Worst peak of a top 10 player?

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Discussion.

[SouBeachTalents]

Duncan or Kobe

[dubeta]

MJ







reportedly only 2 inches at best

[riseagainst]

kobe

[navy]

MJ







reportedly only 2 inches at best
:lebronamazed:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Duncan or Kobe

Kobe is arguable but really Duncan!?

[kamil]

LeBron*

Choked twice in finals. Got bailed out by another Hall of Famer. Only legit ring came at the expense of a premature team.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

MJ







reportedly only 2 inches at best


2/5
2/5
2/5
2/5
2/5
2/5

[riseagainst]

MJ







reportedly only 2 inches at best

:lol

[Prometheus]

Bill Russell

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe is arguable but really Duncan!?

It's like choosing the "ugliest" chick out of a group of supermodels, but I'd say Kobe & Duncan had the weakest peaks out of players in the top 10. What other top 10 player had a worse peak than Duncan?

[RRR3]

LeBron*

Choked twice in finals. Got bailed out by another Hall of Famer. Only legit ring came at the expense of a premature team.
You realize you just called LeBron a top 10 player of all time, right? Knowing you, I doubt that was what you intended, I'm sure you just came in here intending to insult LeBron, but being the buffoon you are, you ended up inadvertently praising him.

[SouBeachTalents]

You realize you just called LeBron a top 10 player of all time, right? Knowing you, I doubt that was what you intended, I'm sure you just came in here intending to insult LeBron, but being the buffoon you are, you ended up inadvertently praising him.

:roll:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

You realize you just called LeBron a top 10 player of all time, right? Knowing you, I doubt that was what you intended, I'm sure you just came in here intending to insult LeBron, but being the buffoon you are, you ended up inadvertently praising him.

That ether :lol

[RRR3]

This thread is going to be hilarious. Kobe haters are going to be tempted to say Kobe, but in doing so will end up praising Kobe as a top 10 GOAT. Same applies to LeBron haters. :lol

[riseagainst]

This thread is going to be hilarious. Kobe haters are going to be tempted to say Kobe, but in doing so will end up praising Kobe as a top 10 GOAT. Same applies to LeBron haters. :lol

:roll:

[Angel Face]

Lebron. Formed a collusion to easily win the title, choked like a fa99ot. Won title in a lock - out season against young Thunder team with low IQ basketball. Ray Allen saved his choking ass in 2013. Pressured to win 3 peat... failed... Checked out in game 1 due to cramps, Chris Bosh carried them in game 2, doesn't have the will to take over after getting blown out by the Spurs, sits himself with 8 minutes remaining in game 5. Forming a collusion part 2 with Love and Irving, wants it easy... again.

2*/5, 1*/5 if not saved by Allen.

[Fudge]

LeBron

[dubeta]

Lebron. Formed a collusion to easily win the title, choked like a fa99ot. Won title in a lock - out season against young Thunder team with low IQ basketball. Ray Allen saved his choking ass in 2013. Pressured to win 3 peat... failed... Checked out in game 1 due to cramps, Chris Bosh carried them in game 2, doesn't have the will to take over after getting blown out by the Spurs, sits himself with 8 minutes remaining in game 5. Forming a collusion part 2 with Love and Irving, wants it easy... again.

2*/5, 1*/5 if not saved by Allen.

1 legit ring and still a top 10 GOAT :applause:

[navy]

This thread is going to be hilarious. Kobe haters are going to be tempted to say Kobe, but in doing so will end up praising Kobe as a top 10 GOAT. Same applies to LeBron haters. :lol
:oldlol:

[stalkerforlife]

Lebron is not top 10.

[oarabbus]

It's like choosing the "ugliest" chick out of a group of supermodels, but I'd say Kobe & Duncan had the weakest peaks out of players in the top 10. What other top 10 player had a worse peak than Duncan?


:roll:


Duncan peaked at 25.5/13/4/3 blocks a game. Shits on lebron.

[riseagainst]

i think the correct answer for either side would be:
"kobe/lebron would be if he was a top 10 player, too bad he is not."

[NBAplayoffs2001]

This thread is going to be hilarious. Kobe haters are going to be tempted to say Kobe, but in doing so will end up praising Kobe as a top 10 GOAT. Same applies to LeBron haters. :lol

I did this on purpose for entertainment purposes

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron. Formed a collusion to easily win the title, choked like a fa99ot. Won title in a lock - out season against young Thunder team with low IQ basketball. Ray Allen saved his choking ass in 2013. Pressured to win 3 peat... failed... Checked out in game 1 due to cramps, Chris Bosh carried them in game 2, doesn't have the will to take over after getting blown out by the Spurs, sits himself with 8 minutes remaining in game 5. Forming a collusion part 2 with Love and Irving, wants it easy... again.

2*/5, 1*/5 if not saved by Allen.

LeBron- 35 & 10 on 64%
Bosh- 18 & 3 on 55%

[Dragic4Life]

MJ







reportedly only 2 inches at best
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Kvnzhangyay]

Lebron is not top 10.

How is the GOAT SF not top 10?


You realize you just called LeBron a top 10 player of all time, right? Knowing you, I doubt that was what you intended, I'm sure you just came in here intending to insult LeBron, but being the buffoon you are, you ended up inadvertently praising him.

:roll: :roll: :lebronamazed: :lebronamazed:

[stalkerforlife]

How is the GOAT SF not top 10?



:roll: :roll: :lebronamazed: :lebronamazed:

Bird is top 10, dumbass.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Bird is top 10, dumbass.

Birds not the goat sf tho :coleman:
Probably didn't even watch Bird

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Birds not the goat sf tho :coleman:
Probably didn't even watch Bird

Bird > LeBron.

50/40/90 when defense actually meant something.

[navy]

:roll:


Duncan peaked at 25.5/13/4/3 blocks a game. Shits on lebron.
:no:

29.7/8.6/7.3/1.6/1 on 60TS%

[stalkerforlife]

Birds not the goat sf tho :coleman:
Probably didn't even watch Bird

I'm not a git like you, boy.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Bird > LeBron.

50/40/90 when defense actually meant something.

If your going to try to bring up stats i'm going to copy paste :facepalm

Larry Bird is an all time great no doubt about it, but how can anyone really choose Larry Bird here?

Larry Bird played 13 NBA seasons, while Lebron is currently on his 11th.

Durability
- Lebron has ONLY missed 39 games in his NBA career, for an average of 3.5 missed games per year
- Bird missed 169 games in his NBA career, an average of 13 missed games per year
- Lebron is a tank who barely misses games, Bird became more injury prone as his career went on

Scoring
- Lebron has a career average of 27.5 points, career TS% of 57.9%, eFG% of 52.8%
- Bird has career averages of 24.3 points, career TS% of 56.4%, eFG% of 51.4%
- Lebron scored more, and he scored more efficiently.

Rebounding
- Lebron has a career average of 7.2 rebounds, with a rebounding % of 10.8
- Bird has career averages of 10 rebounds per game, with a rebounding % of 14.5
- Bird is the better rebounder, grabs more rebounds and grabs a higher % of his teams rebounds as well

Playmaking
- Lebron has career averages of 6.9 assists, 3.3 turnovers, an assist % of 34.3, and a turnover% of 12.2
- Bird has career averaged of 6.3 assists, 3.1 turnovers, an assist % of 24.7, and a turnover% of 12.7
- Lebron wins here

Defense
- Lebron is a five time and counting member of the All NBA Defensive 1st team, and DPOY runner up
- Bird was never named to the first team, was never a DPOY or a DPOY runner up, was better at racking up steals
- Hard one to compare really, but this is Lebron convincingly in my eyes.

Misc
- Lebron has a career PER of 27.7 Vs Bird who has a career PER of 23.5
- Lebrons has a PER of 27.3 in the playoffs Vs Bird who has a PER of 21.4 in the playoffs
- Lebron has made 1000+ 3's on 34% shooting Vs Bird who made 649 on 38% shooting
- Lebron has surpassed Bird in scoring, and assist even though he played 2 less seasons
- Lebron and Bird both have 2 Finals MVP's
- Larry Bird has 3 championships, while Lebron has 2
- Lebron has 4 MVP trophies, while Bird has 3
- Lebron currently has 161.2 win shares total in his career Vs Bird who has 145.8 through 13 NBA seasons

I know I probably left somethings out, but I fail to see how anyone can rank Bird higher than Lebron James. Lebron is doing some legendary stuff out there. This is easily Lebron for me.


I'm not a git like you, boy.

Cmon man don't make it more obvious you never watched Bird. Lost all credibility that you might have been old enough to watch Bird when you said he's better than Lebron :facepalm

[NBAplayoffs2001]

If your going to try to bring up stats i'm going to copy paste :facepalm

Larry Bird is an all time great no doubt about it, but how can anyone really choose Larry Bird here?

Larry Bird played 13 NBA seasons, while Lebron is currently on his 11th.

Durability
- Lebron has ONLY missed 39 games in his NBA career, for an average of 3.5 missed games per year
- Bird missed 169 games in his NBA career, an average of 13 missed games per year
- Lebron is a tank who barely misses games, Bird became more injury prone as his career went on

Scoring
- Lebron has a career average of 27.5 points, career TS% of 57.9%, eFG% of 52.8%
- Bird has career averages of 24.3 points, career TS% of 56.4%, eFG% of 51.4%
- Lebron scored more, and he scored more efficiently.

Rebounding
- Lebron has a career average of 7.2 rebounds, with a rebounding % of 10.8
- Bird has career averages of 10 rebounds per game, with a rebounding % of 14.5
- Bird is the better rebounder, grabs more rebounds and grabs a higher % of his teams rebounds as well

Playmaking
- Lebron has career averages of 6.9 assists, 3.3 turnovers, an assist % of 34.3, and a turnover% of 12.2
- Bird has career averaged of 6.3 assists, 3.1 turnovers, an assist % of 24.7, and a turnover% of 12.7
- Lebron wins here

Defense
- Lebron is a five time and counting member of the All NBA Defensive 1st team, and DPOY runner up
- Bird was never named to the first team, was never a DPOY or a DPOY runner up, was better at racking up steals
- Hard one to compare really, but this is Lebron convincingly in my eyes.

Misc
- Lebron has a career PER of 27.7 Vs Bird who has a career PER of 23.5
- Lebrons has a PER of 27.3 in the playoffs Vs Bird who has a PER of 21.4 in the playoffs
- Lebron has made 1000+ 3's on 34% shooting Vs Bird who made 649 on 38% shooting
- Lebron has surpassed Bird in scoring, and assist even though he played 2 less seasons
- Lebron and Bird both have 2 Finals MVP's
- Larry Bird has 3 championships, while Lebron has 2
- Lebron has 4 MVP trophies, while Bird has 3
- Lebron currently has 161.2 win shares total in his career Vs Bird who has 145.8 through 13 NBA seasons

I know I probably left somethings out, but I fail to see how anyone can rank Bird higher than Lebron James. Lebron is doing some legendary stuff out there. This is easily Lebron for me.

How many finals did LeBron choke away?
I win by default

/discussion

[navy]

How many finals did LeBron choke away?
I win by default

/discussion
Bird lost 7 times with Home Court advantage. Talk about choking. :oldlol:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Bird lost 7 times with Home Court advantage. Talk about choking. :oldlol:

1.8 ppg during the 4th quarter :roll: :roll: :roll:

[kamil]

You realize you just called LeBron a top 10 player of all time, right? Knowing you, I doubt that was what you intended, I'm sure you just came in here intending to insult LeBron, but being the buffoon you are, you ended up inadvertently praising him.

My top 10 differs from most people's... seeing how there's so many of you LeBron* nuthu99ers, you could only accept the comment this way.

But you're right, LeBron* isn't top 10.

[Kvnzhangyay]

How many finals did LeBron choke away?
I win by default

/discussion

How many finals did Bird choke away?

1985 ring a bell?

Cmon man at least watch some Bird games before you talk

[dubeta]

Kobe stans like Bird because they both have sidekick rings

[Nowitness]

hakeem and kobe

[navy]

Off the top of my head, Russel and Magic maybe?

[rhowen4]

definitely bill russell ffs

[Cold soul]

Bill Russell.

[JohnFreeman]

You realize you just called LeBron a top 10 player of all time, right? Knowing you, I doubt that was what you intended, I'm sure you just came in here intending to insult LeBron, but being the buffoon you are, you ended up inadvertently praising him.
:roll:

[LakersDaBEst]

LebetA. ***** been taking his talents evrywhere

[Milbuck]

Bill Russell..

[moe94]

Bird > LeBron.

50/40/90 when defense actually meant something.

The 80s? :lol

[fpliii]

Not one of the bigs...

[zoom17]

You realize you just called LeBron a top 10 player of all time, right? Knowing you, I doubt that was what you intended, I'm sure you just came in here intending to insult LeBron, but being the buffoon you are, you ended up inadvertently praising him.

:roll:

[Marchesk]

Bill Russell's peak is 18.9/23.6/4.5 with maybe 7 blocks a game. Which is the year he won MVP over 50/25 Wilt.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Top 10 being:

Jordan
Russell
Wilt
Shaq
Bird
Magic
Duncan
LeBron
Hakeem


I'd probably say Duncan or Magic...

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The 80s? :lol
on 1 3pa per game...these arbitrary "clubs" like 50/40/90 really man nothing...

[BigTicket]

Obviously Bill Russell

He's in the top 10 because of his amazing defense, his team play, and most importantly all of his titles. However, he was never anywhere near as dominant an offensive player as the rest of the top 10.

He never averaged 20ppg, not once. And when he did score, he wasn't very efficient. His career high is 50% TS, which is frankly awful.

[SexSymbol]

Bill Russell probably has the best peak ever. Best leader, best defender ever by a landslide.

I'd say Magic's peak is not as impressive as others, Wilt probably would be second

[LAZERUSS]

Bill Russell probably has the best peak ever. Best leader, best defender ever by a landslide.

I'd say Magic's peak is not as impressive as others, Wilt probably would be second

Oh, of course. The NBA has a long list of players who have put up 50-25, 45-24, 33-24-5, 24-24-8, and 24-24-9 seasons.
And we have seen many players lead the league in scoring and rebounding, at the same time. He could only do that five times. And how about leading the league in scoring, rebounding, and FG%, at the same time?. Wilt only did it three times. He also led the league in rebounding, FG%, and assists in another...but again, we see players doing that all the time now.

In fact, the man was a laughingstock.

[BigTicket]

Bill Russell's peak is 18.9/23.6/4.5 with maybe 7 blocks a game. Which is the year he won MVP over 50/25 Wilt.

When looking at the stats you should keep in mind that there were on average 67% more rebounds in a game back then compared to the NBA last season. So that 23.6rpg average is the equivalent of 14.0rpg today. Still fantastic, but not as insane as it looks.
Also, noone is averaging 7 blocks per game, just not happening.

So his peak is actually something like 18.9/14*/4.5 with 4-5 blocks per game. Those are amazing numbers, but the rest of the top 10 players have had better seasons than that.

[LAZERUSS]

When looking at the stats you should keep in mind that there were on average 67% more rebounds in a game back then compared to the NBA last season. So that 23.6rpg average is the equivalent of 14.0rpg today. Still fantastic, but not as insane as it looks.
Also, noone is averaging 7 blocks per game, just not happening.

So his peak is actually something like 18.9/14*/4.5 with 4-5 blocks per game. Those are amazing numbers, but the rest of the top 10 players have had better seasons than that.

67% of 23.6 is 15.8 rpg. And don't forget that rebounding totals were at an all-time high in the early 60's. In his 63-64 season, he averaged 24.7 rpg, in an NBA that averaged about 56 rpg (keep in mind that TEAM rebounds were added to team totals..., which has not been the case since after the 67-68 season.) Last year the NBA averaged nearly 43 rpg per team. So Russell's 24.7 rpg in '64 would translate to about to about 18.9 rpg in '14. Granted, Russell is not going to play 44.6 mpg in '14, but even at 40 mpg, he would have still averaged 17 rpg.

[BigTicket]

67% of 23.6 is 15.8 rpg. And don't forget that rebounding totals were at an all-time high in the early 60's. In his 63-64 season, he averaged 24.7 rpg, in an NBA that averaged about 56 rpg (keep in mind that TEAM rebounds were added to team totals..., which has not been the case since after the 67-68 season.) Last year the NBA averaged nearly 43 rpg per team. So Russell's 24.7 rpg in '64 would translate to about to about 18.9 rpg in '14. Granted, Russell is not going to play 44.6 mpg in '14, but even at 40 mpg, he would have still averaged 17 rpg.

No, he would not average 17rpg.

He would average 14-15rpg, similar to peak KG/Dwight.

And while there is no doubt he was a fantastic rebounder, and probably the best defender ever, he is not even top 100 on offense. 19ppg on poor shooting numbers is obviously not that good when comparing to the rest of the top 10.

I'm not saying he's bad by any means, I would love to have someone like him on my team. But this is a comparison to the other top 10 alltime players, and in that comparison Bill Russell comes in last.

[ArbitraryWater]

Well if you got Kobe as top 10, then him... Duncan afterwards.

2003 is 1 year, he didn't really stay at that level very long.


Bill Russell probably has the best peak ever. Best leader, best defender ever by a landslide.

I'd say Magic's peak is not as impressive as others, Wilt probably would be second

Good sir, do you know what "Peak" means?

[T_L_P]

Well if you got Kobe as top 10, then him... Duncan afterwards.

2003 is 1 year, he didn't really stay at that level very long.



Good sir, do you know what "Peak" means?

His peak was 01-03. He was only slightly worse in 02. Much better in the 02 regular season, as a matter of fact. :confusedshrug:

[SexSymbol]

Well if you got Kobe as top 10, then him... Duncan afterwards.

2003 is 1 year, he didn't really stay at that level very long.



Good sir, do you know what "Peak" means?
yes, I do, I just don't value his offense in a same way other poeple do.

Bill wasn't needed to score all the time, and he did when it was needed to.
His leadership and defense are legendary, second to none, so based on those I rank him #1 in peak play. That's just my opinion, I understand that people value different things and probably nobody will agree with me

[pauk]

:oldlol: Absolutely love this thread.... like RRR3 said, its causing literally ALL Lebron butthurtians who are trying to insult Lebron to ALL end up inadvertently praise him.... i mean surely if he has 1*/5 (why* not* 0* of 5* ???**??*) and is a fa99ot who chokes 24-7, has bad hairline, generally just.. dunno... **** him.. etc. etc. he might not be a top 10 player.... but you still mention him? :)

[K Xerxes]

I have Russell, Magic and Kobe at #9, #10 and #11 on my peak list. Not sure about the order...

[SexSymbol]

:oldlol: Absolutely love this thread.... like RRR3 said, its causing literally ALL Lebron butthurtians who are trying to insult Lebron to ALL end up inadvertently praise him.... i mean surely if he has 1*/5 (why* not* 0* of 5* ???**??*) and is a fa99ot who chokes 24-7, has bad hairline, generally just.. dunno... **** him.. etc. etc. he might not be a top 10 player.... but you still mention him? :)
You're gay

[pauk]

You're gay

Prepare ur anus.

[knickswoman]

LeBron*

Choked twice in finals. Got bailed out by another Hall of Famer. Only legit ring came at the expense of a premature team.

OP said top 10

[navy]

Bill Russell probably has the best peak ever. Best leader, best defender ever by a landslide.

I'd say Magic's peak is not as impressive as others, Wilt probably would be second
:biggums:

[moe94]

:biggums:

It's particularly funny that Russell, in his view, has the best peak but Wilt is second to last. I guess that's what rings do for you.

[pauk]

LeBron*

Choked twice in finals. Got bailed out by another Hall of Famer. Only legit ring came at the expense of a premature team.

Meh... even that wasnt legit, it was a premature team afterall, he had only one 30+ pt triple double to + he is a fa99ot and stuff like that so, he is 0* of 5*

Isnt it confirmed he is having like HGH & PED's to? I think so.... so his entire career is *.... he should change his number to " * "..... ? He aint top 10 or 20 or 40 or 80 or 200

[SexSymbol]

Meh... even that wasnt legit, it was a premature team afterall, he had only one 30+ pt triple double to + he is a fa99ot and stuff like that so, he is 0* of 5*

Isnt it confirmed he is having like HGH & PED's to? I think so.... so his entire career is *.... he should change his number to " * "..... ? He aint top 10 or 20 or 40 or 80 or 200
stop crying, c'mon

[SexSymbol]

It's particularly funny that Russell, in his view, has the best peak but Wilt is second to last. I guess that's what rings do for you.
why did you respond to yourself?


wilt was a circus act, his peak is inflated and are empty stats, we all know that.

[tmacattack33]

Can't be Kobe cuz he's not top ten.

And the only peaks I've actually seen are Shaq, Hakeem, and Duncan and those three peaks were amazing so I don't want to say any of them.

So I can't really answer.

[GrapeApe]

As much as I respect him and is great as he was this has to be Bill Russell, no? It's hard to single out the "worst of the best" but in terms of peak individual dominance Russell would probably be my choice.

[Marchesk]

The question is why is scoring the most important stat to consider? Bill Russell is one of the best rebounders and shot blockers of all-time, along with being one of the best passing big men ever.

[f0und]

kobe isnt top ten

[navy]

The question is why is scoring the most important stat to consider? Bill Russell is one of the best rebounders and shot blockers of all-time, along with being one of the best passing big men ever.
Well because Wilt was so dominant it is perceived as easy to score in that era and Russell sucked at it. :confusedshrug:

[GrapeApe]

The question is why is scoring the most important stat to consider? Bill Russell is one of the best rebounders and shot blockers of all-time, along with being one of the best passing big men ever.

This is true but we're talking about peak only. I understand that Russell's impact is hard to quantify. I have him at #3 all time but I think his peak is a hair below the others.

[VIntageNOvel]

Russel Westbrook

[GODbe]

1. Godbe Bryant
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. O'neal
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Duncan
8. Russell
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Moses Malone

I've squeezed in weak era players by default. So that title definitely goes to Bill Russell. Never touched 20ppg his entire career. 15ppg in arguably the weakest era of all time:lol . Horrible.

[riseagainst]

1. Godbe Bryant
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. O'neal
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Duncan
8. Russell
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Moses Malone

I've squeezed in weak era players by default. So that title definitely goes to Bill Russell. Never touched 20ppg his entire career. 15ppg in arguably the weakest era of all time:lol . Horrible.

where's MJ?

:roll: :roll:

[VIntageNOvel]

1. Godbe Bryant
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. O'neal
5. Bird
6. Wilt
7. Duncan
8. Russell
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Moses Malone

I've squeezed in weak era players by default. So that title definitely goes to Bill Russell. Never touched 20ppg his entire career. 15ppg in arguably the weakest era of all time:lol . Horrible.


damn your bait is much stronger than mine

[arifgokcen]

LeBron*

Choked twice in finals. Got bailed out by another Hall of Famer. Only legit ring came at the expense of a premature team.



:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I didnt laugh so hard in a while

[Boarder Patrol]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Do you feel bad talking to yourself with your alts or are you used to it?

[KobeMagic]

right now, it's Bill Russell. But if lebron can somehow sneak into the top 10 with a miracle, he'll take that spot.