Melo's weight loss

[franchize]

Just thought I'd get your thought on this. I think everyone has probably seen the pics by now.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/14/how-carmelo-anthony-lost-all-that-weight/

[Rameek]

Just thought I'd get your thought on this. I think everyone has probably seen the pics by now.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/14/how-carmelo-anthony-lost-all-that-weight/
Now he wants to be a leader?

Now he wants to be in tip top shape?

This has always been one of my strongest gripes with this guy. This is why I never thought of him the way some other fans do. I know the market dictates what a player can make but I never wanted this guy at max money.

I'm so offended and embarrassed and angry by these statements even though its from the trainer but its just facts. What has this guy been since he's been on the roster?

Can anyone justify this guys sentiment?

Maybe I'm too old school to respect this type of player.

[el gringos]

Now he wants to be a leader?

Now he wants to be in tip top shape?

This has always been one of my strongest gripes with this guy. This is why I never thought of him the way some other fans do. I know the market dictates what a player can make but I never wanted this guy at max money.

I'm so offended and embarrassed and angry by these statements even though its from the trainer but its just facts. What has this guy been since he's been on the roster?

Can anyone justify this guys sentiment?

Maybe I'm too old school to respect this type of player. not too old school. Too media gullible. It's the liberal way.

[franchize]

Now he wants to be a leader?

Now he wants to be in tip top shape?

This has always been one of my strongest gripes with this guy. This is why I never thought of him the way some other fans do. I know the market dictates what a player can make but I never wanted this guy at max money.

I'm so offended and embarrassed and angry by these statements even though its from the trainer but its just facts. What has this guy been since he's been on the roster?

Can anyone justify this guys sentiment?

Maybe I'm too old school to respect this type of player.

#1 It's from the trainer.
#2 Was he not in shape last year? He lost weight last offseason as well. He did play more minutes per game than any other player in the league.

[knickscity]

I'll give him the chance to erase alot of my thoughts of him by being the player his skillset entails.

The weight loss is meh to me, he's done it before, I'm more conerned in how he plays.

A more efficient, quicker decision making Melo is a better player.....better for him individually and the team itself.

He's on the verge of being the highest paid NBA player really soon, it needs to translate on the court as well.

I have no doubts he'll try to set the tone, I want to see him continue to do it when the team isnt winning games as well. thats when leadership is tested.

[insidehoops]

The new Carmelo Anthony wants to be the consummate leader this season. And according to his trainer, that

[Rameek]

#1 It's from the trainer.
#2 Was he not in shape last year? He lost weight last offseason as well. He did play more minutes per game than any other player in the league.
I said its from his trainer...????

You dont think Melo said this to his trainer or implied it? You think this some made up story?

[smoovegittar]

Could it be that he finally has a peer in Phil Jackson? Phil did say he believed Melo had "another gear".

I'm glad he got his money. I like the kid; we could have done much worse
I think he will surprise some people this season.

The weight loss will help in preventing injuries.

[franchize]

I'm just not understanding how, the one guy who actually had a productive year and played on an allstar level, loses even more weight to try and improve despite being a veteran....and that's a bad thing. :confusedshrug:

I sat and watched Tyson Chandler not add ANYTHING to is game and tried to fool people by shooting a few jumpshots in the beginning of the season.

I watched fat ass Raymond Felton get bigger and bigger and bigger.

Honestly, outside of Shumpert's jumpshot, I can't remember the last time a Knick not named Carmelo added anything significant to their game. To me, this showed leadership. Not "look at me in the camera being a rah rah guy" leadership. It shows "lead by example" leadership. This is also coupled with the team bonding he did when he brought the young fellaz to PR with him for his charity event. Something he also did last year.

[smoovegittar]

I'm just not understanding how, the one guy who actually had a productive year and played on an allstar level, loses even more weight to try and improve despite being a veteran....and that's a bad thing. :confusedshrug:

I sat and watched Tyson Chandler not add ANYTHING to is game and tried to fool people by shooting a few jumpshots in the beginning of the season.

I watched fat ass Raymond Felton get bigger and bigger and bigger.

Honestly, outside of Shumpert's jumpshot, I can't remember the last time a Knick not named Carmelo added anything significant to their game. To me, this showed leadership. Not "look at me in the camera being a rah rah guy" leadership. It shows "lead by example" leadership. This is also coupled with the team bonding he did when he brought the young fellaz to PR with him for his charity event. Something he also did last year.

We have some good players in my estimation. They have not been properly coached, nor have they had a solid direction in place. This team gets dumped on all the time because it has been mis-managed to death. It's why I get a little hot in the main forums - if the new coach with his boss gets the max out of these dudes come playing time, we're not going to be a joke anymore.

I dig what you said about Chandler's "jumper". Where DID that go come playing time. I won't forgive that cat for quitting mid-season.

[Rameek]

I'm just not understanding how, the one guy who actually had a productive year and played on an allstar level, loses even more weight to try and improve despite being a veteran....and that's a bad thing. :confusedshrug:

I sat and watched Tyson Chandler not add ANYTHING to is game and tried to fool people by shooting a few jumpshots in the beginning of the season.

I watched fat ass Raymond Felton get bigger and bigger and bigger.

Honestly, outside of Shumpert's jumpshot, I can't remember the last time a Knick not named Carmelo added anything significant to their game. To me, this showed leadership. Not "look at me in the camera being a rah rah guy" leadership. It shows "lead by example" leadership. This is also coupled with the team bonding he did when he brought the young fellaz to PR with him for his charity event. Something he also did last year.
So basically everything you typed has nothing to do with anything I wrote really.

Subject Matter Reminder:

MELO'S Leadership

MELO getting in Shape

I'm not talking about other players. Dont bring other players in this topic because they arent the highest paid player on the team. They are not considered the franchise player. You wouldnt think mentioning Durant, Kobe, LBJ etc etc in comparison to Melo then dont bring in the other players.


We have some good players in my estimation. They have not been properly coached, nor have they had a solid direction in place. This team gets dumped on all the time because it has been mis-managed to death. It's why I get a little hot in the main forums - if the new coach with his boss gets the max out of these dudes come playing time, we're not going to be a joke anymore.

I dig what you said about Chandler's "jumper". Where DID that go come playing time. I won't forgive that cat for quitting mid-season.

I dont think we can say we have good players per say, outside of Melo what players on the Knicks would start for half of the other NBA teams in the league?

I totally get how bad coaching and terrible teammates can bring Melo's production and effectiveness down. Thats a reasonable assertion.

None of this really has to do with his leadership or getting into shape.

[franchize]

So basically everything you typed has nothing to do with anything I wrote really.

Subject Matter Reminder:

MELO'S Leadership

MELO getting in Shape

I'm not talking about other players. Dont bring other players in this topic because they arent the highest paid player on the team. They are not considered the franchise player. You wouldnt think mentioning Durant, Kobe, LBJ etc etc in comparison to Melo then dont bring in the other players.



I dont think we can say we have good players per say, outside of Melo what players on the Knicks would start for half of the other NBA teams in the league?

I totally get how bad coaching and terrible teammates can bring Melo's production and effectiveness down. Thats a reasonable assertion.

None of this really has to do with his leadership or getting into shape.
:oldlol: How are you gonna remind me of the subject matter when I startd the thread?

And Amare is the highest paid player on the team until the season starts :confusedshrug:

Furthermore, if nothing I said had anything to do with what you said, as you suggested, then how did you figure I was responding to you? I didn't quote you or anything, so obviously......ah nvm.

[Rameek]

:oldlol: How are you gonna remind me of the subject matter when I startd the thread?

And Amare is the highest paid player on the team until the season starts :confusedshrug:

Furthermore, if nothing I said had anything to do with what you said, as you suggested, then how did you figure I was responding to you? I didn't quote you or anything, so obviously......ah nvm.
Because you replied specifically to what I said.... Not your great and wonderful start of a thread :lol

Like I said I know it came from the trainer so there is some truth to it and its probably something that was said innocently but for me....

I never believed he exhibited leadership nor do I believe he did everything he could to be great physically. This does not mean he wasnt a leader in the locker room because I'm not there nor anyone else posting here. HOWEVER, you can tell by the actions of other players in most situations who is listened to and respected.

He has logged the most minutes last year always top 5 probably since being with the Knicks. He was playing out of position. These things I know but that does not mean he was in top peak shape. I even can give his 4th quarter inefficiency and 0-12 game winning/tying shots (I think thats what it was for 2014.)

This statement article confirms 1 of my biggest gripes with being the MAX paid player on the Knicks. Its what I want to see as a fan. Hold teammates accountable, get this team on your back, quote Melo first and let the other players tote that line, get in the other players a$$ especially his a$$hole bestie JR.

[franchize]

So I guess this is a bad time to remind you that LeBron and D Wade lost weight as well? :oldlol:

I don't know. I just see things differently. I'm about people holding themselves accountable. If a guy sucks, I'm not about to say "hey the max player on the team isn't a leader. He should be "making everyone better." I'm going to say "dude...you suck." I know I'm in the minority in that mindset but I think you get paid big bucks to be a big time player. I personally think leadership in the NBA is overblown and a cop out to role players who don't aggressively work on their games in the offseason. These are grown men. They get checks as well. I can't speak for you, but I don't even make the league minimum at my job. Nobody should have to get on you for you to do what you get paid for.

As for his 4th quarter efficiency, it needs to improve. BUT....let's not act like Mike Woodson ever hand any competent offensive gameplanning late in games. Every time it was "here Melo....dribble the clock down and go one on 4." Before Mike Woodson, Melo NEVER had any issues making clutch baskets. Agreed?

[Rameek]

So I guess this is a bad time to remind you that LeBron and D Wade lost weight as well? :oldlol:

I don't know. I just see things differently. I'm about people holding themselves accountable. If a guy sucks, I'm not about to say "hey the max player on the team isn't a leader. He should be "making everyone better." I'm going to say "dude...you suck." I know I'm in the minority in that mindset but I think you get paid big bucks to be a big time player. I personally think leadership in the NBA is overblown and a cop out to role players who don't aggressively work on their games in the offseason. These are grown men. They get checks as well. I can't speak for you, but I don't even make the league minimum at my job. Nobody should have to get on you for you to do what you get paid for.

As for his 4th quarter efficiency, it needs to improve. BUT....let's not act like Mike Woodson ever hand any competent offensive gameplanning late in games. Every time it was "here Melo....dribble the clock down and go one on 4." Before Mike Woodson, Melo NEVER had any issues making clutch baskets. Agreed?
So you there isnt any stock in leadership and holding other teammates accountable?

So what is a franchise player then?

[knickscity]

I'd like to adress some of this as well...


So I guess this is a bad time to remind you that LeBron and D Wade lost weight as well? :oldlol:

No one is complaining about his weight loss, from what I'm reading some think it could be positive, one is merely questioning how it relates to leadership and why take this stance so late in his career.

But in my opinion, as I said before....he has a clean slate, but we'll see if it matter. Personally to me it doesnt, but we'll see.


I don't know. I just see things differently. I'm about people holding themselves accountable. If a guy sucks, I'm not about to say "hey the max player on the team isn't a leader. He should be "making everyone better." I'm going to say "dude...you suck." I know I'm in the minority in that mindset but I think you get paid big bucks to be a big time player.

Based on this portion I'd gather you relate a persons performance by their pay.....feel free to correct me if wrong.

The only players being paid big time bucks was Amare and Melo. I noticed you complained earlier about Felton, do you consider his salary of under 4 mil each season "big time bucks"? Thats below average for a starting point guard, and Felton was below average for a starting point guard, and shouldnt have been one at that point in his career. You get what you pay for.

But he also has had some measure of success. The team during the 54 win season looks totally out of synce without Felton as nobody could run the point at all and the record in his absence shows this.

Even with Tyson, his salary is pretty much what good centers would get, and regardless of opinion Tyson is viewed as a good center and he has the accolades in his current contract to prove so. DPOY, Allstar appearances which was a coaches pick, 1st team NBA defense.....all achieved undeer his current contract, never achieved prior to.

Has he played up to how he is viewed? No always and not enough imo, but now that he is gone I wouldnt be surprised if he does play better in Dallas, even Felton. Carlisle seems to have that effect.


I personally think leadership in the NBA is overblown and a cop out to role players who don't aggressively work on their games in the offseason. These are grown men. They get checks as well. I can't speak for you, but I don't even make the league minimum at my job. Nobody should have to get on you for you to do what you get paid for.

There is a reason why they are called role players, and to assert that players no matter what their skills are dont work on their games is being really distasteful. The ones who dont usually arent in the league very long.

It really seems you want the role player to CARRY the top paid players, but that isnt their job. They are a support.

Think of it like a house. Melo would be the foundation....safe to say if something goes wrong with him the house is in great danger. Role players are studs holding walls, beams, bricks, roofing...things that arent gonna destroy the house itself if 1) maintained properly 2) addressed when repair/replace is needed. bottom line no matter what support a team has if it's best players providing the foundation the team wont prosper.

Last year imo every single player has their hand on that awful season, nobody "shined", they all stunk based on their individual capabilities.

As far as leaders go, your highest paid players SHOULD be leaders and to not hold them accountable to that standard really makes no sense at all. Melo by this report seems to embrace that role now, so apprently he agrees as well that he SHOULD be a leader of the team. never too late imo.


As for his 4th quarter efficiency, it needs to improve. BUT....let's not act like Mike Woodson ever hand any competent offensive gameplanning late in games. Every time it was "here Melo....dribble the clock down and go one on 4." Before Mike Woodson, Melo NEVER had any issues making clutch baskets. Agreed?
He needs to improve in the clutch and in late game situations....I'm sure we all agree there.

Melo has actually made clutch buckets under Woodson as well and he has accomplished things with Woodson he never did before...such as his scoring title and being second in MVP voting during the 54 win season, so even though issues may have come up, good things also did as well.

I'm sure Woodson has no issue taking some credit and some blame in those areas as he certainly affected all of those outcomes.

[Rameek]

The absence of leadership leads to statements like this :facepalm

I have so much anger right now I cant put it in words.

[QUOTE][B]J.R. Smith, with no hint of sarcasm, aims to

[franchize]

1. As I said before, this isn't the first time he's lost weight.

2. No I don't relate a player's performance to their pay but I do expect a smart GM to ensure those things are congruent. Additionally, until this year, I never complained about Felton much. There's documented proof that my stance on Felton has always been that, while I don't like him much, he's a middle of the road PG making middle of the road money. My issue with Felton is when he began playing WORSE than even that. I can tolerate you not being that good. I can't tolerate you progressively getting worse.

3. I've said time and time again I could care less about what accolades Chandler gets. My stance will ALWAYS be that he's undeserving of DPOY and any allstar nods. He's garbage. He's arguably the most overrated player in the NBA and everything I predicted would eventually happen to him as a Knick came true. Beyond Chandler being garbage, he doesn't improve; which is infuriating.

4. I never said role players don't work on their game. That's ridiculous. I complained that OUR role players don't improve from summer to summer. Iman Shumpert has. His jumpshot mechanics; particularly his form, has shown improvement. I haven't seen the same out of a lot of our other guys.

5. I do think there is a lack of leadership in our locker room but I don't agree that it's on the highest paid guy to hold everyone else accountable. Guys should be holding themselves accountable. Be a professional. I mean seriously. You get paid to play basketball. PAID TO PLAY BASKETBALL! It's a huge pet peeve for me. Everyone can't be a star player but everyone try to maximize their own talent (injuries permitting). You shouldn't have to have another player tell you that. This is why I support Phil in the acquisition of guys like Quincy Acy.

[knickscity]

I guess I just come from a different era.....your BEST players were the leaders and there was rarely any doubt of such. Now stars can just get theirs, think they did their job and thats all required. Utter nonsense. If Melo is true to these words, then he truly "gets it".

Felton was in a situation I hope I never face. A pending divorce from his wife of 1 year, and she ratted him out to the police on a gun charge that common folks serve years in jail for. The fact he could actually suit up and play he actually has my respect even more even though he certainly played terrible. Normal folks would likely get fired with a pending gun charge

Not even sure what role players were expected to work on their games....most of our role players have been on 1 year contracts and the others were up in age. We didnt even have a drafted player other than Shumpert as they were traded, so there was no one TO develop as the Knicks basically had traded all of their picks. Role players are what they are...they serve roles. Even Tyson was a role player, in which stars of the teams he has played for love the guy such as Chris Paul and Dirk and his coaches as well. As far as his accomplishments whether he desrve them or not, the same panels and coaches who could have given it to anyone gave it to him, and he recieved them as a Knick which is alright with me.

Could he have played better? Absolutely, but so could every other member of the Knicks and apprently even Melo recognizes this....as he should.

[Rameek]

Franchize I cant believe what you're saying. Its the most puzzling thing in the world.

Every team especially winning teams have franchise players and they are the leaders of the team.

For you to say professional athletes lead themselves and develop themselves is far from FACTS!.

[el gringos]

The absence of leadership leads to statements like this :facepalm

I have so much anger right now I cant put it in words.
You are way too emotional to be unbiased. The thought of JR, bargnani, or Carmelo gets you so fired up that you get all over the place.

[Rameek]

You are way too emotional to be unbiased. The thought of JR, bargnani, or Carmelo gets you so fired up that you get all over the place.
Not sure you know what biased means....


If Melo was a leader then this fool wouldnt be talking this nonsense. When Stat was healthy he showed leadership, when Chandler tried to be a leader they shut him down.

If this is Melo's team as the franchise player he should step up.

[smoovegittar]

The leader of this "new" group is Fisher. Melo is the leader on the floor. I do wish some of you would discard any notions of what happened last year, as we are in a new direction. Last year nobody wanted the reigns as the group was divided as hell, no thanks to Chandler, Felton, Woody, J.R. and Melo either not trying or not knowing what to do. Sure, there will probably be a slight hangover at first. But I don't think Phil will suffer fools lightly.

[franchize]

Not sure you know what biased means....


If Melo was a leader then this fool wouldnt be talking this nonsense. When Stat was healthy he showed leadership, when Chandler tried to be a leader they shut him down.

If this is Melo's team as the franchise player he should step up.
Amare was a leader? You mean the same guy who dropped a documentary about himself on the eve of a playoff series in which he was missing for yet another injury? You mean the guy who took a self imposed day of rest during during a playoff run despite being cleared by team doctors? You mean the guy who's preached continuously about being back to Allstar level rather than what the Knicks as a team will accomplish? Oh him.

You're saying "NOW he wants to do all this" basically insinuating he hasn't done it before. However, this is not the first time he's lost weight in the offseason. Not the first time he's bonded with his team in PR at his charity event. Not his first time he's had private workouts in the offseason with JR, Shumpert and others. So is he really not at all a leader or is he not a guy who throws his "leadership" in the medias face all the time? I'm not impressed by rah rah guys who appear to be leaders on TV but then don't live up to expectations their damn selves. I'll take quiet production over a vocal underachiever any day of the week.

[Rameek]

I did say when healthy... Weight loss means jack crap IMHO. I dont care about it obviously you keep harping on that. Getting in the best shape and losing weight are 2 different things.

Well you can take that quiet "hypothetical" leadership and give me a real franchise player who the other teammates will follow.

This isnt a coaches league anymore its a players league. There are but a handful of coaches that are leaders of men. But they depend upon a player(s) to be the voice in the locker room and on the court.

When your team lacks leadership and direction on all levels of course you dont win. But if you are the franchise player then IMHO you have to control the locker room and the floor. You can beg to differ but without that franchise leader you wont win. You get NUMBSKULLZ like JR spouting off nonsense. This dude needs a real reality check he needs his reigns pulled in.


Amare was a leader? You mean the same guy who dropped a documentary about himself on the eve of a playoff series in which he was missing for yet another injury? You mean the guy who took a self imposed day of rest during during a playoff run despite being cleared by team doctors? You mean the guy who's preached continuously about being back to Allstar level rather than what the Knicks as a team will accomplish? Oh him.

You're saying "NOW he wants to do all this" basically insinuating he hasn't done it before. However, this is not the first time he's lost weight in the offseason. Not the first time he's bonded with his team in PR at his charity event. Not his first time he's had private workouts in the offseason with JR, Shumpert and others. So is he really not at all a leader or is he not a guy who throws his "leadership" in the medias face all the time? I'm not impressed by rah rah guys who appear to be leaders on TV but then don't live up to expectations their damn selves. I'll take quiet production over a vocal underachiever any day of the week.

[franchize]

I'm harping on it? :oldlol: I mentioned his weight loss in this thread and you went on a tirade about how he lacks leadership. Maybe Gringos is right after all. Way too emotional lol

[Rameek]

I'm harping on it? :oldlol: I mentioned his weight loss in this thread and you went on a tirade about how he lacks leadership. Maybe Gringos is right after all. Way too emotional lol
The article mentioned it.

I am not too emotional but I am obviously angry that this guy after 4 years wants to be a leader. After 4 years he wants to get in the best shape of his career.

IMHO a 20 plus million dollar player should have been these things from (22) jump street.

[Rameek]

I will concede this. The Front Office allowed Melo to get away with this...

No one should allow JR to get away with his statement.

[franchize]

The article mentioned it.

I am not too emotional but I am obviously angry that this guy after 4 years wants to be a leader. After 4 years he wants to get in the best shape of his career.

IMHO a 20 plus million dollar player should have been these things from (22) jump street.
But everything I mentioned, he's done before. You just chose not to recognize it lol Apparently you're definition of being a leader entails telling the media "I wanna be a leader."

You strike me as the guy who'll take appreciate the guy doing a ribbon cutting for a community center on TV over the guy who paid for it lol

[franchize]

You know what, never mind. You win. I'll never get how this is a bad thing so we'll be going in circle arguing back n forth for nothing.

[Rameek]

You know what, never mind. You win. I'll never get how this is a bad thing so we'll be going in circle arguing back n forth for nothing.
It isnt a bad thing NOW but why wasnt he these things BEFORE?

Not into the rah rah guy but you can see this team lacked leadership except for the 1 year the team won 54 games.

[el gringos]

I will concede this. The Front Office allowed Melo to get away with this...

No one should allow JR to get away with his statement.
You are throwing a fit over the teams second best player mentioning that he'd like to lead by example more and about the teams best players trainer talking up his guy.


You do this why? Because you personally dislike those two players. Maybe I don't know what the word biased is- but I do know delusional and you are that. It's delusional to believe that until you've read something it isn't possible to be real. "This is the first time I read a Carmelo/leadership article." "How disgusting that there was no leadership article 3 years ago" "he didn't care about leadership 3 years ago?" "What nerve". "And JR? He wants to be out there doing the right thin fame showing some of his younger and less experienced teammates the way?" But rameek doesn't like you JR- you can't want to get better- ramneek said you can't.

[franchize]

It isnt a bad thing NOW but why wasnt he these things BEFORE?

Not into the rah rah guy but you can see this team lacked leadership except for the 1 year the team won 54 games.

Except he did...which is what I've been saying the whole time

And I could also see this team lacked talent and a competent general manager.

[Rameek]

JR can not control himself. I have no issue with him FINALLY trying to be a professional. But I dont need him to lead he needs to learn how to follow first.

I dont personally like or dislike anyone. I'm not a fan of individuals generally. I follow my team.

Ive always questioned Melo's leadership. This isnt new.

I dont think Melo gave us everything he has. I hope this is the year we see his everything.

I guarantee Zen and Fish will bring this out of him.


You are throwing a fit over the teams second best player mentioning that he'd like to lead by example more and about the teams best players trainer talking up his guy.


You do this why? Because you personally dislike those two players. Maybe I don't know what the word biased is- but I do know delusional and you are that. It's delusional to believe that until you've read something it isn't possible to be real. "This is the first time I read a Carmelo/leadership article." "How disgusting that there was no leadership article 3 years ago" "he didn't care about leadership 3 years ago?" "What nerve". "And JR? He wants to be out there doing the right thin fame showing some of his younger and less experienced teammates the way?" But rameek doesn't like you JR- you can't want to get better- ramneek said you can't.

[franchize]

Well I hope so too because what he's given us far has been pretty damn good in my opinion. So if he can get even better, kudos to Fish n Phil.

And yes...I think we can all agree JR is very talented but very idiotic as well. I personally don't want to hear about him leading or following. Actions speak louder than words and quite frankly I'm done hearing his mouth.