Ferguson police say Michael Brown fit description of strong-arm robbery suspect

[longhornfan1234]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/15/ferguson-police-say-michael-brown-fit-description-strong-arm-robbery-suspect/



Michael is wearing the same hat as the dude in the strong-armed stills, appears to have a big build like the guy, and same vicinity within minutes.

[Akrazotile]

But he was going to college NEXT WEEK bro. Didnt you heard? I thought the media did a lovely job of hammering that info home.


Not sure how you could possibly think he did anything wrong. He was about to start at COLLEGE.



NEXT WEEK.

[longhornfan1234]

But he was going to college NEXT WEEK.


Not sure how you could possibly think he did anything wrong.


Thugs can still go to college.

[kentatm]

:rolleyes:

possibly stole cigars ehh?

so clearly the answer is to shoot a guy who is no longer a threat to do harm to the cop w/a gun

[Godzuki]

:rolleyes:

possibly stole cigars ehh?

so clearly the answer is to shoot a guy who is no longer a threat to do harm to the cop w/a gun


....never owning up :facepalm

[Akrazotile]

Thugs can still go to college.


Thats a lie.


Clearly a young man about to go to college is incapable of criminal acts or starting a violent altercation with police. That gives the story a much greater angle of injustice, and all the white knights will come a runnin with a soapbox under their arms. And THATS what we call #makingthetruth


This was a black kid who was about to go to COLLEGE.




NEXT WEEK.


The injustice and the brutality is astounding, smh. Because this kid was about to go to college. Fukcing unacceptable.

[kentatm]

....never owning up :facepalm

:roll:

do you even understand why the protests happened?

its not just that a black guy was shot.

it was that he was shot when wasn't a threat to the officer in front of witnesses and then the cops idiotically refused to release any info on the situation.

then when people protested 5-0 went way overboard with their response and made the situation 10 times worse.

[niko]

Unless he had super powers or was about to detonate a bomb he wasn't a threat running from the cops that you shoot him in the back. He wasn't someone who had such a reputation as a danger (that the cops would know) that shooting him in the back was the safer and better option.

[Akrazotile]

....never owning up :facepalm


This.


Cmon kentatm. Youre gonna pull somethin the way youre gonna end up reachin on this one. Dont need any white knights here. Just wait for all the info to come out and whatever it is, lets call it that and not anything else.

[longhornfan1234]

:rolleyes:

possibly stole cigars ehh?

so clearly the answer is to shoot a guy who is no longer a threat to do harm to the cop w/a gun



You act like cops are Mossad agents and highly trained... incapable of being subjected to human emotion... such as fear. Has anyone ever been confronted by someone when they are sitting in their vehicle? There's not a more helpless feeling in the world. This cop probably makes $45k per year and is a cop for a small town in Missouri... a state I can't even find on a map. Yes... they're given huge amounts of authority, and with that comes responsibility. But if this guy was attacked.... I wouldn't be able to send him to prison because he fired an extra shot when this kid who was attacking him four seconds earlier may have thrown his hands up.

If this kid truly did go and attack a police officer... you don't just get to decide when that fight is over

[Akrazotile]

Unless he had super powers or was about to detonate a bomb he wasn't a threat running from the cops that you shoot him in the back. He wasn't someone who had such a reputation as a danger (that the cops would know) that shooting him in the back was the safer and better option.


Its all going to depend on what exactly happened during the first altercation. If he WAS attempting to assault the cop before the first shot was fired, then yes he is legally considered a threat to do it again.

You want this cop to try and peacefully subdue a 6'4 300 pound suspect who already attacked him once? Youre dreaming and need to accept reality.

Lets wait for all the facts but the more that comes out, the more the series of events seems to fit.

[niko]

You act like cops are Mossad agents and highly trained... incapable of being subjected to human emotion... such as fear. Has anyone ever been confronted by someone when they are sitting in their vehicle? There's not a more helpless feeling in the world. This cop probably makes $45k per year and is a cop for a small town in Missouri... a state I can't even find on a map. Yes... they're given huge amounts of authority, and with that comes responsibility. But if this guy was attacked.... I wouldn't be able to send him to prison because he fired an extra shot when this kid who was attacking him four seconds earlier may have thrown his hands up.

If this kid truly did go and attack a police officer... you don't just get to decide when that fight is over

The cops have rules against that kind of behavior. Clearly written down rules of engagement. You're right, we don't get to decide when the fight is over, the rules cops follow do, and they were broken. :confusedshrug:

[niko]

Its all going to depend on what exactly happened during the first altercation. If he WAS attempting to assault the cop before the first shot was fired, then yes he is legally considered a threat to do it again.

You want this cop to try and peacefully subdue a 6'4 300 pound suspect who already attacked him once? Youre dreaming and need to accept reality.

Lets wait for all the facts but the more that comes out, the more the series of events seems to fit.

You can't gun down people from behind running away unless there's a real overriding reason to do so. Once you start the "but what if there is " then essentially you are admitting more than likely it's the wrong thing to do.

[ihoopallday]

It doesn't matter if he robbed a bank. There still isn't justification to kill.

[Akrazotile]

You can't gun down people from behind running away unless there's a real overriding reason to do so. Once you start the "but what if there is " then essentially you are admitting more than likely it's the wrong thing to do.


I dont know if you saw some of the posts in the other thread but actually yes, the supreme court has ruled that deadly force can be used in situations of pursuit like this. The details will determine if this incident meets the criteria but based on the convenience store evidence and the reports of a physical altercation with the cop, why would you doubt it?

[longhornfan1234]

The cops have rules against that kind of behavior. Clearly written down rules of engagement. You're right, we don't get to decide when the fight is over, the rules cops follow do, and they were broken. :confusedshrug:



The only time a cop can shoot a suspect that's running away is if the cop believes the suspect will pose a threat to those around if he gets away. The cop felt Mike posed a threat... which is understandable if Brown had just assaulted him/tried to take his gun and strong armed someone at a store.

[dude77]

possibly stole cigars ehh?




strong arm robbery .. then he attacked the cop .. he was showing a clear pattern of violence on top of being a wanted suspect

[kentatm]

You act like cops are Mossad agents and highly trained... incapable of being subjected to human emotion... such as fear. Has anyone ever been confronted by someone when they are sitting in their vehicle? There's not a more helpless feeling in the world. This cop probably makes $45k per year and is a cop for a small town in Missouri... a state I can't even find on a map. Yes... they're given huge amounts of authority, and with that comes responsibility. But if this guy was attacked.... I wouldn't be able to send him to prison because he fired an extra shot when this kid who was attacking him four seconds earlier may have thrown his hands up.

If this kid truly did go and attack a police officer... you don't just get to decide when that fight is over

:facepalm

So if a person is running away from from a cop its ok to shoot them? That's what this is ultimately about. Its not that the guy may or may not have been bad. Its that he was not a threat at the time of the shooting. He was running away and the cop shot him anyway. That isn't a threat that the cop needed to use his gun for. That's something you call in so officers in the area can help you pursue him.




This.

Cmon kentatm. Youre gonna pull somethin the way youre gonna end up reachin on this one. Dont need any white knights here. Just wait for all the info to come out and whatever it is, lets call it that and not anything else.

this isn't white knighting. I'm not saying the guy is some cherub that did nothing wrong.

I just don't think its appropriate for a cop to shoot a fleeing suspect. Pure and simple.


and like I said, the protests happened not b/c the cops capped a black dude but b/c it happened in front of people who saw him fleeing and then the cops refused to give info on the situation.

There is clearly a distrust that previously existed between the residents and police of Ferguson and their refusal to be more forthcoming early on was like pouring gas on a kitchen fire.

[kentatm]

strong arm robbery .. then he attacked the cop .. he was showing a clear pattern of violence on top of being a wanted suspect


I dont care.

I do not think a cop should be allowed to shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect.

[dude77]

I dont care.

I do not think a cop should be allowed to shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect.

I agree for certain suspects .. not for wanted violent suspects though .. and the law is behind the officer ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner

[KevinNYC]

You act like cops are Mossad agents and highly trained... incapable of being subjected to human emotion... such as fear. Has anyone ever been confronted by someone when they are sitting in their vehicle? There's not a more helpless feeling in the world. This cop probably makes $45k per year and is a cop for a small town in Missouri... a state I can't even find on a map. Yes... they're given huge amounts of authority, and with that comes responsibility. But if this guy was attacked.... I wouldn't be able to send him to prison because he fired an extra shot when this kid who was attacking him four seconds earlier may have thrown his hands up.

If this kid truly did go and attack a police officer... you don't just get to decide when that fight is over

Wow this is just a mess of stupid. If you're a cop in cop car, you feel helpless when confronted?

How does your knowledge of geography matter?

Extra shot? What about the second extra shot? And the third?

[QUOTE]After offering updates in news conferences in the days after the shooting, police largely stopped providing new details. Authorities repeatedly declined to say how many times Brown was shot or where on his body he was struck. St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar di[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/15/ferguson-police-releasing-name-of-officer-who-shot-michael-brown/"]d say Brown was hit

[longhornfan1234]

:facepalm

So if a person is running away from from a cop its ok to shoot them? That's what this is ultimately about. Its not that the guy may or may not have been bad. Its that he was not a threat at the time of the shooting. He was running away and the cop shot him anyway. That isn't a threat that the cop needed to use his gun for. That's something you call in so officers in the area can help you pursue him.






:biggums:

Cop has a right to shoot someone if he believes Michael is a threat to others around. He committed strong arm robbery and assaulted a cop and tried to take his gun.

[Akrazotile]

:facepalm

So if a person is running away from from a cop its ok to shoot them? That's what this is ultimately about. Its not that the guy may or may not have been bad. Its that he was not a threat at the time of the shooting. He was running away and the cop shot him anyway. That isn't a threat that the cop needed to use his gun for. That's something you call in so officers in the area can help you pursue him.




A white officer just casually following this guy around through a black neighborhood on foot until his help can arrive is asking for the officer to be jumped/sniped.


You're looking at this through ideological glasses instead of practical ones. This kid robbed a convenience store and assaulted a clerk. When he was approached by an officer, he assaulted the officer. Then he decided to flee. He is now a danger, and he is now a target. That officer has to either be safe, or potentially sorry. He chose to be safe and IF those ultimately prove to be the facts in this case, I'm not going to condemn him.

[Godzuki]

:roll:

do you even understand why the protests happened?

its not just that a black guy was shot.

it was that he was shot when wasn't a threat to the officer in front of witnesses and then the cops idiotically refused to release any info on the situation.

then when people protested 5-0 went way overboard with their response and made the situation 10 times worse.


no, they happened based on a story of events from his 'friend' that they wre doing nothing but minding their own business, then a cop pulls up and grabs his friend, then starts shooting him for no reason.

then the protests happen, while rioting occurs.... looting stores, molotov cocktails, etc....then there is more social media outrage over police using fear tactics to disperse the crowd and get things under control.

meanwhile this Michael Brown kid was being painted as a saint...like usual :rolleyes: didn't hear one bad thing about him, despite his 'friend' the #1 witness having gang tats all over his body.

now we find out he stole cigars from a store....which isn't so bad....UNTIL we see the clips and this dude is shaking down the store clerk lifting him off the ground looking like some mafioso strong arming a business. i don't know what petty criminals you've seen do that but that shit is above and beyond a petty thief.

now NONE of u admit to anything changing since the initial outcry and story from his best friend...."just stole cigars"....LOL nope, not like he just stole gum when the clerk wasn't looking, this mf'er is a sorry fukkin hoodlum who deserved to be shot. maybe not killed but definitely shot. i don't see shakedowns like that other than in mafia movies and shit.

like i said OWN UP....but none of ya'll ever do :confusedshrug:

[KevinNYC]

A white officer just casually following this guy around through a black neighborhood on foot until his help can arrive is asking for the officer to be jumped/sniped.


You're looking at this through ideological glasses instead of practical ones. This kid robbed a convenience store and assaulted a clerk. When he was approached by an officer, he assaulted the officer. Then he decided to flee. He is now a danger, and he is now a target. That officer has to either be safe, or potentially sorry. He chose to be safe and IF those ultimately prove to be the facts in this case, I'm not going to condemn him.
And you are looking at this clear-eyed? Good lord.

Also to follow your logic, they would have to fire the white cops on the force and replace them with black ones.

[longhornfan1234]

Wow this is just a mess of stupid. If you're a cop in cop car, you feel helpless when confronted?

How does your knowledge of geography matter?

Extra shot? What about the second extra shot? And the third?
A cop vehicle is a safe haven for a police officer. Yeah... a cop expects a guy to attack him and try to take his gun. Go take a nap, Kevin. :lol

[nathanjizzle]

It doesn't matter if he robbed a bank. There still isn't justification to kill.

why are you trying to make this point when its irrelevant? cop shot the kid because cop was being assaulted in his own patrol car. the robbery testifies to the character of the "victim". chocking out an old guy?

will wait and see what is real and what is not.

[Akrazotile]

And you are looking at this clear-eyed? Good lord.

Also to follow your logic, they would have to fire the white cops on the force and replace them with black ones.


After this initial reports I said on this board it looked like a horrible misdeed by the cop if the reports were true, however I was skeptical that the early information was complete and accurate.

Now the info is emerging piece by piece and a reassessment is in order. I don't have an agenda other than examining this objectively. YOU on the other hand are already determined to stick to your narrative no matter what.

YOu and other people here see this as a battle between the side you're usually on (pro little guy, pro minority, pro individual-can-do-no-harm etc.) vs. the other side (the mean racist republican jerks). So you're gonna stick to your narrative because to abandon it would give credence to the other side and weaken your position in future arguments.


I'm not on a side. Just looking at this practically and drawing conclusions based on what the evidence says and the realities of society. I'll call it what it is, you'll call it what you want it to be.

[Oly BC]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/15/ferguson-police-say-michael-brown-fit-description-strong-arm-robbery-suspect/



Michael is wearing the same hat as the dude in the strong-armed stills, appears to have a big build like the guy, and same vicinity within minutes.
He fit the description of young black male, wide nose, weird hair, rapper looking.

[dude77]

meek and mild, teddy bear mikey brown


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2725917/Ferguson-police-Officer-Darren-Wilson-cop-shot-dead-unarmed-teenager-Michael-Brown.html

[Godzuki]

After this initial reports I said on this board it looked like a horrible misdeed by the cop if the reports were true, however I was skeptical that the early information was complete and accurate.

Now the info is emerging piece by piece and a reassessment is in order. I don't have an agenda other than examining this objectively. YOU on the other hand are already determined to stick to your narrative no matter what.

YOu and other people here see this as a battle between the side you're usually on (pro little guy, pro minority, pro individual-can-do-no-harm etc.) vs. the other side (the mean racist republican jerks). So you're gonna stick to your narrative because to abandon it would give credence to the other side and weaken your position going forward.


I'm not on a side. Just looking at this practically and drawing conclusions based on what the evidence says and the realities of society. I'll call it what it is, you'll call it what you want it to be.


this is how i was too. people can even check my initial posts but i was thinking the cop definitely was in the wrong and sounded "guilty as fukk"....

but now i'm changing all of that. new evidence sheds things in a WHOLE different light.

Its just funny to me how biased some people here are playing the race card, pretending nothings changed, etc. etc. painting the police in the worst possible light, not even the guy that shot him but ALL of the police generalizing them....while not owning up how wrong the initial story they've run with, and overreated to prematurely, likely is....

just a ton of hypocrisy and double standards but i swear thats ghetto black people these days. its really a mentality of excuses and blaming but never owning up to anything ever being their fault. damn i must be racist :hammerhead:

[Akrazotile]

meek and mild, teddy bear mikey brown


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2725917/Ferguson-police-Officer-Darren-Wilson-cop-shot-dead-unarmed-teenager-Michael-Brown.html



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/15/1408116703761_wps_6_image001_png.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/15/1408114155109_wps_1_michael_brown_cop_muzzed_.jpg



Looking considerably meeker in the second pic.

[dude77]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/15/1408116703761_wps_6_image001_png.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/15/1408114155109_wps_1_michael_brown_cop_muzzed_.jpg



Looking considerably meeker in the second pic.


:oldlol:

[dude77]

watch that video .. 'meek and mild mikey brown' showing no regard for a man's business .. intimidating, physically assaulting the owner and robbing his store .. yet this is the type of degenerate blacks prop up .. why ? .. why don't blacks make such a ruckus over people who can really make a difference and positively influence them .. I bet you half of the black population don't know wtf neil degrasse tyson or ben carson are

[MavsSuperFan]

I dont care.

I do not think a cop should be allowed to shoot an unarmed fleeing suspect.
I tend to agree with you, unless the guy is a child molester, murder, rapist, crippled someone or something on that level. The cops shouldnt be killing all but the worst criminals.

To me a lot of this situation comes down to what brown did to the cop and if he tried to take the gun or not. If it cant be proven that brown did something egregious, than the cop is in trouble.

[MavsSuperFan]

I agree for certain suspects .. not for wanted violent suspects though .. and the law is behind the officer ..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner
wow that is a little messed up that the SCOTUS ruled that way.


Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)[1], was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may use deadly force only to prevent escape if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

[QUOTE]At about 10:45 p.m. on October 3, 1974, Memphis Police Department Officers Leslie Wright and Elton Hymon were dispatched to answer a burglary call next door. Officer Hymon went behind the house as his partner radioed back to the station. Hymon witnessed someone running across the yard. The fleeing suspect, Edward Garner, stopped at a 6-foot-high (1.8 m) chain-link fence. Using his flashlight, Hymon could see Garner's face and hands, and was reasonably sure that Garner was unarmed. The police testified that they believed Garner was 17 or 18 years old; Garner was in fact 15 years old. After Hymon ordered Garner to halt, Garner began to climb the fence. Believing that Garner would certainly flee if he made it over the fence, Hymon shot him. The bullet struck Garner in the back of the head, and he died shortly after an ambulance took him to a nearby hospital. Ten dollars and a purse taken from the burglarized house were found on his body.

Hymon acted according to a Tennessee state statute and official Memphis Police Department policy authorizing deadly force against a fleeing suspect. The statute provided that "if, after notice of the intention to arrest the defendant, he either flee or forcibly resist, the officer may use all the necessary means to effect the arrest."

Garner's father then brought suit in the United States District Court for the Western District of Tennessee under the Civil Rights Act of 1871, 42 U.S.C.

[Riley Martin]

I'm okay with the supreme court ruling that an officer can use deadly force on a suspect running away to prevent further harm to others.

But if the suspect has stopped moving and has his hands raised in a clear surrender, I don't think deadly force should be allowed. Unless he starts running again, deadly force isn't necessary. The officer should attempt to cuff him.

[MavsSuperFan]

I'm okay with the supreme court ruling that an officer can use deadly force on a suspect running away to prevent further harm to others.

But if the suspect has stopped moving and has his hands raised in a clear surrender, I don't think deadly force should be allowed. Unless he starts running again, deadly force isn't necessary. The officer should attempt to cuff him.
thats a good point. according to brown's friend and another witness brown surrendered at the end. Hopefully there is definitive proof one way or the other.

[christian1923]

That fat black guy in NY got killed by the NYPD not to Long too. Cops are out of control lately

[Akrazotile]

I'm okay with the supreme court ruling that an officer can use deadly force on a suspect running away to prevent further harm to others.

But if the suspect has stopped moving and has his hands raised in a clear surrender, I don't think deadly force should be allowed. Unless he starts running again, deadly force isn't necessary. The officer should attempt to cuff him.


I agree in a perfect world that's how it would work, but in this world that guy was 6'4 and 300 pounds and had already assaulted the cop once. Why should the cop take the risk of approaching him and trying to handcuff him again? If the guy gets him in some kind of hold he could squeeze the life out of him.

The cop's adrenaline is now RUSHING after he was attacked and had to fire his weapon. I don't think people here are really relating to that. This criminal just put your life in danger and forced you to chase him through a dangerous neighborhood, and now you're asking the cop to just casually holster that weapon and stroll up sayin "hey big fella, do you mind givin me your arm real quick? im sorry to have to do this but i gotta take you down to the station just for a few questions. again, im so sorry."

The cop had no backup, and had to subdue a violent suspect twice his size. Get real here people.

Maybe there was a safer logical alternative that it's easier for us to sit here at the computer to come up with in hindsight, but he was PROVOKED in real time by an idiot potentially threatening his life. It's unfortunate but this is the real world not the fairy world. SOMETIMES this stuff happens. And it's not a "cop" issue, it's not a "race" issue, it's a human issue.

[longtime lurker]

The ISH league of racists are reaching on this one. Seems like you're still mad your boy sterling lost his team. Doesn't matter if he stole from a store Mike browns not on trial here. If he had his hands up in surrender as 3 witnesses described then he was no longer a threat. 2nd degree murder

[32jazz]

:rolleyes:

possibly stole cigars ehh?

so clearly the answer is to shoot a guy who is no longer a threat to do harm to the cop w/a gun


St. Louis County Chief John Belmar(?) says that 2 men were told to take the sidewalk & 1 man complied. The other shoved the Cop back into the car as he got out to confront.


Not that it matters ,but what were the 2 men stopped for? Robbery suspects or Jaywalking?

[Akrazotile]

The ISH league of racists are reaching on this one. Seems like you're still mad your boy sterling lost his team. Doesn't matter if he stole from a store Mike browns not on trial here. If he had his hands up in surrender as 3 witnesses described then he was no longer a threat. 2nd degree murder


weak bait, 0/10 on the gimmick

[Akrazotile]

St. Louis County Chief John Belmar(?) says that 2 men were told to take the sidewalk & 1 man complied. The other shoved the Cop back into the car as he got out to confront.


Not that it matters ,but what were the 2 men stopped for? Robbery suspects or Jaywalking?


I'm assuming he was first asking them to move to the sidewalk so that it would be safer to approach them about the robbery incident. You know, instead of doing it in the middle of a road cars drive on.

[Godzuki]

That fat black guy in NY got killed by the NYPD not to Long too. Cops are out of control lately


he didn't purposely try to kill him, and the fat guy resisted arrest. shit would never have happened if he didn't resist...but a lot of these tragedies people resist.

its stupid tho how nobody ever owns up to the resisting arrest part, only how the cops are killing people exaggerations :facepalm

[Godzuki]

The ISH league of racists are reaching on this one. Seems like you're still mad your boy sterling lost his team. Doesn't matter if he stole from a store Mike browns not on trial here. If he had his hands up in surrender as 3 witnesses described then he was no longer a threat. 2nd degree murder


still playing the race card for people being straight up. you're a sorry mf'er :facepalm

[32jazz]

I'm assuming he was first asking them to move to the sidewalk so that it would be safer to approach them about the robbery incident. You know, instead of doing it in the middle of a road cars drive on.

Belmar just did an interview & never mentioned a robbery, just told the guys to get out of the street.

I don't need an answer from trolls like you ,however. Just announced another press conference at 3:00 et.



UPDATE: Officer knew nothing about any robbery according to Chief Jackson & stopped suspect because of Jaywalking

[dude77]

Classic strategy: murder a guy then paint him as a criminal after the fact when he has no chance to defend himself. Nothing new to see here.

he was a criminal

[KNOW1EDGE]

Please post his rap sheet so we can examine his extensive criminal history.

I'm curious to see this as well.

Also curious, if someone has a criminal history, does that mean Police can shoot and kill them?

[dude77]

Please post his rap sheet so we can examine his extensive criminal history.

didn't see the video I take it ?

[Raymone]

Please post his rap sheet so we can examine his extensive criminal history.

Crime: robbing and assaulting a store clerk.
Date: moments before he resisted and possibly assaulted the cop and/or reached for his gun.

[longhornfan1234]

Michael pretty much thought he was being taken down for the robbery, the cop didn't know about the robbery. The cop had to be surprised Michael fought him and tried to take his gun.

[dude77]

this is a biased account of course, but if this is how it went down then this is open and shut .. and she's proclaiming he wasn't shot in the back as the 'witnesses' have been saying and ballistics will show it .. gets more interesting ..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzBdY6WXeRE

[west_tip]

Is it really a smear campaign though?

If Mike Brown was indeed the person depicted threatening a convenience store owner and stealing cigars just 10 minutes prior to the shooting surely that is pertinent to this case?

Its not like they released footage of him from five years ago.

[Raymone]

Stealing a pack of ridiculous priced swisher sweets = "strong armed robbery". Gotcha
Correct. When you use force to take or retain property that isn't yours, it becomes robbery. No longer is it simply shoplifting when force is used. Cry over the laws, if you'd like.


Holding your hands up and being shot in the back = Assault. Gotcha
That's how it allegedly ended. You're forgetting what allegedly happened prior to that. Namely the struggle with a police officer in or near his patrol car and a resisting of arrest.

[dude77]

Stealing a pack of ridiculous priced swisher sweets = "strong armed robbery". Gotcha

Holding your hands up and being shot in the back = Assault. Gotcha

But hey, it's not a cop's fault. Maybe if Brown weren't such a criminal and didn't cheat on that 6th grade math test, or dressed more "properly", he would still be alive, right?

lol way to downplay a serious crime .. he didn't just 'steal' it .. he assaulted the clerk in order to steal it .. big difference .. and from what I hear that's a 2nd degree felony in missouri

[dude77]

his friend says mike brown wasn't shot in the back .. if this is true, those eyewitnesses lose all credibility .. so that'll be huge whatever it turns out to be

[KevinNYC]

Is it really a smear campaign though?

If Mike Brown was indeed the person depicted threatening a convenience store owner and stealing cigars just 10 minutes prior to the shooting surely that is pertinent to this case?

Its not like they released footage of him from five years ago.
The police released this footage today, but also said that the cop who shot him really didn't know anything about what happened at the store and that had nothing to do with this incident. So we're back to jaywalking.[QUOTE]Ferguson police chief: Encounter between officer and Michael Brown did not relate to robbery

The Ferguson police chief said Friday afternoon that the initial contact between an officer and Michael Brown, which ended with Brown shot dead, was not connected to a robbery that had occurred shortly before Brown was killed.

[west_tip]

The police released this footage today, but also said that the cop who shot him really didn't know anything about what happened at the store and that had nothing to do with this incident. So we're back to jaywalking.

The footage gives us an insight into what Brown had been doing just prior to his death, what his state of mind was and how he was behaving.

It is quite clearly pertinent to the case whether the officer was aware of the robbery or not.

[KevinNYC]

:roll:
this is a biased account of course, but if this is how it went down then this is open and shut .. and she's proclaiming he wasn't shot in the back as the 'witnesses' have been saying and ballistics will show it .. gets more interesting ..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzBdY6WXeRE:roll:

[rezznor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0mVn0HH6U

this guy!

[KevinNYC]

The footage gives us an insight into what Brown had been doing just prior to his death, what his state of mind was and how he was behaving.

It is quite clearly pertinent to the case whether the officer was aware of the robbery or not.

What happened at the shooting site will be pertinent. Nothing that happened at the store will explain why 9 shots were fired.

[ace23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f0mVn0HH6U

truth
Lmao that underbite. Uncle Tom ass *****

[dude77]

so I'm guessing daryl parks and ben crump are the new al sharpton and jesse jackson ? the torch has been passed :oldlol:

[dude77]

:roll: :roll:

if it comes out that he wasn't shot in the back as she is claiming, y'all are the ones who are going to have shit all over your faces lol .. and those witnesses will lose any and all credibility .. so lets wait and see

[dude77]

he just brought up charles mason and saddam again lol

[dude77]

Lmao that underbite. Uncle Tom ass *****

successful black guy who has no problems with the police = uncle tom ass *****

interpretation: this negro goes completely against our victim based agenda .. gotta call him out

[rezznor]

successful black guy who has no problems with the police = uncle tom ass *****

interpretation: this negro goes completely against our victim based agenda .. gotta call him out
yup i guess being a productive member of society means you aren't black enough

[NumberSix]

this is how i was too. people can even check my initial posts but i was thinking the cop definitely was in the wrong and sounded "guilty as fukk"....

but now i'm changing all of that. new evidence sheds things in a WHOLE different light.

Its just funny to me how biased some people here are playing the race card, pretending nothings changed, etc. etc. painting the police in the worst possible light, not even the guy that shot him but ALL of the police generalizing them....while not owning up how wrong the initial story they've run with, and overreated to prematurely, likely is....

just a ton of hypocrisy and double standards but i swear thats ghetto black people these days. its really a mentality of excuses and blaming but never owning up to anything ever being their fault. damn i must be racist :hammerhead:
My stance the entire time has been..... "stop pretending that you KNOW what happened. We don't. Maybe it was justified, maybe it wasn't. We simply don't know. There's not enough information yet".

I've learned from the Zimmerman case. I was positive by the way it was being framed that Zimmerman hunted down some innocent kid and murdered him for nothing. I've learned from that. I'll never jump to conclusions again.

[west_tip]

What happened at the shooting site will be pertinent. Nothing that happened at the store will explain why 9 shots were fired.

Look here, you're just being obtuse.

In this case like every other of its ilk the events/timeline leading up to the death will be examined and debated at great length and will be considered relevant to what occurred between the officer and Brown. These type of situations evolve rather than happening spontaneously and there is every chance looking at the tape that Brown may have been uncooperative and aggressive in his demeanor toward the officer.

[qrich]

The police released this footage today, but also said that the cop who shot him really didn't know anything about what happened at the store and that had nothing to do with this incident. So we're back to jaywalking.

From the officers point of view, yes, it is back down to jaywalking.

For Brown, however, the robbery is vital, as he was most likely paranoid, leading to the hostility towards the officer.

[KevinNYC]

if it comes out that he wasn't shot in the back as she is claiming, y'all are the ones who are going to have shit all over your faces lol .. and those witnesses will lose any and all credibility .. so lets wait and see
Twice in the back, mutliple times in the front. I'm going with 9 shots all together, 8 of which hit him.

You can put your money on a third-hand self-serving story phoned into a right-wing radio show.

[ace23]

successful black guy who has no problems with the police = uncle tom ass *****

interpretation: this negro goes completely against our victim based agenda .. gotta call him out
I'm not in support of people rioting, but he's attempting to oversimplify a complex issue, then broadcasting that oversimplification to sheep who will see his skin color and figure he knows what he's talking about. I don't care how successful he is. He's a clown.

[dude77]

I'm not in support of people rioting, but he's attempting to oversimplify a complex issue, then broadcasting that oversimplification to sheep who will see his skin color and figure he knows what he's talking about. I don't care how successful he is. He's a clown.

lol he's talking about cutting out all the victim minded nonsense and making your own world work .. and he's right .. you should be agreeing .. he's acting like a strong b̶l̶a̶c̶k̶ man .. you're too comfortable in your little victim bubble so you're not hearing any of that .. you wanna be coddled some more while crying about police brutality and how you're oppressed

[MavsSuperFan]

Classic strategy: murder a guy then paint him as a criminal after the fact when he has no chance to defend himself. Nothing new to see here.
:biggums: :biggums:
Maybe he was murdered and it was excessive force, but how can you act like he is being painted as a criminal?

Mike brown walked into a convenience, stole stuff and while trying to get away the clerk confronted him and he physically tossed aside an older man half his size. He threatened the clerk for trying to stop him from stealing...

People need to stop acting like Mike brown was some great human being. Dude is 18 years old and he is already using violence to rob stores. 99% of people go their whole lives without robbing a store. its not that hard.


Is it really a smear campaign though?

If Mike Brown was indeed the person depicted threatening a convenience store owner and stealing cigars just 10 minutes prior to the shooting surely that is pertinent to this case?

Its not like they released footage of him from five years ago.
The truth is never a smear campaign. Telling lies = smear campaign.

[MavsSuperFan]

What happened at the shooting site will be pertinent. Nothing that happened at the store will explain why 9 shots were fired.
mostly agree that what happened at the store isn't pertinent, except:

1. it shows brown's character and willingness to use violence.
2. it discredits his friend that is a witness.

[longtime lurker]

:biggums: :biggums:
Maybe he was murdered and it was excessive force, but how can you act like he is being painted as a criminal?

Mike brown walked into a convenience, stole stuff and while trying to get away the clerk confronted him and he physically tossed aside an older man half his size. He threatened the clerk for trying to stop him from stealing...
Lance signed
People need to stop acting like Mike brown was some great human being. Dude is 18 years old and he is already using violence to rob stores.


The truth is never a smear campaign. Telling lies = smear campaign.

It's called poisoning the well. Instead of focusing on the shooter now the victim is on trial. Great way to taint the jury pool. This will be used as justification to kill an unarmed man when the focus should be on why the cop didn't do his damn job. Mike Brown could have been the biggest piece if shit on earth all releasing the video does is give a justification for his death.

[NumberSix]

It's called poisoning the well. Instead of focusing on the shooter now the victim is on trial. Great way to taint the jury pool. This will be used as justification to kill an unarmed man when the focus should be on why the cop didn't do his damn job. Mike Brown could have been the biggest piece if shit on earth all releasing the video does is give a justification for his death.
Right, because if there was a video 10 minutes before the shooting of the cop talking about what worthless pieces of shit n*ggers are, you would be in here saying "oh no, that's totally irrelevant. Don't poison the well."


:rolleyes:

[MavsSuperFan]

It's called poisoning the well. Instead of focusing on the shooter now the victim is on trial. Great way to taint the jury pool. This will be used as justification to kill an unarmed man when the focus should be on why the cop didn't do his damn job. Mike Brown could have been the biggest piece if shit on earth all releasing the video does is give a justification for his death.
im still pretty sure the cop gets convicted for shooting brown, because there seems to be a lot of testimony that brown surrendered.

But people need to stop pretending like brown was this amazing person.

Also the video does show that brown is capable of violence and that his friend and him aren't the meek students, that would never attack anyone, as they were initially portrayed.

[NumberSix]

im still pretty sure the cop gets convicted for shooting brown, because there seems to be a lot of testimony that brown surrendered.

But people need to stop pretending like brown was this amazing person.

Also the video does show that brown is capable of violence and that his friend and him aren't the meek students, that would never attack anyone, as they were initially portrayed.
There hasn't been testimony.

And to my knowledge, it hasn't even been released how many times or where exactly he was shot.

[MavsSuperFan]

There hasn't been testimony.

And to my knowledge, it hasn't even been released how many times or where exactly he was shot.
there are witnesses that are saying that brown put up his hands and surrendered.

[NumberSix]

there are witnesses that are saying that brown put up his hands and surrendered.
Ok, so?

What they are saying might be true and it might not be.


If memory serves me correct, when witnesses were saying they saw Trayvon Martin bashing George Zimmerman's head in, witnesses weren't all that credible. Suddenly the word of a witness is gospel. Even if a witness is a criminal who has a vested interest in lying about what happened.


Is it possible that the story of him being shot with his hands up is true? Yes. It's also possible that it isn't true. I don't know what you're acting like it's a proven fact they it definitely happened that way.

[Jello]

Brown was a thug and the eyewitnesses were probably thugs as well. There is no doubt in my mind that Brown used violence against the police officer and the eyewitnesses are lying.

[Godzuki]

there are witnesses that are saying that brown put up his hands and surrendered.


how many witnesses are saying that? just curious.

outside of his best friend.

has anyone managed to dig up the girl who recorded it, cell phone footage? you'd think she's posted it online already....police excessive force and all which should be a smoking gun.

[Riley Martin]

Now the Chief of Police is saying that the officer saw stolen cigars.

This is a mess. Did the officer know about the robbery or not when he approached Brown?

[dude77]

from what I've heard, he didn't know about the robbery when he came upon them, then he got the call about the incident and description and realized meek and mild mikey brown resembled the suspect

[Miranda]

Damn, it's Trayvon all over again. From angel to thug in 0-24 hours. :facepalm

[Godzuki]

from what I've heard, he didn't know about the robbery when he came upon them, then he got the call about the incident and description and realized meek and mild mikey brown resembled the suspect


that makes sense. corroborates the drive by and roll back in witness reports. i'm sure at least some of their stories are true.

i'd also guess someone else mentioning this is where MBrown panicked, went at the cop, and then ran....obviously not definitive but guessing which we're allowed to do here :pimp:

[GOBB]

Gotta love the resident racist scumbag dude77.

[Godzuki]

Gotta love the resident racist scumbag dude77.


he ain't racist, just honest and blunt without the political correctness everyone expects from people these days.

[Akrazotile]

Now the Chief of Police is saying that the officer saw stolen cigars.

This is a mess. Did the officer know about the robbery or not when he approached Brown?


As bad as the deceased's credibility looks, the police have been awful sketch throughout this as well.

Definitely a mess.

[Godzuki]

It's always the same people who are "looking for the truth" but are really just against the black person in every case. Comical.


you could also say that about the ones always looking to blame 'the man' for all of their inequities in life, despite being in a better situation than any immigrant.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Gotta love the resident racist scumbag dude77.

Finally we agree on something Gobb.

I honestly fail to understand why people think it is ever ok for a police officer to shoot and kill unarmed people. Why do they have tazers?

Even if thus kid turns out to be a gang member with a criminal history, that doesn't give Police the green light to shoot and kill

[Meticode]

Finally we agree on something Gobb.

I honestly fail to understand why people think it is ever ok for a police officer to shoot and kill unarmed people.
Not saying this is the case in the Brown situation, but in Cincinnati in 2001 a cop shot and killed a 19 year old during a on foot chase because when the cop confronted him he reached to pull up his baggy/saggy pants and the cop thought he was going for a weapon.

You need to listen to cops and not run and make movements that provoke such things.

Again, not stating this is what happened in Ferguson, but I'm sure there are a lot of shootings that occur because people don't listen to the orders given by police, they run and make movements that make the officers feel uncomfortable or fearful. They're trained and I get it, but they're human fearing for their lives like anyone else.

In this case, even if unarmed and they reach for something and get shot, it's okay to me. If I have a burglar in my home and I have a gun pointed at him and he makes a movement that makes it look like he's going for something I'm going to shoot his ass.

[NumberSix]

Finally we agree on something Gobb.

I honestly fail to understand why people think it is ever ok for a police officer to shoot and kill unarmed people. Why do they have tazers?

Even if thus kid turns out to be a gang member with a criminal history, that doesn't give Police the green light to shoot and kill
Just because he's black doesn't mean the shooting wasn't justified.

Every time a black person gets killed by a non black person everybody loses their shit and assumes it was an unjustified racially motivated murder even without any information. Nobody even considers that this kid might have done something wrong that lead to his own death.

Maybe it was justifiable, maybe it wasn't. I don't know. Anyone who acts like they do know is an agenda driven tool.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I feel you guys Meticode and 6.

Cops have a tough job, you never know what someone is reaching for, every traffic stop can be life or death.

I just hate seeing young people killed when it could have been avoided. Use your tazer. If it was a white man dressed in a suit he wouldn't be dead. But it was a young black male, so the cops reach for their gun instead of simply using their words or reaching for a taxer. Shoot first ask questions later.

I don't like the race wars tho.

[mehyaM24]

its always the SAME posters pulling the race card.

the fact "michael brown" was black is purely coincidence. it should have no bearing on this discussion or these irrational "riots". but it does. and ill never understand why.

[stalkerforlife]

Looks like Mr. Brown wasn't such an upstanding citizen, eh?

He didn't deserve to be shot for that particular incident, but if he's willing to do that, what else could he have done? No one knows, since there is no video evidence. Seemingly, he was very capable of being abusive and uncaring towards the law and people.

Things look a little different now.

[JohnFreeman]

In Australia, one cop would have been sent out :oldlol:

[KNOW1EDGE]

its always the SAME posters pulling the race card.

the fact "michael brown" was black is purely coincidence. it should have no bearing on this discussion or these irrational "riots". but it does. and ill never understand why.

I agree, it shouldn't be about race.

It should be about the fact that an innocent young man was killed for no legit reason.

The problem is, a white man wearing a suit wouldn't have been shot and killed, so it REALLY is a racial issu, even if my fellow white Americans want to deny i

[Akrazotile]

I agree, it shouldn't be about race.

It should be about the fact that an innocent young man was killed for no legit reason.

The problem is, a white man wearing a suit wouldn't have been shot and killed, so it REALLY is a racial issu, even if my fellow white Americans want to deny i


:roll:

:facepalm


Throws in "in a suit" to give his race card more credibility. How often does ANY man in a suit assault a police officer and flee? But yeah, those white guys, always wearin suits, always getting away with instigating contact with an officer.


You sound absolutely ridiculous.

[KNOW1EDGE]

:roll:

:facepalm


Throws in "in a suit" to give his race card more credibility. How often does ANY man in a suit assault a police officer and flee? But yeah, those white guys, always wearin suits, always getting away with instigating contact with an officer.


You sound absolutely ridiculous.

You are having trouble with basic comprehension. I'm not going to explain it any further. You don't understand basic concepts and comparisons. You don't understand racism. It's ok. There are a lot of arrogant and ignorant people who share your sentiment.

[mehyaM24]

You are having trouble with basic comprehension. I'm not going to explain it any further. You don't understand basic concepts and comparisons. You don't understand racism. It's ok. There are a lot of arrogant and ignorant people who share your sentiment.

honestly i think you're doing this purposely. which is insane for even the worst trolls.

why would you quote my post and make an sbusrd comparison to a white guy in a ****ing suit? seriously grab a clue.

[Akrazotile]

You are having trouble with basic comprehension. I'm not going to explain it any further. You don't understand basic concepts and comparisons. You don't understand racism. It's ok. There are a lot of arrogant and ignorant people who share your sentiment.


You know this could easily happen to a white guy. So you attach "in a suit" so that you're able to still use a white guy as a valid example of not being gunned down. Even though anyone in a suit is extremely unlikely to be in this circumstance, you made sure you conflated the two descriptives to make it sound like a white guy could never be done like this.

That's called buffoonery bro, don't be mad for getting called out on it.

[chazzy]

this is a biased account of course, but if this is how it went down then this is open and shut .. and she's proclaiming he wasn't shot in the back as the 'witnesses' have been saying and ballistics will show it .. gets more interesting ..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzBdY6WXeRE
This is ridiculous :oldlol: Clearly a story to make the officer appear as innocent as possible

I have yet to see a plausible reason for him getting shot that far away, with his arms allegedly up in surrender. Even if he reached for the gun (which is a CLASSIC excuse for shooting an unarmed person), there isn't a justifiable reason to shoot someone in that position.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Are you guys slow or just f*cking with me?

[MavsSuperFan]

Finally we agree on something Gobb.

I honestly fail to understand why people think it is ever ok for a police officer to shoot and kill unarmed people. Why do they have tazers?

Even if thus kid turns out to be a gang member with a criminal history, that doesn't give Police the green light to shoot and kill
Personally I am only ok with an officer killing an unarmed suspect for these following reasons:

1. the suspect is assaulting the officer and the officer needs to get the suspect to stop.
2. the suspect is trying to take the officer's weapon
3. the suspect has committed a heinous crime (eg. murder, rape, child molestation, torture, severe assault, crippling a person, locking someone in a room for a long time, etc) and is running away and might get away.

I disagree with the Supreme Court of the US that cops can use deadly force on a fleeing unarmed suspect for burglarizing a home and other purely property based crime.


Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)[1], was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may use deadly force only to prevent escape if the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner

Personally even I (who consider myself very anti criminal) think that is excessive. As i said earlier I wouldnt want deadly force to be used on fleeing suspects in all but the most egregious of cases (brown didnt do anything close to that imo). But the SCOTUS's rulings can only be overruled with a constitutional amendment

I think this case will come down to whether the prosecutors can get the jury to believe brown surrendered. If the prosecutors can they will convict the cop of murder. If the defense can create reasonable doubt that brown surrendered I am not sure of the outcome.

[MavsSuperFan]

Personally I am only ok with an officer killing an unarmed suspect for these following reasons:

1. the suspect is assaulting the officer and the officer needs to get the suspect to stop.
2. the suspect is trying to take the officer's weapon
3. the suspect has committed a heinous crime (eg. murder, rape, child molestation, torture, severe assault, crippling a person, locking someone in a room for a long time, etc) and is running away and might get away.

I disagree with the Supreme Court of the US that cops can use deadly force on a fleeing unarmed suspect for burglarizing a home and other purely property based crime.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner

Personally even I (who consider myself very anti criminal) think that is excessive. As i said earlier I wouldnt want deadly force to be used on fleeing suspects in all but the most egregious of cases (brown didnt do anything close to that imo). But the SCOTUS's rulings can only be overruled with a constitutional amendment

I think this case will come down to whether the prosecutors can get the jury to believe brown surrendered. If the prosecutors can they will convict the cop of murder. If the defense can create reasonable doubt that brown surrendered I am not sure of the outcome.
You know what i misread that article and upon reading it the supreme court ruled against the officers :lol my bad.

[MavsSuperFan]

wow that is a little messed up that the SCOTUS ruled that way.







cop killed an unarmed 15 year old (court ruled the cop knew he was unarmed) for running away from a burglary.
And the SCOTUS upheld the cops right to do so.

Personally I would have ruled against the cop in this case, as I feel cops should only be allowed to shoot fleeing suspects for heinous crimes.
Misread the wiki article, SCOTUS ruled against the cops for killing the teen. my bad

[NumberSix]

Personally I am only ok with an officer killing an unarmed suspect for these following reasons:

1. the suspect is assaulting the officer and the officer needs to get the suspect to stop.
2. the suspect is trying to take the officer's weapon
3. the suspect has committed a heinous crime (eg. murder, rape, child molestation, torture, severe assault, crippling a person, locking someone in a room for a long time, etc) and is running away and might get away.

I disagree with the Supreme Court of the US that cops can use deadly force on a fleeing unarmed suspect for burglarizing a home and other purely property based crime.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner

Personally even I (who consider myself very anti criminal) think that is excessive. As i said earlier I wouldnt want deadly force to be used on fleeing suspects in all but the most egregious of cases (brown didnt do anything close to that imo). But the SCOTUS's rulings can only be overruled with a constitutional amendment

I think this case will come down to whether the prosecutors can get the jury to believe brown surrendered. If the prosecutors can they will convict the cop of murder. If the defense can create reasonable doubt that brown surrendered I am not sure of the outcome.
The problem with the whole "unarmed" argument is that you don't know he's unarmed until you search him.

If some guy is running away, you don't know that he isn't going to pull out a weapon and take some citizen hostage. Even if a guy just reaches down to pull up his pants, the cop doesn't KNOW that the guy is unarmed. He doesn't know if the guy is reaching down for a weapon or not.

Best thing to do when dealing with the police is set your ego aside and just do what they say. You get to walk away alive. Is you really believe your rights are being violated, report that afterwards but first just listen to the police and leave with your life.

[Riley Martin]

This cop should hire Mark O'Mara to defend him if this goes to trial. That guy is a master defense attorney. Not sure about that bald old guy that assisted him on the Zimmerman defense team though.

[KevinNYC]

The problem with the whole "unarmed" argument is that you don't know he's unarmed until you search him.


So shoot first? That brings a whole 'nother set of problems with it.

[NumberSix]

So shoot first? That brings a whole 'nother set of problems with it.
No, that's not the point. If a guy makes a move that looks like he might be going for a weapon, you don't actually know that he doesn't have a weapon. Unless you're saying you should actually wait to see the weapon, you never know until you search the person.

[JohnFreeman]

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/treboros

[masonanddixon]

:rolleyes:

possibly stole cigars ehh?

so clearly the answer is to shoot a guy who is no longer a threat to do harm to the cop w/a gun

How many slaves did your ancestors own for you to be such a self-loathing bleeding heart liberal white boy living in Texas of all places?

You're a very sad person.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Whenever I deal with the Police I am scared, I know they could end my life for no reason and get away with it. That's why I try my best to be very respectful, I def don't reach in my pockets or make any sudden movements towards an officer. But I know that for the most part, if I am respectful and don't do any thing stupid the Police may be a$$holes but they arent going to unlawfully arrest or kill me. I'm white though and I don't know what it's like for black males.

I don't know what this young man did to get shot. There is no proof. The officer says the young man was attempting to get the officers gun. Bystanders say the victim had his hands in the air at the time of the shooting.

[NumberSix]

Whenever I deal with the Police I am scared, I know they could end my life for no reason and get away with it. That's why I try my best to be very respectful, I def don't reach in my pockets or make any sudden movements towards an officer. But I know that for the most part, if I am respectful and don't do any thing stupid the Police may be a$$holes but they arent going to unlawfully arrest or kill me. I'm white though and I don't know what it's like for black males.

I don't know what this young man did to get shot. There is no proof. The officer says the young man was attempting to get the officers gun. Bystanders say the victim had his hands in the air at the time of the shooting.
This is exactly what's wrong with the media. Their hyperbole actually has people believing that cops are out there murdering people in the streets for nothing and getting away with it. It's not reality.

What if I told you "whenever I deal with blacks, I am scared. They're violent people and they could kill me at anytime". You say that's a. Outrageous thing to say. Keep it real though. What's more likely to happen to you. Getting murdered by some random black guy or by some random cop? Be real.

Would you think it's reasonable to be in fear that blacks are out to get you and will kill you just for the hell of it? Or course not. But the stupid media has you believing that the cops are actually out to murder you just for the hell of it.

[Godzuki]

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/08/16/nr-allen-howell-looting-in-ferguson.cnn.html

rioting and looting again. burned down the store where that hoodlum stole the cigars too.

how the fukk can cops stand there watching this shit? aren't they supposed to arrest these fukkers? shoot at them or something...WTF is this shit? :facepalm

man this shit is outrageous how they're allowing this now, all because of political correctness in America. cops have to smile. go fukk yourselves police haters i'd take them over these sorry fukks any day of the week. completely unacceptable. Holder needs to GTFO, fukk u Obama....these cops had it right the first night.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Cops do kill innocent people though, all the time, I have seen it in my own community.

I am not afraid of a skin color. I do feel uncomfortable around sketchy people, drug users, gang members, criminals etc. One color of skin is not more intimidating than another. The uniform someone wears can be intimidating though, ie police or gang members.

The problem the black community faces is that too many young black males think it is cool to be "gangster" that's what leads to the stereotypes and unfair treatment. Certain black communities glorify the hood mentality and encourage a hatred of police and general lack of respect for others. Dress and act like a thug and you'll get treated like a thug regardless of the color of your skin.

The Black community needs to take responsibility for their part in the issue and do what they can to fix themselves before trying to fix an unperfect human race.

[KNOW1EDGE]

What if I told you "whenever I deal with blacks, I am scared. They're violent people and they could kill me at anytime". You say that's a. Outrageous thing to say. Keep it real though. What's more likely to happen to you. Getting murdered by some random black guy or by some random cop. Be real.

When you say "some random black guy" I think Carlton Banks from Fresh Prince.

When you say "some random black guy" what are you thinking? Be real. Your definition of "some random black guy" and mine are very different.

I fear gang members, criminals and police, not skin colors.

[Godzuki]

When you say "some random black guy" I think Carlton Banks from Fresh Prince.

When you say "some random black guy" what are you thinking? Be real. Your definition of "some random black guy" and mine are very different.

I fear gang members, criminals and police, not skin colors.


the only people who fear police are the ones doing something wrong.

unless you're a black guy in Mississippi or some small white power town.

its almost become cool to say that now but its just retarded.

[qrich]

Thinking you'll get shot and murdered during a routine stop is a bit extreme, no?

I comply with cops, anytime I'm pulled over, even if it is for the most idiotic reason (I've been pulled over for walking to the store at 3 AM!), as to not be harassed is different.

[KNOW1EDGE]

the only people who fear police are the ones doing something wrong.

I dont expect you to understand, and im sure you will have a rebuttal, but I can tell you with 100% certainty that is unequivocally untrue.

I respect your views and I feel a lot of what you have shared is tough to acknowledge, but it is true. But I think there are genuinely innocent people who fear the police, and I don't think they are irrational for doing so.

[GOBB]

Not saying this is the case in the Brown situation, but in Cincinnati in 2001 a cop shot and killed a 19 year old during a on foot chase because when the cop confronted him he reached to pull up his baggy/saggy pants and the cop thought he was going for a weapon.

You need to listen to cops and not run and make movements that provoke such things.

Again, not stating this is what happened in Ferguson, but I'm sure there are a lot of shootings that occur because people don't listen to the orders given by police, they run and make movements that make the officers feel uncomfortable or fearful. They're trained and I get it, but they're human fearing for their lives like anyone else.

In this case, even if unarmed and they reach for something and get shot, it's okay to me. If I have a burglar in my home and I have a gun pointed at him and he makes a movement that makes it look like he's going for something I'm going to shoot his ass.

The greatest cop out for cops.

[dude77]

this dude on cnn just made an excellent point .. why does ferguson need more black cops and why are the white cops not 'good enough' for the town ? that in and of itself is 'racist' or prejudiced or whatever other cute word is in play now ..

he was talking about some city(forgot the name) where latinos have become the majority but almost the entire city government consist of blacks .. so he was asking .. should blacks have to give up their jobs so the city government can reflect more of the city residents ? .. are black city workers not good enough to do work on the streets because it's a latino majority town now ? ..

wanting black cops in ferguson just because there are more black residents is 'racist' yet we're having open discussions about doing just that lol can't make this shit up ..

how about we just advocate for better cops in general

[longtime lurker]

So no mention of Ferguson residents protecting stores from looters?

http://gawker.com/ferguson-residents-protect-stores-from-looters-during-p-1622633871

[chosen_one6]

the only people who fear police are the ones doing something wrong.

unless you're a black guy in Mississippi or some small white power town.

its almost become cool to say that now but its just retarded.

Wrong. I hate the police and my record is clean as a whistle. You should probably think about what you say before you spout off nonsense.

[oh the horror]

the only people who fear police are the ones doing something wrong.




God dammit I am SOOOOOOOOOO f*cking tired of seein people saying this shit. No dude ALOT OF PEOPLE are afraid of the police. They intimidate and harass people a LOT. Is that a hard concept for everyone here I grasp?


F*ck dude I've been harassed merely driving home at a certain hour.


I've had friends stopped, questioned and the officers smart mouthed them for no reason.


Intimidation tactics, general assholes, and full on power trippers.



I didn't just fall out of the womb distrusting and feeling anxious around cops. That came with experience.


You know if I'm breaking the law and get caught. Fine. As a teenager I ran around, smoked pot. Whatever. I never had an issue with officers until I kept getting messed with.


Problem is whenever an officer approaches me I never know what type of cop I'm going to get. At least with some street punk I can defend myself. Wtf am I gonna do with a cop? He can call backup, taser me, use his stick, cuffs....make up a reason to arrest me or even f*cking shoot me?


ESPECIALLY the ones prone to violence. They're scary dude. And people do not feel safe around these assholes.


Now as a grown adult that isn't involved in some wild lifestyle where I'm "breaking the law" I'm nervous around these bastards. And they STILL mess with people. I've been followed home, had an officer pull along side me and shine his spotlight in my FACE while I was driving etc.


They're intimidating and what can you do? Catch a case by punching out a cop?

[Godzuki]

God dammit I am SOOOOOOOOOO f*cking tired of seein people saying this shit. No dude ALOT OF PEOPLE are afraid of the police. They intimidate and harass people a LOT. Is that a hard concept for everyone here I grasp?


F*ck dude I've been harassed merely driving home at a certain hour.


I've had friends stopped, questioned and the officers smart mouthed them for no reason.


Intimidation tactics, general assholes, and full on power trippers.



I didn't just fall out of the womb distrusting and feeling anxious around cops. That came with experience.


You know if I'm breaking the law and get caught. Fine. As a teenager I ran around, smoked pot. Whatever. I never had an issue with officers until I kept getting messed with.


Problem is whenever an officer approaches me I never know what type of cop I'm going to get. At least with some street punk I can defend myself. Wtf am I gonna do with a cop? He can call backup, taser me, use his stick, cuffs....make up a reason to arrest me or even f*cking shoot me?


ESPECIALLY the ones prone to violence. They're scary dude. And people do not feel safe around these assholes.


Now as a grown adult that isn't involved in some wild lifestyle where I'm "breaking the law" I'm nervous around these bastards. And they STILL mess with people. I've been followed home, had an officer pull along side me and shine his spotlight in my FACE while I was driving etc.


They're intimidating and what can you do? Catch a case by punching out a cop?

i used to hate police, i still dislike them. ever since HS they were assholes breaking up parties, pulling us over for hours wasting our night and letting us go where i despised them. complete assholes. they still follow my ass occasionally and i'm like WTF, riding my bumper like i'm doing something wrong.

then i grew up. i read current events/news around my way and realized all of the crime that occurs every day. I experienced first hand how unsafe many areas are based on ghetto mf'ers who steal, rob, and kill others to get by in life. I see it every day when i read/watch the news and thats just in my local small area. some real fukked up shit that can hit real close to home. The only ones deterring that are police, who already have their hands tied behind their backs catching these mf'ers, who are the worst of the worst of people.

you all make excuses for them constantly here but the worst thing i read that gets me so fired up are hard working people that bust their ass to have what they have, getting abused by shitty do nothing ghetto mf'ers robbing, stealing, and killing them for shortcuts in life. and shit happens ALL OF THE FUKKING time in the REAL WORLD>

[Godzuki]

Wrong. I hate the police and my record is clean as a whistle. You should probably think about what you say before you spout off nonsense.


then if you're doing nothing wrong what are you fearing for? so they've planted stuff on you? they've beaten u down for no reason? tell me your experience that justifies you having fear despite having done nothign wrong :confusedshrug:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

God dammit I am SOOOOOOOOOO f*cking tired of seein people saying this shit. No dude ALOT OF PEOPLE are afraid of the police. They intimidate and harass people a LOT. Is that a hard concept for everyone here I grasp?

Wtf am I gonna do with a cop? He can call backup, taser me, use his stick, cuffs....make up a reason to arrest me or even f*cking shoot me?

Has any of this happened to you?

I mean, why would anyone be "afraid" of the police unless they're doing something illegal? You sound like a paranoid clown.

[oh the horror]

Has any of this happened to you?

I mean, why would anyone be "afraid" of the police unless they're doing something illegal? You sound like a paranoid clown.



I suggest you check yourself before calling people you don't know "paranoid clowns". I have my own experiences with law enforcement and my own stories.


Unless you know first hand about Torrance and Los Angeles cops I suggest you just stop posting for awhile chief.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I suggest you check yourself before calling people you don't know "paranoid clowns". I have my own experiences with law enforcement and my own stories.


Unless you know first hand about Torrance and Los Angeles cops I suggest you just stop posting for awhile chief.

I'm in Redondo and hang out in Torrance all the time. Have had first hand experience with aggressive cops. No doubt. Thing is, I have nothing to hide so why should I be spooked about cops just doing their civil duties?

[dude77]

I'm with godzuki .. if you're law abiding, there's no reason to be 'afraid' of the police . if you are, you're just paranoid and/or being influenced by shit you see on tv or shit you hear about .. most of the time nothing happens, if you're not causing any trouble, or doing illegal shit .. point fkn blank .. of course the police are gonna look at you suspiciously sometimes or even look for a reason to stop you .. that shit has happened to all of us .. but if there isn't a reason to stop you, 9/10 you're not gonna get stopped ..

I've been a stupid young punk and let it seep out when dealing with the police .. guess what ? I got in trouble .. I don't do any of that shit anymore and don't fk with the cops .. guess what ? I don't have any problems with the cops .. if you start mouthing off, or worse you touch a cop then you're a fkn idiot and something's gonna happen obviously ..


Now as a grown adult that isn't involved in some wild lifestyle where I'm "breaking the law" I'm nervous around these bastards. And they STILL mess with people. I've been followed home, had an officer pull along side me and shine his spotlight in my FACE while I was driving etc.

that's happened to me .. flashing their damn lights in my face for nothing while I'm driving .. really annoying .. but nothing happened .. why ? because I wasn't doing shit ..

you only get nervous if you're up to no good .. why would you be nervous or afraid if you're not doing anything and you've never had a problem with the cops ? some of you are spooked

[oh the horror]

And WTF has it ever happened to me?


So now I need something to directly happen to me to feel the potential dangers of it happening?


Hey! I've never been attacked by a f*cking alligator before. But I miiiight feel a little paranoid if I happen to cross paths with one.

[GOBB]

Gotta love it now you can't be worried afraid of cops unless you're doing something illegal. There is no way cops ever harrass and intimidate people who do nothin Wrog. Nah that person they pulled over, questioned, got smart was had to be doing something wrong. :rolleyes:

[longtime lurker]

Gotta love it now you can't be worried afraid of cops unless you're doing something illegal. There is no way cops ever harrass and intimidate people who do nothin Wrog. Nah that person they pulled over, questioned, got smart was had to be doing something wrong. :rolleyes:

Doing something illegal means being black or Latino

[MavsSuperFan]

God dammit I am SOOOOOOOOOO f*cking tired of seein people saying this shit. No dude ALOT OF PEOPLE are afraid of the police. They intimidate and harass people a LOT. Is that a hard concept for everyone here I grasp?


F*ck dude I've been harassed merely driving home at a certain hour.


I've had friends stopped, questioned and the officers smart mouthed them for no reason.


Intimidation tactics, general assholes, and full on power trippers.



I didn't just fall out of the womb distrusting and feeling anxious around cops. That came with experience.


You know if I'm breaking the law and get caught. Fine. As a teenager I ran around, smoked pot. Whatever. I never had an issue with officers until I kept getting messed with.


Problem is whenever an officer approaches me I never know what type of cop I'm going to get. At least with some street punk I can defend myself. Wtf am I gonna do with a cop? He can call backup, taser me, use his stick, cuffs....make up a reason to arrest me or even f*cking shoot me?


ESPECIALLY the ones prone to violence. They're scary dude. And people do not feel safe around these assholes.


Now as a grown adult that isn't involved in some wild lifestyle where I'm "breaking the law" I'm nervous around these bastards. And they STILL mess with people. I've been followed home, had an officer pull along side me and shine his spotlight in my FACE while I was driving etc.


They're intimidating and what can you do? Catch a case by punching out a cop?
Honestly I think people can sense when people are scared or hostile towards them.

Its a negative feedback loop. you fear the cops. Cops sense this tension and resentment and mistake it for hostility and then increase their aggressiveness.

[MavsSuperFan]

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/08/16/nr-allen-howell-looting-in-ferguson.cnn.html

rioting and looting again. burned down the store where that hoodlum stole the cigars too.

how the fukk can cops stand there watching this shit? aren't they supposed to arrest these fukkers? shoot at them or something...WTF is this shit? :facepalm

man this shit is outrageous how they're allowing this now, all because of political correctness in America. cops have to smile. go fukk yourselves police haters i'd take them over these sorry fukks any day of the week. completely unacceptable. Holder needs to GTFO, fukk u Obama....these cops had it right the first night.
sad that some people are blaming the store that brown robbed. What was the store supposed to do accept being robbed?


how the fukk can cops stand there watching this shit? aren't they supposed to arrest these fukkers? shoot at them or something...WTF is this shit? :facepalm
The truth is looting helps the cops. The more looting there is the worse the citizens of ferguson look. and by extension the better the cops look for their militarized response. To a lot of people Looting justifies coming out in such force.

Looting also doesnt negatively affects cops at all. Only the owners of those stores that are having the life savings destroyed, are affected by looting. In fact the looting will help the cops procure more weapons and funding.

Cops will never admit it but if the looters killed a store owner it would be their dream come true. Looters are either stupid, and dont realize how much they are hurting the communities image or they are selfish and dont really care about brown/how the police treat them, and are looking for an excuse to get steal some stuff.

[ArbitraryWater]

LOL at anyone who thinks Michael Brown actually reached for the Cop's gun...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdDtqfnTud0

All because that murderer cop won't take accountability for his vile actions. ****ing pathetic. Also, if the cop was Black, his name wouldve been released within an hour of Mike Browns murder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wt8yEGacIs&feature=youtu.be

[Godzuki]

And WTF has it ever happened to me?


So now I need something to directly happen to me to feel the potential dangers of it happening?


Hey! I've never been attacked by a f*cking alligator before. But I miiiight feel a little paranoid if I happen to cross paths with one.


then you're being paranoid based on the generalizations of police u hear

which is understandable but that doesn't make them accurate or truthful until u can justify what has happened to you directly.

share to us what cops have done to you when they pulled u over. they plant stuff or beat u for no reason? i'd love to hear it....

[Godzuki]

sad that some people are blaming the store that brown robbed. What was the store supposed to do accept being robbed?


The truth is looting helps the cops. The more looting there is the worse the citizens of ferguson look. and by extension the better the cops look for their militarized response. To a lot of people Looting justifies coming out in such force.

Looting also doesnt negatively affects cops at all. Only the owners of those stores that are having the life savings destroyed, are affected by looting. In fact the looting will help the cops procure more weapons and funding.

Cops will never admit it but if the looters killed a store owner it would be their dream come true. Looters are either stupid, and dont realize how much they are hurting the communities image or they are selfish and dont really care about brown/how the police treat them, and are looking for an excuse to get steal some stuff.


i truly hope there is a avenue for these store owners to sue the police/law enforcement/government for just standing there considering they pay them thru taxes to protect their businesses.

the other thing that really annoys me about this is Obama had Holder get someone else to take over the Missouri police dept handling of this, and their motto now is to 'smile' and be lax to calm tensions. last time i'm supporting that mf'er...

[ArbitraryWater]

Hilarious... Always the same people that defend police brutality and cop abuse.

[Godzuki]

Hilarious... Always the same people that defend police brutality and cop abuse.

keep pretending that the cops are your enemies and your ghettos will never get cleaned up.

[GOBB]

Honestly I think people can sense when people are scared or hostile towards them.

Its a negative feedback loop. you fear the cops. Cops sense this tension and resentment and mistake it for hostility and then increase their aggressiveness.

No it's not cops are human Briggs with biased, prejudices , ignorance, and just flat out scum bags. In Philly numerous cops were indicted for extorting drug dealers, robbing them of cash/drugs, threatening them the whole nine. Look it up. Black/white cops. Huge case here with corrupt law enforcement some of the stories are so crazy if someone mentioned cops were capable of doing it you would say "bullshit". Yet it happened.

Having said that this idea you presented isn't always the case when encountering cops. Some are dbags and you're at their mercy. They know it and take advantage. If you look a certain way or are of a certain skin tone they troll you.

Just because you never experienced what others have gone thru doesn't give u the right to sit on your ass and find up a silly excuses to their actions. Your so trained to feel cops are honest, respectful, trustworthy. Hey they are cops.
No way they do anything heinous. You're dead wrong.

Not all cops are this way but some are. Acknowledge and accept these facts. Stop with this silly excuses. They abuse their badge and are excessive in how they handle situations. No unarmed person needs clips entered into them. And no cop should get the benefit of the doubt and keep their job doing so.

[GOBB]

keep pretending that the cops are your enemies and your ghettos will never get cleaned up.

Keep pretending innocent people aren't harassed by cops. And your dumbass feels it's justified. Same mentality some of them have. Your whole outlook is an example of how a piece of shit cop sees thing. Because you could go thru whatever needs to be done to be a cop. But what doesn't change is your f*cked up mentality. Now you're giving a gun, badge.

Glad you work for your papa san. And didn't become a cop.

[Godzuki]

No it's not cops are human Briggs with biased, prejudices , ignorance, and just flat out scum bags. In Philly numerous cops were indicted for extorting drug dealers, robbing them of cash/drugs, threatening them the whole nine. Look it up. Black/white cops. Huge case here with corrupt law enforcement some of the stories are so crazy if someone mentioned cops were capable of doing it you would say "bullshit". Yet it happened.

Having said that this idea you presented isn't always the case when encountering cops. Some are dbags and you're at their mercy. They know it and take advantage. If you look a certain way or are of a certain skin tone they troll you.

Just because you never experienced what others have gone thru doesn't give u the right to sit on your ass and find up a silly excuses to their actions. Your so trained to feel cops are honest, respectful, trustworthy. Hey they are cops.
No way they do anything heinous. You're dead wrong.

Not all cops are this way but some are. Acknowledge and accept these facts. Stop with this silly excuses. They abuse their badge and are excessive in how they handle situations. No unarmed person needs clips entered into them. And no cop should get the benefit of the doubt and keep their job doing so.


deal with the trolling mailman, because we ALL deal with it. maybe black people more but its sort of understandable if u can put yourself in their shoes....tooo bad most of u can't and side with the drug dealers and thugs constantly.

[Godzuki]

Keep pretending innocent people aren't harassed by cops. And your dumbass feels it's justified. Same mentality some of them have. Your whole outlook is an example of how a piece of shit cop sees thing. Because you could go thru whatever needs to be done to be a cop. But what doesn't change is your f*cked up mentality. Now you're giving a gun, badge.

Glad you work for your papa san. And didn't become a cop.


its not a fukked up mentality, its just not a feel sorry for yourslef WOE IS ME one where i don't cater to yoru political correctness and double standards.

argue the merits of what i said but none of u mf'ers can...its REALITY. not the politically correct one u alll pretend we alll have to abide by or u play the race card.

[ArbitraryWater]

http://truedetectivequotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/of-course-im-dangerous.jpg

[Godzuki]

http://truedetectivequotes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/of-course-im-dangerous.jpg


share YOUR story pls...

[ArbitraryWater]

its not a fukked up mentality, its just not a feel sorry for yourslef WOE IS ME one where i don't cater to yoru political correctness and double standards.

argue the merits of what i said but none of u mf'ers can...its REALITY. not the politically correct one u alll pretend we alll have to abide by or u play the race card.

You're sheep, that's all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdDtqfnTud0

This might help you realize how much of a coward you, dude77 and all the others are.

[Godzuki]

You're sheep, that's all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdDtqfnTud0

This might help you realize how much of a coward you, dude77 and all the others are.


thats why u won't ever go anywhere, you're a feel sorry for yourself sorry mf'er who blames society for everything you yourself has failed at.

go play the race card, call us cowards, for hurting your sorry excuse ridden ego because you don't strive to work as hard as others in life.

[Draz]

That's major karma right there

[oh the horror]

Frank Serpico.




http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Serpico



Corruption in police depts don't just stop with the NYPD



Maybe frank was a criminal too huh

[Godzuki]

Frank Serpico.




http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Serpico



Corruption in police depts don't just stop with the NYPD



Maybe frank was a criminal too huh

so generalizing is okay now? there are very few out of the whole police force who do these things.

there are even a lot of black police officers in law enforcement in general throughout this country but they all get generalized as racists.

but i swear its one of those things most of u can't put yourself in their shoes, and where/who a lot of the crime comes from, but expect to play by this politically correct stupid reality where every race you see in a car is equally a suspect in committing a crime....yeah right :rolleyes:

nobody is that fukking dumb.

[Graviton]

People who are mindlessly defending the cops should realize they are not angels. This is what those great pillars of community do to their citizens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx_AQJJuc5E

While there are nice cops that are just doing their jobs, there are also just as many if not more total ***** and trigger happy sociopaths. You need to understand what kind of people even WANT to become cops, it's not "to help people and community". That badge gives them power over everyone else, and the ego and sense of entitlement that comes with that power is dangerous. In my experience, older cops above 40+ are nice and generally fair. But ones in the 20-30 range are a lot of times are those uptight a-holes that abuse their power.

[32jazz]

People who are mindlessly defending the cops should realize they are not angels. This is what those great pillars of community do to their citizens.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx_AQJJuc5E

While there are nice cops that are just doing their jobs, there are also just as many if not more total ***** and trigger happy sociopaths. You need to understand what kind of people even WANT to become cops, it's not "to help people and community". That badge gives them power over everyone else, and the ego and sense of entitlement that comes with that power is dangerous. In my experience, older cops above 40+ are nice and generally fair. But ones in the 20-30 range are a lot of times are those uptight a-holes that abuse their power.


The militarization of our police won't stop because a certain demographic have no issues with/support the heavy handed tactics of the State . The police state makes Whites feel safe & have no problem with it as long as it's 'those people' without realizing that apparatus would be used against them someday as well.

[oh the horror]

so generalizing is okay now? there are very few out of the whole police force who do these things.

there are even a lot of black police officers in law enforcement in general throughout this country but they all get generalized as racists.

but i swear its one of those things most of u can't put yourself in their shoes, and where/who a lot of the crime comes from, but expect to play by this politically correct stupid reality where every race you see in a car is equally a suspect in committing a crime....yeah right :rolleyes:

nobody is that fukking dumb.



Generalizing? Dude it was a wide spread corruption from the top on down with the New York police dept.


And don't even get me started on the LAPD





My point is that when you create an entity like law enforcement and give them authority, WITHOUT consequences to their actions where a system is set up to protect their own, this is what happens. Abuse of authority without fear of legal action.


They need a complete overhaul of the way law enforcement works. But they seem fairly uninterested. This is why people are raging.


Too many cases where cops continuously get off where there should have been legal action taken? Come on. Do I have to draw out a map?

[MavsSuperFan]

No it's not cops are human Briggs with biased, prejudices , ignorance, and just flat out scum bags. In Philly numerous cops were indicted for extorting drug dealers, robbing them of cash/drugs, threatening them the whole nine. Look it up. Black/white cops. Huge case here with corrupt law enforcement some of the stories are so crazy if someone mentioned cops were capable of doing it you would say "bullshit". Yet it happened.

Having said that this idea you presented isn't always the case when encountering cops. Some are dbags and you're at their mercy. They know it and take advantage. If you look a certain way or are of a certain skin tone they troll you.

Just because you never experienced what others have gone thru doesn't give u the right to sit on your ass and find up a silly excuses to their actions. Your so trained to feel cops are honest, respectful, trustworthy. Hey they are cops.
No way they do anything heinous. You're dead wrong.

Not all cops are this way but some are. Acknowledge and accept these facts. Stop with this silly excuses. They abuse their badge and are excessive in how they handle situations. No unarmed person needs clips entered into them. And no cop should get the benefit of the doubt and keep their job doing so.
Absolutely agree that cops are hostile to blacks. Eg. some cop was yelling "bring it on you animals" towards the black protesters.

I am just saying it isnt helpful to be scared of/hate cops as they can sense that and it just increases the tensions. Look like it or not cops are more powerful than us. They have the right to order us around. It sucks, I am not a cop, I have to obey them too.

[west_tip]

This is exactly what's wrong with the media. Their hyperbole actually has people believing that cops are out there murdering people in the streets for nothing and getting away with it. It's not reality.

It just goes to show how persuasive the media is in shaping peoples perceptions of reality and influencing their opinions. People trust what they see on TV more than their real life experiences.

Anyway, its just as dumb to make generalizing statements about cops as it is to make them about blacks. I've run into a few douche bag cops in my time just like I've dealt with some ignorant blacks. Regardless, the vast majority are good people, however some will judge an entire demographic based on a small sample of negative interactions without any sense of perspective.

[irondarts]

Holy shit the Governor's press conference right now is crazy.

[GOBB]

Holy shit the Governor's press conference right now is crazy.

Recap? Not able to watch

[SunsN07BookIt]

I hear all these people saying they are afraid of the cops. How are you people experiencing all these run ins in the first place. I'm 34 and I've only come into contact the police maybe 5 times in 12 years. I did have a run ins with the cops when I was younger but that's because me and my friends were the idiots, not the cops, and had big mouths. And even then I was never beaten, framed, or arrested despite being armed on 3 different occasions(legally). I was thrown in the drunk tank once because I was underage and my friend hit the girl driver in our car over the head with a giant dildo causing her to crash, but that's about it.

I hear all these crocodile tears from thugs about the police abuse them, but I am guessing maybe 10% at the most encounter an ahole cop, and the other 90% deserve what they get because they run, resist or fight back. Even if the cop is in the wrong, 99% of the time the cops are going to win and you are going to lose if you don't submit to them immediately. Only total idiots play those odds. If they do something wrong, your best chance at justice is through complaints, the courtroom or the media. Even if you don't get justice against a bad cop, it makes no sense making things worse for yourself and possibly ruining your life.

Too many people don't possess a lick of common sense these days....

[NumberSix]

I hear all these people saying they are afraid of the cops. How are you people experiencing all these run ins in the first place. I'm 34 and I've only come into contact the police maybe 5 times in 12 years. I did have a run ins with the cops when I was younger but that's because me and my friends were the idiots, not the cops, and had big mouths. And even then I was never beaten, framed, or arrested despite being armed on 3 different occasions(legally). I was thrown in the drunk tank once because I was underage and my friend hit the girl driver in our car over the head with a giant dildo causing her to crash, but that's about it.

I hear all these crocodile tears from thugs about the police abuse them, but I am guessing maybe 10% at the most encounter an ahole cop, and the other 90% deserve what they get because they run, resist or fight back. Even if the cop is in the wrong, 99% of the time the cops are going to win and you are going to lose if you don't submit to them immediately. Only total idiots play those odds. If they do something wrong, your best chance at justice is through complaints, the courtroom or the media. Even if you don't get justice against a bad cop, it makes no sense making things worse for yourself and possibly ruining your life.

Too many people don't possess a lick of common sense these days....
You always see some idiot yelling and screaming at a cop and acting crazy and unpredictable and then They're shocked that the police take extra measures that they don't take with a person who cooperates and acts calm and rational.

[niko]

Cops are supposed to be there to protect us, not to avenge wrongs. I don't care if the kid was a robber, let's assume he was. You don't shoot him in the back running away. That doesn't make sense. That is excessive. Period. It's not that hard.

[NumberSix]

Cops are supposed to be there to protect us, not to avenge wrongs. I don't care if the kid was a robber, let's assume he was. You don't shoot him in the back running away. That doesn't make sense. That is excessive. Period. It's not that hard.
You're absolutely right. The problem is, it hasn't been confirmed that that actually happened. There's no confirmation yet on how many times or where he was shot.

[niko]

You're absolutely right. The problem is, it hasn't been confirmed that that actually happened. There's no confirmation yet on how many times or where he was shot.
Yes, and then the police decided to hide him, not say who he was, and when the riots (totally wrong) broke out, acted with increasingly inapproriate force, including arresting reporters, destroying footage, and arresting people out of spite (people were arrested for bleeding on officers after the officer beat them, for not leaving McDonalds timely (and not loitering basically LEAVE NOW, and then yelling NOT FAST ENOUGH).

I don't disagree with you that this might be nothing but the response was just absolutely ridiculous. We've had riots in NYC, tanks didn't descend for a week and martial law declared. Once the people are scared, it's over.

You'll see me, i'm pretty consistent what i think of rioters, and even often times i think protests are silly (New Yorkers doing a sit in to protest this in Missouri made no sense, they disrupted NYC traffic to support Missouri). But the armed response here was awful.

When i was young the cops used to smack us around just because. It creates an awful enviornment. Forunately i have friends who are cops so i understand them a lot better, but if i didn't i think i'd still be scared. I still get a twinge if i get stopped for speeding or something that I might be going to jail.

[Raymone]

Cops are supposed to be there to protect us, not to avenge wrongs. I don't care if the kid was a robber, let's assume he was. You don't shoot him in the back running away. That doesn't make sense. That is excessive. Period. It's not that hard.

There are situations where a cop can use deadly force on a fleeing, unarmed suspect. 471 U.S. 1. Period. Not that hard.

[niko]

There are situations where a cop can use deadly force on a fleeing, unarmed suspect. 471 U.S. 1. Period. Not that hard.
This doesn't appear to be it. :no: That's a stretch.

[NumberSix]

Yes, and then the police decided to hide him, not say who he was, and when the riots (totally wrong) broke out, acted with increasingly inapproriate force, including arresting reporters, destroying footage, and arresting people out of spite (people were arrested for bleeding on officers after the officer beat them, for not leaving McDonalds timely (and not loitering basically LEAVE NOW, and then yelling NOT FAST ENOUGH).

I don't disagree with you that this might be nothing but the response was just absolutely ridiculous. We've had riots in NYC, tanks didn't descend for a week and martial law declared. Once the people are scared, it's over.
The police firing tear gas at innocent people and violating peoples rights is terrible. Every cop involved should lose thei job. This stuff is on tape. There's no doubt about it.

The kid that died though? That's not on tape. We don't actually know what happened yet. It might be exactly what the witness said. Rioting because of what "might" have happened is never a good idea. This is not like Rodney king where we saw the police being scumbags. It's entirely possible that the cop did nothing wrong.

[SunsN07BookIt]

Cops are supposed to be there to protect us, not to avenge wrongs. I don't care if the kid was a robber, let's assume he was. You don't shoot him in the back running away. That doesn't make sense. That is excessive. Period. It's not that hard.


Maybe so, but if they scuffled and the cop shot him in the back when the kid was no threat. The cop should be held accountable, but there really is no reason to cause such an uproar over a dead punk when their is so much other better causes to champion for. I mean if some guy in full KKK gear walks through the hood talking shit, and gets wasted. Yeah he didn't deserve to die, but there isn't going to be anyone feeling sorry for him. Don't tangle with the cops. Don't fight, resist or run. Bad things happen, how many times to people have to get it through their thick skulls.

People have a fight or flight response, when confronted with authority. It is obvious Michael Brown had a fight response as seen in the video when he grabbed the store owner by the throat. Even most thugs would simply run when caught but Mikey was different. So it shouldn't surprise anyone if he fought with the cop if the evidence comes to that conclusion.

[KevinNYC]

You're absolutely right. The problem is, it hasn't been confirmed that that actually happened. There's no confirmation yet on how many times or where he was shot.

That's a giant part of the problem. The police are still withholding information that the press is asking for and instead the release video of a separate incident (the cigar stealing) that they claimed the press was asking for. The Chief of Police is claiming he had to release the surveillance video because it was asked for, except he can't say who asked for it. The autopsy results have been asked for multiple times, but they are still holding that information. They were Freedom of Information Act requests made, but they released something that didn't apply to that.

I think they wanted to put this tape out there and have people discuss it over the weekend before they reveal that Brown was at least once in the back and multiple times in the front. Witness are claiming between 7-9 shots.

I think it's going to turn out to be

fleeing
shot in the back
raises hands to surrender and turn around
shot several more times.

they now the release of that information is going to cause a giant outcry and so they are trying to delay it for as long as possible.

[niko]

The police firing tear gas at innocent people and violating peoples rights is terrible. Every cop involved should lose thei job. This stuff is on tape. There's no doubt about it.

The kid that died though? That's not on tape. We don't actually know what happened yet. It might be exactly what the witness said. Rioting because of what "might" have happened is never a good idea. This is not like Rodney king where we saw the police being scumbags. It's entirely possible that the cop did nothing wrong.
The thing is though they absolutely ridiculous over the top police response kind of makes it hard to figure the police acted rightly prior to this, and only after were over the top. Clearly there is a culture there in the police that needs to be fixed, because once the riots started cops were lke OH YEAR ASS KICKING TIME...

[NumberSix]

That's a giant part of the problem. The police are still withholding information that the press is asking for and instead the release video of a separate incident (the cigar stealing) that they claimed the press was asking for. The Chief of Police is claiming he had to release the surveillance video because it was asked for, except he can't say who asked for it. The autopsy results have been asked for multiple times, but they are still holding that information. They were Freedom of Information Act requests made, but they released something that didn't apply to that.

I think they wanted to put this tape out there and have people discuss it over the weekend before they reveal that Brown was at least once in the back and multiple times in the front. Witness are claiming between 7-9 shots.

I think it's going to turn out to be

fleeing
shot in the back
raises hands to surrender and turn around
shot several more times.

they now the release of that information is going to cause a giant outcry and so they are trying to delay it for as long as possible.
They aren't "withholding" anything. There's a Fcuking investigation going on. They aren't required to call up the media with every new detail of an ongoing investigation. ESPECIALLY when there is still a possibility of a criminal trial. You don't just make everything public.

[longtime lurker]

I'd like one of you postets to tell this guy that he shouldn't fear cops if he has nothing to hide.

http://youtu.be/z-Yg6fWxdLE

[west_tip]

They aren't "withholding" anything. There's a Fcuking investigation going on. They aren't required to call up the media with every new detail of an ongoing investigation. ESPECIALLY when there is still a possibility of a criminal trial. You don't just make everything public.

This.

Also, how long does an autopsy typically take? I would have thought longer than one week.

[NumberSix]

I'd like one of you postets to tell this guy that he shouldn't fear cops if he has nothing to hide.

http://youtu.be/z-Yg6fWxdLE
Ok, now I will post a video of a Mexican guy killing someone. Now you explain why people shouldn't fear Mexicans.

Obviously, if 1 Mexican is bad, ALL Mexicans are bad, right?

[SunsN07BookIt]

I think it's going to turn out to be

fleeing
shot in the back
raises hands to surrender and turn around.


You are obviously basing that on Brown's tendency to run when confronted with wrong doing like he did with the store owner he stole from. Oh wait a minute.....

[longtime lurker]

Ok, now I will post a video of a Mexican guy killing someone. Now you explain why people shouldn't fear Mexicans.

Obviously, if 1 Mexican is bad, ALL Mexicans are bad, right?

You obviously didn't watch the video you dipshit

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Ok, now I will post a video of a Mexican guy killing someone. Now you explain why people shouldn't fear Mexicans.

Obviously, if 1 Mexican is bad, ALL Mexicans are bad, right?

Watch out...these people would rather hold onto their narratives and live in their make-believe world.

[Raymone]

Ok, now I will post a video of a Mexican guy killing someone. Now you explain why people shouldn't fear Mexicans.

Obviously, if 1 Mexican is bad, ALL Mexicans are bad, right?

It's like this. The actions of a few rioting black people can't represent all black people, but the actions of a few cops always reflects on all cops everywhere.

[MavsSuperFan]

I'd like one of you postets to tell this guy that he shouldn't fear cops if he has nothing to hide.

http://youtu.be/z-Yg6fWxdLE
terrible, injustice. Obviously the ferguson cops have a major problem, hopefully those cops get sentenced to serious time
I am sorry though still doesnt prove that cops overall are like that.

[Akrazotile]

This reminds me of the ward/stewart incident in a way.

Did anyone deserve to DIE in either incident? NO. But in both instances youve got a guy who is belligerently provoking someone in a much more powerful position. In both scenarios the person was irresponsible with that power, but the victim was seriously just ASKING for it each time.

You provoke a reaction from someone who has equipment that can kill you, and the slightest overreaction can put you in the ground for good. It's a dumb thing to do. In the case of Teddy Bear he invited the presence of law encorcement via robbery/assault, and then was forceful and resistant when he was approached. I wish it didnt end the way it did but I have minimal sympathy for the kid, and marginal condemnation for the officer.

[97 bulls]

I'd like one of you postets to tell this guy that he shouldn't fear cops if he has nothing to hide.

http://youtu.be/z-Yg6fWxdLE
That is insane.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You always see some idiot yelling and screaming at a cop and acting crazy and unpredictable and then They're shocked that the police take extra measures that they don't take with a person who cooperates and acts calm and rational.

What you just posted reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f23CPcTdY2M

[SunsN07BookIt]

What you just posted reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f23CPcTdY2M


Haha. I would have applauded if they had started to beat her. He probably means more like this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBL6AEkvLbk

Idiot woman should have just signed the ticket, now she's in jail. Worse yet, she's breeding and some of her family has obviously inherited her retarded traits.

[Godzuki]

The thing is though they absolutely ridiculous over the top police response kind of makes it hard to figure the police acted rightly prior to this, and only after were over the top. Clearly there is a culture there in the police that needs to be fixed, because once the riots started cops were lke OH YEAR ASS KICKING TIME...


why don't u mention their neglect in stopping rioters who are destroying businesses and looting then? clearly there is a negligent behavior to be race sensitive towards black people in that they're there to protect the business's and instill order....which a lot of the public and left media constantly guilt trips them for. So i guess protocol should be let them run rampant amongst a crowd of peaceful protesters who are in the way, that aren't listening to your calls to disperse, and just stand there and smile watching it all happen?

maybe some of the things they did to innocent protesters was over the top but if they weren't listening to leave, then police have every right to put fear into them to make them leave. it worked, despite all of the negative PR, the crowd dispersed without anyone severely hurt or injured.

Crowds, even peaceful, do not help a rioting situation, if anything are used as cover or add to the chaos. Its ridiculous to pretend they're supposed to jump around them to stop rioters and hoodlums that are intertwined or using them as a cover.

[KevinNYC]

This.

Also, how long does an autopsy typically take? I would have thought longer than one week.
Other than the toxicology screen the autopsy has been done for a few days

[Godzuki]

I'd like one of you postets to tell this guy that he shouldn't fear cops if he has nothing to hide.

http://youtu.be/z-Yg6fWxdLE


i would love if there were video to that, because its very unusual for cops to just beat some guy for no reason who isn't resisting, which i'm betting he was but obviously the stories are always "i got beat for no reason". Perhaps they were racist cops who just beat him randomly with no cause but again thats unusual.

I get it was a case of mistaken identity but to me its a honest mistake on the cops part since he had the same name(different middle) than the suspect they assumed was him.

Either way its silly to post that with no video to it, and i'd be willing to bet he resisted arrest to make them get physical in his cell. watch a drunk tank cop show people act belligerent in those cells and cops have to get physical or tie them up. not saying they didn't over do it, and shit happens like the lady a cop threw into a cell hitting her head and having brain damage or something like a year~ ago...but i swear there is usually belligerent behavior involved or resisting to make cops go that route.

and that is never acknowledged from u guys, EVER....not even with the guy who died of asphyxiation or Treyvon...none of u EVER own up to the resisting arrest parts and not just cooperating peacefully and calmly. which always turn into these police/enforcement conspiracy tragedies. Then u all cry foul and keep arguing how messed up it all is while never ending refusal to acknowledge their refusals to cooperate with police being a HUGE factor to the incidents.

[SunsN07BookIt]

Ha yep, too many people throw their lives away over pride or the inability to control their emotions. Reminds me of a Boondocks episode:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p69XxYjfx-k

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ5Ha6l6lhE

[97 bulls]

i would love if there were video to that, because its very unusual for cops to just beat some guy for no reason who isn't resisting, which i'm betting he was but obviously the stories are always "i got beat for no reason". Perhaps they were racist cops who just beat him randomly with no cause but again thats unusual.

I get it was a case of mistaken identity but to me its a honest mistake on the cops part since he had the same name(different middle) than the suspect they assumed was him.

Either way its silly to post that with no video to it, and i'd be willing to bet he resisted arrest to make them get physical in his cell. watch a drunk tank cop show people act belligerent in those cells and cops have to get physical or tie them up. not saying they didn't over do it, and shit happens like the lady a cop threw into a cell hitting her head and having brain damage or something like a year~ ago...but i swear there is usually belligerent behavior involved or resisting to make cops go that route.

and that is never acknowledged from u guys, EVER....not even with the guy who died of asphyxiation or Treyvon...none of u EVER own up to the resisting arrest parts and not just cooperating peacefully and calmly. which always turn into these police/enforcement conspiracy tragedies. Then u all cry foul and keep arguing how messed up it all is while never ending refusal to acknowledge their refusals to cooperate with police being a HUGE factor to the incidents.
Did you watch the full vid. The mans lawyer requested the video of the "alleged" beating. The police gave the wrong tape that was intentionally sped up 32 frames per second (dont profess to know the corect lingo). The police then "mistakingly" erased the actual vid.

[GOBB]

If brown stole cigars why didn't the store call the cops rather a patron?

[oarabbus]

Godzuki, why do you hate black people? You seem to have strong racist tendencies, possibly against other races as well.

[NumberSix]

Godzuki, why do you hate black people? You seem to have strong racist tendencies, possibly against other races as well.
Translation:

Admit this cop is a racially motivated murderer (despite their being no evidence of that) or you're a racist.

Maybe it was unjustified. I dunno. It's not ok to have a public lynching of this cop though with no evidence that he did anything wrong yet.

[GOBB]

Translation:

Admit this cop is a racially motivated murderer (despite their being no evidence of that) or you're a racist.

Maybe it was unjustified. I dunno. It's not ok to have a public lynching of this cop though with no evidence that he did anything wrong yet.

Or you can just admit what the poster hinted at? You have to be blind to see who he hates. F*ck your translation. So are you blind or nah?

[Raymone]

GOBB, why are you so mentally underdeveloped? and also racist?

[Godzuki]

Godzuki, why do you hate black people? You seem to have strong racist tendencies, possibly against other races as well.


its funny how you post some nonsense story you buy into and i shoot it down with logic.

its funny how the same mf'ers here who don't own up to this thug stealing strong armed robbery from a store call it "just stealing cigars"....talking about shooting him the back a minute ago.....throwing race card plays out there at people who don't agree with them.

sorry if u take offense to me calling ghetto mf'ers unreliable with zero credibility, at least i can cite numerous instances where they have ZERO credibility.

its funny how none of u own up to hating on this cop and assuming he and all cops are guilty because they're predominantly white....take that race card and shove it up your ass, because a lot of u mf'ers are way more racist than i am against white people/cops.

check yourself because u want everyone to feel sorry for u, but its about time some of u mf'ers owned the fukk up for your own issues.

[Godzuki]

Or you can just admit what the poster hinted at? You have to be blind to see who he hates. F*ck your translation. So are you blind or nah?


this is the sorry mailman blaming Denny for not running people over before a crime had ever been committed ROFL... shallow mf'er no wonder u were a mailman :oldlol:

not even owning up until being called out for looking to excuse the black guys who were looking to beat up a white person.

i've already made the distinction between good black people and ghetto nikka's, but its clear a lot of u sorry mf'ers are brainwashed by that ignorant nikka movement where u want everyone to feel sorry for u being pulled over. booo hoooo :cry:

[Raymone]

this is the sorry mailman blaming Denny for not running people over before a crime had ever been committed ROFL... shallow mf'er no wonder u were a mailman :oldlol:

not even owning up until being called out for looking to excuse the black guys who were looking to beat up a white person.

i've already made the distinction between good black people and ghetto nikka's, but its clear a lot of u sorry mf'ers are brainwashed by that ignorant nikka movement where u want everyone to feel sorry for u being pulled over. booo hoooo :cry:

He blames Reginald Denny for getting pulled out of his vehicle, but he doesn't place any blame on Michael Brown for committing a strong-arm robbery, resisting an officer and possibly advancing on him. Nor did he place any blame on Trayvon for assaulting Zimmerman. :oldlol: It's definitely a pattern regarding race. And one that certainly isn't exclusive to a small few right now.

[Godzuki]

He blames Reginald Denny for getting pulled out of his vehicle, but he doesn't place any blame on Michael Brown for committing a strong-arm robbery, resisting an officer and possibly advancing on him. Nor did he place any blame on Trayvon for assaulting Zimmerman. :oldlol: It's definitely a pattern regarding race. And one that certainly isn't exclusive to a small few right now.


its a few people here who refuse to see whats straight in front of them, and keep looking elsewhere to excuse the black guy(s).

and they're the ones playing the race card guilt trips too :facepalm

[GOBB]

this is the sorry mailman blaming Denny for not running people over before a crime had ever been committed ROFL... shallow mf'er no wonder u were a mailman :oldlol:

not even owning up until being called out for looking to excuse the black guys who were looking to beat up a white person.

i've already made the distinction between good black people and ghetto nikka's, but its clear a lot of u sorry mf'ers are brainwashed by that ignorant nikka movement where u want everyone to feel sorry for u being pulled over. booo hoooo :cry:

You made it clear you don't like people of color. The only people defending you feel the same as you. I never blamed Deny. You misinterpreted my post. Because you clowns translate something into what you want turn argue on it. Much like the idiot up above who translated someone post who asked why you dislike blacks. And he went on this random rant for nothing.

Your parents did a great job (sarcasm)

[dude77]

You made it clear you don't like people of color

http://wallpirate.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/black_baby_crying1.jpg

[Godzuki]

You made it clear you don't like people of color. The only people defending you feel the same as you. I never blamed Deny. You misinterpreted my post. Because you clowns translate something into what you want turn argue on it. Much like the idiot up above who translated someone post who asked why you dislike blacks. And he went on this random rant for nothing.

Your parents did a great job (sarcasm)


i love how you gloss over the distinction i make between good black people u probably call Uncle Tom's, that are successful, don't make excuses, and work hard.

and then the ghetto mf'ers where a few of u get so offended like you're the white knight for every hoodlum in the ghetto.

its obvious your IQ is really low, you don't read much, envelope licking and stuffing mailboxes is your forte :applause:

you say stuff where its so obvious where your agenda lies in making excuses rather than seeing stuff straight forward like a unbiased person.

hell i may be a bit bias since i am weary of the double standards, reverse racism(i know people hate that term but its appropriate in contexts), and this debt you all expect that everyone owes you forever....but i swear i'm just not a politically correct sheep that buys into all of the excuses and BS.

some of us think for ourselves, not jump with the rest of society's sheep in what is politically correct to think and not think based on sensitivities. i can make very logical arguments with support that aren't racist whatsoever for why i think the way i do, but it'll go way over your head, or you will refuse to look straight up at it, because it doesn't fit your WOE IS ME agenda.

keep playing race cards i don't give a fukk. i'm confident in what i know, see as reality, and think...at the least i know i'm smarter than u mailman :pimp:

[oh the horror]

Frankly I don't know why you people respond to Godzuki. Dude gives me the "I'm gonna shoot up a public place" vibe. F*cking irate little kid.

[GOBB]

http://wallpirate.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/black_baby_crying1.jpg

Hit dog

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Godzuki may be over the top (way over the top, ha!), but at least he's not making excuses for idiots and their actions.

[MavsSuperFan]

If brown stole cigars why didn't the store call the cops rather a patron?
You claimed in another thread that you heard the store owner didnt call the cops.

I find that surprising, but its still pretty clearly a robbery.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2014/08/15/nr-vo-tapper-robbery-surveillance-michael-brown.cnn&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.insidehoops.com%2F forum%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D351143%26page%3D14
watch the video once, its clear he brown stole cigars you can see the cigars in the video

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc494/steelermia/16documents-ferguson1-superJumbo_zpsf8966673.jpg

Also the store was looted by rioters later. people were angry at the store for some reason for being robbed by brown, maybe the owner is trying to appease people now

[GOBB]

Frankly I don't know why you people respond to Godzuki. Dude gives me the "I'm gonna shoot up a public place" vibe. F*cking irate little kid.

That is true. Great point and observation :cheers:

[oh the horror]

You claimed in another thread that you heard the store owner didnt call the cops.

I find that surprising, but its still pretty clearly a robbery.
http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2014/08/15/nr-vo-tapper-robbery-surveillance-michael-brown.cnn&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.insidehoops.com%2F forum%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D351143%26page%3D14
watch the video once, its clear he brown stole cigars you can see the cigars in the video

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc494/steelermia/16documents-ferguson1-superJumbo_zpsf8966673.jpg



I read a report as well that he did not call the cops and is denying it was a robbery. But, he could be afraid since his store has been targeted by rioters. So none of that may be credible at all.

[Godzuki]

Frankly I don't know why you people respond to Godzuki. Dude gives me the "I'm gonna shoot up a public place" vibe. F*cking irate little kid.


like i said a few sorry mf'ers who white knight ghetto hoodlums here ^ that can't see straight or be straight up, because it doesn't fit their agenda.

[MavsSuperFan]

Cops are supposed to be there to protect us, not to avenge wrongs. I don't care if the kid was a robber, let's assume he was. You don't shoot him in the back running away. That doesn't make sense. That is excessive. Period. It's not that hard.
I agree with you for something like theft.


u don't shoot him in the back running away. That doesn't make sense. That is excessive. Period. It's not that hard.
if thats what happened and johnson's version is what happened wilson (the cop) murdered brown.

[MavsSuperFan]

I read a report as well that he did not call the cops and is denying it was a robbery. But, he could be afraid since his store has been targeted by rioters. So none of that may be credible at all.
then explain the video and pictures. I am open to anything in this case. Explain how that video doesnt show brown robbing the store. I have nothing invested in this case.

He has to live in that community. A small percentage of people are logical and have already targeted his store. Some people think the video is doctored. thinking about it now, I would also say that I wasnt robbed if I were him, whether true or not.

[dude77]

I agree with you for something like theft.


if thats what happened and johnson's version is what happened wilson (the cop) murdered brown.

forget about 'johnson' .. his testimony has been discredited and means nothing now .. you can't trust his account .. and it will be discredited if he testifies in court .. mr. 'shot in the back'

[MavsSuperFan]

I read a report as well that he did not call the cops and is denying it was a robbery. But, he could be afraid since his store has been targeted by rioters. So none of that may be credible at all.
http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/15/attorney-dorian-johnson-michael-brown-robbery/14118769/

FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) - The friend who was with Michael Brown when he was shot and killed by a police officer near St. Louis over the weekend is reportedly confirming that he and Brown had taken part in the theft of cigars from a convenience store that day.

That word comes from the attorney for Dorian Johnson, speaking to MSNBC. Police in Ferguson had earlier announced that Brown was suspected of taking cigars from the convenience store in what was described as a "strong-arm robbery."

its funny that the store owner is saying he wasnt robbed and dorian johnson is admitting they robbed him :lol :lol

Kind of sad when you imagine how scared the store owner must be to say he wasnt robbed, when he obviously was.

[MavsSuperFan]

forget about 'johnson' .. his testimony has been discredited and means nothing now .. you can't trust his account .. and it will be discredited if he testifies in court .. mr. 'shot in the back'
maybe I dont know.

We have johnson's version and Wilson's version.

I am confident in time the truth will come out.

[oh the horror]

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/15/attorney-dorian-johnson-michael-brown-robbery/14118769/


its funny that the store owner is saying he wasnt robbed and dorian johnson is admitting they robbed him :lol :lol

Kind of sad when you imagine how scared the store owner must be to say he wasnt robbed, when he obviously was.




That's how It is. The store owner is merely denying involvement because he's probably terrified about retaliation

[Nick Young]

:rolleyes:

possibly stole cigars ehh?

so clearly the answer is to shoot a guy who is no longer a threat to do harm to the cop w/a gun
'possibly stole cigars' aka he definitely stole cigars worth $140 and strong armed the shop clerk and was caught on camera committing the crime.


But he was going to college doe! Kids will be kids amirite?

[Meticode]

But he was going to college doe! Kids will be kids amirite?
Yep.

http://static.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/michael-brown-ferguson-pic-05.jpg

[DonDadda59]

Anyone know which one of the shots went 'back to front' per the autopsy report? :confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

^^ Amazing.


Looks like he was a gang banger or at least a wannabe thug. Had this kid been shot and killed by gang violence, it's just a case of "dis thug life".

Ohhh he got killed by a cop??? Ohhhh hellzzzz nah!

[Nick Young]

Yep.

http://static.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/michael-brown-ferguson-pic-05.jpg
A shy and innocent young boy. The lovable little scamp stole the cigars as a harmless prank. He was just messing around. Kids will be kids!

He charged the cop who shot him as well? (According to eye witnesses)-well now, he was a shy young man, and going to college! He was well within his rights.

MURDER! MURDER WAS THE CASE.

Cus he was going to college doe:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Raymone]

How do we know Brown didn't have a tab at that store where he took the cigars?

How do we know he wasn't charging the cop to simply give him a hug?

[Patrick Chewing]

Maybe he was charging the cop to show off his tackling skills when he walks on to the football team in college. Just a kid with a dream!

[oh the horror]

A shy and innocent young boy. The lovable little scamp stole the cigars as a harmless prank. He was just messing around. Kids will be kids!

He charged the cop who shot him as well? (According to eye witnesses)-well now, he was a shy young man, and going to college! He was well within his rights.

MURDER! MURDER WAS THE CASE.

Cus he was going to college doe:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:



I know you're enjoying yourself but that was someone's baby.

[Nick Young]

Maybe he was charging the cop to show off his tackling skills when he walks on to the football team in college. Just a kid with a dream!
The lovable little scamp had a lot of big dreams-now he will achieve none of them. Who knows what store he wanted to rob next! Now he never will get that chance:cry: :cry: :cry:

[NumberSix]

I know you're enjoying yourself but that was someone's baby.
So is the cop who's head people want on a platter.

[Raymone]

I know you're enjoying yourself but that was someone's baby.

So were the DC snipers. So what? We can still discuss their actions and the consequences of those actions.

[Godzuki]

I know you're enjoying yourself but that was someone's baby.


u sound like one of the biggest bitch apologists i've ever seen lol

didn't u earlier pretend 18 yrs old was too young to see what he'd turn into? lmao 18 is pretty fukking old....talking like he was 8 and didn't know right from wrong yet :facepalm

[Nick Young]

I know you're enjoying yourself but that was someone's baby.
Hitler was also somebody's baby.

Jeffrey Dahmer was also someone's baby.

Every human on earth is someone's baby, bro.

[KNOW1EDGE]

The store owner came out and said he didn't think it was Mike Brown on tape stealing cigars.

And can someone please explain why Michael's wanna-be-thug persona makes it acceptable for cops to shoot him?

I agree, young black males that live that life style put themselves at risk, they are stupid, immature and generally speaking a detriment to society. But in my opinion that is not grounds for execution.

[Patrick Chewing]

And can someone please explain why Michael's wanna-be-thug persona makes it acceptable for cops to shoot him?



:facepalm

No one has said this.

[Nick Young]

The store owner came out and said he didn't think it was Mike Brown on tape stealing cigars.

And can someone please explain why Michael's wanna-be-thug persona makes it acceptable for cops to shoot him?

I agree, young black males that live that life style put themselves at risk, they are stupid, immature and generally speaking a detriment to society. But in my opinion that is not grounds for execution.
Rioters already have targeted the store owner. He probably fears more violence against his shop if he did tell the truth. Store owner is scared. Browns friend EVEN ADMITTED TO ROBBING THE STORE WITH BROWN ALREADY.

If he charged at the police officer, like an eye witness is caught on camera as saying, do you understand why a police might have shot at him to bring him down? Is bum rushing a cop not grounds for 'execution'?

[Godzuki]

The store owner came out and said he didn't think it was Mike Brown on tape stealing cigars.

And can someone please explain why Michael's wanna-be-thug persona makes it acceptable for cops to shoot him?

I agree, young black males that live that life style put themselves at risk, they are stupid, immature and generally speaking a detriment to society. But in my opinion that is not grounds for execution.


considering his friend, the star witness, was right next to him in the video i don't know how u can even believe that shit :facepalm


maybe because he punched a cop, went for his gun, then later charged him knowing his fat ass can't out run anyone? :confusedshrug:

[oh the horror]

u sound like one of the biggest bitch apologists i've ever seen lol

didn't u earlier pretend 18 yrs old was too young to see what he'd turn into? lmao 18 is pretty fukking old....talking like he was 8 and didn't know right from wrong yet :facepalm



18 is pretty old? How old are you?



If 18 is old, wtf am I, a dinosaur?

[Godzuki]

18 is pretty old? How old are you?



If 18 is old, wtf am I, a dinosaur?


we're talking about old enough to see where they're going in life...if u think 18 isn't old enough to tell, then like i said you're one extremely apologetic mf'er.

[Raymone]

18 is pretty old? How old are you?



If 18 is old, wtf am I, a dinosaur?

He's saying that's old enough for a person to be held responsible for his actions, with which I agree.

[Nick Young]

18 is pretty old? How old are you?



If 18 is old, wtf am I, a dinosaur?
So basically within an hour he strong armed a store owner and stole $140 worth of cigars, punched a police, tried to get the police's gun, then tried to charge at him, but he is still not liable for his actions?

He's too young to know what he's doing, the misguided little scamp just needed some college educating. Alas.:cry: :cry: :cry:


If you were a police and some fat 300 pound kid who had previously punched you and tried to steal your gun is charging at you, what would you do?

[ThePhantomCreep]

Bum-rushing a cop with a gun aimed at you. Sounds totally believable.

[Nick Young]

Bum-rushing a cop with a gun aimed at you. Sounds totally believable.
Well according to an eye witness who was recorded on a camera at the scene, that's exactly what happened. Brown already punched a cop and tried to take their gun, so you can tell from that he is not a smart dude/or was high as hell.

[Raymone]

Bum-rushing a cop with a gun aimed at you. Sounds totally believable.

You overestimate the intelligence of the average criminal and underestimate the power of adrenaline, testosterone and anger.

[Godzuki]

Bum-rushing a cop with a gun aimed at you. Sounds totally believable.


knowing you're getting locked up for robbery, then attacking a officer and going for his gun, then realizing you're not out running anybody, makes that very believable.

sequence of events~

[MavsSuperFan]

The store owner came out and said he didn't think it was Mike Brown on tape stealing cigars.
.

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/15/attorney-dorian-johnson-michael-brown-robbery/14118769/


FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) - The friend who was with Michael Brown when he was shot and killed by a police officer near St. Louis over the weekend is reportedly confirming that he and Brown had taken part in the theft of cigars from a convenience store that day.

That word comes from the attorney for Dorian Johnson, speaking to MSNBC. Police in Ferguson had earlier announced that Brown was suspected of taking cigars from the convenience store in what was described as a "strong-arm robbery."

Dorian Johnson has admitted the robbed the store and stole those cigars before the shooting.

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2014/08/16/nr-allen-howell-looting-in-ferguson.cnn.html
The store that Brown and Johnson robbed was looted. People are angry that store provided the tape of the robbery to the police.

All it takes is one unreasonable person to ruin that store owners life. If I was that store owner I would also be pretending they didnt rob me.

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc494/steelermia/16documents-ferguson1-superJumbo_zpsf8966673.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/08/15/nr-vo-tapper-robbery-surveillance-michael-brown.cnn.html

I dont see how a reasonable person could say that they didnt rob that store. and the owners are just scared what some in the community might do to them if they say what really happened.


And can someone please explain why Michael's wanna-be-thug persona makes it acceptable for cops to shoot him?


Anybody that makes the argument that robbing a store is enough to justify death is inhumane and crazy imo.

Thats not a real issue though, american courts will never see robbing a store as justification for death, no matter how many people do. if Dorian johnsons account is true the cop will be sentenced to jail. IMO if johnsons version is completely true, the cop is a psychopath and deserves lethal injection.


I agree, young black males that live that life style put themselves at risk, they are stupid, immature and generally speaking a detriment to society. But in my opinion that is not grounds for execution

No body reasonable/non-racist thinks otherwise. If thats what happened wilson will be convicted and should get the needle.

Wilson's version of events he shot in self defense. We will see when this goes to trial who was lying and who was telling the truth.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Well according to an eye witness who was recorded on a camera at the scene, that's exactly what happened. Brown already punched a cop and tried to take their gun, so you can tell from that he is not a smart dude/or was high as hell.

According to others, that's not what happened. But you've already decided which version to believe--the less plausible one. And we know why...

[oh the horror]

He's saying that's old enough for a person to be held responsible for his actions, with which I agree.

Yes absolutely. I'm not saying he shouldn't and obviously was held accountable since he put himself in a situation of danger which cost him his life, but old enough to determine who they've yet to become?



Malcolm X and Martin Luthor I'm pretty sure were street hustlers at that age.


Hell, at 18 I was doing some gnarly shit that I wouldn't dream of even doing now.

That was my only point. Not that he isn't old enough. He's was legally an adult and he paid for it.

[Patrick Chewing]

According to others, that's not what happened. But you've already decided which version to believe--the less plausible one. And we know why...


There are no rules of plausibility when you live a life of crime. If you're the perp suspected of a strong-armed robbery, no cop is going to attempt to apprehend you with kind, life-changing, and soul-searching words.

I'm no fan of abusive cops and I'm in favor of less government in our lives, but if you're a criminal, I have no sympathy for you.

[Raymone]

These idiots need to put down their hands and disperse.

[oh the horror]

So basically within an hour he strong armed a store owner and stole $140 worth of cigars, punched a police, tried to get the police's gun, then tried to charge at him, but he is still not liable for his actions?

He's too young to know what he's doing, the misguided little scamp just needed some college educating. Alas.:cry: :cry: :cry:


If you were a police and some fat 300 pound kid who had previously punched you and tried to steal your gun is charging at you, what would you do?



If the police officer's version is absolutely true then there's not much that could be done there. I'm not saying the kid was the sharpest knife in the drawer.

[Godzuki]

Yes absolutely. I'm not saying he shouldn't and obviously was held accountable since he put himself in a situation of danger which cost him his life, but old enough to determine who they've yet to become?



Malcolm X and Martin Luthor I'm pretty sure were street hustlers at that age.


Hell, at 18 I was doing some gnarly shit that I wouldn't dream of even doing now.

That was my only point. Not that he isn't old enough. He's was legally an adult and he paid for it.


thats just a copout excuse. u could make that argumennt for anybody who does anything bad even if they were in their 20's or 30's...its very similar to your statement before "that was someones kid"...its really just looking for excuses for him. again 18 is old enough to tell where he is going in life, if anything would've been a bigger thug most likely. the next MLK? lol :oldlol:

if he were 8-12 maybe u can make that type of emo argument.

[Godzuki]

According to others, that's not what happened. But you've already decided which version to believe--the less plausible one. And we know why...


according to those 'others', a lot of shit happened that isn't true or adds up. credibility = 0 after store video/pics + autopsy report.

[dude77]

You overestimate the intelligence of the average criminal and underestimate the power of adrenaline, testosterone and anger.

this ..

the average bystander keeps trying to inject his own perception of how he would react in such a situation in the criminal's mind which is a mistake .. a degenerate criminal doesn't think like you and won't react like you in that situation .. especially one who's insane enough to fight a cop and then try to strip his firearm .. knowing that, it's very plausible that he would charge the cop