Without Ray Allen, LeBron is 1/5?

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Loses/chokes in the finals 80% of the time and Sportscenter considers him one of the best athletes on the planet?

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[SouBeachTalents]

What do you mean, what did Ray Allen do? And WTF is 1/5?

[riseagainst]

well to be fair, being the best athlete is all about his athleticism and body of work. He's arguably the best athlete on the planet due to his genetics, but basketball player is a completely different topic.

[navy]

Tell us more Nostradmus. Ground breaking stuff here. :biggums:

[3ball]

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In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts (#1 option) on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would have done more, is wrong - 21 out of the last 24 did more.


The data shows that it's reasonable to ask Lebron to take more shots - because it WAS feasible - and since it was feasible and his team needed it, he should be blamed for not providing it.


The Heat needed it because they had the worst offense of any Spurs opponent - and even though the media ignores this fact, the Heat's offense hurt them as much as their defense.


The strengths of each team's offense affects the game's momentum (confidence, optimism, energy, adrenaline, etc.)... The Heat's bad offense and inability to answer the Spurs buckets contributed to the Spurs' momentum and the way the games progressed as much as bad defense... The Heat's defense had a harder job due to their bad offense that couldn't limit the Spurs momentum.


A more consistent effort throughout the games from Lebron would have made the difference in limiting the Spurs momentum - the only games the Heat had a chance to win were Games 1 and 2, where he was either on pace for, or actually got 35 points on 22 shots exactly - all coming when it mattered.


So people don't really know what they are talking about when they say it wouldn't have mattered if Lebron had shot more (like he did in Games 1 and 2)... Dallas, OKC and Portland all had better offenses that could limit Spurs momentum to make it easier on their defense, and consequently, they all did better vs the Spurs than the Heat.


But despite it being both feasible (4th smallest load in 24 years) and necessary (the Heat had the worst offense which hurt them as much as bad defense)), Lebron opted to continue his high efficiency, low-shot-attempt style like a fat cat on Wallstreet, hoarding his FG% and low-risk load like profits during an economic meltdown - but this approach failed to disrupt the Spurs defense or attract sufficient defensive attention to free up his teammates.


So I'll ask again - since when does a guy that didn't pass (turnovers equaled his assists) or play defense (blew his assignment on the Finals MVP) or take on a large load (4th smallest in 24 years) - so he basically just GOT HIS in a blowout loss - get to walk away without any blame?.. only when it makes monetary sense to keep up the MJ comparisons.
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[Lebronxrings]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Q-mT99HCFFI/0.jpg



http://www.bballbreakdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/kerr-shot-97.jpeg

[riseagainst]

ray allen's shot was much more crucial and tougher, i mean like 2/5 times tougher.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Q-mT99HCFFI/0.jpg



http://www.bballbreakdown.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/kerr-shot-97.jpeg

Sup Dragic

[Nuff Said]

Got damn the game ended in a ****in tie meaning every single point scored in that game in including free throws counted. When every single point counts you then can measure the players by who scored the most. But like I said, all points mattered in that game not just three.

[lilteapot]

Will there ever be a day where this forum isn't full of troll threads?

[Lebronxrings]

http://blacktopxchange.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/44b3e51d-d59d-4336-9f24-dbc3f3a0f9b4_LeBron_webgame7.gif

[Lebronxrings]

Will there ever be a day where this forum isn't full of troll threads?
this. Hopefully when the season starts, most of these kids will go back to school and jeff hands out bans. Miss intellectual discussion.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

http://blacktopxchange.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/44b3e51d-d59d-4336-9f24-dbc3f3a0f9b4_LeBron_webgame7.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kKxtSQa-4

[mehyaM24]

lebron had the best stats, bigger 4th quarters yet we're talking about role players?

does that mean jordan is 0/6 without steve kerr as john paxon? :hammerhead:

[dh144498]

ray allen's shot was much more crucial and tougher, i mean like 2/5 times tougher.

:roll:

[Jlamb47]

this. Hopefully when the season starts, most of these kids will go back to school and jeff hands out bans. Miss intellectual discussion.

If you didnt have a computer wed have 10 less posters

[Lebronxrings]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kKxtSQa-4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdIEgO2PUqE

[LongLiveTheKing]

Without Shaq Kobe would have 2 rings.

[Lebronxrings]

Without Shaq Kobe would have 2 rings.
/thread

[Jlamb47]

Without Shaq Kobe would have 2 rings.

Still 2 more than Lebron would have without Wade and Bosh

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Still 2 more than Lebron would have without Wade and Bosh

dat etherrrrrr :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Still 2 more than Lebron would have without Wade and Bosh

Shaq- 3 Finals MVP's

Wade & Bosh- 0

[russwest0]

Shaq- 3 Finals MVP's

Wade & Bosh- 0

Looks like somebody didn't watch hoops before 2011 :lol

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Looks like somebody didn't watch hoops before 2011 :lol
:lebronamazed:

[Lebronxrings]

kobe/duncan stans say allen saved him, now they're sayin bosh and wade did :lol SAD.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

kobe/duncan stans say allen saved him, now they're sayin bosh and wade did :lol SAD.

Little kid doesn't know what sunlight is and makes 10 alts :lol. Now thats SAD.

[Lebronxrings]

Shaq- 3 Finals MVP's

Wade & Bosh- 0
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[SouBeachTalents]

Looks like somebody didn't watch hoops before 2011 :lol

I'm obviously not counting the one Wade won without LeBron on his team

[russwest0]

I'm obviously not counting the one Wade won without LeBron on his team

Well if you take LeBron off the team, Wade has two FMVP's.

Thats none of my business though :lol :lol :lol :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Well if you take LeBron off the team, Wade has two FMVP's.

Thats none of my business though :lol :lol :lol :lol

Lol, LeBron obviously cost Wade the Finals MVP in 2011, but it's very debatable if the Heat make it to the Finals that year without LeBron

[r15mohd]

Lol, LeBron obviously cost Wade the Finals MVP in 2011, but it's very debatable if the Heat make it to the Finals that year without LeBron


debatable? the Heat don't make it past the 2nd round in 2011 and Chicago is the EC champs.

[Beastmode88]

Without Shaq Kobe would have 2 rings.

If Lebron didn't have Wade how many rings would Lebron have?
If Wade didn't have Lebron how many rings would wade have?

[riseagainst]

If Lebron didn't have Wade how many rings would Lebron have?
If Wade didn't have Lebron how many rings would wade have?

:oldlol:

[LongLiveTheKing]

Lebron was the best player on his championship teams just like Shaq was.
Shaq carried Kobe, deal with it

[TheMarkMadsen]

Without Shaq Kobe would have 2 rings.

Without Kobe Shaq would have only been a part of the 06 finals free throw competition & have 0 FMVPs.

[Hey Yo]

Kobe w/o Fisher

ZERO rings

[Beastmode88]

Lebron was the best player on his championship teams just like Shaq was.
Shaq carried Kobe, deal with it

So you're saying either Lebron carried Wade or Wade carried Lebron. You're pretty much in a lose lose situation. :roll:

[JT123]

debatable? the Heat don't make it past the 2nd round in 2011 and Chicago is the EC champs.
This. Wade has always sucked against the Bulls, so no way the Heat get to the Finals in 2011 without Lebron.

[Beastmode88]

This. Wade has always sucked against the Bulls, so no way the Heat get to the Finals in 2011 without Lebron.

So Lebron would still be sitting at home ringless if he didn't go to Miami? :eek: :eek:

[riseagainst]

So Lebron would still be sitting at home ringless if he didn't go to Miami? :eek: :eek:

:roll:

lose lose situation for JT. dat ether doe.

[Trollsmasher]

If two solid roleplayers signed in Miami instead of Wade, LeBron would have at least 3 rings.

Wade has been a hindrance since day 1.

[riseagainst]

If two solid roleplayers signed in Miami instead of Wade, LeBron would have at least 3 rings.

Wade has been a hindrance since day 1.

:roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

If two solid roleplayers signed in Miami instead of Wade, LeBron would have at least 3 rings.

Wade has been a hindrance since day 1.

No way they win in 2011 without Wade, or 2014 regardless, and most likely not 2012 either

[Beastmode88]

If two solid roleplayers signed in Miami instead of Wade, LeBron would have at least 3 rings.

Wade has been a hindrance since day 1.

You act like Lebron would of went to Miami without Wade. That nikka is so scared of doing post game interviews by himself and had Wade hold his hand through every one. That's some beta level shit right there. :lol :lol

[Beastmode88]

No way they win in 2011 without Wade, or 2014 regardless, and most likely not 2012 either

They wouldn't of won 2013 neither. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okK6YKj_s2o

[ArbitraryWater]

They wouldn't of won 2013 neither. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okK6YKj_s2o

So basically you pick out any great game and don't think that any other all-star could replace that, or have as many nights / off nights in single Digits like Wade?

[Beastmode88]

So basically you pick out any great game and don't think that any other all-star could replace that, or have as many nights / off nights in single Digits like Wade?

You mean the game where if they didn't have Wade they would of been down 1-3? Why didn't Lebron take over the game or game 5 or game 6 for that matter? He tried in game 6 and missed back to back shots. Without Bosh = no rebound and assist to Ray Allen. FMVP asterisk as well.

[ArbitraryWater]

:sleeping

I should stay away from the main board as long as Jeff stays an ass that won't give anyone ban powers

[Trollsmasher]

Maybe if Wade showed up for a single PO game before that one, LeBron would not have been so freaking tired:lol

[Beastmode88]

Maybe if Wade showed up for a single PO game before that one, LeBron would not have been so freaking tired:lol

No endurance or stamina to play 48 minutes? Where was the effort? :confusedshrug:

[russwest0]

If Lebron didn't have Wade how many rings would Lebron have?
If Wade didn't have Lebron how many rings would wade have?

Wade would have one, maybe two rings.

LeBron obviously has zero.

[Soundwave]

Yes no question.

Spurs pissed that title away, one of the rare times Popovich made the wrong call.

[Lebron23]

The better team won the series.

[Beastmode88]

The better team won the series.

Who the cavs? :oldlol:

[Real14]

Lebron would be 1*/5

[pauk]

Without Boobie/Allen/Bosh, LeBron is 0/5?
Without Fisher/Artest/Horry/Gasol/Shaq, Kobe is 0/7?
Without Pippen/Kerr/Paxson, Jordan is 0/6?
Without Maxwell/Dennis/Mchale/Ainge, Bird is 0/5?
Without Worthy/Kareem etc. Magic is 0/9?
Without *insert names*, *insert name* is x / x ?

Yes....

[SouBeachTalents]

Without Boobie/Allen/Bosh, LeBron is 0/5?
Without Fisher/Artest/Horry/Gasol/Shaq, Kobe is 0/7?
Without Pippen/Kerr/Paxson, Jordan is 0/6?
Without Maxwell/Dennis/Mchale/Ainge, Bird is 0/5?
Without *insert names*, *insert name* is x / x ?

Yes....

:biggums:

How does Boobie get mentioned but not Wade

[pauk]

:biggums:

How does Boobie get mentioned but not Wade

Because Boobie was believe it or not Lebrons best teammate/2nd most important player for Cavs in that ECF leading to Lebrons first Finals, he hit alot of 3's, gotta represent. :P But yes, Wade to, Miller to, Chalmers to, Spoelstra to.... bla bla bla to... anybody can be mentioned....

Point is this is a team game and a championship is the biggest team accomplishment, you are 0 of 0 without your teammates.

[Mr Feeny]

Because Boobie was believe it or not Lebrons best teammate/2nd most important player for Cavs in that ECF leading to Lebrons first Finals, he hit alot of 3's, gotta represent. :P
Saved Lebron's ass. Superstar Boobie Gibson.

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

LeBron can't do it without D-Wade.

[Angel Face]

Yep, sad but true. One of the best gifted athletes of our generation, turns out to be a choking balding fa990t. :(

[pauk]

Saved Lebron's ass. Superstar Boobie Gibson.

Yea...!

scored a basket = reffs saved him, he traveled.
hit a gamewinner = bad opponents/defense saved him
scored alot of points = see above
wins a championship = saved by teammates + see above
wins MVP = popularity contest, Durant/Kobe/Whatever were just coasting + see above

i mean damn... dunno why he even bothers right? Its not like you can say this about any other top 10 great...... surely none of them for example ever witnessed a teammate helping them out for a millisecond at any time, hell even if that was about to happen they would run over and block their teammates shots so it wouldnt look like they got bailed out and so on, they did it all completely alone 24-7 out of sheer single dominance.... thats why Lebron aint top 10!

[Real14]

Saved Lebron's ass. Superstar Boobie Gibson.
Yea boobie definitely saved lebron making all those threes and people want to forget about that shit:coleman:

[Mr Feeny]

LeBron can't do it without D-Wade.

Can't beat Wade's 16 ppg. Really carried Bran.

[pauk]

Can't beat Wade's 16 ppg. Really carried Bran.

He got carried dude! Heat would have -16 points without Wade so.... owned! :banana:


acting like a Lebron butthurtian is fun lol

[SouBeachTalents]

Yea...!

scored a basket = reffs saved him, he traveled.
hit a gamewinner = bad opponents/defense saved him
scored alot of points = see above
wins a championship = saved by teammates + see above
wins MVP = popularity contest, Durant/Kobe/Whatever were just coasting + see above

i mean damn... dunno why he even bothers right? Its not like you can say this about any other top 10 great...... surely none of them for example ever witnessed a teammate helping them out for a millisecond at any time, hell even if that was about to happen they would run over and block their teammates shots so it wouldnt look like they got bailed out and so on, they did it all completely alone 24-7 out of sheer single dominance.... thats why Lebron aint top 10!

:applause: According to this board, he's apparently the only player in NBA history whose rings are all "tainted"

[Mr Feeny]

He got carried dude! Heat would have -16 points without Wade so.... owned! :banana:


acting like a Lebron butthurtian is fun lol

Oh absolutely:applause:

[pauk]

:applause: According to this board, he's apparently the only player in NBA history who's rings are all "tainted"

Yes! :applause: He should just freakin quit man? What can he do tho... he here... we just have to deal with all his tainted & statpadded points, rebs, assists, blocks, steals, turnovers, %'s, mvps, fmvps, rings, milestones etc. etc. :banghead:

Dunno bro... maybe we can just act like anything he does/achieves is fake? Like a movie or some shit? Cuz i mean nobody can be THAT good right? I mean shit he is on pace to become top 2-3 (or maybe even GOAT?) with all the stuff he is achieving.... the GOAT cheater.... we cant let that happen, he needs to be shot or something...

[thefatmiral]

without a ginobili meltdown , he would be

[BuffaloBill]

I think the Spurs losing in the finals added fuel to their fire. I'm a Spurs fan, while they have been dominant these past two years, I'm not sure if they would have repeated after winning last year. There is absolutely no way to know.