Eating a low fat diet to lose weight will make you fatter ..

[IamRAMBO24]

Why?

You still got carbs and sugar to deal with. That's what makes you fat.

If counting calories truly does work, then why are the majority of the population fat? Simple logic. Sugar causes cravings; carbs hold water and store the fat. If you are just eating fat alone without the sugar and carbs, then your body will be in a state of ketosis and it will burn the fat. This is what we commonly refer to as a "high metabolism." If you have carbs in your diet, then the body will use it for energy first and foremost while the fat gets stored away, which makes exercise harder, and on top of that, you are addicted to food because you are addicted to the sugar that's in it, which is a recipe for disaster.

Anyways, I've studied this to the core, tried the low carb diet, and within a week I've lost 10 pounds. This is how the caveman used to do it; this is how our diet should be.

[KyleKong]

Why?

You still got carbs and sugar to deal with. That's what makes you fat.

If counting calories truly does work, then why are the majority of the population fat? Simple logic. Sugar causes cravings; carbs hold water and store the fat. If you are just eating fat alone without the sugar and carbs, then your body will be in a state of ketosis and it will burn the fat. This is what we commonly refer to as a "high metabolism." If you have carbs in your diet, then the body will use it for energy first and foremost while the fat gets stored away, which makes exercise harder, and on top of that, you are addicted to food because you are addicted to the sugar that's in it, which is a recipe for disaster.

Anyways, I've studied this to the core, tried the low carb diet, and within a week I've lost 10 pounds. This is how the caveman used to do it; this is how our diet should be.

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[chosen_one6]

Why?

You still got carbs and sugar to deal with. That's what makes you fat.

If counting calories truly does work, then why are the majority of the population fat? Simple logic. Sugar causes cravings; carbs hold water and store the fat. If you are just eating fat alone without the sugar and carbs, then your body will be in a state of ketosis and it will burn the fat. This is what we commonly refer to as a "high metabolism." If you have carbs in your diet, then the body will use it for energy first and foremost while the fat gets stored away, which makes exercise harder, and on top of that, you are addicted to food because you are addicted to the sugar that's in it, which is a recipe for disaster.

Anyways, I've studied this to the core, tried the low carb diet, and within a week I've lost 10 pounds. This is how the caveman used to do it; this is how our diet should be.

Taking in more calories than you burn will make you fatter.

You can eat a low fat diet and still lose weight.

[riseagainst]

extra calories is what makes you fat. It's so easy to understand.

[Bandito]

Op is right but you also nneed to ingest at least 1800 calories if youre a couch potato because if not your body will deteriorate little by bit.

[Godzuki]

Why?

You still got carbs and sugar to deal with. That's what makes you fat.

If counting calories truly does work, then why are the majority of the population fat? Simple logic. Sugar causes cravings; carbs hold water and store the fat. If you are just eating fat alone without the sugar and carbs, then your body will be in a state of ketosis and it will burn the fat. This is what we commonly refer to as a "high metabolism." If you have carbs in your diet, then the body will use it for energy first and foremost while the fat gets stored away, which makes exercise harder, and on top of that, you are addicted to food because you are addicted to the sugar that's in it, which is a recipe for disaster.

Anyways, I've studied this to the core, tried the low carb diet, and within a week I've lost 10 pounds. This is how the caveman used to do it; this is how our diet should be.


what are/were u eating specifically for the week?

[IamRAMBO24]

extra calories is what makes you fat. It's so easy to understand.

You obviously don't understand sh*t. Carbs and sugar are what makes you fat. If your body is in ketosis and burning the fat, then you can eat a lot more calories. When you do this, you're full. You're not constantly craving for food, so it's not just a matter about taking in the calories; it's also about satiety and metabolism. Carbs hold water and store the fat and sugar slows down your metabolism and gives you hunger pangs.

Sure in the end it's all about calories stored but that is such an elementary way of looking at it. Go read some more health books rookie.

[IamRAMBO24]

what are/were u eating specifically for the week?

Meat, salad, fruit and nuts. This is the staple of our diet for thousands of years and there's a reason why our ancestors are so skinny: they ate very little sugar and refined carbs. Carbs in fruits and vegetables are good for you, but the carbs that are going to make you fat are the ones in all the junk food, cereal, bread, and pasta you eat.

Since I am now burning fat instead of carbs, I literally lose a couple of pounds when I exercise. Before I was using all my energy burning the carbs; little did I know, all I had to do was eat less carbs and voila!

[IamRAMBO24]

You can eat a low fat diet and still lose weight.

Not entirely true. If you don't control your sugar intake, you are going to binge on food. If you eat more carbs than fat, then your body will take in whatever fat that goes in your body and holds every ounce of water. When you exercise, you are releasing the water and carbs and only during intense workouts will you burn the fat, but at this point, you'll be so tired from your low fat diet you won't get very far.

If a low fat diet truly works, then 90% of the population would be skinny by now. If millions are trying the same method and only a small percentage succeed, then you have to look at the method instead of blaming the people who don't succeed.

[IamRAMBO24]

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How did he lose the weight in less than 2 months?

1. By cutting down the carbs in his diet, his body is no longer holding excessive water and fat. This is why his face is much thinner.

2. Since his body is now burning fat instead of carbs, he can eat a lot more calories and still lose weight because of his high metabolism. This in turn makes him full, and since he is lowering the carbs, he is also lowering his sugar, thus he does not crave food anymore and only eats when he is hungry.

[Boarder Patrol]

Your body stores fat when it takes in more calories than it burns in a day. Your body loses fat when it takes in less calories than it burns in a day.

Any other explanation is wrong.

[IamRAMBO24]

Your body stores fat when it takes in more calories than it burns in a day. Your body loses fat when it takes in less calories than it burns in a day.

Any other explanation is wrong.

If you eat carbs, your body doesn't burn the fat. Your body burns the carbs. Why are you guys so f*ckin simple minded?

[dr.hee]

I've studied this to the core, tried the low carb diet, and within a week I've lost 10 pounds.

You've lost 10 pounds within a week? Probably due to excessive rambling on ISH :applause:

The low carb/high ramble diet?

[IamRAMBO24]

You've lost 10 pounds within a week? Probably due to excessive rambling on ISH :applause:

The low carb/high ramble diet?

All I ate was your mom's pussssy, and then a major workout, naked, on your bed.

[dr.hee]

Why?

You still got carbs and sugar to deal with. That's what makes you fat.

If counting calories truly does work, then why are the majority of the population fat? Simple logic. Sugar causes cravings; carbs hold water and store the fat. If you are just eating fat alone without the sugar and carbs, then your body will be in a state of ketosis and it will burn the fat. This is what we commonly refer to as a "high metabolism." If you have carbs in your diet, then the body will use it for energy first and foremost while the fat gets stored away, which makes exercise harder, and on top of that, you are addicted to food because you are addicted to the sugar that's in it, which is a recipe for disaster.

Anyways, I've studied this to the core, tried the low carb diet, and within a week I've lost 10 pounds. This is how the caveman used to do it; this is how our diet should be.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3HemKGDavw

:cheers:

[knickballer]

The Caveman diet is glorious :cheers:

But the reason most people are fat is because they processed shit and too much sweets.

[Boarder Patrol]

If you eat carbs, your body doesn't burn the fat. Your body burns the carbs. Why are you guys so f*ckin simple minded?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Ignore list.

[Boarder Patrol]

There's no such thing as "burning carbs" or "burning fat." Your body burns ENERGY, which you take in as calories. Burn more energy than you take in, weight loss.

These diets that have you eat low fat/carbs/sugar whatever are all convoluted (and sometimes effective) ways of getting you to take in less calories.

[LBJ 23]

OP you are wrong. Completely wrong. I won't even go into details but on deficit it's all about calories in calories out. I will say just this about storing carbs as a fat on your body. When you're in a deficit and after some time you decide to refeed (go over your maintenance level with calories) it's actually better to eat more carbs and limit the fats. In surplus carbs can be stored as glycogen reserves in your muscles while fats can be stored only as a fat on your body.

[IamRAMBO24]

OP you are wrong. Completely wrong. I won't even go into details but on deficit it's all about calories in calories out. I will say just this about storing carbs as a fat on your body. When you're in a deficit and after some time you decide to refeed (go over your maintenance level with calories) it's actually better to eat more carbs and limit the fats. In surplus carbs can be stored as glycogen reserves in your muscles while fats can be stored only as a fat on your body.

The body has 2 delivery system. Carbs are the first option delivered as glucose, but if the body is low in carbs, it will be in a state of ketosis. In ketosis, you will burn more fat.

I understand the food industry is a multi-trillion dollar monopoly, so I understand there are a lot of money behind carbs and sugar, but look at the results. I'm not a doctor, but it's pretty self evident the way we've been eating or taught to lose weight isn't very effective.

Look at the way the caveman ate. I don't see any obesity epidemic. It's simple logic.

[IamRAMBO24]

There's no such thing as "burning carbs" or "burning fat." Your body burns ENERGY, which you take in as calories. Burn more energy than you take in, weight loss.

These diets that have you eat low fat/carbs/sugar whatever are all convoluted (and sometimes effective) ways of getting you to take in less calories.

If your body is in ketosis and burning fat, then you can eat more calories. This is why a low fat diet does not work: you are depriving yourself of calories, thus making your body hungry and in fight or flight mode. When it is in this mode, it is hard to control what you eat.

The science is there. The problem is you guys won't believe it because you've been raised to believe it's all about counting calories and the carbs and sugar don't matter.

[LBJ 23]

No offense but there is no point discussing this topic with you. I will say only this, you losing 10 pounds in 1 week means that you lost mostly water and some muscle with minimal amount of fat. You know that bodybuilders try to lose around 1 pound per week because that's optimal and if you lose more than that it usually means that you're also losing muscle tissue which is heavier than fat. So you losing 10 pounds in a week is a proof of a stupid approach to cutting weight while trying to maintain muscle, and losing mostly water and some muscle and minimal amount of fat.

[IamRAMBO24]

No offense but there is no point discussing this topic with you. I will say only this, you losing 10 pounds in 1 week means that you lost mostly water and some muscle with minimal amount of fat. You know that bodybuilders try to lose around 1 pound per week because that's optimal and if you lose more than that it usually means that you're also losing muscle tissue which is heavier than fat. So you losing 10 pounds in a week is a proof of a stupid approach to cutting weight while trying to maintain muscle, and losing mostly water and some muscle and minimal amount of fat.

No by cutting back my carb and sugar, I am burning fat and not just carbs, and I will continue to stay fit and lose weight as long as my carbs don't exceed my fat intake.

It's not just about counting calories; ketosis is the real deal.

And yes, you can't argue with me because you haven't done the research. Trust me, what you are preaching is common knowledge everybody has learn since elementary school.

You can't keep on doing the same thing and expect different results. If you want to lose weight, you have to take a different approach.

[macmac]

First of all, the 10lbs you lost in a week is all water weight. It's easy to lose that kind of weight at first when you're a useless fat beached whale, whose pitiful list of hobbies only involve minimal finger and wrist movements at most.

Second of all, as everyone else said, it's all about calorie intake. If some new "revolutionary" new diet works for you on the first week because you can finally see the tip of your flaccid skin, doesn't mean it's the One Right Solution and you will probably give up on it within the month because you are weak and powerless.

Eating healthy with the right proportions from each food group and keeping track of calories is the way to be healthy in the long term. No fads. And you can treat yourself whenever you want, as long as you generally follow a low calorie regiment.

[IamRAMBO24]

First of all, the 10lbs you lost in a week is all water weight. It's easy to lose that kind of weight at first when you're a useless fat beached whale, whose pitiful list of hobbies only involve minimal finger and wrist movements at most.

Second of all, as everyone else said, it's all about calorie intake. If some new "revolutionary" new diet works for you on the first week because you can finally see the tip of your flaccid skin, doesn't mean it's the One Right Solution and you will probably give up on it within the month because you are weak and powerless.

Eating healthy with the right proportions from each food group and keeping track of calories is the way to be healthy in the long term. No fads. And you can treat yourself whenever you want, as long as you generally follow a low calorie regiment.

Again, I understand this, but what you don't understand is it's not just water weight I'm losing, it's fat also. In ketosis, you're burning fat. If you are eating a high carb, high sugar diet, you're preventing yourself from burning fat: the first thing your body is going to burn are the carbs, and if you look at the nutrition of most of the foods we eat, the carbs are higher than the fat, so essentially your body will have to work two times harder to shed the pounds.

Then you add the huge amount of sugar and your body can't efficiently burn anything since it screws with your metabolism and gives you hunger pangs that will make you eat more.

It is not just a matter of keeping track of calories homeboy; you gotta take the carbs and sugars in consideration too because that is truly what is making you fat, not the calories.

[macmac]

Again, I understand this, but what you don't understand is it's not just water weight I'm losing, it's fat also. In ketosis, you're burning fat. If you are eating a high carb, high sugar diet, you're preventing yourself from burning fat: the first thing your body is going to burn are the carbs, and if you look at the nutrition of most of the foods we eat, the carbs are higher than the fat, so essentially your body will have to work two times harder to shed the pounds.

Then you add the huge amount of sugar and your body can't efficiently burn anything since it screws with your metabolism and gives you hunger pangs that will make you eat more.

It is not just a matter of keeping track of calories homeboy; you gotta take the carbs and sugars in consideration too because that is truly what is making you fat, not the calories.


What youre saying doesnt make sense though. You keep talking about how sugar will give you hunger pangs that will make you eat more. But if you count your calories it doesnt matter because you won't eat over 2k calories or wtv, so its irrelevant.

Of course you should be eating healthy while also counting your calories. So your body can actually be healthy, not just thin. I try not to eat bread and get my carbs from fruits, or small portions of rice pasta or couscous for example. I make sure i get my veggies and eat lean protein like fish and chicken. But i dont restrict myself in any one time of way, i dont eliminate any food groups. And you can't argue that if you want to lose weight, the best way is to monitor your calories. It works 100% of the time. Energy in, energy out. Fact. The rest of this stuff might work for you great. But how long can you maintain something that's restrictive?

I've been eating under 2300 calories a day for like 6 months now and Im in the best shape of my life. Went from 210 to 185. Now im planning to up it to 3300cal per day and get on a nice clean bulk. My only restriction? try to generally eat healthy and prepare my own food.

[shlver]

Again, I understand this, but what you don't understand is it's not just water weight I'm losing, it's fat also. In ketosis, you're burning fat. If you are eating a high carb, high sugar diet, you're preventing yourself from burning fat: the first thing your body is going to burn are the carbs, and if you look at the nutrition of most of the foods we eat, the carbs are higher than the fat, so essentially your body will have to work two times harder to shed the pounds.

Then you add the huge amount of sugar and your body can't efficiently burn anything since it screws with your metabolism and gives you hunger pangs that will make you eat more.

It is not just a matter of keeping track of calories homeboy; you gotta take the carbs and sugars in consideration too because that is truly what is making you fat, not the calories.
Wrong. Everybody is in some degree of ketosis. Your body metabolises muscle glycogen before any significant fatty acid metabolism.

[IamRAMBO24]

Wrong. Everybody is in some degree of ketosis. Your body metabolises muscle glycogen before any significant fatty acid metabolism.

The primary fuel we have in our body is carbs in the form of glucose. It is not the same thing as ketosis. If everybody was in ketosis, nobody would be fat. You see that skinny guy who eats a lot but never gets fat? That's ketosis. The secret is he's not eating a lot of carbs and sugar. The only way the body will be in ketosis is if all the glucose is used up. So what does that mean? Sugar and carbs are blocking the body from burning the fat.

Caveman diet is by far superior to modern diet, and no, it's not because they happen to exercise more.

[IamRAMBO24]

What youre saying doesnt make sense though. You keep talking about how sugar will give you hunger pangs that will make you eat more. But if you count your calories it doesnt matter because you won't eat over 2k calories or wtv, so its irrelevant.

Of course you should be eating healthy while also counting your calories. So your body can actually be healthy, not just thin. I try not to eat bread and get my carbs from fruits, or small portions of rice pasta or couscous for example. I make sure i get my veggies and eat lean protein like fish and chicken. But i dont restrict myself in any one time of way, i dont eliminate any food groups. And you can't argue that if you want to lose weight, the best way is to monitor your calories. It works 100% of the time. Energy in, energy out. Fact. The rest of this stuff might work for you great. But how long can you maintain something that's restrictive?

I've been eating under 2300 calories a day for like 6 months now and Im in the best shape of my life. Went from 210 to 185. Now im planning to up it to 3300cal per day and get on a nice clean bulk. My only restriction? try to generally eat healthy and prepare my own food.

It's not just about energy in/ energy out. Your body has to metabolize those energies too. If you put gas in your car and it doesn't drive, then the gas stays in there. Same thing with fat; if your metabolism is loaded with sugar and carbs, then you're not going to burn that fat no matter how little you eat or watch what you are eating.

If you are losing weight on a diet, then congratulations, but it truly is a rare feat.

[shlver]

The primary fuel we have in our body is carbs in the form of glucose. It is not the same thing as ketosis. If everybody was in ketosis, nobody would be fat. You see that skinny guy who eats a lot but never gets fat? That's ketosis. The secret is he's not eating a lot of carbs and sugar. The only way the body will be in ketosis is if all the glucose is used up. So what does that mean? Sugar and carbs are blocking the body from burning the fat.

Caveman diet is by far superior to modern diet, and no, it's not because they happen to exercise more.
You didn't even understand my point as per usual.
No ketosis is defined as elevated levels of ketone bodies in the bloodstream. Ketone body production is regulated by concentration of acetyl coa in the mitochondrial matrix. EVERYBODY around you has some accumulation of acetyl coa and therefore has some amount of ketone bodies in their blood.
When your body is low on glucose, your body derives it from other carbon sources, FIRST from muscle glycogen which increases the hormone glucagon as muscle glycogen is used up. Glucagon then signals beta oxidation(fatty acid metabolism) which in turn increases acetyl coa concentration and and then signals ketone body production.

Now generally speaking, elevated levels of ketone bodies is indicative of a diseased state and extended periods of fatty acid metabolism(that could result from long term ketogenic diets) could lead to dangerous levels of ketone body concentration and eventually, ketoacidosis.
Significant levels of ketosis and fatty acid metabolism only occur during starvation and extended periods of fat only diets.

Your body needs glucose, especially your brain and red blood cells because they can only use glucose. You will lose weight if you watch your caloric intake, exercise, and have a healthy, balanced diet consisting of complex plant carbohydrates, simple animal carbohydrates, lean meats and healthy animal fats. You don't have to buy into ridiculous diets that limit all carb intake.

[joe]

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After receiving the paleo cookbook gifts, I did more digging. I was led to Mark’s Daily Apple, Paleohacks, and Nom Nom Paleo – and I was off and running. On a daily basis I was consulting these websites and my secret coaches and now nutritionist on Facebook.

I was focused, determined, and positively neurotic.

And it happened… magic… over the course of the year, I literally shed over 100 pounds, gained strength, and so much more.

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In April of 2013, I weighed 314 pounds. I was wearing a size 24 pant, and a 26/28 top. I only shopped at Lane Bryant or online plus sized stores. I was far from confident and happy… Today, I weighed in at 210, and I own three pairs of pants that are size 12 and one shirt with a collar that fits!



http://www.marksdailyapple.com/what-a-difference-110-pounds-makes/#axzz37aAHnoZk

By the way, this is a diet that encourages you to eat however much food you want, as often as you want, as long as you avoid grains/foods with added sugar/overly processed food. So she didnt just starve herself and eat a steak at night.

[TheNaturalWR]

No offense but there is no point discussing this topic with you. I will say only this, you losing 10 pounds in 1 week means that you lost mostly water and some muscle with minimal amount of fat. You know that bodybuilders try to lose around 1 pound per week because that's optimal and if you lose more than that it usually means that you're also losing muscle tissue which is heavier than fat. So you losing 10 pounds in a week is a proof of a stupid approach to cutting weight while trying to maintain muscle, and losing mostly water and some muscle and minimal amount of fat.

This or he was an obese ****. People are still stuck in the old ways of eating completely healthy to lose weight. They need to wake the **** up and realize it's complete bullshit. Eat whatever you want as long as you can control yourself and be at a caloric deficit you'll lose weight no matter what. It's physics. Your body runs on carbs, fats, and protein why deplete yourself of one of these when you could simply just eat less?

edit: And I also routinely ate 200-300g of carbs on my cut and I was still burning fat, leaning out, and still got to my 29 inch waist.

[shlver]

The metabolic cascade that occurs from extended withdrawals of carbs is much more complicated than the second paragraph I posted. The point I was making was the need for glucose is met by other carbon sources(proteins, glycogen, glycerol, lactate, etc) before any fatty acid metabolism occurs.

[ballup]

It's not impossible to lose 10 pounds in a week. I've done it before. I mean ya, I was really sick and had terrible diarrhea, but I still did it. Haters.

[J Shuttlesworth]

This is only true if you are replacing calories from fat for calories form empty carbs.

Low fat diet should mean low fat, and low empty carbs. Drinking soda has no fat, but nobody associates it with low fat diets.

[joe]

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I lived in pain for the next several years with my knees and every other joint in my body. I felt like a 90 year old everyday! It hurt to even get out of bed.

So a friend of mine suggested in 2012 that I talk to a doctor in the Twin Cities. This is where the CAVEMAN diet came in and saved my life! I still was in shock that I could not have chocolate! I was like what??? REALLY! But I got over that in a hurry when my doctor told me that if I cheat I have to start over again! I was like no way!

So it was a day-to-day basis thing. About two month into it my knees did not hurt as much. My mood was getting better. I was happier!

I have been sitting at a good weight of 200 lbs. I bike ride and/or walk everyday! I can bend down and tie my shoes without having to prop my foot up!! Little things!

One other thing is I have been painkiller free for the better half of a year with not Advil, Motrin, or Tylenol. I was at about 8-12 pills a day before I started this journey!

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/little-by-little-one-will-travel-far/#axzz2wXv8Rngw

[IamRAMBO24]

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http://www.marksdailyapple.com/what-a-difference-110-pounds-makes/#axzz37aAHnoZk

By the way, this is a diet that encourages you to eat however much food you want, as often as you want, as long as you avoid grains/foods with added sugar/overly processed food. So she didnt just starve herself and eat a steak at night.


You are exactly right.

I don't mean to be an a*s or pompous about the whole thing, but I think a lot of people have a misconception of food. It's really not their fault. The food industry is a huge industry and they make a lot of money selling sugar and fattening foods, so the truth about weight loss is hidden from the general public.

They're told to watch their calories, but really, they need to watch their sugar and carb intake. The people in the pictures aren't starving themselves. All they did was cut out the sugar and carbs and just ate unprocessed foods. That's it. They're not even counting calories or buying low fat foods.

[shlver]

You are exactly right.

I don't mean to be an a*s or pompous about the whole thing, but I think a lot of people have a misconception of food. It's really not their fault. The food industry is a huge industry and they make a lot of money selling sugar and fattening foods, so the truth about weight loss is hidden from the general public.

They're told to watch their calories, but really, they need to watch their sugar and carb intake. The people in the pictures aren't starving themselves. All they did was cut out the sugar and carbs and just ate unprocessed foods. That's it. They're not even counting calories or buying low fat foods.
Yes, they cut out all refined carbs and started eating what we evolved to eat. Carbohydrates are definietly part of our evolutionary diet. Why is glucose a universal carbon energy source for nearly all tissues and cells in our body?

[IamRAMBO24]

It's really not that complicated:

Eat more calories than you burn (~500 unused calories = 1lb of fat) = gain weight
Burn more calories than you eat = Lose weight

It takes over 20% more energy to burn carbs and 3x less to burn fat. Carbs have calories too. So if you eat a cupcake low in fat but high in carbs, that is still more calories your body will need to work than say if you were to eat a sausage and egg that have no carbs. You have to factor the sugar too, which slows down the burn rate and increases hunger pangs.

Again, it's not the calories from fat that makes you gain weight, it's the carbs and sugar. A truly effective diet plan (like the plan the people in Joe's pictures are using) would be more concern with the sugar and carb and not the calories.

[J Shuttlesworth]

It takes over 20% more energy to burn carbs and 3x less to burn fat. Carbs have calories too. So if you eat a cupcake low in fat but high in carbs, that is still more calories your body will need to work than say if you were to eat a sausage and egg that have no carbs. You have to factor the sugar too, which slows down the burn rate and increases hunger pangs.

Again, it's not the calories from fat that makes you gain weight, it's the carbs and sugar. A truly effective diet plan (like the plan the people in Joe's pictures are using) would be more concern with the sugar and carb and not the calories.
who the **** eats cupcakes to lose weight? Should be eating complex carbs regardless of your goals

[IamRAMBO24]

Yes, they cut out all refined carbs and started eating what we evolved to eat. Carbohydrates are definietly part of our evolutionary diet. Why is glucose a universal carbon energy source for nearly all tissues and cells in our body?

Actually fat is a better energy source than glucose because when you have it in excess it can lead to a plethora of problems such as obesity and diabetes.

When you convert your body to burning fat instead of glucose, common sense dictates you will get skinnier and healthier. Why would you want to burn glucose? It does nothing for the body; when you replenish it, you are going to crave more of it, whereas with fat, you'll get skinnier and won't be so chemically dependent on a sugar high.

[IamRAMBO24]

Great article:


The Faulty Carb Paradigm “Logic” Goes Something Like This

The basic underlying assumption is that glucose is the preferred fuel of most cells; BUT, because we can’t store very much glucose (as glycogen in liver and muscles), we need to provide a continuous source of glucose in the form of exogenous carbohydrate (high carb meals) to keep the brain, blood, and certain organs humming along and the muscles primed for activity. AND, if we don’t feed ourselves enough carbohydrate every few hours, our blood sugar will drop and we’ll go into “starvation mode” and cannibalize our precious muscle tissue. AND any lack of regular glucose refilling (i.e. skipping a meal or fasting) will cause cortisol to rise, which will have additional deleterious effects. FURTHERMORE, an excess of glucose in the bloodstream is known to raise insulin and will predispose excess calories (from all sources) to be stored as fat. THEREFORE, we should also be doing a lot of moderate-to-heavy cardio or lifting activity most days to burn off this excess stored body fat. HOWEVER, if we want to be ready and able to exercise frequently and strenuously to burn off our stored fat, we need to eat lots of complex carbohydrates between workouts to refill our glycogen stores. And ULTIMATELY, the only way to lose weight is to restrict calories (calories in<calories out), BUT if you’re working out regularly, it’s almost impossible to maintain a calorie-restricted regimen and still be able to work out hard enough to burn appreciable calories. Sheesh.

That's a lot of work. Why not just eat like a caveman and skip all the hassle and bullsh*t?

[LBJ 23]

who the **** eats cupcakes to lose weight? Should be eating complex carbs regardless of your goals


I doo right now. And cookies. And icecream, snickers, twix you name it, drink beer or wine with friends for the weekends. I just follow my macros and calories very carefully and try to limit those foods to around 10-15% of my intake. That's because right now I'm losing fat on relatively high calories around 2700, when I will cut those calories lower, the quantity of the foods I listed above will quickly decrease and when I'm around 2000 calories per day, those foods will be almost non-existant in my diet.

[shlver]

Actually fat is a better energy source than glucose because when you have it in excess it can lead to a plethora of problems such as obesity and diabetes.

When you convert your body to burning fat instead of glucose, common sense dictates you will get skinnier and healthier. Why would you want to burn glucose? It does nothing for the body; when you replenish it, you are going to crave more of it, whereas with fat, you'll get skinnier and won't be so chemically dependent on a sugar high.
:roll: your understanding of human metabolism is that of a middle schooler. Glucose does nothing for the body? YOUR BRAIN WILL DIE WITHOUT GLUCOSE.
What a waste of time.

[IamRAMBO24]

I doo right now. And cookies. And icecream, snickers, twix you name it, drink beer or wine with friends for the weekends. I just follow my macros and calories very carefully and try to limit those foods to around 10-15% of my intake. That's because right now I'm losing fat on realtively high calories around 2700, when I will cut those calories lower, the quantity of the foods I listed above will quickly decrease and when I'm around 2000 calories per day, those foods will be almost non-existant in my diet.

When you lose weight, you will regain it. You don't want to put the body in deprivation mode; it's going to crave that sugar and carb 2x worse than when you begin. It's call "sugar withdrawal." It is an addiction; we should see it as that. Abstinence is the only way to go. Go caveman or go home.

[IamRAMBO24]

:roll: your understanding of human metabolism is that of a middle schooler. Glucose does nothing for the body? YOUR BRAIN WILL DIE WITHOUT GLUCOSE.
What a waste of time.

I meant keep it at a range that is necessary and not to be overly dependent on it. This is the state of ketosis.

[IamRAMBO24]

Man eats 5,800 calories a day on a low carb/sugar, high fat diet.

http://www.dietdoctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/feltham.jpg

http://www.dietdoctor.com/what-happens-if-you-eat-5800-calories-daily-on-an-lchf-diet

[IamRAMBO24]

Morgan Spurlock:

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He ate at Mcdonald's where the foods are rich in sugar and carbs. He actually ate less calories than the man above and gained 24 lbs.

[tpols]

rambo's right.

[secund2nun]

extra calories is what makes you fat. It's so easy to understand.

Not all calories are the same. Calories from refined carbs like grain and white, brown sugar are far worse.

Go on a low carb high fat diet and see what happens.

Fat does not make you fat. Refined carbs do.

Fat making people fat is one of the biggest myths out there. Also dietary cholesterol has very little impact on blood cholesterol...refined carbs are what make your bad/good cholesterol levels bad (but that is a whole another story)

[ThePhantomCreep]

Man eats 5,800 calories a day on a low carb/sugar, high fat diet.

http://www.dietdoctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/feltham.jpg

http://www.dietdoctor.com/what-happens-if-you-eat-5800-calories-daily-on-an-lchf-diet

Dude claims he ate 2,700 calories above his maintenance intake DAILY for 21 straight days with no weight gains. I call bullshit. Either he's under estimating his BMR and/or he's burning a ton of calories through exercise (and not mentioning it). 2700 calories is what your typical grown ass 190 pounder needs to eat to maintain his weight.

[IamRAMBO24]

Dude claims he ate 2,700 calories above his maintenance intake DAILY for 21 straight days with no weight gains. I call bullshit. Either he's under estimating his BMR and/or he's burning a ton of calories through exercise (and not mentioning it). 2700 calories is what your typical grown ass 190 pounder needs to eat to maintain his weight.

His body is not burning glucose; it is burning fat. When you eat foods with carbs and sugar, your body will use those first, once those are depleted, it will start burning Triglycerides, which is stored excess calories. For you to actually burn fat, you will have to do some major intensive workouts to get to a calorie deficit.

Whereas, if you eat a low carb, high fat diet, your body will readjust itself and target the fat first.

If you eat sugar and carbs, you have to go through 3 stages to finally get to the fat:

1. Carbs
2. Triglycerides
3. Calorie deficit
4. Store fat

If you eat like a caveman, you will jump straight to #4. That is why the guy can eat close to 6,000 calories and still maintain his weight without any exercise.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

dude, in order to burn fat, body turns it into glucose to be able to burn it. body can ONLY burn glucose for energy. triglycerides are broken down into fatty acids and glycerol via lypolosys. Fatty acids are converted into Acetyl-CoA by beta oxidation and Glycerol goes through glycolosys to get converted into Acetyl-CoA. Then Acetyl-CoA enters as the starting point for the kerbs cycle which results in ATP (your energy molecule) production.

[Im Still Ballin]

How does it relate to hormones and such? Testosterone levels?

Is it practical for weight lifting?

[IamRAMBO24]

dude, in order to burn fat, body turns it into glucose to be able to burn it. body can ONLY burn glucose for energy.

Educate me. I thought the people who are keto-adapted will burn fat as their main source of energy. I know we need glucose to fuel the brain, but it doesn't have to be the primary source of fuel for the rest of the body.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

How does it relate to hormones and such? Testosterone levels?

Is it practical for weight lifting?
yes its practical for weight lifting. if you want eat a banana for carbs before a workout for extra energy and always follow up your workout with quick carbs such as a dextrose shake to replenish glycogen stores.

hormones are tricky because there are just too many that come into play. higher testosterone levels increase BMR. low carb diets keep insulin levels in check. low insulin levels keep your body from storing the available glucose in the blood as fats and high insulin levels slows down the body's break down of stored fats and turning them into available glucose. cortisol (stress hormones) levels also come into play with combination with insulin. when insulin levels are low, cortisol enhances fat loss. but when insulin levels are high, cortisol encourages fat storage. low thyroid levels lead to low BMR.

who knows what else takes place, body's just too complex and there's a lot going on, but generally speaking, a low carb diet produces an optimal environment for sustained fat loss.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

Educate me. I thought the people who are keto-adapted will burn fat as their main source of energy. I know we need glucose to fuel the brain, but it doesn't have to be the primary source of fuel for the rest of the body.
glucose is your coal for your body. body burns glucose to produce energy. fats, carbs, even proteins that are burned, are first converted into glucose and then metabolized by the body. glucose is broken down to produce Acetyl-CoA which enters the kerbs cycle. the main objective for metabolism is to produce ATP for the body and the most efficient way to do this is via the kerbs cycle (only when o2 is present). the reaction to do this is the same all over the body, whether its your brain or your muscle cells. its how you get that glucose to burn, is different. what you need to monitor is the blood glucose levels. if glucose levels are high, insulin spike, glucose stored as fat. if glucose levels are low, lypolosys and catabolism to create more glucose to bring glucose levels to norm.

the biggest problem with low carb is that it keeps your body in ketosis, so the risk of catabolism is high. even though body would still be getting the majority of glucose through lypolosis, catabolism would be at a high enough level that it could hinder your gains. thats why its important to intake a good amount of protein while on it to keep the nitrogen balance positive which helps keep catabolism much more in check.

that's why i have a hard time buying all that IIFYM guys that keep saying eat whatever you want. IIFYM means If It Fits Your Macros. you still have to set a certain amount of macros and make sure youre getting ample protein and fats, and that would not leave much room for carbs if you still want to keep your calories in check. You can eat whatever you want, as long as you meet your macros.

edit: had to look it up to make sure and the bolded is wrong. carbs are broken down into glucose. fatty acids can be converted directly into acetyl CoA. been a while since i took that ochem class.

but it is still important to monitor glucose levels and keep sure that you don't let them get too high because your body responds to the level of glucose in the blood.

[BrownEye007]

First time I've actually seen a good thread by op :applause: A lot of people will disagree and use the same old calories in vs calories out line but I know from personal experience ketosis makes it ridiculously easy to lose weight. I lost a lot of weight by just cutting out carbs but keeping my calories/fitness routine the same.

[Im Still Ballin]

The only thing I don't like is that it isn't very practical for those who are serious in the gym. There is a reason why pro athletes don't all eat like this.

But in terms of losing weight, it is great.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

yeah, its for losing weight. cutting. bulking is different. i eat carbs when bulking. and as a result gain some fat as well. but go back on a cut to lose it. professional athletes cycle carbs depending on when they have to perform. when i was in the army, i used to do carb loading a day before my pt test. different scenarios, different diets. no one diet is the end all.

[Im Still Ballin]

yeah, its for losing weight. cutting. bulking is different. i eat carbs when bulking. and as a result gain some fat as well. but go back on a cut to lose it. professional athletes cycle carbs depending on when they have to perform. when i was in the army, i used to do carb loading a day before my pt test. different scenarios, different diets. no one diet is the end all.
So you're saying that it is better to go low carb when cutting as apposed to just lowering calories? In terms of maintaining muscles mass/LBM which route is better? I've heard that a stretched out, slower fat loss cut was better for maintaining mass?

[SupermanOnSteroids]

well of course you're going to have to cut calories too to lose weight. how many calories you wanna cut is up to you depending on how quickly you want to lose the weight. the lower your cals, the more you run the risk of losing your gains. i normally cut cals to 1800 and limit my carbs and add cardio on my off days when cutting. bulking i consume 2800 cals and don't worry about carbs that much (still its not like i start binging on em) and cut out cardio. but that's because i hate doing cardio.

[shlver]

glucose is your coal for your body. body burns glucose to produce energy. fats, carbs, even proteins that are burned, are first converted into glucose and then metabolized by the body. glucose is broken down to produce Acetyl-CoA which enters the kerbs cycle. the main objective for metabolism is to produce ATP for the body and the most efficient way to do this is via the kerbs cycle (only when o2 is present). the reaction to do this is the same all over the body, whether its your brain or your muscle cells. its how you get that glucose to burn, is different. what you need to monitor is the blood glucose levels. if glucose levels are high, insulin spike, glucose stored as fat. if glucose levels are low, lypolosys and catabolism to create more glucose to bring glucose levels to norm.

the biggest problem with low carb is that it keeps your body in ketosis, so the risk of catabolism is high. even though body would still be getting the majority of glucose through lypolosis, catabolism would be at a high enough level that it could hinder your gains. thats why its important to intake a good amount of protein while on it to keep the nitrogen balance positive which helps keep catabolism much more in check.

that's why i have a hard time buying all that IIFYM guys that keep saying eat whatever you want. IIFYM means If It Fits Your Macros. you still have to set a certain amount of macros and make sure youre getting ample protein and fats, and that would not leave much room for carbs if you still want to keep your calories in check. You can eat whatever you want, as long as you meet your macros.

edit: had to look it up to make sure and the bolded is wrong. carbs are broken down into glucose. fatty acids can be converted directly into acetyl CoA. been a while since i took that ochem class.

but it is still important to monitor glucose levels and keep sure that you don't let them get too high because your body responds to the level of glucose in the blood.
The electron transport chain is the real generator of atp, the krebs cycle provides the elecrrons through a series of oxidation steps and produces phosphate carriers during that process.
A doctor would never recommend a prolonged ketogenic diet. Complex plant carbs for a steady stream of glucose provides longer periods of satiation without the insulin spike you get from refined carbs. You do not need to be in a state of ketosis to lse weight,