Is Kobe a top 5 GOAT scorer? And who is in your top 5?

[Warfan]

This thread isnt just to talk about Kobe, but to kind of see what people's top 5 would be regardless if they include Kobe or not....


On to Kobe though...

Regular season scoring
30-39: 299
40-49: 96
50-59: 19
60+: 5


Greatest games:

81 points vs Toronto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyAhap7huXI

62 in 3 quarters vs Dallas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CILpV2kKh8s

65 vs Portland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTNcya0H6Uk



Playoff scoring
30-39: 75
40-49: 12
50+: 1


Greatest games

50 vs Phoenix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDm0-8vzTIw

48 vs Sacramento
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR3kpKk0mfA

49 vs Denver
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiJFpl5ABt0



It's clear that Kobe is one of, if not the best streak scorer of all time. His offensive skillset and scoring arsenal is one of the best we've ever seen, and his ability to create and make shots is nearly unmatched...



Impossible shots compilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Jgar3X0A0s

Footwork and Skill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDcHUyYhRHM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpuswrs-Svg



So would you have him in your top 5? Maybe top 10? And who's in your top 5?

[kennethgriffin]

well duh.. nearly every record is #1 wilt, #2 jordan, #3 kobe.. in some cases kobes 2nd to wilt


theyre a top 3 lock

the other 2 guys i guess would be kareem and shaq prime wise.. kareem and karl career wise

[navy]

Hmmm....

Wilt
Jordan
Kareem
Kobe

[Warfan]

Hmmm....

Wilt
Jordan
Kareem
Kobe

I think shaq and west deserve some consideration aswell.

But yeah MJ (GOAT scorer), Wilt (All of his records and some great playoff scoring runs) Kareem (All-time leading scorer; and some great playoff scoring runs as well) are all locks for me

[Milbuck]

MJ
Wilt
Kareem
Kobe
Shaq

Is my 5 as of right now.

[navy]

I think shaq and west deserve some consideration aswell.

But yeah MJ (GOAT scorer), Wilt (All of his records and some great playoff scoring runs) Kareem (All-time leading scorer; and some great playoff scoring runs as well) are all locks for me
Yea I got stuck after 4. I wanna say Shaq or Malone, but I couldnt decide. Kobe is top 5 at least.

[dubeta]

All time Point Per Game Leaders in NBA History

1. Michael Jordan 30.12 on 50%
2. Wilt Chamberlain 30.07 on 54%
3. LeBron James 27.52 on 50%







10. Kobe Bryant 25.46 on 45%


Wilt LeBron Jordan are the top 3


/thread

[Straight_Ballin]

lol at lebron being mentioned

[Warfan]

Couple points for West -


Averaged 31/5/5 in the finals. 31ppg in his finals career is 3rd all time. However he played 45 more finals games than Barry and 20 more than MJ.

Had finals series of 31.1ppg, 29.5ppg, 33.8ppg, 33.9ppg, 31.3, 38ppg, 31.3ppg

20 40+ point playoff games

74 30+ point playoff games

31 30+ point finals games

3rd all time in playoff ppg (29.1)

[Dragic4Life]

All time Point Per Game Leaders in NBA History

1. Michael Jordan 30.12 on 50%
2. Wilt Chamberlain 30.07 on 54%
3. LeBron James 27.52 on 50%







10. Kobe Bryant 25.46 on 45%


Wilt LeBron Jordan are the top 3


/thread
This.

[jstern]

This is so hard to say, in the sense that sometimes it's not just about the skills of a player, but their mentality and willingness to take shots. For example a Lebron could score more if he wanted to. And Kobe has a better offensive skill set but is not as consistent as Lebron. So in that sense, who's the better scorer?

If I had to pick one I would say Jordan, simply because of his ability to create a shot in a split second and at will. Best ever in that sense alone.

[Dragic4Life]

MJ
Shaq
Lebron
Kareem
Dirk

[mehyaM24]

in no order:
wilt
kareem
jordan
kobe
lebron (i have him over durant, because he has more 40 and 50+ point games)

i want to put durant on that list, and eventually i will, but i cannot ignore his inability to score on physical defenses.

[LakersDaBEst]

damn Dubeta and Dragic4life have been circle jerking each other hard.

Life must be getting abit interesting for you two

[stalkerforlife]

19 50+ games and 5 60+ games is just filthy.

Top 5, easily.

[Fudge]

Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Kobe
Durant

I fully expect Durant to surpass all of them, though.

[dubeta]

Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Kobe
Durant

I fully expect Durant to surpass all of them, though.

:facepalm


PM me so I can spread some knowledge into you little boy

[MP.Trey]

MJ
Wilt
Kareem
Kobe
Jerry West

Shaq a close sixth. I just like West better because he was the total package, could and did score from everywhere on the court, fearless, clutch and not a liability on the line like Shaq. Not the biggest Durant fan but he's on pace for some legendary stuff for sure. Could even end up ahead of Kobe.

[Warfan]

MJ
Wilt
Kareem
Kobe
Jerry West

Shaq a close sixth. I just like West better because he was the total package, could and did score from everywhere on the court, fearless, clutch and not a liability on the line like Shaq. Not the biggest Durant fan but he's on pace for some legendary stuff for sure. Could even end up ahead of Kobe.

Good points. I feel West tends to get overlooked, not just in terms of scoring ability but all time too. He was a great all-around player and one of the best playoffs and finals performers ever. And I think Jordan sets himself apart from the rest in that regard too, dominating on the biggest stage in basketball.

[Iceman#44]

No love for Iceman Gervin?

[Kblaze8855]

Depends on a couple factors. Foremost being...if you mean scoring skillset or ability to score period. Skillset yes. If its ability to score period then probably not.

It is a lot easier to get Kobe to miss than a number of people if all apply equal effort to score. Mostly because Kobe traditionally scores from areas that nobody is or ever will be good enough to make most of your shots from.

If I have to have someone score....no matter how....it just needs doing?

Kareem given the ball in his spot vs Kobe in his....Kareem is more likely to make the shot. So is Jordan. Bernard King probably too to get out of the all time elite players. Kobe is no more likely to score than George Gervin. Or Oscar. Probably not West either. Or Hakeem.

Hell "Im scoring right now...." Barkley or Lebron are more likely to hit the resulting shot. Kobe isn't making his shot more often than Bird either. I never cared much for Adrian Dantleys ball stopping but you give him the ball one on one inside 20 feet hes making the shot more often than Kobe will.

Shaq and Wilt you at least could foul. Most of these guys scored rather easily when its what they set out to do.

Kobe on the same basic level as most but lagging behind the guys who easily get shots close to the basket.

Doesn't matter how good you are....nobody makes half his 18 footers.


That said....

Kobes skillset justifies top 3-5 talk.

Off the top of my head the only midrange/outside shooters who compare to Kobe in the post are Bird, Jordan in his prime, and arguably Oscar and West depending on what you want to call an outside shot.

Maybe Dirk too if you factor in the work he does when he faces up in the post.

And of those guys only Jordan got to the basket as well or better. Maybe West depending on who you ask.

His footwork and positioning are elite. He can get open off the ball. He has both hands. He has every variety of jumper....hook shots...floaters. He can go left or right. He doesnt need to be open...hes on a short list of the best tough shot makers of all time. SO he doesn't need the play to go his way to get a shot he can make which isn't the case with a number of people who can score the same 30 a game...but not get you a shot on command. He doesn't have any holes in his skillset...he just lacks some of the physical advantages that let a number of people get easier shots.

But you cant really discredit people for their physical gifts. Lebron, Jordan, or Wilt minus physical gifts wouldn't be what they were/are. But Kobe in Dell Currys body wouldn't be Kobe either.

[BigTicket]

Kobe is clearly top 5 in ability to hit tough shots, and in desire/drive to score.

However, Kobe is nowhere near the top 5 in ability to get good shots, which I think is more important.

My top 5 would be:

Jordan
Kareem
Wilt
Durant
Gervin

[Warfan]

No love for Iceman Gervin?

Oh, he's certainly up there no doubt. Plenty have guys havent been mentioned though like Bird, Dantley, King, Barkley, Oscar, Baylor etc...




Depends on a couple factors. Foremost being...if you mean scoring skillset or ability to score period. Skillset yes. If its ability to score period then probably not.

It is a lot easier to get Kobe to miss than a number of people if all apply equal effort to score. Mostly because Kobe traditionally scores from areas that nobody is or ever will be good enough to make most of your shots from.

If I have to have someone score....no matter how....it just needs doing?

Kareem given the ball in his spot vs Kobe in his....Kareem is more likely to make the shot. So is Jordan. Bernard King probably too to get out of the all time elite players. Kobe is no more likely to score than George Gervin. Or Oscar. Probably not West either. Or Hakeem.

Hell "Im scoring right now...." Barkley or Lebron are more likely to hit the resulting shot. Kobe isn't making his shot more often than Bird either. I never cared much for Adrian Dantleys ball stopping but you give him the ball one on one inside 20 feet hes making the shot more often than Kobe will.

Shaq and Wilt you at least could foul. Most of these guys scored rather easily when its what they set out to do.

Kobe on the same basic level as most but lagging behind the guys who easily get shots close to the basket.

Doesn't matter how good you are....nobody makes half his 18 footers.


That said....

Kobes skillset justifies top 3-5 talk.

Off the top of my head the only midrange/outside shooters who compare to Kobe in the post are Bird, Jordan in his prime, and arguably Oscar and West depending on what you want to call an outside shot.

Maybe Dirk too if you factor in the work he does when he faces up in the post.

And of those guys only Jordan got to the basket as well or better. Maybe West depending on who you ask.

His footwork and positioning are elite. He can get open off the ball. He has both hands. He has every variety of jumper....hook shots...floaters. He can go left or right. He doesnt need to be open...hes on a short list of the best tough shot makers of all time. SO he doesn't need the play to go his way to get a shot he can make which isn't the case with a number of people who can score the same 30 a game...but not get you a shot on command. He doesn't have any holes in his skillset...he just lacks some of the physical advantages that let a number of people get easier shots.

But you cant really discredit people for their physical gifts. Lebron, Jordan, or Wilt minus physical gifts wouldn't be what they were/are. But Kobe in Dell Currys body wouldn't be Kobe either.

Great post.....You brought up the point about 'ability/skillset vs effectiveness' that i think somewhat goes against Kobe in these rankings. Like you said his skillset is legitimately top 3-5 alltime, and hence at his 'peak' play those skills elevate him to a level we may have never seen in terms of scoring. When he reaches that level he can give you 50+ on nearly all jumpers. He doesnt need to get to the rim consistently to put up big scoring numbers because of his skillset...

But i think the question still remains, whether or not he's consistently effective enough to be put in the top 5. Maybe skillset should just be weighted a lot more in these rankings. But on the other hand i agree that a player shouldnt be discredited because of their physical gifts.

This all just leads to the point that im not certain about how much weighting should go into these and other factors to determine the rankings...

[SexSymbol]

1.MJ
2.Kobe
3.Kareem
4.West
5.Wilt

[Psileas]

Couple points for West -


Averaged 31/5/5 in the finals. 31ppg in his finals career is 3rd all time. However he played 45 more finals games than Barry and 20 more than MJ.

Had finals series of 31.1ppg, 29.5ppg, 33.8ppg, 33.9ppg, 31.3, 38ppg, 31.3ppg

20 40+ point playoff games

74 30+ point playoff games

31 30+ point finals games

3rd all time in playoff ppg (29.1)

Well, the bolded makes his averages all the more impressive. Because they were the results of multiple Finals series, not, e.g, like Barry, who only happened to reach to the Finals in his 2 most prolific seasons.

[Warfan]

Well, the bolded makes his averages all the more impressive. Because they were the results of multiple Finals series, not, e.g, like Barry, who only happened to reach to the Finals in his 2 most prolific seasons.

Yeah, i meant it as a point to show that it's VERY impressive considering he played many more finals games than those 2. I can see how you read it that way though...

[LAZERUSS]

Of course there is a huge difference between shooting, and scoring. If basketball games were comprised of taking wide open shots, Steve Kerr or Kyle Korver likely would head the list.

But, the ability to SCORE, against sophisticated defenses, against defensive specialists, and in many cases, against multiple defenders is totally different. Kobe has been one of the greatest SCORERS because he can simply get his shot almost any time, and under virtually all conditions. There have been countless instances in his career, where the shot-clock is winding down, and he buries a shot from 25+ feet with multiple defenders draped all over him.

I have read many, even at the time, that claimed that Pistol Pete was a shot-jacker. Yes, he was. But think about this. In his college career, spanning three straight seasons, he averaged 44 ppg. And he did so with very little help, and against opposing defenses designed to specifically stop him.

Most everyone here has played organized basketball at at least some level in their lifetimes. Now, honestly ask yourself, how many 40+ point games did you have? Here was Maravich AVERAGING that at the highest college level, and in fact, he would go on to lead the NBA in scoring in '77, at 31.1 ppg. His NBA high game was 68 points, too.

Kobe averaged 35.4 ppg in an NBA that averaged 97.0 ppg in 05-06. He not only had that incredible 81 point game, but perhaps his 62 point game against the Mavs (who were 18-6 at the time...and would get to the Finals) was even more impressive. He had outscored the entire Mavs team, 62-61, and likely could have hung more than 81 had he played the entire game.

He is definitely a top-5 scorer.

[HurricaneKid]

lol at lebron being mentioned

Scoring more points on greater efficiency is no laughing matter.

Shocked I haven't seen more love for KD and AI here.

[ArbitraryWater]

I don't see how a guy scoring at a 45% rate can be a top 5 scorer tbh...

[ILLsmak]

As much as I love bigs, I can't put any big as a great scorer because they need someone to get them the ball. To me the best scorers are dudes who could get the ball on the inbound and score 30-40.

Bigs are some different shit even though they get points.

From what I've seen, Kobe is... but I also think Iverson is.

-Smak

[Optimus Prime]

Considering he is currently #4, soon to be #3, yes? :facepalm

[Optimus Prime]

That said....

Kobes skillset justifies top 3-5 talk.

Off the top of my head the only midrange/outside shooters who compare to Kobe in the post are Bird, Jordan in his prime, and arguably Oscar and West depending on what you want to call an outside shot.

Maybe Dirk too if you factor in the work he does when he faces up in the post.

And of those guys only Jordan got to the basket as well or better. Maybe West depending on who you ask.

His footwork and positioning are elite. He can get open off the ball. He has both hands. He has every variety of jumper....hook shots...floaters. He can go left or right. He doesnt need to be open...hes on a short list of the best tough shot makers of all time. SO he doesn't need the play to go his way to get a shot he can make which isn't the case with a number of people who can score the same 30 a game...but not get you a shot on command. He doesn't have any holes in his skillset...he just lacks some of the physical advantages that let a number of people get easier shots.

But you cant really discredit people for their physical gifts. Lebron, Jordan, or Wilt minus physical gifts wouldn't be what they were/are. But Kobe in Dell Currys body wouldn't be Kobe either.

When Kblaze speaks, listen. :bowdown:

The way Kobe's game has evolved from dunks and athleticism to an amazing midrange game and crafty post play is truly a thing to behold. His basketball IQ and footwork are legendary. His shot selection is not always the best; sometimes just Kobe being Kobe, sometimes out of necessity.

To say that Kobe hasn't been one of the best scorers in NBA history is to not consider his entire body of work. Most haters and trolls just spout "lol 6/24" without looking at how Kobe has evolved his game as he's aged. :kobe:

[ArbitraryWater]

I don't really care about "skillset"... You can have no skillset and poop the ball in the basket if you can.

I just want the guy who can get me the Points in the most efficient ways.

Kobe's shot selection and possible lack of physical gifts later on against other greats are a reality.

Give all the guys the same amount of shots, Kobe won't end up in the top 5 of the Players with the most Points...

I got:

Jordan
Shaq
LeBron
Kareem
? Wilt/West

[dreamwarrior]

On the blacktop:
Kobe
Durant
Manigault
Hammond
Archibald

On parque:
Jordan
Shaq
Barkley
Nowitski
Malone

On hardwood:
Kareem
Wilt
Robertson
Havlicek
West

[Lebronxrings]

MJ
Shaq
Lebron
Kareem
Dirk
this and dubetas

/thread

[Warfan]

When Kblaze speaks, listen. :bowdown:

The way Kobe's game has evolved from dunks and athleticism to an amazing midrange game and crafty post play is truly a thing to behold. His basketball IQ and footwork are legendary. His shot selection is not always the best; sometimes just Kobe being Kobe, sometimes out of necessity.

To say that Kobe hasn't been one of the best scorers in NBA history is to not consider his entire body of work. Most haters and trolls just spout "lol 6/24" without looking at how Kobe has evolved his game as he's aged. :kobe:

And you got rid of his point about actually putting the ball in the basket which is very important too. Like I said I don't mind having kobe in the top 5, I highly respect his scoring ability and skillet and have praised it a ton in this thread already. He is a legend.

@LAZ

You bring up a good point about the ability to create shots under pressure and against good defenses. But wouldn't you say overall Kobe hasnt been that great against those types of defenses?? I mean he shoots around 40% in the finals, and he has been there 7 times, 4 times when he wasnt the best player either.

Heck I've seen you criticise him for plenty of times when kobetards attack Wilt and you end up posting kobe's scoring & shooting numbers in the last game of the season. Like this...



And how about Kobe in his Finals?

Quote:
99-00
Regular season 22.5 ppg .468 FG%
Finals 15.6 ppg .367 FG%
FG% in thelast Game of Series .296 FG%

00-01
Regular season 28.5 ppg .464 FG%
Finals 24.6 ppg .415 FG%
Last Game .389

01-02
Regular season 25.2 ppg .469
Finals 26.8 ppg .514
Last Game .438

03-04
Regular season 24.0 ppg .438
Finals 22.6 ppg .381
Last Game .333

07-08
Regular season 28.3 ppg .459
Finals 25.7 ppg .405
Last game of the series, .318

08-09
Regular season 26.8 ppg .467
Finals 32.4 ppg .430
Last game of the series, .435

09-10
Regular season 27.0 ppg .456
Finals 28.6 ppg .405
Last game of the series, .250 from the floor.


Other noteables:


97-98
Swept by Utah 4-0.
Kobe averages 10.0 ppg on a .367 FG%

98-99
Swept by San Antonio 4-0
Last game of the series : Kobe 16 points on a .438 FG%

02-03
Lose to Spurs in WCF's, 4-2.
Last game loss by a score of 110-82 (Kobe with 20 points in a season in which he averaged 30 ppg)

03-04 Finals
Heavily favored Lakers lose to Pistons, 4-1.
In the clinching game five loss Kobe shoots .333 in a 100-87 loss (and LA was down 23 going into 4th quarter)

04-05
team goes 34-48 and misses playoffs

05-06
Regular season 35.4 ppg .450
Playoffs 27.9 ppg .497
Last game (7) 24 points in a 121-90 loss (after blowing a 3-1 series lead)

06-07
Team goes 42-40
Loses in first round to Suns, 4-1.
Last game of that series, Kobe shoots .394 from the floor

07-08
Lakers are blown out by Celts in Finals.
In game four the Lakers blow a 23 point lead, and lose, in a game in which Kobe shot .316 from the field.
In the clinching game six loss, the Lakers lose by a Finals record margin of 131-92. Kobe shoots .318 from the floor.

10-11
Lakers with HCA are swept by the Mavs, 4-0.
In the clinching game four loss, LA loses 122-86, and Kobe shoots .389 from the field.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9714880&postcount=77



As for the 35ppg season, again amazing. But I don't need to bring up the rules changes that clearly bumped up perimeter scoring that year. Heck, LeBron and Iverson only scored 2-3 less ppg that year on the same efficiency and you never hear that brought up at all. And yes he has had historic regular season performances, but I value the playoff scoring a lot more than regular season.

Again I'm not trying to bash Kobe, if your criteria is just ability to create and hit shots and based on skillet which helps a player do that, then fine Kobe is definitely top 5 all time in terms of that. I just think a bit more needs to be considered...

[LAZERUSS]

And you got rid of his point about actually putting the ball in the basket which is very important too. Like I said I don't mind having kobe in the top 5, I highly respect his scoring ability and skillet and have praised it a ton in this thread already. He is a legend.

@LAZ

You bring up a good point about the ability to create shots under pressure and against good defenses. But wouldn't you say overall Kobe hasnt been that great against those types of defenses?? I mean he shoots around 40% in the finals, and he has been there 7 times, 4 times when he wasnt the best player either.

Heck I've seen you criticise him for plenty of times when kobetards attack Wilt and you end up posting kobe's scoring & shooting numbers in the last game of the season. Like this...



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9714880&postcount=77



As for the 35ppg season, again amazing. But I don't need to bring up the rules changes that clearly bumped up perimeter scoring that year. Heck, LeBron and Iverson only scored 2-3 less ppg that year on the same efficiency and you never hear that brought up at all. And yes he has had historic regular season performances, but I value the playoff scoring a lot more than regular season.

Again I'm not trying to bash Kobe, if your criteria is just ability to create and hit shots and based on skillet which helps a player do that, then fine Kobe is definitely top 5 all time in terms of that. I just think a bit more needs to be considered...

Kobe's Finals were generally putrid. But his overall play in the playoffs was exceptional. He OWNED the Spurs in their several post-season series.

[Warfan]

Kobe's Finals were generally putrid. But his overall play in the playoffs was exceptional. He OWNED the Spurs in their several post-season series.

Ok, he's 'owned' the Spurs twice. In 2001 and 2008, maybe in 2004 but i wouldnt say he 'owned' them that series....I can bring up his struggles against Boston in 2008, Detroit in 2004 and some of the other series you mentioned in that quote. So you say he was 'putrid' in the finals. Can someone who is 'definitely a top 5 scorer' ever be 'putrid' on the biggest stage in basketball? I have my doubts...

[navy]

Ok, he's 'owned' the Spurs twice. In 2001 and 2008, maybe in 2004 but i wouldnt say he 'owned' them that series....I can bring up his struggles against Boston in 2008 & 2010, Detroit in 2004 and some of the other series you mentioned in that quote. So you say he was 'putrid' in the finals. Can someone who is 'definitely a top 5 scorer' ever be 'putrid' on the biggest stage in basketball? I have my doubts...
Seems kinda nitpicky. Plenty of people struggle at various times.

Kobe has the number 1 or 2 complete scoring skillset of all time.
Number 4 in total points of all time. (on the way up)
2nd highest scoring game of all time at 81 points
35ppg season. Top 3 I believe.

He's a top 5 scorer. Not a top 5 player.

Yeah he tends to chuck sometimes, number 1 on missed shots of all time.

[Warfan]

Seems kinda nitpicky. Plenty of people struggle at various times.

Kobe has the number 1 or 2 complete scoring skillset of all time.
Number 4 in total points of all time. (on the way up)
2nd highest scoring game of all time at 81 points
35ppg season. Top 3 I believe.

He's a top 5 scorer. Not a top 5 player.

Yeah he tends to chuck sometimes, number 1 on missed shots of all time.

Yes but when it comes to top 5 ever i think you need to be. I agree with you that he has a goat level skillset and im not really against people having him there if people use that as the main criteria. He also has a very impressive resume like you mentioned. But consistent effectiveness is important to me and it seems a lot of people gloss over that.

On any given night he could shoot 19-30 and give you 50+ or he could shoot 9-28 and the Lakers will lose a close game. Like ability, results are important. How important? Im not sure, but it is...

[dreamwarrior]

Kobe misses 15.1 FGA per 100 possessions. Michael Jordan missed 15.4 FGA per 100 possessions. Jordan had a ton of games where he shot 30% as well

[navy]

Yes but when it comes to top 5 ever i think you need to be. I agree with you that he has a goat level skillset and im not really against people having him there if people use that as the main criteria. He also has a very impressive resume like you mentioned. But consistent effectiveness is important to me and it seems a lot of people gloss over that.

On any given night he could shoot 19-30 and give you 50+ or he could shoot 9-28 and the Lakers will lose a close game. Like ability, results are important. How important? Im not sure, but it is...
Meh, Im sure if I checked I could find similar faults with everyone else. Not worried about it.


Kobe misses 15.1 FGA per 100 possessions. Michael Jordan missed 15.4 FGA per 100 possessions. Jordan had a ton of games where he shot 30% as well
Something like this. :confusedshrug:

[tpols]

lol at lebron being mentioned

dem fast break points and cherrypicked FG doe

[Warfan]

Per 100 poss

MJ
15.3-30.7: .497

Kobe
12.6-27.7: .454

Noticeable difference there, and he scores an extra 4.3ppg (40.4 to 36.1)....


Come postseason it's not even close...

Mj
43.3 ppg - .487

Kobe
34.7 ppg - .448

Much higher volume, more efficient and more consistent...

[navy]

I dont think the intent was to say Kobe is better than Jordan at scoring...

[dubeta]

There's no way I consider someone who misses 55% if his shots a "GOAT" scorer

[navy]

There's no way I consider someone who misses 55% if his shots a "GOAT" scorer
:no: TS% doe

[Warfan]

I dont think the intent was to say Kobe is better than Jordan at scoring...

Yeah I just wanted to point out that his post was a bit deceiving, considering MJ scores at a much higher volume and he's more efficient. Regardless if they both miss 15 shots a game.


I don't really care about "skillset"... You can have no skillset and poop the ball in the basket if you can.

I just want the guy who can get me the Points in the most efficient ways.

Kobe's shot selection and possible lack of physical gifts later on against other greats are a reality.

This speaks to my point about effectiveness and putting the ball in the basket. I wouldn't go as far to say I don't care about scoring skilset because I certainly think it's very important, but it shouldn't be the sole measure for these rankings.

[Soundwave]

Yes I'll give him that.