1-9

[livinglegend]

Jordan s playoffs record without Pippen
interesting

[SouBeachTalents]

GOAT is interesting too

[dubeta]

Jordan and Kobe both couldnt do anything without specialists and All stars

Put some scrubs around LeBron and at least they have a chance to make the Finals

[Droid101]

So this is the "I'm a retarded idiot" talking point of the day?

Jesus Christ.

[livinglegend]

So this is the "I'm a retarded idiot" talking point of the day?

Jesus Christ.

i thought i was on your ignore list :lol
What s the point the ignore list if you look at the posts and respond to them?:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Dragic4Life]

All you need to know is, Jordan won 6 because he had:

Prime Pippen
Prime Rodman
Prime Kukoc
Prime Harper
Prime Kerr (bailout gamewinner)
GOAT coach Phil Jackson


Exchange Jordan with Lebron and the Bulls still win 6.

[navy]

GOAT needed the GOAT sidekick. :confusedshrug:

[Dragic4Life]

Needed Steve Kerr to bail him out.:oldlol: :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

At least put some thought into your posts. We already have a thread detailing Jordan's playoff woes without Pippen....on the first page.

[dubeta]

All you need to know is, Jordan won 6 because he had:

Prime Pippen
Prime Rodman
Prime Kukoc
Prime Harper
Prime Kerr (bailout gamewinner)
GOAT coach Phil Jackson


Exchange Jordan with Lebron and the Bulls still win 6.

8, Lebron wouldnt retire because he lost passion for the game :cheers:

[Dragic4Life]

8, Lebron wouldnt retire because he lost passion for the game :cheers:
Yeah, slipped my mind that Jordan couldn't handle the pressure and retired prematurely.

[Droid101]

i thought i was on your ignore list :lol
What s the point the ignore list if you look at the posts and respond to them?:oldlol: :oldlol:
Dude, are you serious?

I purged the entire list when LeBron went back to the Cavaliers. I would never deprive myself of all the meltdowns and flip flopping bandwagon posts.

Yours in particular have been hilarious and embarrassing. So thank you!

[SouBeachTalents]

Needed Steve Kerr to bail him out.:oldlol: :facepalm

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2808499/allen3.gif

[livinglegend]

At least put some thought into your posts. We already have a thread detailing Jordan's playoff woes without Pippen....on the first page.

This is a ''open thread''. It's similiar to the ''open endings'' in the movies or books. I'll let you do the thinking.

[livinglegend]

Dude, are you serious?

I purged the entire list when LeBron went back to the Cavaliers. I would never deprive myself of all the meltdowns and flip flopping bandwagon posts.

Yours in particular have been hilarious and embarrassing. So thank you!

yeah, i dont give a shit. Now go back and jerk off to kobe s pictures.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This is a ''open thread''. It's similiar to the ''open endings'' in the movies or books. I'll let you do the thinking.

Except, the thread on the first page has the EXACT same theme with ACTUAL content.

Feel free to read through it and maybe learn a thing or two.

[livinglegend]

The thread on the first page has the exact same theme, except it actually has content.

Feel free to read through it and maybe learn a thing or two.

many movies and books explore the same themes. We do the same thing with the threads. Nothing new in here. The other thread is a ''closed thread''. Mine is a ''open thread''. Very different.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

many movies and books explore the same themes. We do the same thing with the threads. Nothing new in here. The other thread is a ''closed thread''. Mine is a ''open thread''. Very different.

Nope. It's still open and ready for you to read.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=351399

[livinglegend]

Nope. It's still open and ready for you to read.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=351399
:facepalm
1-9

[Dragic4Life]

kuniva_dAMiGhTy acting all high and mighty. Fvck outta here.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:facepalm
1-9

Yeah, you said that already.

[livinglegend]

kuniva_dAMiGhTy acting all high and mighty. Fvck outta here.

He s another one of those hidden trolls that act intellectual and objective.

[livinglegend]

Yeah, you said that already.
so?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

so?

What?

[livinglegend]

What?

i think you ve got quite a few problems

[dubeta]

I finally realized

Worst facts bout each player

LeBron 2/5

Kobe 6/24

Jordan 1/9

2/5 > 6/24 > 1/9

LeBron > Kobe > Jordan

[Dragic4Life]

kuniva_dAMiGhTy where did you get your green reps?

Ah you must have been jerking off SpecialQue and Droid101 which is known as mastur(b)ating btw.

[livinglegend]

I finally realized

Worst facts bout each player

LeBron 2/5

Kobe 6/24

Jordan 1/9

2/5 > 6/24 > 1/9

LeBron > Kobe > Jordan
Jodan would be 1/10

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

i think you ve got quite a few problems

99 problems, but an original thought ain't one. :cheers:


kuniva_dAMiGhTy where did you get your green reps?

Ah you must have been jerking off SpecialQue and Droid101 which is known as *********ing btw.

Are you asking me for a green bar, good sir? Spit it out.

[livinglegend]

99 problems, but an original thought ain't one. :cheers:



Are you asking me for a green bar, good sir? Spit it out.

hey sister, if an original thought aien't a problem, then why are you copying Jay-Z?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

hey sister, if an original thought aien't a problem, then why are you copying Jay-Z?

Am I? To be fair, I wasn't aware Jay Z created any of the words and numbers in my post. :mad:

[uber]

Jordan s playoffs record without Pippen
interesting

so what? Pippen couldn't win on his own either. Show me one guy that did it all by himself.

[Mrofir]

How bout them spurs

[Dragic4Life]

so what? Pippen couldn't win on his own either. Show me one guy that did it all by himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTsXOGuTVbk

[SouBeachTalents]

so what? Pippen couldn't win on his own either. Show me one guy that did it all by himself.

Besides one year flukes, never

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

you are witty

I see my legend has grown. Don't believe everything you hear, dude. Just a heads up.

[livinglegend]

Am I? To be fair, I wasn't aware Jay Z created any of the words and numbers in my post. :mad:

that was lame :oldlol:
you are not comical enough for me


next

[Mrofir]

I ham the wittiest of them owl

[livinglegend]

I see my legend has grown. Don't believe everything you hear, dude. Just a heads up.
:facepalm
so now you are making fake quotes :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:facepalm
so now you are making fake quotes :facepalm

Enlighten me.

[Mrofir]

:facepalm
so now you are making "fake quotes" :facepalm


fixed

[livinglegend]

MJ's record without Pippen starting, 1985-1989

38-44, lost 1-3 in the first round.
9-9, swept in the first round.
40-42, swept in the first round.
50-32, tied 2-2 in the first round after blowing a 2-0 lead. (Pippen starts Game 5, beasts, Bulls win and finally get out the first round with MJ)
13-12.

Pippen becomes a starter for the final 2/3 of 89' and the Bulls win 9 of 11 and go on a 32-15 roll after starting 13-12...and never looked back...

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

MJ's record without Pippen starting, 1985-1989

38-44, lost 1-3 in the first round.
9-9, swept in the first round.
40-42, swept in the first round.
50-32, tied 2-2 in the first round after blowing a 2-0 lead. (Pippen starts Game 5, beasts, Bulls win and finally get out the first round with MJ)
13-12.

Pippen becomes a starter for the final 2/3 of 89' and the Bulls win 9 of 11 and go on a 32-15 roll after starting 13-12...and never looked back...

Way to go against your thread's theme. Asshole.

[Angel Face]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTsXOGuTVbk

Lebron help Dirk win his only ring. :facepalm

[Dragic4Life]

Lebron help Dirk win his only ring. :facepalm
So Magic helped Jordan win his first?

Is that it? No credit to the winner?

[dubeta]

This thread opened my eyes, I finally understand it now :applause:



1. LeBron
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Jordan

[uber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTsXOGuTVbk

As great as his finals perfomance was, he still didn't do it on his own.

[pastis]

All you need to know is, Jordan won 6 because he had:

Prime Pippen
Prime Rodman
Prime Kukoc
Prime Harper
Prime Kerr (bailout gamewinner)
GOAT coach Phil Jackson


Exchange Jordan with Lebron and the Bulls still win 6.

wow. that is a stacked team. even better than Birds Celtics or Kobes Lakers. wow, bulls imbalanced as hell.

but why media was just talking and praising mj and nor rodman, pippen and the others? did MJ at least recognize that he had a super stacked team? did he praise his teamm8s for winning in intervews? i rly dont know.:confusedshrug:


and why it seems to be forbidden to criticize mj in any way?

[ImKobe]

All you need to know is, Jordan won 6 because he had:

Prime Pippen
Prime Rodman
Prime Kukoc
Prime Harper
Prime Kerr (bailout gamewinner)
GOAT coach Phil Jackson


Exchange Jordan with Lebron and the Bulls still win 6.

this is bullshit, Ron Harper was way past his prime when he went to Chicago :coleman:, Rodman wasn't as good as he was on the Pistons or the Spurs either.

[Eric Cartman]

Trolls feasting up in this bitch.

[Dengness9]

I vote for more threads of a dude talking to himself w/ 4 accounts!

In other news....... that board game came back to get Robin Williams. Lesson: Jumanji always wins.

[Cali Syndicate]

this is bullshit, Ron Harper was way past his prime when he went to Chicago :coleman:, Rodman wasn't as good as he was on the Pistons or the Spurs either.

Naw you're wrong. That's the thing, playing with MJ automatically puts them in the prime of their careers. Intangibles bro. MJ...the prime maker.

[TheMan]

this is bullshit, Ron Harper was way past his prime when he went to Chicago :coleman:, Rodman wasn't as good as he was on the Pistons or the Spurs either.
:no:Hey, it's another garbage thread by the worst poster in ISH, let's not let facts get in the way of his agenda...

[dannywpt]

This ****ing guy.

[knicksman]

what matters is 2/5 tho. And bran would even be missing the playoffs if he played in the west. And considering his record against 50+ win teams, his 60+ wins cavs might be a first rounder in the west.:lol

[livinglegend]

what matters is 2/5 tho. And bran would even be missing the playoffs if he played in the west. And considering his record against 50+ win teams, his 60+ wins cavs might be a first rounder in the west.:lol

very interesting thought little sister, but you are off-topic.



AND BTW, I'm not a Lebron fan.

[Le Shaqtus]

God damn look at this circle jerk :lol

[Lebronxrings]

wow it makes sense :eek:

evidence points to jordan having an all time great cast.

You can insert any top 10 player and they probably do what jordan did.


In a recent interview, jordan chose his all time starting 5. In the starting 5, he chose pippen. This easily means he knew pippen as one of the greatest players ever and that jordan flourished due to him. He chose pippen over bird because of how great he was. Pippen = second GOAT SF.

[TheMan]

wow it makes sense :eek:

evidence points to jordan having an all time great cast.

You can insert any top 10 player and they probably do what jordan did.


In a recent interview, jordan chose his all time starting 5. In the starting 5, he chose pippen. This easily means he knew pippen as one of the greatest players ever and that jordan flourished due to him. He chose pippen over bird because of how great he was. Pippen = second GOAT SF.
Totally agree with you... Bird GOAT SF, #2 Pippen and #3 LeBron. LeBron might catch Pip, but right now it's still a long shot.

[knicksman]

I don't think bran is even better than Isiah. 2>>>2*. We all knew Isiah vs AI or magic vs bran is a murder so to make it a fair comparison, Im not increasing the height of Isiah.

[knickswoman]

very interesting thought little sister, but you are off-topic.



AND BTW, I'm not a Lebron fan.

why u mad tho? is it because you realized how dumb you are for believing in bran?

[SouBeachTalents]

I don't think bran is even better than Isiah. 2>>>2*. We all knew Isiah vs AI or magic vs bran is a murder so to make it a fair comparison, Im not increasing the height of Isiah.

LeBron has more Finals MVP's than any Knick since 1974

[Calabis]

All you need to know is, Jordan won 6 because he had:

Prime Pippen
Prime Rodman 34, 35, 36
Prime Kukoc
Prime Harper 32, 33, 34
Prime Kerr (bailout gamewinner) 30,31,32 see below
GOAT coach Phil Jackson


Exchange Jordan with Lebron and the Bulls still win 6.

:facepalm

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2808499/allen3.gif

http://i.imgur.com/Zar6aTc.gif

Legacy saved

[knickswoman]

LeBron has more Finals MVP's than any Knick since 1974

who cares brah? Youre a beta/sheep anyway

[j3lademaster]

All you need to know is, Jordan won 6 because he had:

Prime Pippen
Prime Rodman
Prime Kukoc
Prime Harper
Prime Kerr (bailout gamewinner)
GOAT coach Phil Jackson


Exchange Jordan with Lebron and the Bulls still win 6.Ron Harper wasn't in his prime....

[SouBeachTalents]

who cares brah? Youre a beta/sheep anyway

I guess you're right, championships are totally overrated. Finishing under .500 is where you want your team to be

[knickswoman]

I guess you're right, championships are totally overrated. Finishing under .500 is where you want your team to be
still youre a follower which makes you a weakling in Real life

[JT123]

I guess you're right, championships are totally overrated. Finishing under .500 is where you want your team to be
Why are you wasting your time arguing with a woman? :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

This thread is pathetic...

I don't blame good posters hitting back by trolling the 'Bron stans

[Calabis]

Jordan s playoffs record without Pippen
interesting

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/4860229/spurs-championship-banner-2007-o.gif

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3he9vodjwIY/hqdefault.jpg

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/739183/tumblr_lmpt6f7acs1qfocge_medium.gif

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3he9vodjwIY/hqdefault.jpg

http://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/assets/4636903/cockypop2.gif

http://s3-ak.buzzfeed.com/static/campaign_images/terminal05/2012/7/30/13/poignant-images-of-crying-olympians-1-590-1343668428-22_big.jpg

[Beastmode88]

Jesus Christ Livinglegend and Dragic4Life talking to himself again. :facepalm

[Beastmode88]

All you need to know is, Jordan won 6 because he had:

Prime Pippen
Prime Rodman
Prime Kukoc
Prime Harper
Prime Kerr (bailout gamewinner)
GOAT coach Phil Jackson


Exchange Jordan with Lebron and the Bulls still win 6.

Pippen was in his prime for 8 years?
Rodman, Kukoc, Harper and Kerr were there for his first 3peat?
What did Phil win (as a coach) before Jordan?

Jesus Christmas this guy is a tard. Lebron wouldn't even be in the league if he had to play against the bad boys. Imagine the Jordan Rules on Lebron... :biggums:

[poido123]

Jordan s playoffs record without Pippen
interesting



Poor posters will be poor posters :facepalm

[livinglegend]

Poor posters will be poor posters :facepalm

which is why you ll always stay a poor poster, pedo

[livinglegend]

This thread is pathetic...

I don't blame good posters hitting back by trolling the 'Bron stans

there are hardly any Lebron stan in this thread

[04mzwach]

I liked the Celtics Big 3 because people couldn't do this type of thing to them where you pit a player vs a player or say one player got bailed out by another. It was just a great team.

[Beastmode88]

there are hardly any Lebron stan in this thread

Well obviously if you and dragic are the same person. :roll: :roll:

[livinglegend]

Well obviously if you and dragic are the same person. :roll: :roll:

We are not the same person, and i m not a Lebron stan. I don't know about him.

[Beastmode88]

We are not the same person, and i m not a Lebron stan. I don't know about him.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=343970
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340871
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336049
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347297
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336003
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=343990
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340440
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301199

For someone that isn't a Lebron stan you sure make a lot of Lebron threads. Here's some more: https://www.google.com/search?&q=livinglegend+lebron+site%3Ainsidehoops.com

[TheMan]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=343970
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340871
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336049
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347297
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336003
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=343990
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=340440
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301199

For someone that isn't a Lebron stan you sure make a lot of Lebron threads. Here's some more: https://www.google.com/search?&q=livinglegend+lebron+site%3Ainsidehoops.com
Jesus Christ that's pathetic :facepalm

And still he has the nerve to say he isn't a LeBron stan, all this fakkit does is talk about LeBron:biggums:

[livinglegend]

So now we have insecure and mad fans forcing other posters to be fan of a certain players just to fit their own agenda.:oldlol: That's really pathetic.:facepalm

[dubeta]

LOL, this is the Jordan stans kryptonite

LeBron's 2/5 is much better than a 1-9 MJ

[Beastmode88]

We are not the same person, and i m not a Lebron stan. I don't know about him.


So now we have insecure and mad fans forcing other posters to be fan of a certain players just to fit their own agenda.:oldlol: That's really pathetic.:facepalm


:biggums::biggums::biggums::biggums: there are like 300 threads u made about lebron james... Can't tell if delusional or stupid

[SouBeachTalents]

LOL, this is the Jordan stans kryptonite

LeBron's 2/5 is much better than a 1-9 MJ

6/6 is a lot better than 2/5 though, and Jordan never had a Finals like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kKxtSQa-4

[TheMan]

LOL, this is the Jordan stans kryptonite

LeBron's 2/5 is much better than a 1-9 MJ
MJ went 1-9 in the Finals? If we talking about LeBron's 2/5, isn't it fair to mention MJ's 6/6 Finals record :confusedshrug:

Admit it, y'all shook :oldlol:

You guys are desperately just throwing anything at the GOAT hoping something will stick :yaohappy:

[ArbitraryWater]

MJ went 1-9 in the Finals? If we talking about LeBron's 2/5, isn't it fair to mention MJ's 6/6 Finals record :confusedshrug:

Admit it, y'all shook :oldlol:

You guys are desperately just throwing anything at the GOAT hoping something will stick :yaohappy:

2/5 or 1/9, it's equally stupid..

[jayfan]

All you need to know is, Jordan won 6 because he had:

Prime Pippen
Prime Rodman
Prime Kukoc
Prime Harper
Prime Kerr (bailout gamewinner)
GOAT coach Phil Jackson


Exchange Jordan with Lebron and the Bulls still win 6.

1. He only had Rodman, Kukoc, Harper and Kerr for 3. Close, though.

2. No way in hell Lebron wins 6.


.

[Beastmode88]

6/6 is a lot better than 2/5 though, and Jordan never had a Finals like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kKxtSQa-4

Jordan never came CLOSE to losing in the finals. That dude didn't even let a game 7 happen. :biggums:

[sportjames23]

6/6 is a lot better than 2/5 though, and Jordan never had a Finals like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3kKxtSQa-4


Ether

[Dragic4Life]

Jordan never came CLOSE to losing in the finals. That dude didn't even let a game 7 happen. :biggums:
Yeah, give Lebron prime Pippen and GOAT coach he'll do the same.

[Beastmode88]

Yeah, give Lebron prime Pippen and GOAT coach he'll do the same.

Pippen was in his prime for 8 years? What did PJ (as a coach) win before jordan?

[livinglegend]

1. He only had Rodman, Kukoc, Harper and Kerr for 3. Close, though.

2. No way in hell Lebron wins 6.


.

agreed, no way in hell he wins 6, he d win more than 6.

[livinglegend]

Pippen was in his prime for 8 years? What did PJ (as a coach) win before jordan?

PJ won 1 championship before Jordan and he also won 5 more after Jordan.
And now, tell me, how many playoffs win does Jordan have without Phil?

[DJ Leon Smith]

PJ won 1 championship before Jordan and he also won 5 more after Jordan.
And now, tell me, how many playoffs win does Jordan have without Phil?

PJ won 1 championship before Jordan

PJ won 1 championship before Jordan

PJ won 1 championship before Jordan

Please state what championship Phil Jackson won before he coached Michael Jordan. I honestly can't wait for your reply so let me retort.


While in the CBA, he won his first coaching championship, leading the Albany Patroons to their first CBA title in 1984.

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Warmest regards,

Jeff.
InsideHoops.com

[livinglegend]

you answered your own question, he won the CBA championship in 1984

[SouBeachTalents]

you answered your own question, he won the CBA championship in 1984

:roll:

[livinglegend]

:roll:

Beastmode asked me what did PJ won as coach before Jordan. PJ never coached in the NBA before Jordan, so I assumed he was talking about his coaching in other leagues. And he won a championship in the CBA league.

[dubeta]

Damn these MJ stans getting ethered :eek:

[Soundwave]

So much salt on this forum from the same four 12-year-olds that can't deal with MJ being the consensus GOAT :oldlol:

[DJ Leon Smith]

PJ never coached in the NBA before Jordan

I guess a coach who has never coached in the NBA before carried him to six championships then, correct?

Correct?

Correct?

http://www.lobshots.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/lebron-face.jpg

[livinglegend]

I guess a coach who has never coached in the NBA before carried him to six championships then, correct?



when did i say that?
I just post facts and let the readers make their own conclusion.
Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs without Phil and Pippen FACT
Phil won 5 championships after Jordan, 1 before FACT
Pippen won multiple playoffs series without Jordan, Jordan never won without him FACT

[Soundwave]

when did i say that?
I just post facts and let the readers make their own conclusion.
Jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs without Phil and Pippen FACT
Phil won 5 championships after Jordan, 1 before FACT
Pippen won multiple playoffs series without Jordan, Jordan never won without him FACT

LeBron never won a title without Spoelstra FACT

LeBron never won a title without Haslem FACT

LeBron never won a title without black in his jersey FACT

LeBron has never won a Superbowl FACT

Any more stupid arbitrary facts? You can cherry pick these for any player ever. Bird never won anything without McHale. Hakeem never won anything without Kenny Smith.

Outside of his rookie season the only teams that ever beat Jordan in a playoff round were the Bird Celtics and the Bad Boy Pistons. And that was only when they had far more stacked teams than his. The only exception to this is 95 when he was walking off a baseball field not having played basketball for almost 2 years, and that 95 Magic team was pretty stacked.

Any competent NBA coach would win multiple titles with Jordan + Pippen and Shaq + Kobe.

[JT123]

livinglegend ethering these Jordan stans with FACTS! :applause:

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron never won a title without Spoelstra FACT

LeBron never won a title without Haslem FACT

LeBron never won a title without black in his jersey FACT

LeBron has never won a Superbowl FACT

Any more stupid arbitrary facts?

Any competent NBA coach would win multiple titles with Jordan + Pippen and Shaq + Kobe.

:applause: Especially if Spo did it

[livinglegend]

LeBron never won a title without Spoelstra FACT

LeBron never won a title without Haslem FACT

LeBron never won a title without black in his jersey FACT

LeBron has never won a Superbowl FACT

Any more stupid arbitrary facts? You can cherry pick these for any player ever. Bird never won anything without McHale. Hakeem never won anything without Kenny Smith.

Any competent NBA coach would win multiple titles with Jordan + Pippen and Shaq + Kobe.

The first part of your post is off-topic.
As far as the bold part is concerned, prove it............




you cant



next!

[Soundwave]

The first part of your post is off-topic.
As far as the bold part is concerned, prove it............




you cant



next!

Prove your mom didn't get f*cked up the ass by three guys last night. You can't.

next!

[JT123]

Prove your mom didn't get f*cked up the ass by three guys last night. You can't.

next!
Looks like someone is about to have another meltdown. :lol :lol :lol :lol

[livinglegend]

Prove your mom didn't get f*cked up the ass by three guys last night. You can't.

next!

reported.
This shows how weak mentally you are. You got mad over simple facts and now you bring family members to get out your anger.
reported for mental weakness

next

[sportjames23]

Soundwave staying rent free in ya'lls heads. :oldlol:

[3ball]

More hard knocks for Pip..

http://gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/1003c3250b6155c9a50993f66a829df1.gif

[Soundwave]

Soundwave staying rent free in ya'lls heads. :oldlol:

:cheers:

[Soundwave]

reported.
This shows how weak mentally you are. You got mad over simple facts and now you bring family members to get out your anger.
reported for mental weakness

next

Did you go crying to your mommy too? :lol

Technically what I said is a fact too. You can't disprove what I said. I'm just showing how retarded your logic is by using it against you.

[Y2ktors]

Actually he's 2-9. Do your research.

[JT123]

Soundwave staying rent free in ya'lls heads. :oldlol:
1-9

[Soundwave]

1-9

GOAT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adusCcba89o#t=00m08s

Trying sooooo hard to argue an agenda that even your boy sh*ts on. Doesn't get much saltier than that.

Enjoy those 9 losses from the mid-80s though too, lol. It's all you have.

[livinglegend]

GOAT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adusCcba89o

Trying sooooo hard to argue an agenda that even your boy sh*ts on. Doesn't get much saltier than that.

1-9

[Soundwave]

1-9

Is your mom still letting you post? :lol

If you're real good maybe she'll go to the store and buy the new "Calladooty" game for you, since you probably can't get it on your own (being 12 and all).

[livinglegend]

Is your mom still letting you post? :lol

If you're real good maybe she'll go to the store and buy the new "Calladooty" game for you, since you probably can't get it on your own (being 12 and all).

My personal life has nothing to do with this topic. You are off-topic.

Let's get back on topic:
1-9

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Soundwave]

My personal life has nothing to do with this topic. You are off-topic.

Let's get back on topic:
1-9

:oldlol: :oldlol:

It does actually because I enjoy talking about your mom.

Enjoy the GOAT.

[mehyaM24]

jordan fans doing what they do best: ad hominem and personal attacks

the bottom line is, before scottie was drafted, jordan was 1-9 in the playoffs.

[livinglegend]

It does actually because I enjoy talking about your mom.

Enjoy the GOAT.

The only reason why you make personal attacks is because you know you can't deny the fact. As soon as you make a personal attack during a debate, you lose the debate. You lost, give up dude.

1-9

next

[Soundwave]

12 year old Bran stans doing what they do best: Getting their panties in a wad over a mommy joke, running to their mom, also getting a 2 inch boner over the only dirt they can find on Jordan.

GOAT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adusCcba89o#t=00m08s

Retards too stupid to realize it ain't even a debate.

[Soundwave]

The only reason why you make personal attacks is because you know you can't deny the fact. As soon as you make a personal attack during a debate, you lose the debate. You lost, give up dude.

1-9

next

You lose in life.

GOAT. Unanimously. 6/6. GOAT. 30 ppg for career GOAT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adusCcba89o#t=00m08s

Here's another number you might want to get used to now: 2/6. Enjoy it.

[mehyaM24]

more use of straw-men and ad hominem attacks.

cant debate the facts? throw a temper tantrum. :oldlol:

jordan is 1-9 without scottie. dispute that.

[livinglegend]

You lose in life.

GOAT. Unanimously. 6/6. GOAT. 30 ppg for career GOAT.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adusCcba89o#t=00m08s

Here's another number you might want to get used to now: 2/6. Enjoy it.

another personal attack, proving my point.
You lost.

1-9

next

[Soundwave]

more use of straw-men and ad hominem attacks.

cant debate the facts, so they throw a temper tantrum. :oldlol:

jordan is 1-9 without scottie. dispute that.

LeBron James never won an NBA title without Dwyane Wade. Or Erik Spoelstra. Or Udonis Haslem. Dispute that.

2/5 is a sh*t record in the NBA Finals. Dispute that.

[dubeta]

livinglegend slaying the trolls :applause: :bowdown:

[livinglegend]

LeBron James never won an NBA title without Dwyane Wade. Or Erik Spoelstra. Or Udonis Haslem. Dispute that.

2/5 is a sh*t record in the NBA Finals. Dispute that.

going off-topic, as soon as you go off-topic you lose the debate.
You lost again

1-9

next

[mehyaM24]

now they've resorted to red-herrings.

this thread ain't about lebron james. its about jordan being 1-9 without scottie, the leader of the bulls.

1-9 fellas. numbers that will forever haunt jordan.

[Beastmode88]

im surprised people are still falling for this livinglegend poser. all his threads have agenda behind it. said he's not a lebron fan but he half his post are bran threads / against anyone who threatens lebron's legacy. :lol :lol :lol

[Soundwave]

:oldlol: So salty over the GOAT.

Enoy the 9 losses. Really. I want you haters to have that. Taking it away would be cruel, it would be like taking the shirt off the back off a toothless, homeless guy. It's all you got.

Not to mention this period only enhances Jordan's legacy ... NBA record 63 points in the playoffs vs. a great team like the Celtics. When you score 63 and your team still can't win, it probably says something about your team, not you as as a player anyway :oldlol:

[livinglegend]

im surprised people are still falling for this livinglegend poser. all his threads have agenda behind it. said he's not a lebron fan but he half his post are bran threads / against anyone who threatens lebron's legacy. :lol :lol :lol

All I do is post facts. There cant be any agenda behind facts. I'm known as the most objective poster in here.

[Soundwave]

im surprised people are still falling for this livinglegend poser. all his threads have agenda behind it. said he's not a lebron fan but he half his post are bran threads / against anyone who threatens lebron's legacy. :lol :lol :lol

I'm not falling for it. Just fun making fun of some idiot 12 years olds. Have some time to blow. Everyone knows what it is.

[mehyaM24]

more red-herrings. :oldlol: mythologists proving once more they dont know how to debate. sad.

[Soundwave]

more red-herrings. :oldlol: mythologists proving once more they dont know how to debate. sad.

Nerd alert. We got a debate team dweeb here. Love the multiple accounts too.

[mehyaM24]

lol jordan mythologists apparently dont know we discuss basketball on here (not that hero worship crap they do). debating is par for the course.

[Soundwave]

lol jordan mythologists apparently dont know we discuss basketball on here (not that hero worship crap they do). debating is par for the course.

Yes because debating basketball with a 12-year-old who probably can't even make his JV team because he's 5 foot 6 is really intense, thought provoking discussion.

[livinglegend]

Nerd alert. We got a debate team dweeb here. Love the multiple accounts too.

each of your replies involved personal attacks or going off-topic. This shows how strong these facts are.

[Soundwave]

each of your replies involved personal attacks or going off-topic. This shows how strong these facts are.

Rent free. LeBron won nothing without Haslem.

[livinglegend]

Rent free.

off-topic again:oldlol: :oldlol:

verryyyy strrrongg!:lol

[Soundwave]

off-topic again:oldlol: :oldlol:

verryyyy strrrongg!:lol

Is that your sister in your avatar by the way?

Rent free. :)

[dubeta]

Rent free. LeBron won nothing without Haslem.

The only thing rent free is you living on the streets Rent-free

[Soundwave]

The only thing rent free is you living on the streets Rent-free

Thanks beta.

[livinglegend]

The only thing rent free is you living on the streets Rent-free
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Beastmode88]

All I do is post facts. There cant be any agenda behind facts. I'm known as the most objective poster in here.



We are not the same person, and i m not a Lebron stan. I don't know about him.

Too easy bro. https://www.google.com/search?&q=livinglegend+lebron+site%3Ainsidehoops.com

[mehyaM24]

more personal attacks. more rage-filled posts. its ok jordan fans, we're here for you.

maybe addressing the topic would help: jordan 1-9 without pippen

dispute it

[Soundwave]

Too easy bro. https://www.google.com/search?&q=livinglegend+lebron+site%3Ainsidehoops.com

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxajavE6Cx1qjjfwm.gif

[Young X]

1st of all, MJ won 2 playoff games without Pippen, not 1.

2nd, 6 of those losses were against the 86' Celtics maybe the GOAT team. MJ was going toe to toe with them with garbage/KG in Minnesota type support. Nothing wrong with that.

[livinglegend]

1st of all, MJ won 2 playoff games without Pippen, not 1.

2nd, 6 of those losses were against the 86' Celtics maybe the GOAT team. MJ was going toe to toe with them with garbage "KG in Minnesota" type support. Nothing wrong with that.

You think we are retarded or what?:facepalm
How can you lose 6 playoffs games in 1 year?

[Soundwave]

You think we are retarded or what?:facepalm


Is that supposed to be a rhetorical question? :oldlol:

[Young X]

You think we are retarded or what?:facepalm
How can you lose 6 playoffs games in 1 year?'86 and '87 Celtics. Same sh!t.

[mehyaM24]

each of your replies involved personal attacks or going off-topic. This shows how strong these facts are.

if i had to guess, soundwave is an insecure individual who hides behind jordan's legacy to make himself feel relevant. each one of his posts just scream a cry for help.

addressing the topic would do not just him, but everyone better. afterall, we're here to talk hoops. right fellas? :rockon:

[Soundwave]

if i had to guess, soundwave is an insecure individual who hides behind jordan's legacy to make himself feel relevant. each one of his posts just scream a cry for help.

addressing the topic would do not just him, but everyone better. afterall, we're here to talk hoops. right fellas? :rockon:

:lol

[livinglegend]

if i had to guess, soundwave is an insecure individual who hides behind jordan's legacy to make himself feel relevant. each one of his posts just scream a cry for help.

addressing the topic would do not just him, but everyone better. afterall, we're here to talk hoops. right fellas? :rockon:

everyone knows that. That's why he keeps making personal attacks to feel better.

[Soundwave]

everyone knows that. That's why he keeps making personal attacks to feel better.

Definition of: rent free.

Thanks for taking time to think about me though, lol.

Seriously how do you homos even survive in junior high? I'm just trying to toughen you stupid b*tches up. Weaaaaaaak sauce.

Wah, wah, personal attack, wah, wah, mommy.

[livinglegend]

Does anyone have Pippen's playoffs record without Jordan?
Is it better than Jordan's without Pippen?

[mehyaM24]

Does anyone have Pippen's playoffs record without Jordan?
Is it better than Jordan's?

i dont have an exact number, but its AT LEAST over 10 playoff wins (less seasons without jordan too, which is key).

[dubeta]

Does anyone have Pippen's playoffs record without Jordan?
Is it better than Jordan's without Pippen?

Damn cant believe both Kobe and MJ were sidekicks :oldlol:

[Young X]

If we're gonna criticize Jordan for getting swept by the 80's Celtics with no help, what do you say about Lebron getting swept by the Spurs in 2007?

They were both the same age with no offensive support, the only difference is Jordan actually had good series', while Lebron had the worst finals series ever for an elite player.

[livinglegend]

i dont have an exact number, but its AT LEAST over 10 playoff wins (less seasons without jordan too, which is key).

Very interesting facts! More wins in less seasons! hummmm

[Beastmode88]

Damn cant believe both Kobe and MJ were sidekicks :oldlol:

Wouldn't Lebron be considered a sidekick since he joined D Wade's team? :roll:

[GODbe]

MOAT gonna MOAT:applause: .

[livinglegend]

If we're gonna criticize Jordan for getting swept by the 80's Celtics with no help, what do you say about Lebron getting swept by the Spurs in 2007?

They were both the same age with no offensive support, the only difference is Jordan actually had good series', while Lebron had the worst finals series ever for an elite player.

No help? :facepalm

[Young X]

No help? :facepalmWho helped him? :lol

[dubeta]

MOAT gonna MOAT:applause: .

This is what the league thinks about your God


http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwvmunNzox1qjkukyo1_500.gif

[Beastmode88]

No help? :facepalm

If Lebron is the GOAT why couldn't he 1v5 by himself? Would probably still be 0-1 if he didn't collude but no one would hate him and I'm sure half of you guys wouldn't be stanning him right now. Pathetic.

[livinglegend]

Who helped him? :lol

You cant help a ball hogger.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Definition of: rent free.

Thanks for taking time to think about me though, lol.

Seriously how do you homos even survive in junior high? I'm just trying to toughen you stupid b*tches up. Weaaaaaaak sauce.

Wah, wah, personal attack, wah, wah, mommy.

No offense dude, but you sound like a mental midget. You're throwing around "Mommy" jokes the rest of stopped using after, you know, growing up? The only thing you're doing here is proving what a complete goofy poster you are.

[Soundwave]

No offense dude, but you sound like a mental midget. You're throwing around "Mommy" jokes the rest of stopped using after, you know, growing up? The only thing you're doing here is proving what a complete goofy poster you are.

No offense dude, but you're taking a stupid troll thread a wee bit seriously dontcha think?

It's just in good fun.

[mehyaM24]

No offense dude, but you sound like a mental midget. You're throwing around "Mommy" jokes the rest of stopped using after, you know, growing up? The only thing you're doing here is proving what a complete goofy poster you are.

:roll: :applause:

[GODbe]

This is what the league thinks about your God


http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwvmunNzox1qjkukyo1_500.gif
That he can take a hit without falling down and sliding across the court:confusedshrug: ?

Steel-chinbe:pimp:

[Beastmode88]

You cant help a ball hogger.

It's like talking in circles when trying to have a discussion with this dude. At least if Lebron loses again this year the stans might have to disappear for longer period of time. :rockon:

[JT123]

No offense dude, but you sound like a mental midget. You're throwing around "Mommy" jokes the rest of stopped using after, you know, growing up? The only thing you're doing here is proving what a complete goofy poster you are.
Soundwave getting ethered by a fellow Jordan stan. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Soundwave]

Soundwave getting ethered by a fellow Jordan stan. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Highlight of JT's day :lol

[livinglegend]

No offense dude, but you sound like a mental midget. You're throwing around "Mommy" jokes the rest of stopped using after, you know, growing up? The only thing you're doing here is proving what a complete goofy poster you are.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[livinglegend]

It's like talking in circles when trying to have a discussion with this dude. At least if Lebron loses again this year the stans might have to disappear for longer period of time. :rockon:

so i wouldnt disappear

[Beastmode88]

so i wouldnt disappear

exposed for being a hypocrite but always ignore when called out. :sleeping Sounds like Dragic4Life. :hammerhead:

[Beastmode88]

That he can take a hit without falling down and sliding across the court:confusedshrug: ?

Steel-chinbe:pimp:

Man imagine Lebron taking 2 hits like that. :biggums: He'll fly across the arena just looking at the way he flops.

[livinglegend]

exposed for being a hypocrite but always ignore when called out. :sleeping Sounds like Dragic4Life. :hammerhead:

Exposed? how?

[Beastmode88]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10455047&postcount=145

[livinglegend]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10455047&postcount=145

how is this exposing?

[Beastmode88]

how is this exposing?

cause you're a fraud? everything you say is diarrhea of the mouth.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328651

just like this thread where you can't even take a simple avi bet. j-o-k-e-r. 0 credibility / nothing but lebron agenda threads. :sleeping

[Droid101]

Why would anyone respond to these clowns? Agenda driven garbage every time.

[dubeta]

I'm actually impressed with the way livinglegend argues his case, and slays these trolls

Top 3 poster on ISH imo :applause:

[Beastmode88]

I'm actually impressed with the way livinglegend argues his case, and slays these trolls

Top 3 poster on ISH imo :applause:

Top 3 poster to a bandwagonner (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=341184) :sleeping. How much bran slaying do I have to do tonight? Putting in some OT as of now.

[livinglegend]

I'm actually impressed with the way livinglegend argues his case, and slays these trolls

Top 3 poster on ISH imo :applause:
:cheers: :cheers:

[Meticode]

http://media.tumblr.com/7bea968fc9cdc35845fd8880da41fbfd/tumblr_inline_mzxfklAy7o1s4v4p9.gif

[TheMan]

Just a suggestion to other posters who aren't complete idiots like livinglegend, dubeta, dradic4life, JTwhatever, etc. Let's just ignore these troll threads, they're worthless. 1-9 doesn't mean shit and no serious basketball person ever mentions this besides these morons who have absolutely nothing else to critisize Jordan over. He was young, had no help and was going up against legendary teams. MJ put up monster stats but his team wasn't that good, ultimately, it takes a team to win, they know it to, they just like trolling because they're 15 year old virgins and they're bored.

Let's do ourselves a favor and just let these morons circlejerk each other and don't fall for their troll threads, notice how no one else but us MJ fans come here and fall for their shit? No one takes these clowns seriously. MJ is the consensus GOAT, if they want to harp on 1-9 like it actually matters outside of ISH and these retards, THEN LET THEM. Even legit Bron stans like Pauk and NumberSix don't align themselves with these goofs. They know 1-9 is meaningless.

Just ignore them and let their garbage threads die, we're only encouraging them by getting in a back and forth with these dimwits.

I've had my say and I'm out.:pimp:

[04mzwach]

:lebronamazed:

http://www.gifsforum.com/images_new/gif/other/grand/Scottie_Pippen_Ultimate_Defend_2dae1c4587dbe2e8ea9 c13bb6c521788.gif

[dubeta]

The original founder of this fabulous stat


Livinglegend :applause: :bowdown:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

13 pages of absolutely traumatized Jordan stans...LeBron Family wins again :applause:

[AlphaWolf24]

Just a suggestion to other posters who aren't complete idiots like livinglegend, dubeta, dradic4life, JTwhatever, etc. Let's just ignore these troll threads, they're worthless. 1-9 doesn't mean shit and no serious basketball person ever mentions this besides these morons who have absolutely nothing else to critisize Jordan over. He was young, had no help and was going up against legendary teams. MJ put up monster stats but his team wasn't that good, ultimately, it takes a team to win, they know it to, they just like trolling because they're 15 year old virgins and they're bored.

Let's do ourselves a favor and just let these morons circlejerk each other and don't fall for their troll threads, notice how no one else but us MJ fans come here and fall for their shit? No one takes these clowns seriously. MJ is the consensus GOAT, if they want to harp on 1-9 like it actually matters outside of ISH and these retards, THEN LET THEM. Even legit Bron stans like Pauk and NumberSix don't align themselves with these goofs. They know 1-9 is meaningless.

Just ignore them and let their garbage threads die, we're only encouraging them by getting in a back and forth with these dimwits.

I've had my say and I'm out.:pimp:



http://cdn.meme.am/images/8996.jpg

lol this guy..

[livinglegend]

The original founder of this fabulous stat


Livinglegend :applause: :bowdown:
:cheers: :cheers:

[Living Being]

http://s1.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/lebron-dunk-fail-nba-fail-gifs.gif

[Springsteen]

http://s1.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/lebron-dunk-fail-nba-fail-gifs.gif

what the hell happened here :biggums:

[sportjames23]

MJ been retired over ten years and still living RENT FREE in OP's pinhead.

[scandisk_]

what the hell happened here :biggums:

slippery when wet

[Da_Realist]

It's a lot of hot air. What is the ceiling? I don't think anyone faults MJ for taking a game off the Bucks his rookie year. So 1-3 is fine.

The next year, he missed 64 games. The team went 21-43 (33% win pct) without him. He came back and the team goes 9-9 (50%). And he was coming back from a leg injury. :confusedshrug: The team restricted his minutes during his comeback. The first 5 games he played 13, 14, 15, 16 and 16 mins. The Bulls lost all 5 games. The next 10 games he played between 19 and 37 mins. They went 6-4. He only started 4 of these 15 games. (They started off the season 3-0 with him healthy).

They had no choice but to face the 86 Celtics. They had no business taking a game from the Celtics but they almost did just that...losing in double overtime in Boston Garden thanks to MJ's 63. That woke the Celtics up, who threw everything but the kitchen sink at him in Game 3 and Chicago lost as they should have to a better team focused on closing them out. So 0-3 doesn't look that horrible, all things considered.

The next year, the team goes 40-42. (How many could the team have won if they had the full 86 season to build chemistry with MJ instead of just a few games?) Look over the roster, look at the other teams in the conference and the league and see how many games that team should have won if you replace MJ with someone else. 50? 55? Let's say some other guy could get them 5 more wins. How many wins should the Bulls have stolen in the playoffs? One? Two? The biggest hater would probably say at most two... the team wasn't that good and the conference was deep with talent and experience.

All this over two (hypothetical) wins. 3-9 instead of 1-9. Whoop-de-do.

[veilside23]

13 pages of absolutely traumatized Jordan stans...LeBron Family wins again :applause:


still salty that barkley never won a ring because jordan was in his way... oh well you will always hate jordan and always put lebron on top because he was the biggest obstacle to your ever beloved charles barkley

[oh the horror]

13 pages of absolutely traumatized Jordan stans...LeBron Family wins again :applause:




How do you figure? You fools are defending a position against the legacy of a player that has been retired for quite some time now against a currently active player that still cannot seem to get from out of Jordan's shadow even though he's been gone from the game.



I'd call that a loss dude.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

How do you figure? You fools are defending a position against the legacy of a player that has been retired for quite some time now against a currently active player that still cannot seem to get from out of Jordan's shadow even though he's been gone from the game.



I'd call that a loss dude.

This is a discussion forum. We discuss past/present NBA here. Deal with it.

[Trollsmasher]

13 pages of absolutely traumatized Jordan stans...LeBron Family wins again :applause:
LeBron Family did a solid job in this thread

Hold this L MJ stans

[Marchesk]

LeBron Family did a solid job in this thread

Hold this L MJ stans

Best hope the Cavs win this upcoming series.

[Elosha]

It's a lot of hot air. What is the ceiling? I don't think anyone faults MJ for taking a game off the Bucks his rookie year. So 1-3 is fine.

The next year, he missed 64 games. The team went 21-43 (33% win pct) without him. He came back and the team goes 9-9 (50%). And he was coming back from a leg injury. :confusedshrug: The team restricted his minutes during his comeback. The first 5 games he played 13, 14, 15, 16 and 16 mins. The Bulls lost all 5 games. The next 10 games he played between 19 and 37 mins. They went 6-4. He only started 4 of these 15 games. (They started off the season 3-0 with him healthy).

They had no choice but to face the 86 Celtics. They had no business taking a game from the Celtics but they almost did just that...losing in double overtime in Boston Garden thanks to MJ's 63. That woke the Celtics up, who threw everything but the kitchen sink at him in Game 3 and Chicago lost as they should have to a better team focused on closing them out. So 0-3 doesn't look that horrible, all things considered.

The next year, the team goes 40-42. (How many could the team have won if they had the full 86 season to build chemistry with MJ instead of just a few games?) Look over the roster, look at the other teams in the conference and the league and see how many games that team should have won if you replace MJ with someone else. 50? 55? Let's say some other guy could get them 5 more wins. How many wins should the Bulls have stolen in the playoffs? One? Two? The biggest hater would probably say at most two... the team wasn't that good and the conference was deep with talent and experience.

All this over two (hypothetical) wins. 3-9 instead of 1-9. Whoop-de-do.

^^^ This. Thank you Da Realist. This synopsis largely refutes the entire 1-9 supposition. To add my comments:

First, it's better for Jordan to make the playoff in his first two years and put up historically great numbers against the all-time great 86 Celtics than to fail to make the playoffs at all like Lebron did in his first two years. So if we want to argue "1-9," I suppose we should start arguing for Lebron, "0-0 and 0-0." But both conclusions are equally ridiculous, and "blaming" Jordan and Lebron for this is quite silly.

Second, both Jordan and Lebron came to historically bad teams, although I'd argue Jordan may have had an additional obstacle because of a number of Bulls' players rampant drug usage, including Quinton Dailey, a talented but troubled player who was said to be a cancer in the locker room. Dailey was also convicted of sexual assault, was openly jealous of Jordan, and once in March 1985, had a ballboy bring him pizza, soda, and popcorn while he as on the bench. Talk about chemistry problems...Very few superstars ever came to as poorly managed a team and "losing attitude" culture as Jordan did. Orlando Woolridge was a very talented yet career underachiever and terrible leader, and he was the Bulls' second best player after Jordan. The rest of the roster was complete junk. As bad as Cleveland was in 2003, I firmly believe Jordan came into a worse environment. And he added something like over 20 wins to the Bulls pathetic 1983 win total.

Third, losing 3 to 1 in a best of 5 series is a much closer series than losing 4 to 1 in a best of 7. Milwaukee was a clearly superior team in 1985 playoffs, yet Jordan played very well overall, over 29 points/game, solid rebounding and assists, and hit the gamewinner in their win. This was against Sidney Moncrief, one of best perimeter defenders in history and a potent offensive threat.

Fourth, as Da Realist states, how can you possibly blame Jordan for not having a higher seed in 85-86 when he missed practically the whole season and faced extreme minute restrictions when he returned? That foot injury changed Jordan's and indeed the whole Bulls' arc for the two following years. Had Jordan not had the injury, we'd have a another season where Jordan would have likely averaged over 30 ppg, and very likely his first scoring title. The Bulls would have had a higher seed, so the legendary series and 63 point game against the Celtics would not have occurred, unless in second or third rounds, if the Bulls could have won the first round.

Lastly, because Jordan missed 85-86 season, he really was pressing both to score and to win in 1987 but still had trust and chemistry issues with his still unproven and undertalented teammates. Keep in mind that Scottie and Horace were talented but very raw rookies with little overall impact in 87. The two other best players Brad Sellers (offensively talented but horribly inconsistent and mentally weak) and Charles Oakley (tremendous rebounder/enforcer, locker room leader but not offensive game) could rarely provide adequate scoring punch to complement Jordan's 37.1 ppg average. It's probably fair to assess some blame to Jordan for not getting the Bulls a higher than 40-42 season and getting a better seed. But again, when taken in context, keep in mind what happened the previous year. Should he have won some games against the 1987 Celtics and played better? Yes, I think so. 1987 was probably his worst playoff in his career. Yet I'd take that "failure" in 1987 over the multiple bad playoff "failures" in Lebron's career any day.

1-9ers. You don't really see Jordan fans on ISH castigating Lebron over his failure to make the playoffs in his first two years. Now that you've been educated as to the context of Jordan's first three years, maybe you will now be able to return the courtesy.

[LAZERUSS]

I find it fascinating that the MJ apologists defend Jordan's "1-9" with examples of poor rosters and facing great teams, and yet, many of them will bash Wilt, whose entire playoff career involved combinations of poor rosters, putrid play by teammates in the post-season, and most importantly, going up against stacked rosters.

MJ's '86 and '87 Bulls were swept by two great Celtic teams. Chamberlain faced the Celtic Dynasty in EIGHT of his first ten seasons. And the reality was, his teams were under-dogs in SIX of them, and in the other two, his rosters were decimated by injuries (including multiple injuries to himself), and horrific coaching which clearly cost his team a title.

Then, in his last four playoff seasons, he was playing on a surgically repaired knee (that would have benched 99.9% of the other NBA players for at least one year, and likely would have limited the rest of their careers...ala Baylor.) In those four years he faced a HOF-laden Knicks team three times, and the dominant Kareem-led Bucks twice (and in one of those he did so without his two best teammates.)

With all of that, he lost to the eventual champion in TEN of his 13 post-seasons, and won a title in two more. Other than his '61 first round lost, in a series in which he averaged a 37-23, and in which his teammates collectively shot .332 from the field, he was taking inferior rosters, that generally played even worse in the post-season, up against 12 HOf-laden rosters.

And again, the ONLY time in his playoff career in which his TEAM lost against a relatively non-stacked team, he dominated the series (and all three losses were very close), but had to carry what had been a LAST-PLACE roster that he inherited.

The rest of his playoff career was spent battling superior rosters, and against HOF centers...all of whom he generally either outplayed, or downright demolished.

In his rookie season, he carried what had been a LAST-PLACE roster the year before, to a 49-26 record. Then, with a mammoth 39-23 first round series, including a clinching game of 53-22, he led his team into the EDF's, and up against a 59-16 Celtic team that was just loaded with HOFers. His team lost a game six by two points, but had Wilt not badly injured his hand in a melee near the end of game two, which rendered him to a mere mortal status in game three (in a 120-90 loss in which Russell outscored him, 26-12, and outrebounded him, 39-26), the outcome might have been different. As it was, in a must-win game five, a healthy Chamberlain exploded for a 50-35 game in a rout. Overall, Wilt averaged 30.5 ppg, 27.5 rpg, and shot .500 (in a post-season that shot .402 overall.)

His '62 Warriors, whom he single-handedly carried past the Nats in the first round, lost to a 60-20 Celtic team, with a player advantage at every slot except the center position (and again, their center was RUSSELL), in a seven game series, and with a seventh game loss by two points. Oh, and his teammates collectively shot .354 in that playoff run.

In '64 he again single-handedly carried what had been a 31-49 team the year before, to a 48-32 record, and then in the first round of the playoffs, he put up a 39-23 seven game series (on .559 shooting, in a post-season that shot .420 overall.) Then, in the Finals, his two HOF teammates (rookie Nate Thurmond, who played part-time and out of position, and Guy Rodgers), shot .326 and .257 (yes... .257, which included two games of 0-4 and 0-12 from the field)...while Russell had SEVEN other HOF teammates on his 59-21 team. All Wilt could do in that series was averaged 29.2 ppg, 27.8 rpg (and for those that discard pure rpg numbers, he had a 22.6 TRB%), and shoot .517 from the field (again, in a post-season that shot .420 overall.) Meanwhile, he not only outrbounded Russell in that series, he held him to 11.2 ppg on a .386 FG%.

The very next year, in 64-65, Chamberlain was traded for three players and a boat-load of cash at mid-season, to a team that had gone 34-46 the year before. He then took that same depleted roster to a first round wipeout over Oscar's stacked 48-32 Royals, and then to a game seven, one point loss against Russell's HOF-laden and 62-18 Celtics...in a series in which Chamberlain averaged 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg (with a 24.9 to 20.1 TRB% advantage over Russell), and on a .555 FG% (in a post-season that shot .429 overall.) And, as usual, Wilt's teammates shot poorly (.379.)

In the 65-66 season, Chamberlain led his Sixers to the best record in the league (55-25), but the Celtics record (54-26) was deceptive, since their starters missed a substantial number of games. And in the EDF's, while Wilt averaged 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, and shot .509, his teammates collectively shot .352 from the field. In the clinching loss, Wilt put up a 46-34 game.

In every one of those series, Wilt's team was an underdog, and not only that, his teammates played even worse in the post-season...and yet, he came within an eyelash of two more titles. And, he was, by far, the best player on the floor in all of them.

So, overall, in his first six playoff seasons, his TEAM went 0-6...and all he could do was collectively average 32.8 ppg, 26.7 rpg, and shoot .505 from the field (in post-seasons that shot about .420 in that span.)

And yet, with all of that, the "bashers" would call him a "choker" (yep, a "choker" who averaged 37 ppg in his "must-win" playoff games in that span)..and would label him as "0-6."

[Elosha]

^Hey Laz. As you know I'm not a Wilt basher, and I think you've educated plenty of us on the context of Wilt's playoff performances and that he was far from a terrible playoff performer. Now I certainly wouldn't agree that he was the GOAT overall playoff performer, but I appreciate you pointing out his changing/evolving playoff role from dominant scorer to rebounder/team facilitator in later years.

So I understand your point, and trying to point out some irony with overally harsh criticism of Wilt. Still, this is primarily a thread about Jordan's supposed playoff failures, particularly to compare him to Lebron. So I don't think we need to really need lengthy analysis/comparison of Jordan to Wilt in this thread.

[Da_Realist]

Thanks for the added context! Especially on the chemistry issues and (very importantly) the difference between playing a best of 5 vs a best of 7. In a best of 5, you don't play around with a guy that is capable of winning a game against anyone on a good night. If you're the better team, you put them away. A championship team like the Celtics understood that.


Lastly, because Jordan missed 85-86 season, he really was pressing both to score and to win in 1987 but still had trust and chemistry issues with his still unproven and undertalented teammates. Keep in mind that Scottie and Horace were talented but very raw rookies with little overall impact in 87. The two other best players Brad Sellers (offensively talented but horribly inconsistent and mentally weak) and Charles Oakley (tremendous rebounder/enforcer, locker room leader but not offensive game) could rarely provide adequate scoring punch to complement Jordan's 37.1 ppg average. It's probably fair to assess some blame to Jordan for not getting the Bulls a higher than 40-42 season and getting a better seed. But again, when taken in context, keep in mind what happened the previous year. Should he have won some games against the 1987 Celtics and played better? Yes, I think so. 1987 was probably his worst playoff in his career. Yet I'd take that "failure" in 1987 over the multiple bad playoff "failures" in Lebron's career any day.

Pippen and Grant weren't on the 87 team so even their raw talent wasn't added until the next year.

When 3 years can be condensed with no concern for the context, there is no search for truth -- just agenda. Much easier to draw conclusions from "1-9" than to research any context surrounding those numbers.

[LAZERUSS]

^Hey Laz. As you know I'm not a Wilt basher, and I think you've educated plenty of us on the context of Wilt's playoff performances and that he was far from a terrible playoff performer. Now I certainly wouldn't agree that he was the GOAT overall playoff performer, but I appreciate you pointing out his changing/evolving playoff role from dominant scorer to rebounder/team facilitator in later years.

So I understand your point, and trying to point out some irony with overally harsh criticism of Wilt. Still, this is primarily a thread about Jordan's supposed playoff failures, particularly to compare him to Lebron. So I don't think we need to really need lengthy analysis/comparison of Jordan to Wilt in this thread.

I certainly wasn't directing this at you.

As for the MJ-Lebron comparisons...while Lebron has generally been brilliant in his post-seasons (and it certainly wasn't his fault for most of his playoff "losses"), MJ has had the better post-season career.

And I rank Jordan as among the "GOATS" (MJ, Wilt, Magic, Kareem, and Russell), but not as THE GOAT.

None other than John Wooden made the observation that, had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters (and coaches), that it would have been Chamberlain holding all those rings.

And, at the least, Wilt likely would have had 7+ rings in his career in that scenario. Where would a Chamberlain with 7+ rings (and therefore a Russell with maybe five, or so)...be ranked all-time?

As it was, Wilt lost to the eventual champion 10 times, and in five of those, the series went to seven games, four of which were decided by margins of 4, 2, 2, and 1 point. It was not like Chamberlain was just getting blown-out in the post-season.

Again, I have no problem with those that rank MJ at #1. His resume is worthy of that. I just don't have him as a clear-cut #1.

And as for Lebron...barring injury, he still has perhaps five+ seasons left in his prime. Only time will tell where he will finish all-time. I suspect that he will join the "immortal five" as I like to call them.

[Elosha]

Thanks for the added context! Especially on the chemistry issues and (very importantly) the difference between playing a best of 5 vs a best of 7. In a best of 5, you don't play around with a guy that is capable of winning a game against anyone on a good night. If you're the better team, you put them away. A championship team like the Celtics understood that.



Pippen and Grant weren't on the 87 team so even their raw talent wasn't added until the next year.

When 3 years can be condensed with no concern for the context, there is no search for truth -- just agenda. Much easier to draw conclusions from "1-9" than to research any context surrounding those numbers.

That's right, they only came in 1987-88 season. Thanks for pointing that out. Trying to drag Jordan down with a clueless "1-9" mantra, with no concern for details. It makes me shake my head at the reasoning ability of some of these posters.

[Elosha]

I certainly wasn't directing this at you.

As for the MJ-Lebron comparisons...while Lebron has generally been brilliant in his post-seasons (and it certainly wasn't his fault for most of his playoff "losses"), MJ has had the better post-season career.

And I rank Jordan as among the "GOATS" (MJ, Wilt, Magic, Kareem, and Russell), but not as THE GOAT.

None other than John Wooden made the observation that, had Wilt and Russell swapped rosters (and coaches), that it would have been Chamberlain holding all those rings.

And, at the least, Wilt likely would have had 7+ rings in his career in that scenario. Where would a Chamberlain with 7+ rings (and therefore a Russell with maybe five, or so)...be ranked all-time?

As it was, Wilt lost to the eventual champion 10 times, and in five of those, the series went to seven games, four of which were decided by margins of 4, 2, 2, and 1 point. It was not like Chamberlain was just getting blown-out in the post-season.

Again, I have no problem with those that rank MJ at #1. His resume is worthy of that. I just don't have him as a clear-cut #1.

And as for Lebron...barring injury, he still has perhaps five+ seasons left in his prime. Only time will tell where he will finish all-time. I suspect that he will join the "immortal five" as I like to call them.

Yes, I respect all of that. Wilt is an historically great player, and deserves to be placed in the pantheon of all the greatest. And I would argue that Lebron still has an opportunity to do well enough in his remaining career to have a chance at being argued in the conversation of GOAT. But he's still got lots of work to do.

[LAZERUSS]

Yes, I respect all of that. Wilt is an historically great player, and deserves to be placed in the pantheon of all the greatest. And I would argue that Lebron still has an opportunity to do well enough in his remaining career to have a chance at being argued in the conversation of GOAT. But he's still got lots of work to do.

:cheers:

[sekachu]

It's a lot of hot air. What is the ceiling? I don't think anyone faults MJ for taking a game off the Bucks his rookie year. So 1-3 is fine.

The next year, he missed 64 games. The team went 21-43 (33% win pct) without him. He came back and the team goes 9-9 (50%). And he was coming back from a leg injury. :confusedshrug: The team restricted his minutes during his comeback. The first 5 games he played 13, 14, 15, 16 and 16 mins. The Bulls lost all 5 games. The next 10 games he played between 19 and 37 mins. They went 6-4. He only started 4 of these 15 games. (They started off the season 3-0 with him healthy).

They had no choice but to face the 86 Celtics. They had no business taking a game from the Celtics but they almost did just that...losing in double overtime in Boston Garden thanks to MJ's 63. That woke the Celtics up, who threw everything but the kitchen sink at him in Game 3 and Chicago lost as they should have to a better team focused on closing them out. So 0-3 doesn't look that horrible, all things considered.

The next year, the team goes 40-42. (How many could the team have won if they had the full 86 season to build chemistry with MJ instead of just a few games?) Look over the roster, look at the other teams in the conference and the league and see how many games that team should have won if you replace MJ with someone else. 50? 55? Let's say some other guy could get them 5 more wins. How many wins should the Bulls have stolen in the playoffs? One? Two? The biggest hater would probably say at most two... the team wasn't that good and the conference was deep with talent and experience.

All this over two (hypothetical) wins. 3-9 instead of 1-9. Whoop-de-do.


:applause:

[diamenz]

LeBron Family did a solid job in this thread

Hold this L MJ stans

kinda hard to convince youngsters that never even saw mj play.

[DJ Leon Smith]

LeBron Family did a solid job in this thread

Hold this L MJ stans

OK.

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