Muhammad is the most popular name for baby boys in England

[tomtucker]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2725724/How-Muhammad-popular-baby-boys-England-Wales-doesn-t-official-list-ways-spell-it.html

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[KobesFinger]

Meh, Daily Fail

[DCL]

england, the country that forced christianity down everyone's throats, is being converted to islam by population default. :lol

[9512]

england, the country that forced christianity down everyone's throats, is being converted to islam by population default. :lol

I was gonna say...:lol

While we're at it, England also have had their influence in India and China from an economics perspective and now both of those are rising threats to England and the USA's economical supremacy.:applause:

[Patrick Chewing]

Well, that's cause every Muslim names their first-born Muhammad or some shit.

Not sure I'd want to be associated with a pedophile, but to each his own.

[Rodmantheman]

england, the country that forced christianity down everyone's throats, is being converted to islam by population default. :lol

:lebronamazed:

[NumberSix]

england, the country that forced christianity down everyone's throats, is being converted to islam by population default. :lol
Actually, England is one of the countries that had Christianity forced down it's throat.

[Patrick Chewing]

Actually, England is one of the countries that had Christianity forced down it's throat.


Truth! :applause:

[ottooooooo]

what about henry there were at least 8 of those

[Nanners]

Not sure I'd want to be associated with a pedophile, but to each his own.

well then why the fck are you a christian?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

[TheMan]

Never would've guessed Muhammad Ali was that popular in England.

[pauk]

Well, that's cause every Muslim names their first-born Muhammad or some shit.

Not sure I'd want to be associated with a pedophile, but to each his own.

No, Muhammad is an Arabic name.... there is even Christian Arabs (Lebanon/Syria/Palestine) who can be named Muhammed/Mohammed/Muhamed whatever...... its a name that existed in middle-east long before Islam... you dont see Slavic muslims over here (fr. yugoslavia) being named Mohammed....

[Ratnik]

http://loganswarning.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/No-Islam-crescent-EU.jpg

[senelcoolidge]

:facepalm England.

[MavsSuperFan]

Hopefully most of the muslims get to enjoy the freedom of liberal societies and become more secular. Liberalism secularized christian europe to the point that some countries are more atheist than christan now, hopefully it does the same to muslim youth

[NumberSix]

Hopefully most of the muslims get to enjoy the freedom of liberal societies and become more secular. Liberalism secularized christian europe to the point that some countries are more atheist than christan now, hopefully it does the same to muslim youth
At who's expense?

[Brizzly]

well then why the fck are you a christian?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

Those are Christian individuals... You do know that there is actually over a billion Christians?

[Brizzly]

No, Muhammad is an Arabic name.... there is even Christian Arabs (Lebanon/Syria/Palestine) who can be named Muhammed/Mohammed/Muhamed whatever...... its a name that existed in middle-east long before Islam... you dont see Slavic muslims over here (fr. yugoslavia) being named Mohammed....

No, there isn't a single Christian born with the name Muhammed. Palestine, 66 % of Lebanon and 90 % of Syria are muslims.

[Trollsmasher]

Hopefully most of the muslims get to enjoy the freedom of liberal societies and become more secular. Liberalism secularized christian europe to the point that some countries are more atheist than christan now, hopefully it does the same to muslim youth
actually the younger muslim generations (2nd, 3rd) tend to be worse than the actual immigrants

[NumberSix]

actually the younger muslim generations (2nd, 3rd) tend to be worse than the actual immigrants
This.

The parents escape what they know to be a shithole. The kids who have never been to the shithole get radicalized

[masonanddixon]

At who's expense?

This is exactly the critical question.

Multiculturalism has been a disaster in every country in which it has been introduced.

[pauk]

No, there isn't a single Christian born with the name Muhammed. Palestine, 66 % of Lebanon and 90 % of Syria are muslims.

1. Yes, there is, i have a Lebanese Christian very good friend in Denmark named just that, Mohamad (variation, but really, same shit), but yea its not common at all.... but Ibrahim, Yusuf, Hassan, Salim for example are though popular also as they are popular names for arabic muslims aswell... .. you would be very surprised at all the similarity there is between a christian & muslim ARAB.... dont confuse ideology/religion with culture or race/nationality.... a Christian in Mexico talks different, has different name, wears traditionally much more different clothes, different food etc, even different race compared to a Christian in say Germany....

2. I didnt state Palestine/Syria/Lebanon are pre-dominantly christian, but that there are many christians there mostly, compared to the other countries in middle-east.

[MavsSuperFan]

actually the younger muslim generations (2nd, 3rd) tend to be worse than the actual immigrants
thats unfortunate. Hopefully all the extreme go towards the islamic state to fight there.

[pauk]

http://loganswarning.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/No-Islam-crescent-EU.jpg

lol? what are you a Cetnik or something?

[NumberSix]

thats unfortunate. Hopefully all the extreme go towards the islamic state to fight there.
I think immigrant Muslims born in Europe are actually the largest group fighting for ISIS. Hopefully, these dirtbags won't be allowed back into Europe.

[moaz]

http://loganswarning.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/No-Islam-crescent-EU.jpg

56 million Muslims in Europe, 7.6% of population (http://www.muslimpopulation.com/Europe/).

Excuse me Sir, I think your gif is outdated.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

This is exactly the critical question.

Multiculturalism has been a disaster in every country in which it has been introduced.
http://www.forgetthebox.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/multicultural-canadian-map-thumb14232102.jpg

[KingBeasley08]

This is exactly the critical question.

Multiculturalism has been a disaster in every country in which it has been introduced.
Except for the USA. But that just speaks again to our greatness :pimp:

[navy]

The problem with Muslim's in Europe is that they keep being accommodated even into the law. Never accommodate religions. Tell them to live by the secular rules or fvck off.

[moaz]

The problem with Muslim's in Europe is that they keep being accommodated even into the law. Never accommodate religions. Tell them to live by the secular rules or fvck off.

Examples? and please from a trustworthy source (and not Pamella Giller kind of websites).

Better would be a link to the an official Law/Act/Legislation/Regulation/Proclamation/Amendment/Statue/Decree/Executive Order site. Something like Legislation.gov.uk, www.legifrance.gouv.fr/, http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/

I'll also be happy with of a Bill currently debated.

The example should be legislated only for Muslims and not a Legislation that accommodate all Religions and is also used by Muslims (like animal Kosher butchering which applies for Jews and Muslims)

It can be from any European Country with the exemption of Albania, Kosovo or Bosnia and Herzegovina for obvious reasons.

[KobesFinger]

The problem with Muslim's in Europe is that they keep being accommodated even into the law. Never accommodate religions. Tell them to live by the secular rules or fvck off.

France outlawed the niqab and burka, something I wish we'd do here. It isn't a racist thing, its about being able to identify people. We don't even say Merry Christmas anymore for fear of offending Muslims which is stupid because they accept Christian holidays. John Lewis is going to start selling hijabs which I disagree with. There are Asian shops that sell them, no need to make them. I bet you won't see John Lewis selling Rasta hats, turbans or a Kippah.

[StephHamann]

France outlawed the niqab and burka, something I wish we'd do here. It isn't a racist thing, its about being able to identify people. We don't even say Merry Christmas anymore for fear of offending Muslims which is stupid because they accept Christian holidays. John Lewis is going to start selling hijabs which I disagree with. There are Asian shops that sell them, no need to make them. I bet you won't see John Lewis selling Rasta hats, turbans or a Kippah.

The PC agenda is ridiculous in the UK

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2103175/Boy-7-branded-racist-asking-schoolmate-Are-brown-come-Africa.html

In 50 years it will be a Islamic Republic anyway

[LJJ]

Except for the USA. But that just speaks again to our greatness :pimp:

The USA has a population that is 75% Christian (it's probably even higher nominally) and not even 1% Muslim. They have ethnic diversity, but they don't even come close to the religious diversity that exists in Western Europe.

The problems we are talking about come largely from religion, not so much from ethnicity.

The US also handles immigration flat out better than Europe. A lot fo the people arguing for a better immigration policy in Europe look at the US as a positive example and want similar standards as those the US imposes on their immigrants.

[senelcoolidge]

You understand if you have read the Koran and it's supplements. That they will infiltrate countries and than conquer them. I know it sounds strange but it's true if you do your homework.

[moaz]

You understand if you have read the Koran and it's supplements. That they will infiltrate countries and than conquer them. I know it sounds strange but it's true if you do your homework.

As I asked in the Law accommodation thread (without answer yet), could you please point out the places in Koran where they are ordered to infiltrate and conquer?

I know the book is big and you'll find stuff about fighting and conquering and spreading the word (sounds familiar, doesn't it?), but what I really like to see is a continuous and interrelated paragraph where the infiltrating and conquering business is stated.

And btw what are the supplements of the Koran, I am very interested to know these. Do you mean something like Breivick's Manifesto supplementary character to the Bible?

[masonanddixon]

Except for the USA. But that just speaks again to our greatness :pimp:

lol places like California are already 3rd world, man.

[ace23]

France outlawed the niqab and burka, something I wish we'd do here. It isn't a racist thing, its about being able to identify people.
What?

[Patrick Chewing]

well then why the fck are you a christian?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases


Not the same thing you idiot. People don't worship pedophile priests.

But billions worship a pedophile Muhammad.

[KingBeasley08]

The USA has a population that is 75% Christian (it's probably even higher nominally) and not even 1% Muslim. They have ethnic diversity, but they don't even come close to the religious diversity that exists in Western Europe.

The problems we are talking about come largely from religion, not so much from ethnicity.

The US also handles immigration flat out better than Europe. A lot fo the people arguing for a better immigration policy in Europe look at the US as a positive example and want similar standards as those the US imposes on their immigrants.
True, Europe is also in a trickier spot that the countries are connected through land so immigration enforcement can be tricky. A lot of the muslims that would want to come to USA would have to go through an ocean. Ironically, we're going through a Mexican invasion through one of the two countries we do border

[Patrick Chewing]

France outlawed the niqab and burka, something I wish we'd do here. It isn't a racist thing, its about being able to identify people.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ZjrrYYuebok/TFxe5QZJFbI/AAAAAAAAAhU/9Wq_0qnmDrI/s1600/NJ+Drivers+License.jpg

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f381/RamsandGolf/Forums/DriversLicense.jpg


No country should ever allow this ^^^

[LJJ]

And btw what are the supplements of the Koran, I am very interested to know these. Do you mean something like Breivick's Manifesto supplementary character to the Bible?

Supplements to the Koran refers to the Hadith. The Koran is considered to be the direct word of God as revealed to Muhammad. The Hadith are the sayings and teachings of Muhammad written down by various priests.

So the Hadith are a bit similar to the Gospel, except there are many and which are taken seriously varies wildly between the different Islamic sects. Much of Shariah and Islamic tradition is based on Hadiths and not on the Koran.



Honestly you are a little out of you depth if you know this little about the subject matter. Or you are being deliberately obtuse.

[eliteballer]

Islam's as native to England as Christianity so...whatever.

[moaz]

Or you are being deliberately obtuse.

Kind of guilty here. You need to know the level of some discussions before you waste your time trying to argue in one way or another.


Supplements to the Koran refers to the Hadith. The Koran is considered to be the direct word of God as revealed to Muhammad. The Hadith are the sayings and teachings of Muhammad written down by various priests.
So the Hadith are a bit similar to the Gospel, except there are many and which are taken seriously varies wildly between the different Islamic sects. Much of Shariah and Islamic tradition is based on Hadiths and not on the Koran.

Ok, thats actually accurate description of the Hadith. With one exemption: the Hadith was never a supplement to the Koran in the sense that you might find something contradicting or even varying from it.
Anything in the Koran is considered final and absolute. It is usually about Beliefs, Doctrines, Jurisprudence ans some of the Acts of Worship. It also states how to deal with non-Muslims.
The Hadith explains stuff like all the Acts of worship, day to day matters, special situations and so on. It also contains a LOT of Koran interpretation.

Now back to topic: The Hadith-science was established 50-100 years after Mohamed's death. The main Hadith books (at least the 3-4 authentic ones) were compiled in the next 100 years. Thus, In the time of Umayyad Caliphate, and the beginnings of the Abbasid Caliphate, where the Muslim Empire was the strongest political and military entity in the world.

In this time the Islamic rulers had both the Koran and the Hadith for their disposal. Yet, they didn't pursuit any Christians, Jews, Yazidis (the Yazidis and Christians that are killed now by the lunatic ISIS didn't move there last year, the have been living under Islamic rule for more than a thousand years).
These rulers had non Muslim first ministers, doctors, army generals, main traders and so on. They dealt with Non Muslim states in absolutely political ways, war when necessary but peace was always better.

They didn't forget that they must "spread the word". But what non of the websites which many of the posters here have as their main Islam information source mention, that areas with the some of biggest Muslim consternation such as Indonesia and the rest of South East Asia, Sub Saharan Africa became Islamic without any soldier.

[NumberSix]

Islam's as native to England as Christianity so...whatever.
Not really. Christianity in Britannia predates the existence of "England". Christianity also has an official position in the state/government. England has an official state religion. Church and state aren't separate like in the US. It is officially an Anglican country. The Queen is the head of state and the head of the church.

[eliteballer]

Not really. Christianity in Britannia predates the existence of "England". Christianity also has an official position in the state/government. England has an official state religion. Church and state aren't separate like in the US. It is officially an Anglican country. The Queen is the head of state and the head of the church.

You're trying too hard. Nothing you said falsifies my statement. Neither religion is native to England, "Britannia", or whatever other term you want to use to identify the British Isles in order to look intelligent. Both originated in the Middle East.

[NumberSix]

You're trying too hard. Nothing you said falsifies my statement. Neither religion is native to England, "Britannia", or whatever other term you want to use to identify the British Isles in order to look intelligent. Both originated in the Middle East.
I'm not talking about the British isles. I'm talking about the roman province of Britannia which existed almost 1,000 years before England. It was the land that today is England and Wales.

Catholicism is NATIVE to the Roman Empire, which Britannia was a part of.

[eliteballer]

I'm not talking about the British isles. I'm talking about the roman province of Britannia which existed almost 1,000 years before England. It was the land that today is England and Wales.

Catholicism is NATIVE to the Roman Empire, which Britannia was a part of.

:oldlol: That's like saying Hinduism is native to Canada.

[Patrick Chewing]

You're both right. Christianity predates Islam. Christianity originated in the Levant region/Eastern Mediterranean. However, Great Britain (which was under Roman Rule) was founded as and has always been a Christian region.

[NumberSix]

:oldlol: That's like saying Hinduism is native to Canada.
You're going to have to explain that one.

I'll say it again, the people of the land were already Christian 900 years before there ever was an England. I've never heard that there was Hinduism in North America before the creation of nations like Canada.

[eliteballer]

You're going to have to explain that one.

I'll say it again, the people of the land were already Christian 900 years before there ever was an England. I've never heard that there was Hinduism in North America before the creation of nations like Canada.

You're just getting into useless semantics to try to push an agenda, neither is native to the land. Neither originated there....fact.

[NumberSix]

You're both right. Christianity predates Islam. Christianity originated in the Levant region/Eastern Mediterranean. However, Great Britain (which was under Roman Rule) was founded as and has always been a Christian region.
To be specific, Great Britain was NEVER under Roman Rule. The island consisted of 2 regions. Caledonia in the north and Britannia in the south. Britannia was a Roman province. Caledonia was not.

[NumberSix]

You're just getting into useless semantics to try to push an agenda, neither is native to the land. Neither originated there....fact.
Catholicism actually did originate in the Roman Empire.

[senelcoolidge]

Remember the Koran is written in order of biggest to smallest chapter, not chronological order. The contradictions are explained away..something like something better will come and I'll just make changes. The peaceful parts of the Koran were written before Muhammad became a warlord and went into his rampage of death. After that point the Koran is very violent.

[Patrick Chewing]

Any religion that preaches stoning, cutting of heads off, killing infidels, subjecting their women to abuse, forcing their women to wear clothing that covers their entire body, should be eradicated off the face of the Earth.

[KobesFinger]

What?

Here. (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/01/france-burqa-ban-upheld-human-rights-court) The article says that the law also banned balaclavas and other items of clothing that cover the face but Muslims feel targetted.

[senelcoolidge]

Any religion that preaches stoning, cutting of heads off, killing infidels, subjecting their women to abuse, forcing their women to wear clothing that covers their entire body, should be eradicated off the face of the Earth.

If you took a map of the world right now and saw where all of the Islamic conflicts were..and suddenly erased them..the world would be SO much peaceful. There are Islamic conflicts of course in the Middle East, Asia (Philippines, Western China, Indonsia(sp.) ) Africa (many places), Eastern and soon Western Europe and they brought it here on 9/11.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Any religion that preaches stoning, cutting of heads off, killing infidels, subjecting their women to abuse, forcing their women to wear clothing that covers their entire body, should be eradicated off the face of the Earth.
Hold up, I'm not Muslim, but I have a couple muslim friends and they're one of the nicest people I've met (2nd to Tamil Indians). Here (in Canada), the muslim women cover their bodies by choice and they feel proud of it.

As of the other things, I'm with you on that, and for the most part the abuse and killing is happening in the middle-east hence why there are so many muslims emigrating out of there/want to emigrate.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

If you took a map of the world right now and saw where all of the Islamic conflicts were..and suddenly erased them..the world would be SO much peaceful. There are Islamic conflicts of course in the Middle East, Asia (Philippines, Western China, Indonsia(sp.) ) Africa (many places), Eastern and soon Western Europe and they brought it here on 9/11.
Terrorists/extremists do not properly represent muslim people.
Pedo Priests do not properly represent catholics/christrians
Communists/fascists do not properly represent atheists.

Every religion or non-religion has bad people in it, but it doesn't make them bad.

[Lebron23]

england, the country that forced christianity down everyone's throats, is being converted to islam by population default. :lol

Hahaha

[Lebron23]

You're both right. Christianity predates Islam. Christianity originated in the Levant region/Eastern Mediterranean. However, Great Britain (which was under Roman Rule) was founded as and has always been a Christian region.
The late Muhammad was an Arian Christian.