How is Scott Brooks not considered an elite coach?

[Lebronxrings]

some people really underestimate this guy as a coach.
Let me give you some info bout this genius.

The years hes coached this squad, they have improved up to 2013 (westbrook injury). From his first year as a coach, he missed the playoffs with a 22-47 record which is bad. From there however, unlike other coaches who would fail (cough spo), he has improved every year up till 2013.
2009: lost in first round
2010: lost conf finals
2011: lost finals
2012: lost second round (westbrook injury)
2013: lost conf finals to a genius pop + partial ibaka injury

What coach can say he has significantly improved his team every year?

He has proved he can develop players. Guys like Jeff green, westbrook, harden, ibaka, durant, jackson would NOT be the players they were without brooks. Unlike other coaches who minimize talent, brooks does the opposite, rather Maximizing to their full growth.

Let me give you a list of the coaches brooks has beat in a 7 game series:
George Karl (elite)
Lionel hollins-twice (elite)
rick carlisle (elite)
Phil Jackson (GOAT)
Pop (genius)
mchale
Dave Joerger (rising coach)
doc (elite)

In all these cases, brooks has outcoached all of them!

The thunder have always throughout the years been an elite and defensive team with brooks, he understands their game and always makes them a contender. Westbrook, and durant know this, which is why they want him to stay. The main problem with okc, is they have no superstar that can help them in closing moments. Durant aint no champion, neither is westbrook. Phil had jordan, spo had lebron, okc needs that clutch guy who can make the big baskets, not trip in the final play and get shut down by a 6'0 midget.

[KobesFinger]

inb4 dubeta/dragic4lyfe

[chazzy]

It's creepy that you typed all this BS up because you love Lebron James

[Milbuck]

It's hard to suck when you have Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook.

Do you also think Spo is a legit HOF coach?

[Lebronxrings]

It's hard to suck when you have Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook.

Do you also think Spo is a legit HOF coach?
you do realize spo had lebron in his prime years right? Brooks had durant and westbrook from their rookie seasons. He helped mature and develop them into the players they are today. Its not like Spo at all.

[Smook A.]

His offensive strategy & rotations are pretty whack. He's basically what Mike Brown was to Cleveland during the LeBron James era.

[DaSeba5]

His offensive strategy and rotations are terrible. That iso offense is never going to win a title. I feel he's the biggest reason they haven't won a title yet. How is he an elite coach? Most Thunder fans I talk to can't wait to see him fired. And I think most people don't consider him an elite coach.

[Fudge]

Spo > Brooks

[aboss4real24]

Hes garbage

[Lebronxrings]

his offensive plays are not as bad as everyone thinks. The thunder are always ranked a top offensive team, throughout the league. Also, brooks is more about defensive and talks about it a whole lot more.

[Lebronxrings]

Spo > Brooks
Spo had the pieces all around him to build a contender. Brooks had to MAKE the pieces to build a contender.

[JT123]

His offensive strategy and rotations are terrible. That iso offense is never going to win a title. I feel he's the biggest reason they haven't won a title yet. How is he an elite coach? Most Thunder fans I talk to can't wait to see him fired. And I think most people don't consider him an elite coach.
The coach is always the scapegoat for when a super talented team fails to win a title. At the end of the day, the game is ultimately won by players. It's not like the Thunder have been getting blown off the floor by the teams that have eliminated them the past few years. Despite Westbrook's injury in 2013 Brooks had the Thunder in position to sweep Memphis, but Durant just couldn't close the deal. Same thing with the Spurs series this year. Brooks had them in position to at least force a game 7, but Durant couldn't hit an open 3 to tie the game in the final seconds of overtime. The best Brooks can do is put you in position to win, but he can't turn Durant into a closer.

[Milbuck]

you do realize spo had lebron in his prime years right? Brooks had durant and westbrook from their rookie seasons. He helped mature and develop them into the players they are today. Its not like Spo at all.
Durant, Westbrook, and Harden were all top 4 picks...Durant was pretty much penciled in as a scoring champ before he even played a minute in the NBA. Was Lebron developed into the player he is today because of the brilliance of Paul Silas, Brendan Malone, and Mike Brown? :oldlol:

[DaSeba5]

The coach is always the scapegoat for when a super talented team fails to win a title. At the end of the day, the game is ultimately won by players. It's not like the Thunder have been getting blown off the floor by the teams that have eliminated them the past few years. Despite Westbrook's injury in 2013 Brooks had the Thunder in position to sweep Memphis, but Durant just couldn't close the deal. Same thing with the Spurs series this year. Brooks had them in position to at least force a game 7, but Durant couldn't hit an open 3 to tie the game in the final seconds of overtime. The best Brooks can do is put you in position to win, but he can't turn Durant into a closer.

I understand that as well. Like Spo couldn't stop LeBron from choking in 2011, but he did. Durant had a mediocre playoffs last year especially compared to how he was in the regular season. But I've seen enough Thunder games to say his offensive strategy and rotations are bad.

[Dengness9]

It's creepy that you typed all this BS up because you love Lebron James


So creepy. And this dude w/ his multiple accounts actually thought he could fool people w/ what his agenda is.

It's too late for that. Stop obsessing over Durant. We understand you are infatuated with Slim Reaper.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Durant, Westbrook, and Harden were all top 4 picks...Durant was pretty much penciled in as a scoring champ before he even played a minute in the NBA. Was Lebron developed into the player he is today because of the brilliance of Paul Silas, Brendan Malone, and Mike Brown? :oldlol:
Westbrook was not supposed to be what he is today...He wasn't viewed as anything close to a superstar before the draft...So yeah Brooks deserves credit for helping to develop him (i believe even westbrook has said he Brooks has been a great teacher to him)...

[Lebronxrings]

Durant, Westbrook, and Harden were all top 4 picks. Was Lebron developed into the player he was today because of the brilliance of Paul Silas, Brendan Malone, and Mike Brown? :oldlol:
no, you cannot compare them at all. Lebron James was hyped up to be the next michael jordan all from high school. We all knew his monstrous strength/speed, great playmaking, monster defense, etc. In the thunders case, they all grew in different ways lebron didn't. Take westbrook for instance, he had the tools, which sam presti obviously knew about but didn't quite have a grasp on it. Westbrook was more of a sg who rarely played point. He did not understand the concepts of running it, nor had any real experience. You telling me brooks did not help him into learning the position? Today, westbrook is so dominant at the point, averaging around 8 assists, some even calling him the best point guard.

[dannywpt]

OP has dedicated his life to worshipping LeBron James

Some might say that's somewhat pathetic

[Lebronxrings]

I understand that as well. Like Spo couldn't stop LeBron from choking in 2011, but he did. Durant had a mediocre playoffs last year especially compared to how he was in the regular season. But I've seen enough Thunder games to say his offensive strategy and rotations are bad.
you do realize that brooks has been on par if not better than coaches he faces? The thunder are always put in the perfect position to win.

[Lebronxrings]

OP has dedicated his life to worshipping LeBron James

Some might say that's somewhat pathetic
except lebron has no relevance to what im saying. Quit trolling.

[dubeta]

Brooks is my favourite coach, he inspires his players and builds trust in them. He can also keep his composure at pressure situations.

OKC wouldnt be NEARLY as dominant without him leading the way :applause:

[Milbuck]

Westbrook was not supposed to be what he is today...He wasn't viewed as anything close to a superstar before the draft...So yeah Brooks deserves credit for helping to develop him (i believe even westbrook has said he Brooks has been a great teacher to him)...
Because he busted his ass to get where he is..we really gonna give him zero credit for coming hours early to practice and leaving hours after it ends? The dude is one of the hardest working, most intensely competitive athletes in the world, that has nothing to do with Brooks. Brooks wasn't the one in the weight room, going from a guy who (admittedly) couldn't consistently dunk until his senior year of high school to being the most explosive PG in the world.

And what do you expect Westbrook to say about his coach? "He hasn't taught me jack shit and I deserve all the credit for my success"..?

[Lebronxrings]

Because he busted his ass to get where he is..we really gonna give him zero credit for coming hours early to practice and leaving hours after it ends? The dude is one of the hardest working, most intensely competitive athletes in the world, that has nothing to do with Brooks. Brooks wasn't the one in the weight room, going from a guy who (admittedly) couldn't consistently dunk until his senior year of high school to being the most explosive PG in the world.

And what do you expect Westbrook to say about his coach? "He hasn't taught me jack shit and I deserve all the credit for my success"..?
so you're saying brooks didn't help him into becoming a much more successful PG? You aren't giving him credit.

[Milbuck]

so you're saying brooks didn't help him into becoming a much more successful PG? You aren't giving him credit.
OKC runs pretty much zero plays outside of back and forth iso ball between Westbrook and Durant. And that somehow means Brooks is developing Westbrook as a PG...Brooks coaching a shit-tier offense (structurally) and getting carried purely by the talent of the roster now = Brooks helping Westbrook.

Ok.

[Lebronxrings]

The coach is always the scapegoat for when a super talented team fails to win a title. At the end of the day, the game is ultimately won by players. It's not like the Thunder have been getting blown off the floor by the teams that have eliminated them the past few years. Despite Westbrook's injury in 2013 Brooks had the Thunder in position to sweep Memphis, but Durant just couldn't close the deal. Same thing with the Spurs series this year. Brooks had them in position to at least force a game 7, but Durant couldn't hit an open 3 to tie the game in the final seconds of overtime. The best Brooks can do is put you in position to win, but he can't turn Durant into a closer.
just saw this post :applause:

Without any experience of playing without westbrook, brooks STILL nearly beat the grizzlies. Shows how good he is.

[Genaro]

Nevermind all the BS you typed, you mistaken the years in first place.

[Lebronxrings]

OKC runs pretty much zero plays outside of back and forth iso ball between Westbrook and Durant. And that somehow means Brooks is developing Westbrook as a PG...Brooks coaching a shit-tier offense (structurally) and getting carried purely by the talent of the roster now = Brooks helping Westbrook.

Ok.
ignorant thinking. The thunder don't only just run isos, go look at their playbook.

http://www.fip.it/public/41/3533/estratto%20da%20okcthunderplaybookfinalcut.pdf

ISOs are needed only when everyone is either not playing well, or durant and westbrook are seemingly the best option. Educate yourself.

[Lebronxrings]

Nevermind all the BS you typed, you mistaken the years in first place.
i used the years of when the season started. I should have used the proper actual years though. Got confused cause i remember another thread. :cry:

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Because he busted his ass to get where he is..we really gonna give him zero credit for coming hours early to practice and leaving hours after it ends? The dude is one of the hardest working, most intensely competitive athletes in the world, that has nothing to do with Brooks. Brooks wasn't the one in the weight room, going from a guy who (admittedly) couldn't consistently dunk until his senior year of high school to being the most explosive PG in the world.


By this logic you're saying that a Coach has no role ever in developing a player? I don't get what point you're trying to make...Obviously a VAST majority of the credit should go to the player(s)...but that doesn't mean that Brooks doesn't deserve some credit...

[Optimus Prime]

Kendrick Perkins is a starter. There is much more, but really nothing else needs to be said.

:kobe:

[MavsSuperFan]

His talent is insane. He is the limiting factor

[iznogood]

ignorant thinking. The thunder don't only just run isos, go look at their playbook.

http://www.fip.it/public/41/3533/estratto%20da%20okcthunderplaybookfinalcut.pdf

ISOs are needed only when everyone is either not playing well, or durant and westbrook are seemingly the best option. Educate yourself.
This looks like a playbook a high school team would use. All plays are really simple, very obvious and easy to defend and effectively end up with either Westbrook or Durant to create something while the other players are standing. Yes, they don't call ISOs at the start of their half court possessions, but that's what they often end up with.

[Lebronxrings]

This looks like a playbook a high school team would use. All plays are really simple, very obvious and easy to defend and effectively end up with either Westbrook or Durant to create something while the other players are standing. Yes, they don't call ISOs at the start of their half court possessions, but that's what they often end up with.
hey they still score and are a top team :confusedshrug:

[BuffaloBill]

Brooks is garbage.

[Legends66NBA7]

When did he beat a team coached by Phil Jackson ?

[Le Shaqtus]

He's f*cking awful.

No sane person thinks Brooks is a good coach.

[SpecialQue]

It's creepy that you typed all this BS up because you love Lebron James

:applause:

[Lebronxrings]

It's creepy that you typed all this BS up because you love Lebron James
lebron has nothing to do with this.

[Lebronxrings]

He's f*cking awful.

No sane person thinks Brooks is a good coach.
sam presti probably does. Are you smarter then him?