Rank these Finals performances: '06 Wade, '09 Kobe, '12 LeBron

[SouBeachTalents]

Who ya got

[LoneyROY7]

Wade.

[ArbitraryWater]

Not hard:
'06 Wade (Refs or not)
'12 LeBron
'09 Kobe

'09 Kobe shooting 43%, 29% in 4th Quarters and padding some stats, obviously last.

[Optimus Prime]

'09 Kobe
'12 LeBron
'06 Referees

[JT123]

1. Lebron
2. Wade + refs
3. Kobe (43% shooting percentage) :facepalm

[SexSymbol]

1.Kobe
2.Wade
3.LeBron

[zoom17]

1.Kobe
2.Wade
3.LeBron

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[ArbitraryWater]

1.Kobe
2.Wade
3.LeBron

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[Beastmode88]

Wade
Kobe
Lebron

[dubeta]

Kobe only shot 43% in 09?? lolololol



And people have the audacity to call him a GOAT scorer

[Mr Feeny]

Well one of them is conspicuously out of place here. Kobe's woeful shooting percentage was anything but impressive.

I think its 2006 Wade followed by Lebron's 2012 finals (a great finals in its own right).
There's a big drop off to Kobe's 2009 finals in my opinion. Quite frankly, i don't see how its even in the discussion with the other two.

[Beastmode88]

Kobe only shot 43% in 09?? lolololol



And people have the audacity to call him a GOAT scorer

People remember scoring percentage at the end of the day without looking? At the end of the day the only thing that matters is winning and how you win. That is why Lebron is a loser because both his championship rings were a joke. Had 2 chances to 3 peat (2011 and 2014) but failed miserably both times (4th quarter choke in 2011 and losing 14+ points a game in 2014).

[TheNaturalWR]

Wade > LeBron > Kobe

[Lebronxrings]

lebron
wade+ refs










Kobe + phil

[Real14]

09 kobe













06 refs
12 refs

[T_L_P]

Wade
LeBron
Kobe

[masonanddixon]

06 Wade by far.
09 Kobe and Lebron 12 were average

[eliteballer]

Watch game 1 of the 09 finals and you'll see how bad Kobe's knee was. He looks totally unathletic.

[Nowitness]

Watch game 1 of the 09 finals and you'll see how bad Kobe's knee was. He looks totally unathletic.

Cool. doesn't mean it wasn't the worst Finals of the bunch.

is there ever a year where kobe isn't injured? answer - no. almost everyone is injured in the playoffs. we only seem to know about the mamba's injuries though, warrior!!!

[SexSymbol]

- Wade had the greatest PPG average, but those refs skew the performance.
- Kobe had the best individual game, worst Finals opponent and bad shooting %.

I actually think LeBron had the best series. I think he faced the best opponent of the 3, even if young the Thunder was stacked. And James definitely faced the best individual player opposition KD > Dirk, Dwight, and it was @ his position no less.
06 dirk > 12 KD

[Prometheus]

I love Wade, but he doesn't deserve a lot of credit for that series in my opinion. The calls were so blatantly biased and bad - he was just living at the free throw line.

Kobe and LeBron both had great series in '09 and '12 - but I'd definitely give LeBron the edge here. His only disadvantage was scoring 3.8 fewer points per game, but Kobe shot 58/135 while LeBron was 51/108, while rebounding nearly twice as much, leading his team in the three primary stats, playing superior defense and dealing with a far greater matchup at his position (inb4 he shared the defensive assignment with Battier).

It's funny though how Michael Jordan had a three-peat in which all three of his finals performances were significantly better than the three being discussed in this thread. GOAT gonna GOAT.

[Stringer Bell]

Wade
Lebron
Kobe

Wade gave a remarkable performance in the 06' Finals. Unfortunately it has been (understandably) overshadowed at times by the officiating, but he played a great, great series.

[iTare]

06 Wade by far.
09 Kobe and Lebron 12 were average
:lol

[masonanddixon]

:lol

Why?

Kobe wasn's really great and neither was Lebron.

Wade shot something like 65% for an entire series and didn't have a great supporting cast. Miami was stacked and nearly anyone could have replaced Lebron and won that season.

[iTare]

Why?

Kobe wasn's really great and neither was Lebron.

Wade shot something like 65% for an entire series and didn't have a great supporting cast. Miami was stacked and nearly anyone could have replaced Lebron and won that season.
:facepalm
http://38.media.tumblr.com/23f68ce2bca587cd88fe575a06d70a75/tumblr_mscn75y1nC1sqh4m0o1_400.gif

[Dragic4Life]

12 LeBron
09 Kobe


06 Wade

[Eric Cartman]

12 LeBron
09 Kobe


06 Wade

This. Wade had too much help from the refs. Maybe widen the gap between Lebron and Kobe cause of fg%.

That said, the 3 were great.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Def Rating

09 Magic 101.9
12 Thunder 103.2
06 Mavs 105.0

[ImKobe]

Def Rating

09 Magic 101.9
12 Thunder 103.2
06 Mavs 105.0

And Kobe's fg% only dipped by around 2% from his career average while he had the best AST-TO ratio out of the 3, averaging the same number assists as Lebron while averaging 32 ppg. Wade's ppg is impressive but he took 16 free throws a game :oldlol:, Kobe took 7 FTs a game and only averaged 2 less ppg while nearly having twice as many assists. I've said it a hundred times and I'll say it again, Kobe was the first since MJ in 91 to put up at least 30+ ppg 5+ rpg and 7+ apg in a Finals series, coupled with at least a steal and a block per game. How long will you keep denying him? Hurr durr he shot 43%, he shot better from 3 and from the FT line than Lebron and Wade.

Kobe took 2 less FTs a game than James and 9 FTs less per game than Wade, think about that for a second.

Kobe and Wade dominated their Finals more. Kobe opened the Finals up with a 40 point 8 rebound 8 assist 2 steal & 2 block game, he had 8 assists every game up until Game 5, where Lakers blew the Magic out (thanks to Kobe's run in the 3rd quarter).

This is how Kobe ended the series, check out the run the Lakers go on and how many of those plays were by Kobe or thanks to Kobe's efforts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUE73GqyPuU#t=78

Miami's win in 2012 was a total team effort + James Harden disappearing + Westbrook sealing Game 4 for Miami...

Just watch each of the Finals, even the highlights (buckets) are enough to see who dominated the series. Kobe and Wade flat out dominated. Lebron played a great team role.

[Mr Feeny]

Def Rating

09 Magic 101.9
12 Thunder 103.2
06 Mavs 105.0

And? A jumpshooting Kobe Bryant hardly ever had situations in which he was facing Orlando's best defender, Dwight Howard.

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[ImKobe]

And? A jumpshooting Kobe Bryant hardly ever had situations in which he was facing Orlando's best defender, Dwight Howard.

Wade and Lebron's finals》》》》》》







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So, who was Dallas' best defender? Or OKC's best defender? :roll: Lebron was guarded by who, KD? :oldlol: :hammerhead:

Who was Wade guarded by? He abused Dallas with the new rules that Cuban himself pushed for to protect perimeter players like Kobe Bryant after the 04 Finals.. You know nothing about the game kid.

[Mr Feeny]

So, who was Dallas' best defender? Or OKC's best defender? :roll: Lebron was guarded by who, KD? :oldlol: :hammerhead:

Who was Wade guarded by? He abused Dallas with the new rules that Cuban himself pushed for to protect perimeter players like Kobe Bryant after the 04 Finals.. You know nothing about the game kid.Durant is a joke? The same guy who embarassed Kobe in the second round that year and held him to 1-10 shooting on single coverage in fourth quarters?:oldlol:

Who talked to you btw? Wasn't reponding to your asinine post. Mind ur business and sit dowb. These feking Kobtards:facepalm

[ImKobe]

Durant is a joke? The same guy who embarassed Kobe in the second round that year and held him to 1-10 shooting on single coverage in fourth quarters?:oldlol:

Who talked to you btw? Wasn't reponding to your asinine post. Mind ur business and sit dowb. These feking Kobtards:facepalm

Cute neg bruh

Kobe in 2012 wasn't nearly as good as Kobe in 2009, **** outta here, and that 1-10 stat is bullshit, Kobe averaged 39-7-4 for the last 3 games of the OKC series bruh. Even if the stat is correct, it has nothing to do with Kobe's 2009 Finals or Lebron's 2012 Finals.

Kobe and Wade dominated their Finals a lot more than Lebron did, there's no shame in admitting that, and the fact that Kobe was first since peak MJ in 91 to put up 30+/5+/7+ a game..

[Mr Feeny]

Cute neg bruh

Kobe in 2012 wasn't nearly as good as Kobe in 2009, **** outta here, and that 1-10 stat is bullshit, Kobe averaged 39-7-4 for the last 3 games of the OKC series bruh.

You sound really cool brah. Bran destroyed Kobe's destroyer brah. Cheerio broski doski

[ArbitraryWater]

Guys dont forget what ImKobe is telling us, Kobe was the first one to average 32+ ppg, 5+rpg and 7+apg.... That's like THE criteria...


You really don't feel pathetic when bringing that up?

Sooo desperate to somehow put Kobe in one sentence with MJ :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Guys dont forget what ImKobe is telling us, Kobe was the first one to average 32+ ppg, 5+rpg and 7+apg.... That's like THE criteria...


You really don't feel pathetic when bringing that up?

Sooo desperate to somehow put Kobe in one sentence with MJ :oldlol:

What? It's a fact. As much as you Kobe haters bringing up the 6-24 game... You don't feel pathetic downplaying Kobe's whole career based on one game? :oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

What? It's a fact. As much as you Kobe haters bringing up the 6-24 game... You don't feel pathetic downplaying Kobe's whole career based on one game? :oldlol:Hey brah, Lebron put up 38.5, 8, 8 against the same Magic defense on 48% shooting a round earlier.

I guess Kobe's performance was not that impressive when put into context.:cheers:

[ImKobe]

You sound really cool brah. Bran destroyed Kobe's destroyer brah. Cheerio broski doski

You have nothing to retort with. I won.

[Mr Feeny]

What? It's a fact. As much as you Kobe haters bringing up the 6-24 game... You don't feel pathetic downplaying Kobe's whole career based on one game? :oldlol:

Why does everyone who counters your ridiculous points labeled a Kobe hater? Its cute....

[Lebronxrings]

What? It's a fact. As much as you Kobe haters bringing up the 6-24 game... You don't feel pathetic downplaying Kobe's whole career based on one game? :oldlol:
artest gasol phil jackson carried kobes scrubby ass.

[Mr Feeny]

artest gasol phil jackson carried kobes scrubby ass.Ooooh he madd... Go easy on him yo

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe was 6-24 in the biggest game of his life... Choked.


But whats impressive about 32+/5+/7+? I dont get it? Just because the last one to do it happened to be the GOAT?

Thats ridiculous.... Retarded..... Kobetard-esque...

The only thing good about that is the 32, and those came in 58-135 43% shooting and 27 shots per game................. Please :facepalm

[ImKobe]

Hey brah, Lebron put up 38.5, 8, 8 against the same Magic defense on 48% shooting a round earlier.

I guess Kobe's performance was not that impressive when put into context.:cheers:

Two games in that Orlando series were decided by one possession, Lebron passed it up in Game 1 and missed in Game 4... He was good at padding his stats but couldn't score when it was really needed :confusedshrug:

[Mr Feeny]

Two games in that Orlando series were decided by one possession, Lebron passed it up in Game 1 and missed in Game 4... He was good at padding his stats but couldn't score when it was really needed :confusedshrug:

If you say so.
So that choking version of Lebron who has you shrugging had no problem putting up superior numbers to Kobe though?
Cool story. proves Kobe's finals was nothing special

[ImKobe]

Kobe was 6-24 in the biggest game of his life... Choked.


But whats impressive about 32+/5+/7+? I dont get it? Just because the last one to do it happened to be the GOAT?

Thats ridiculous.... Retarded..... Kobetard-esque...

The only thing good about that is the 32, and those came in 58-135 43% shooting and 27 shots per game................. Please :facepalm

So he shot 2% lower than his career average, yet he shot 36% from 3 and 84% from the line, higher than both Wade and James, blocked more shots, had a better assist to turnover ratio :oldlol:

09 Magic defensively is better than 06 Dallas or 2012 OKC and Kobe shot pretty much his career average against them while putting up over 7 assists a game...what's your problem?

And if you actually watched the footage, the majority of his misses came in garbage time or when the Lakers were up comfortably, he was the one that made the plays that counted. How many of Pau's baskets came off a Kobe pass out of the double team or in transition? Or the Derek Fisher 3's that came out of Kobe getting all the defensive attention?

Kobe played both the point guard and the lead scorer in that series and was efficient at it, what's with the hate? Lebron and Wade shot slightly better while taking much more FTs than Kobe per game, Kobe shot better on jumpers than both of them (Lebron shot under 20% of jump shots, the majority of Kobe's shots in the 09 Finals were jump shots).

[Mr Feeny]

So he shot 2% lower than his career average, yet he shot 36% from 3 and 84% from the line, higher than both Wade and James, blocked more shots, had a better assist to turnover ratio :oldlol:

09 Magic defensively is better than 06 Dallas or 2012 OKC and Kobe shot pretty much his career average against them while putting up over 7 assists a game...what's your problem?

And if you actually watched the footage, the majority of his misses came in garbage time or when the Lakers were up comfortably, he was the one that made the plays that counted. How many of Pau's baskets came off a Kobe pass out of the double team or in transition?

Kobe played both the point guard and the lead scorer in that series and was efficient at it, what's with the hate?

38,8,8 on 48% shooting vs 32,7,6 on 43% shooting

Same team. Mmmmmm

[Mr Feeny]

Well in game 2 he made the game winner. Game 4 he knocked down 2 free thwos to tie the game with 0.5 seconds left in reg, then hit a 3 when the Cavs were down 4 points with 4 seconds left in OT. And the game winner he missed in game 4 was basically from halfcourt with 2 guys draped over him.

He's never watched the games. Take it easy on him.

[ImKobe]

38,8,8 on 48% shooting vs 32,7,6 on 43% shooting

Same team. Mmmmmm

One lost, the other won the title. Mmmmmmmm.

Maybe boxscores aren't everything and the actual games matter? Maybe Kobe played better defense than Lebron and got his teammates more opportunities with the attention that Orlando was giving him? Maybe, just maybe, Kobe actually played better in close game situations and didn't allow the other team to win the close games.

Maybe you should watch a 30-minute video of Kobe's 2009 Finals performance, or better yet, torrent the 5 games and watch the damn tape to see it for yourself.

[Mr Feeny]

One lost, the other won the title. Mmmmmmmm.

Maybe boxscores aren't everything and the actual games matter? Maybe Kobe played better defense than Lebron and got his teammates more opportunities with the attention that Orlando was giving him? Maybe, just maybe, Kobe actually played better in close game situations and didn't allow the other team to win the close games.

Maybe you should watch a 30-minute video of Kobe's 2009 Finals performance, or better yet, torrent the 5 games and watch the damn tape to see it for yourself.

Mmmm watched both series. One played better than the other but had a weaker team

38,8,8 on 48% fg
vs
33,7,6 on 44% fg
All day.

[ImKobe]

He's never watched the games. Take it easy on him.

He choked when it mattered. You had two situations (one at home), where you score at least 2 points and your team doesn't lose, in the first one, he lost the jump ball to Hedo Turkoglu (who actually tipped the ball to Mo Williams, who missed a 20-footer), in the second one, he has over 4 seconds to get a shot off, he actually receives the ball half court, goes for a 30-ft jumper rather than speed his way closer to the basket or get a teammate a better look, and obviously misses.

That's what happened, you can't spin it.

[Mr Feeny]

He choked when it mattered. You had two situations (one at home), where you score at least 2 points and your team doesn't lose, in the first one, he lost the jump ball to Hedo Turkoglu (who actually tipped the ball to Mo Williams, who missed a 20-footer), in the second one, he has over 4 seconds to get a shot off, he actually receives the ball half court, goes for a 30-ft jumper rather than speed his way closer to the basket or get a teammate a better look, and obviously misses.

That's what happened, you can't spin it.

You never watched the games though. What's to spin?
38,8,8. That is all.

[ArbitraryWater]

"HE ONLY SHOT 2% LOWER THAN HIS CAREER AVERAGE!!!"


You Kobe fans are so adorable :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Mmmm watched both series. One played better than the other but had a weaker team

38,8,8 on 48% fg
vs
33,7,6 on 44% fg
All day.

Lebron's +/- against Magic in 09 = -7
Kobe's +/- against Magic in 09 = +49 :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

http://i.gyazo.com/65a914c37bf116324c7b659666396944.png

[Mr Feeny]

Lebron's +/- against Magic in 09 = -7
Kobe's +/- against Magic in 09 = +49 :oldlol:

Awww u seem shook.

[Mr Feeny]

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/806888540.jpg?1378570703

30% fg in fourth quarters?:biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

Guys, I think ImKobe found his new measuring stick... He now seems to roll with +/-, as in this case it favors Kobe...

Got it

[abdubaba]

Lebron's +/- against Magic in 09 = -7
Kobe's +/- against Magic in 09 = +49 :oldlol:
DAMNNNN :applause:

[abdubaba]

Lebron's +/- against Magic in 09 = -7
Kobe's +/- against Magic in 09 = +49 :oldlol:

[Beastmode88]

Lebron's +/- against Magic in 09 = -7
Kobe's +/- against Magic in 09 = +49 :oldlol:

:lebronamazed: :lebronamazed: :lebronamazed: :lebronamazed: :lebronamazed:

[Beastmode88]

You are a terrible poster. All of your posts is all about hating Lebron. You probably didn't even watch the series.

I don't hate Lebron, I hate his fanbase. IE people like you who jump ship. Weren't you a Lakers fan -> Cavs -> Heat -> Cavs fan again? :facepalm Change your avi more often than Lebron flops.

[Lebron23]

I don't hate Lebron, I hate his fanbase. IE people like you who jump ship. Weren't you a Lakers fan -> Cavs -> Heat -> Cavs fan again? :facepalm Change your avi more often than Lebron flops.


Rent Free

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Beastmode88]

Rent Free

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

I'd say that too if I run out of ammo. :sleeping

[HiphopRelated]

Wade by far, the second scorer was a 13ppg Antoine Walker, over 20ppg behind.

Riles gave him the ball and said **** everybody else. Wish Spo did the same in 11

[Mr. Jabbar]

1-Kobe

2-Poor mans Kobe






3-LeRef

[Mr. Jabbar]

besides, who cares about wades 06 run stats, dude pretty much got gifted everything from the line

[stalkerforlife]

Def Rating

09 Magic 101.9
12 Thunder 103.2
06 Mavs 105.0

/thread

Kobe faced the best defense and still dominated.

Kobe
Wade
Lebron

[Mr Feeny]

/thread

Kobe faced the best defense and still dominated.

Kobe
Wade
Lebron

Awww.
LeBron had 38,8,8 against that same defense on 48% fg:lol

[dubeta]

Awww.
LeBron had 38,8,8 against that same defense on 48% fg:lol
Damn don't spit facts to these kobetards!! They don't know how to handle it :oldlol:

[guy]

I find it funny how people bring up Kobe's 2009 playoff run now. I remember it was all of a sudden being brought up a lot after Lebron won in 2012, when in the previous 3 years it was barely ever being brought up.

[K Xerxes]

Lebron's +/- against Magic in 09 = -7
Kobe's +/- against Magic in 09 = +49 :oldlol:

Fisher was +53, guess he was better than either.

[Heavincent]

Fisher was +53, guess he was better than either.

Probably because he was on the court with Kobe most of the time.

[Heavincent]

I find it funny how people bring up Kobe's 2009 playoff run now. I remember it was all of a sudden being brought up a lot after Lebron won in 2012, when in the previous 3 years it was barely ever being brought up.

What? Are you seriously implying it wasn't a great playoff run? It silenced all those retards who were saying he couldn't win without Shaq.

[K Xerxes]

Probably because he was on the court with Kobe most of the time.

Or Kobe had +49 because he was on court with Fisher most of the time?

+/- is an awful stat to measure individual contribution. I can't believe Kobe stans are resorting to this.

[Heavincent]

Or Kobe had +49 because he was on court with Fisher most of the time?


You're being obtuse. Kobe was obviously the best player in that series, so naturally Fisher's +/- is inflated as a result of playing along side him.

[K Xerxes]

You're being obtuse. Kobe was obviously the best player in that series, so naturally Fisher's +/- is inflated as a result of playing along side him.

The only one being obtuse is you - I was clearly mocking the use of +/- to compare LeBron's and Kobe's performances against Orlando. A stat that is so heavily reliant on the performance of team mates is not a sensible stat to use in this instance.

[Soundwave]

Wade > Kobe > Bran

[Stringer Bell]

Why?

Kobe wasn's really great and neither was Lebron.

Wade shot something like 65% for an entire series and didn't have a great supporting cast. Miami was stacked and nearly anyone could have replaced Lebron and won that season.


:facepalm
http://38.media.tumblr.com
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"Average" seems pretty harsh to describe Kobe in the 09' finals and especially Lebron in the 12' finals.

Kobe had his shooting struggles but still put up good numbers. Getting to the line and still scoring a lot, distributing the ball

Lebron played really well throughout the 2012 postseason, with the Finals being no exception.

Wade played great in the 06' finals, although some of the officiating was atrocious.

[stalkerforlife]

Awww.
LeBron had 38,8,8 against that same defense on 48% fg:lol

His team was favored and he lost. :biggums:

Empty stats only mean something to less intelligible fans.

[guy]

What? Are you seriously implying it wasn't a great playoff run? It silenced all those retards who were saying he couldn't win without Shaq.

Sure it was. But relative to the rest of history, it didn't really garner much reaction. No one really cared that much about it. Seemed to be brought up more after Lebron's 2012 run for some reason though.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Sure it was. But relative to the rest of history, it didn't really garner much reaction. No one really cared that much about it. Seemed to be brought up more after Lebron's 2012 run for some reason though.

It's only the most talked about 4th title for anybody in history. :confusedshrug: What else do you want?

[Mr Feeny]

His team was favored and he lost. :biggums:

Empty stats only mean something to less intelligible fans.

And what does the team's result have to do with individual performance?

38.5, 8 , 8 on 48% fg
vs
32, 6, 7 on 43% fg and 30% fg in fourth quarters.

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[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe
Lebron
Wade

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe
Lebron
Wade

Defintely

Wade/Lebron







Kobe