The Death Penalty is dumb

[sweggeh]

Especially the way its used today. Dying isnt a punishment. Every one sent to prison dies. In fact Im sure the guys serving multiple life sentences probably wish they got the death penalty instead.

It is a much worse punishment to rot in prison for the rest of your life, living in fear and probably getting raped and beat up regularly and then dying a natural death than to be killed painlessly right away.

Only benefit of the death penalty is to stop that person doing anything else. But they are in prison anyway so who are they going to hurt in there?

I can understand if you say you want murderers and pedophiles to be tortured to death as punishment, but wishing a painless quick death on them? Thats just dumb.

[LakersDaBEst]

Especially the way its used today. Dying isnt a punishment. Every one sent to prison dies. In fact Im sure the guys serving multiple life sentences probably wish they got the death penalty instead.

It is a much worse punishment to rot in prison for the rest of your life, living in fear and probably getting raped and beat up regularly and then dying a natural death than to be killed painlessly right away.

Only benefit of the death penalty is to stop that person doing anything else. But they are in prison anyway so who are they going to hurt in there?

I can understand if you say you want murderers and pedophiles to be tortured to death as punishment, but wishing a painless quick death on them? Thats just dumb.


I guess you aint paying taxes yet :facepalm

[sweggeh]

I guess you aint paying taxes yet :facepalm

Taxes go on so much bullshit, singling out prisoners as a reason for you paying too much tax is dumb. If it wasnt going towards prisons, your money would be going to some other stupid thing. Trust me.

[MMM]

I guess you aint paying taxes yet :facepalm

Doesn't it cost more for an inmate on death row than a lifer due to the appeal process.

[ShackEelOKneel]

Doesn't it cost more for an inmate on death row than a lifer due to the appeal process.

Agreed, let's take away their right to appeal :cheers:

[ballup]

Doesn't it cost more for an inmate on death row than a lifer due to the appeal process.
If you are comparing their incarceration for the same period, ya. But if you compare one with someone who is in prison for life, it may tip in favor of the death penalty

[Nanners]

Since the reinstatement of the modern death penalty, 87 people have been freed from death row because they were later proven innocent. That is a demonstrated error rate of 1 innocent person for every 7 persons executed. When the consequences are life and death, we need to demand the same standard for our system of justice as we would for our airlines... It is a central pillar of our criminal justice system that it is better that many guilty people go free than that one innocent should suffer... Let us reflect to ensure that we are being just. Let us pause to be certain we do not kill a single innocent person. This is really not too much to ask for a civilized society. - Russ Feingold

[senelcoolidge]

Let's bring back the firing squads. Clean out these prisons with quick sweeping executions. A trail period of 10 years..see how it works and continue or try something else. Am sure it will place a lesser burden on the law abiding tax paying people.

[MavsSuperFan]

Especially the way its used today. Dying isnt a punishment. Every one sent to prison dies. In fact Im sure the guys serving multiple life sentences probably wish they got the death penalty instead.

It is a much worse punishment to rot in prison for the rest of your life, living in fear and probably getting raped and beat up regularly and then dying a natural death than to be killed painlessly right away.

Only benefit of the death penalty is to stop that person doing anything else. But they are in prison anyway so who are they going to hurt in there?

I can understand if you say you want murderers and pedophiles to be tortured to death as punishment, but wishing a painless quick death on them? Thats just dumb.

Especially the way its used today. Dying isnt a punishment. Every one sent to prison dies. In fact Im sure the guys serving multiple life sentences probably wish they got the death penalty instead.

It is a much worse punishment to rot in prison for the rest of your life, living in fear and probably getting raped and beat up regularly and then dying a natural death than to be killed painlessly right away.

Then explain why most of the guys on death row do everything possible to avoid death? Also most violent murderers dont get raped in prison. In general the guys getting raped in prison are the people that barely should be in prison. Eg. non-violent offenders. They are too soft to take care themselves in that environment. Gangbangers, thugs, mafia, cartel, killers, aryan brotherhood etc. generally are left alone in prison because there are easier targets.

A guy that gets sent to prison for smoking weed is far more likely to get raped than some MS-13 gang member.


dying a natural death than to be killed painlessly right away.

Only benefit of the death penalty is to stop that person doing anything else. But they are in prison anyway so who are they going to hurt in there?

I can understand if you say you want murderers and pedophiles to be tortured to death as punishment, but wishing a painless quick death on them? Thats just dumb.

Because the Europeans are refusing to sell us the lethal injection drug we have been using for decades, we are now experimenting with new concoctions. many times these new formulas take hours to kill the murderers and they appear to be in considerable discomfort.

[kNIOKAS]

Let's bring back the firing squads. Clean out these prisons with quick sweeping executions. A trail period of 10 years..see how it works and continue or try something else. Am sure it will place a lesser burden on the law abiding tax paying people.
Aside that this post is utter dogshit,
the prison guards unions would never let it happen.

[MavsSuperFan]

Doesn't it cost more for an inmate on death row than a lifer due to the appeal process.
Make the death penalty only apply for when guilt is certain. remove the right to appeal. Execute within 30 days of conviction.

Much cheaper.

[MavsSuperFan]

Since the reinstatement of the modern death penalty, 87 people have been freed from death row because they were later proven innocent. That is a demonstrated error rate of 1 innocent person for every 7 persons executed. When the consequences are life and death, we need to demand the same standard for our system of justice as we would for our airlines... It is a central pillar of our criminal justice system that it is better that many guilty people go free than that one innocent should suffer... Let us reflect to ensure that we are being just. Let us pause to be certain we do not kill a single innocent person. This is really not too much to ask for a civilized society. - Russ Feingold
The answer is to fix the system so that people aren't falsely convicted not to remove the death penalty. Also unless guilt can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt (not use beyond a reasonable doubt) the death penalty should not be applied.

Eg. welfare fraud is much more common than wrongful executions. Should all welfare programs be abolished?


That is a demonstrated error rate of 1 innocent person for every 7 persons executed.
citation please

[KingBeasley08]

Make the death penalty only apply for when guilt is certain. remove the right to appeal. Execute within 30 days of conviction.

Much cheaper.
I'd be down for that. If there's no doubt at all that someone is guilty, then no appeal. Just line em up, shoot em, and dump their body in Canada

[MavsSuperFan]

If you are comparing their incarceration for the same period, ya. But if you compare one with someone who is in prison for life, it may tip in favor of the death penalty
we are inefficient with our application of the death penalty.

Recently a guy that murdered his GF and her father in 1989 was just executed like a month ago.

25 years...
**** this country sometimes.

The chinese do executions right (not convictions or the stuff they consider crimes) drag them into a basement, bullet to the back of the head, charge the family for the bullet and harvest the organs for needy people.

[IamRAMBO24]

Especially the way its used today. Dying isnt a punishment. Every one sent to prison dies. In fact Im sure the guys serving multiple life sentences probably wish they got the death penalty instead.

It is a much worse punishment to rot in prison for the rest of your life, living in fear and probably getting raped and beat up regularly and then dying a natural death than to be killed painlessly right away.

Only benefit of the death penalty is to stop that person doing anything else. But they are in prison anyway so who are they going to hurt in there?

I can understand if you say you want murderers and pedophiles to be tortured to death as punishment, but wishing a painless quick death on them? Thats just dumb.

How is getting free sex bad?

[ShackEelOKneel]

I think some want the death penalty and some would rather live in prison. If death penalty is an easy way out, then why do so many fight it? I think it depends on your perspective on life.

[wakencdukest]

Prison labor should be utilized more. Especially death row inmates, they should have to work 16 hour days.

[D-FENS]

We need to stop sticking druggies and minor offenders in prison. It should be reserved for sex offenders, violent offenders and murderers. Also, they should come down tough on corporate crime. Those guys should be forced to work minimum wage jobs for life.

[D-FENS]

Prison labor should be utilized more. Especially death row inmates, they should have to work 16 hour days.

That's a bit rough. I would still give them 8 hour days, and the rest of the time they should be in rehab or have some downtime to reflect. Lots of time outside in nature if possible. We should be rehabbing these people - but not child ****ers. They should be hung.

[MavsSuperFan]

We need to stop sticking druggies and minor offenders in prison. It should be reserved for sex offenders, violent offenders and murderers.
agree with that completely. especially the druggies part. people should have the choice of doing what they want with their bodies. Eg. we let people destroy their bodies with KFC and McDs.

So many people in prison today shouldnt even be in prison.

is society really harmed by potheads?

[Brizzly]

we are inefficient with our application of the death penalty.

Recently a guy that murdered his GF and her father in 1989 was just executed like a month ago.

25 years...
**** this country sometimes.

The chinese do executions right (not convictions or the stuff they consider crimes) drag them into a basement, bullet to the back of the head, charge the family for the bullet and harvest the organs for needy people.

And if the executed was innocent?

[Brizzly]

I think some want the death penalty and some would rather live in prison. If death penalty is an easy way out, then why do so many fight it? I think it depends on your perspective on life.

Human survival instincts.

[MavsSuperFan]

And if the executed was innocent?
Terrible, but he wasnt. I would only implement the death penalty if guilt was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Reasonable doubt for convictions, beyond a shadow of a doubt for death sentences.

People that make the argument that because its possible for innocent people to be executed we should get rid of the death penalty, are to me making the same illogical argument of , well sometimes welfare fraud occurs, so we should abolish all welfare programs.

A better idea would be to target the problems more directly rather than toss out the whole program.

[MavsSuperFan]

Human survival instincts.
If someone kidnaps a little girl rapes her, then murders her.

He loses the right to live imo.

[Nanners]

The answer is to fix the system so that people aren't falsely convicted not to remove the death penalty. Also unless guilt can be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt (not use beyond a reasonable doubt) the death penalty should not be applied.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country

the death penalty is stupid and pointless and should be abolished. the united states is one of very few developed nations in this world that has a death penalty. The only country in all of europe with a death penalty is Belarus, because europeans are aware of the fact that the death penalty is unjust and does nothing to deter crime.

There is no credible evidence that the death penalty deters crime more effectively than long terms of imprisonment. States that have death penalty laws do not have lower crime rates or murder rates than states without such laws. And states that have abolished capital punishment show no significant changes in either crime or murder rates. The death penalty has no deterrent effect. Claims that each execution deters a certain number of murders have been thoroughly discredited by social science research - ACLU


Eg. welfare fraud is much more common than wrongful executions. Should all welfare programs be abolished?

welfare fraud does not lead to people getting permanently removed from this planet. stupid analogy, apples and oranges.

[Nanners]

If someone kidnaps a little girl rapes her, then murders her.

He loses the right to live imo.

Retribution is just another word for revenge, and the desire for revenge is one of the lowest human emotions

[Brizzly]

Terrible, but he wasnt. I would only implement the death penalty if guilt was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Reasonable doubt for convictions, beyond a shadow of a doubt for death sentences.

People that make the argument that because its possible for innocent people to be executed we should get rid of the death penalty, are to me making the same illogical argument of , well sometimes welfare fraud occurs, so we should abolish all welfare programs.

A better idea would be to target the problems more directly rather than toss out the whole program.

You need guilt beyond reasonable doubt for a small theft, that's not the point though. Mistakes can still happen, falsified statements and cover ups for mistakes and god know what else that can lead to a conviction.

[Brizzly]

If someone kidnaps a little girl rapes her, then murders her.

He loses the right to live imo.

What does that even have to do with what I wrote?

[Brizzly]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country

the death penalty is stupid and pointless and should be abolished. the united states is one of very few developed nations in this world that has a death penalty. The only country in all of europe with a death penalty is Belarus, because europeans are aware of the fact that the death penalty is unjust and does nothing to deter crime.

There is no credible evidence that the death penalty deters crime more effectively than long terms of imprisonment. States that have death penalty laws do not have lower crime rates or murder rates than states without such laws. And states that have abolished capital punishment show no significant changes in either crime or murder rates. The death penalty has no deterrent effect. Claims that each execution deters a certain number of murders have been thoroughly discredited by social science research - ACLU


welfare fraud does not lead to people getting permanently removed from this planet. stupid analogy, apples and oranges.

This is actually true, one of my hs teacher told me that US is among the country with the harshest convictions in the western world when it comes to times served.. But despite that it is the country with highest repeat offender %.

HE said something about European countries focusing a lot more on rehabilitating the prisoners in less time.

[MavsSuperFan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_capital_punishment_by_country

the death penalty is stupid and pointless and should be abolished. the united states is one of very few developed nations in this world that has a death penalty. The only country in all of europe with a death penalty is Belarus, because europeans are aware of the fact that the death penalty is pointless and does nothing to deter crime.

There is no credible evidence that the death penalty deters crime more effectively than long terms of imprisonment. States that have death penalty laws do not have lower crime rates or murder rates than states without such laws. And states that have abolished capital punishment show no significant changes in either crime or murder rates. The death penalty has no deterrent effect. Claims that each execution deters a certain number of murders have been thoroughly discredited by social science research - ACLU


welfare fraud does not lead to people getting permanently removed from this planet. stupid analogy, apples and oranges.

We should all be like the europeans and have spa like prisons with attractive female guards to not agitate the murders like anders breivik right? have maximum sentences of 21 years right? be enlightened like the europeans?

Norway Killer Breivik Demands Better Video Games In Prison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGTWC7TH3es
-they get televisions, long walks,
-breivik threatened to go on a hunger strike to get better conditions for his daily walks,
-to upgrade his PS2 to a PS3
-access to his choice of adult games
-wider selection of activities
-double his weekly allowance
Just to remind everyone he killed 77 people, but lets not treat him like an animal and force him to play on a PS2. We need to be enlightened like the europeans.

Finally I know the death penalty is not a deterrent. its punishment/vengeance. If someone you loved were brutally murdered would you want them to live in luxury and comfort like anders breivik? no? than why do you deny vengeance to others? do they love their family less than you?

Vengeance should be apart of our justice system, and I would vote against and donate against any politician that even suggested it shouldnt, I would take time out of my day to volunteer for their opponent.

[MavsSuperFan]

You need guilt beyond reasonable doubt for a small theft, that's not the point though. Mistakes can still happen, falsified statements and cover ups for mistakes and god know what else that can lead to a conviction.
Fine dont give death sentences in those cases.
There are cases where guilt is definitive and undeniable. Do you deny this?
Is james holmes innocent?

[MavsSuperFan]

What does that even have to do with what I wrote?
Just that some people should not be allowed to stay alive no matter how much they want to, because of their previous actions to taking away the life of an innocent person.

[LOLCATS]

Just that some people should not be allowed to stay alive no matter how much they want to, because of their previous actions to taking away the life of an innocent person.

But who does killing them help? Does it bring the dead person back?

[Brizzly]

Just that some people should not be allowed to stay alive no matter how much they want to, because of their previous actions to taking away the life of an innocent person.

He asked why people fight the death penalty despite it being an easy way out according to some people.

[Brizzly]

But who does killing them help? Does it bring the dead person back?

No but I can see the arguments for both sides...

[LOLCATS]

No but I can see the arguments for both sides...

I think the OP is right. Lifetime in prison seems a worse punishment than being killed.

[MavsSuperFan]

Retribution is just another word for revenge, and the desire for revenge is one of the lowest human emotions — perhaps sometimes understandable, but not really a rational response to a critical situation. To kill the person who has killed someone close to you is simply to continue the cycle of violence which ultimately destroys the avenger as well as the offender. That this execution somehow give 'closure' to a tragedy is a myth. Expressing one’s violence simply reinforces the desire to express it. Just as expressing anger simply makes us more angry. It does not drain away. It contaminates the otherwise good will which any human being needs to progress in love and understanding. - Raymond Schroth
Well **** raymond schroth. I have met one person ever that has said they would not want the state to execute a person that raped and killed their mother.

If you would deny that vengeance to someone else than you are a selfish beyond reason imo. But want it for yourself.

Imagine someone rapes and kills your daughter/wife/mother/sister. Would you not want the state to execute them? I bet you would. and yet you would deny that to others. I guess you love your daughter/wife/mother/sister more than other people right? or were your loved ones more deserving of life.

The selfishness of people like schroth piss me off beyond belief. a few days ago i saw on cnn's youtube channel a family happy the guy that murdered their family member was executed. a person in the comments called the family animals and as bad as the killer if not worse. **** people like schroth that so easily ask others to put aside the pain of having a loved one murdered.

I am pro gay marriage, gay adoption, an atheist, pro universal health care, pro immigration, pro progressive taxation (at the clinton levels), believe the government has a responsibility for the welfare of the citizenry, and litany of other stereotypically liberal causes.

I would campagin for santorum/perry/huckabee/tancredo/etc. if their opponent wanted to take all elements of vengeance/retribution/revenge/punishment out of our justice system and be like the europeans and focus exclusively on rehabilitations.

[Brizzly]

Fine dont give death sentences in those cases.
There are cases where guilt is definitive and undeniable. Do you deny this?
Is james holmes innocent?

So what do we give those people? just a life sentence? because there is just a small piece missing? In that case they should be freed, no?

Michael Morton spent 18 years in prison before finally being freed. What if they decided to execute him?

[Brizzly]

I think the OP is right. Lifetime in prison seems a worse punishment than being killed.

No it isn't, life in prison isn't great but at least you still have hope. You only get one life.

[LOLCATS]

No it isn't, life in prison isn't great but at least you still have hope. You only get one life.

Yes, thats true too. I guess it just depends on how you see it.

[MavsSuperFan]

So what do we give those people? just a life sentence? because there is just a small piece missing? In that case they should be freed, no?

Michael Morton spent 18 years in prison before finally being freed. What if they decided to execute him?
obviously just give them life sentences. No they shouldnt be freed. if guilt is proven beyond a reasonable doubt than just give them life sentences. Obviously you dont let them go as they are likely to be guilty, but its not beyond a shadow of a doubt. Only give death sentences in cases where guilt is certain beyond a shadow of a doubt. Eg. james holmes, the boston bomber, Timothy Mcveigh, the DC sniper, etc.

Michael Morton spent 18 years in prison before finally being freed. What if they decided to execute him?
thats not the type of case I want to sentence people to death for.

Do you believe their is a 0.001% chance james holmes is innocent? No? neither do I. that is the type of case where I would have like to see an execution within 30 days of conviction.

[Nanners]

Go figure that a dumb f@ggot from texas would be so gung ho about executions.



Vengeance should be apart of our justice system, and I would vote against and donate against any politician that even suggested it shouldnt, I would take time out of my day to volunteer for their opponent.

and i will vote and donate money in opposition to you

[MavsSuperFan]

Go figure that a dumb f@ggot from texas would be so gung ho about executions.



and i will vote and donate money in opposition to you
Someone brutally murders someone you love. Do you want the state not to execute them?

If yes, fine I respect your position and your consistency.
If no, you are a selfish person. Do you feel your love for your loved ones is purer than for others? do your loved ones deserve to live more?

Edit for the record i dont like our current system of executions. We shouldnt be giving death sentences when the possibility exists that they are innocent, and for the rare case where that possibility doesnt exist we should execute within 30 days.

I am more defending the death penalty in theory. the idea that it is just to kill a guilty party. and also that vengeance should be part of the justice system. Unless you want to rehabilitate someone that murdered someone you love, you are selfish hypocrite.

[Nanners]

Someone brutally murders someone you love. Do you want the state not to execute them?

If yes, fine I respect your position and your consistency.
If no, you are a selfish person. Do you feel your love for your loved ones is purer than for others? do your loved ones deserve to live more?

no, absolutely not. if someone harms my loved ones i do not think that gives me the right to end their life.

do you think we should torture people convicted of heinous crimes? after all, torturing is a less extreme punishment than execution.

[MavsSuperFan]

Go figure that a dumb f@ggot from texas would be so gung ho about executions.



and i will vote and donate money in opposition to you
The selfishness of people like you piss me off beyond belief. a few days ago i saw on cnn's youtube channel a family happy the guy that murdered their family member was executed. a person in the comments called the family animals and as bad as the killer if not worse. **** people like you that so easily ask others to put aside the pain of having a loved one murdered.

I am pro gay marriage, gay adoption, an atheist, pro universal health care, pro immigration, pro progressive taxation (at the clinton levels), believe the government has a responsibility for the welfare of the citizenry, and litany of other stereotypically liberal causes.

I would campagin for santorum/perry/huckabee/tancredo/etc. if their opponent wanted to take all elements of vengeance/retribution/revenge/punishment out of our justice system and be like the europeans and focus exclusively on rehabilitations.

[MavsSuperFan]

no, absolutely not. if someone harms my loved ones i do not think that gives me the right to end their life.

do you think we should torture prisoners? torturing is a less extreme punishment than execution.
I misread that i apologize. you are at least being intellectually consistent. i take back calling you a selfish hypocrite. I wouldnt be able to feel that way. I would want the state to execute someone that murdered someone i loved. I wouldnt deny that to anyone else. I dont think my loved ones deserve to live more than other people's or that my love is purer/more meaningful than others.


do you think we should torture prisoners? torturing is a less extreme punishment than execution.
Depending on what someone did i honestly wouldn't have a problem with it. to me its ok to judge and punish people based on their actions. If the state tortured jerry sandusky, i would get over it.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Death row inmates cost California taxpayers $90,000 more per year than regular inmates, and the appeal process can often last decades (80's serial killer Charles Ng still hasn't been executed, for example).

Do away with it, I say.

[MavsSuperFan]

Death row inmates cost California taxpayers $90,000 more per year than regular inmates, and the appeal process can often last decades (80's serial killer Charles Ng still hasn't been executed, for example).

Do away with it, I say.
The reason its expensive is the fact that liberals forced an extensive appeal process into how we execute people. then liberals cite that expense as a problem with the death penalty.

Its like how GOP governors sabotaged the affordable care act in their states, by not setting up a state exchange and then blamed obama.

[MavsSuperFan]

What does that have to do with what he said?:wtf:
i got too emotional i misread that.

[Nanners]

Do you love your loved ones more than other people do? Do your loved ones deserve to live more than other peoples do? **** you

are those supposed to be real questions?

i dont believe in killing killers, period. to answer your earlier question, i admire norway for keeping their humanity while punishing breivik.

The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prison - Fyodor Dostoevsky



Depending on what someone did i honestly wouldn't have a problem with it. to me its ok to judge and punish people based on their actions. If the state tortured jerry sandusky, i would get over it.

you are actually in favor of torturing prisoners? thank god you are just some douche on the internet and not actually in charge of making any important decisions.

[MavsSuperFan]

are those supposed to be real questions? i dont believe in killing killers, period. i also admire norway for not losing their humanity while punishing breivik.



you are actually in favor of torturing prisoners? thank god you are just some douche on the internet and not actually in charge of making any important decisions.
I misread what you wrote i apologize for that. I disagree with you on the killing of killers and admiration for not having vengeance as part of their justice system.

I actually admire your position since you said you wouldnt want the state to execute a person that tortured and killed a loved one of yours. Your ability to have that level of compassion/forgiveness is beyond what i am able to have.

i had misread your statement as what i am used to seeing in debates like this where people would want the murderers of their loved ones executed but not anyone elses. i apologize i totally misread that


you are actually in favor of torturing prisoners? thank god you are just some douche on the internet and not actually in charge of making any important decisions.

depending on what they are guilty of sure. Eg jerry sandusky. I would never torture a POW and think that is beyond wrong.

hank god you are just some douche on the internet and not actually in charge of making any important decisions
I am actually a very nice person. i am sorry that doesnt extend to child molesters like sandusky.

[Nanners]

I am actually a very nice person. i am sorry that doesnt extend to child molesters like sandusky.

i am sure you are a nice enough person, just not a particularly smart one

[MavsSuperFan]

i am sure you are a nice enough person, just not a particularly smart one
Meh your opinion. I disagree.
I misread the part where you said you wouldnt want the state to execute a person that killed/tortured/raped a person you loved.

I actually admire that ability to forgive. I am far more vengeful than that, and feel it would be hypocritical for me to be against the death penalty when I would want death for a person that killed/tortured/raped a person I loved.

You're only the second person I have seen say they wouldnt want a person that killed/tortured/raped a person they loved to be executed. it caught me offguard. i misread what you wrote completely as i had expected you to make an argument along the lines of.

"even if i would want someone executed for murdering my loved ones, that doesn't justify the death penalty or me supporting it".

[Nanners]

Meh your opinion. I disagree.
I misread the part where you said you wouldnt want the state to execute a person that killed/tortured/raped a person you loved.

I actually admire that ability to forgive. I am far more vengeful than that, and feel it would be hypocritical for me to be against the death penalty when I would want death for a person that killed/tortured/raped a person I loved.

vengeance will never be able to fill the void left behind by the loss of a loved one - nanners

[dude77]

lol if I had a 5 yr old daughter and someone raped and killed her, I'd want that creature turned into a hostel character with myself as the 'client'

I agree the death penalty is bs .. it's too easy of an out for them

[KingBeasley08]

I agree with Mavs. If someone is proven guilty 100% sure, let em rot in the ground. That Norway killer is living a nice life despite gunning down children with no regrets. Absolutely disgusting.

Yeah, there's a ton of problems with the US Justice system but Europe is fcked up in the absolute other way

[dude77]

vengeance will never be able to fill the void left behind by the loss of a loved one - nanners

it'll fill some of it

[MavsSuperFan]

vengeance will never be able to fill the void left behind by the loss of a loved one - nanners
Would for me. you are better than me.

[KingBeasley08]

it'll fill some of it
for sure. if some dude killed my loved ones and was chillin out playing fcking ps3 games in prison, id be pissed

[MavsSuperFan]

for sure. if some dude killed my loved ones and was chillin out playing fcking ps3 games in prison, id be pissed
Same

to be fair they only gave him and PS2
and i heard they overcook his eggs for breakfast.

[dude77]

for sure. if some dude killed my loved ones and was chillin out playing fcking ps3 games in prison, id be pissed

exactly .. how the fk can a family go to sleep at night in peace knowing that breivik fk face is living in a nice place, being catered to .. now THAT is sick

[MavsSuperFan]

exactly .. how the fk can a family go to sleep at night in peace knowing that breivik fk face is living in a nice place, being catered to .. now THAT is sick
In norway they also try to hire female prison guards. Most prisoners are male, and it might be too hostile towards them to take commands from other males.

[MavsSuperFan]

do you think we should torture people convicted of heinous crimes? after all, torturing is a less extreme punishment than execution.
We kind of already do torture prisoners. Solitary confinement is a form of torture.

On an intellectual level I know torture is wrong. On emotional level. if some guy like dahmer, ariel castro, james holmes, breivik or sandusky were getting raped every single day I would celebrate.

[ace23]

Retribution is just another word for revenge, and the desire for revenge is one of the lowest human emotions — perhaps sometimes understandable, but not really a rational response to a critical situation. To kill the person who has killed someone close to you is simply to continue the cycle of violence which ultimately destroys the avenger as well as the offender. That this execution somehow give 'closure' to a tragedy is a myth. Expressing one’s violence simply reinforces the desire to express it. Just as expressing anger simply makes us more angry. It does not drain away. It contaminates the otherwise good will which any human being needs to progress in love and understanding. - Raymond Schroth
Lol I was going to say, "Finally someone I agree with on the death penalty on ISH", then I saw that they weren't even your words.

[longtime lurker]

The death penalty is only there to satisfy peoples lust for vengeance. It really serves no purpose in a civilized society.

[Nanners]

Lol I was going to say, "Finally someone I agree with on the death penalty on ISH", then I saw that they weren't even your words.

we still agree, i just used someone elses words because my words tend to come out as jumbled garbage

[MavsSuperFan]

The death penalty is only there to satisfy peoples lust for vengeance.
agreed


It really serves no purpose in a civilized society.
Disagree. IMO Sometime state vengeance is necessary to prevent vigilantism.

Would you be able to forgive someone that rape, tortured, murdered a loved one of yours?

[MavsSuperFan]

Does anyone else think america already tortures prisoners via solitary confinement?

[MMM]

agreed


Disagree. IMO Sometime state vengeance is necessary to prevent vigilantism.

Would you be able to forgive someone that rape, tortured, murdered a loved one of yours?

Is there any evidence that countries or states with out capital punishment have more vigilantism.

[MavsSuperFan]

Is there any evidence that countries or states with out capital punishment have more vigilantism.
no, but you cant compare europe/canada/most first world countries to america. we are far more violent than they are. Our culture alone is far more violent and accepting of violence.

edit: and i dont really think vigilantism would increase, but I think vengence is an appropriate part of the justice system. America's current justice system is plenty vengeful. Eg. Solitary confinement

[MMM]

no, but you cant compare europe/canada/most first world countries to america. we are far more violent than they are. Our culture alone is far more violent and accepting of violence.

Agreed, which is why I mentioned comparing states as well. As for your last point isn't a large contributor to a "violent culture" is vengeance in the system. I mean the far majority of prisoners eventually got out with a large majority going back in at some point.

[longtime lurker]

agreed


Disagree. IMO Sometime state vengeance is necessary to prevent vigilantism.

Would you be able to forgive someone that rape, tortured, murdered a loved one of yours?

It's been shown that the death penalty isn't a deterent to crime. It doesn't matter what I'd want to happen to someone that killed one of my loved ones because I don't get to decide. And for good reason. Yes there are people that have forgiven those who killed family or even tried to kill them. Not everyone is blood thirsty. It's senseless for me to want vengeance against someone that has caused no harm to me at all(this is the case for most people that are for the death penalty)

[NumberSix]

Lefties are funny when it comes to stats. They're all interested in whether or not the death penalty deters criminals.......

But the same lefties completely disregard that the areas with the most gun owners have the lowest crime.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Dead murderers can't commit more crimes. Crime reduced.

It's just expensive to take care of these criminals, there needs to be a way they can "earn their keep" while serving time.

Innocent people like you and I should not be paying to feed and bathe serial killers. That's why I'd rather hang them. Or find a way for criminals to fund their own incarceration.