Hunters...the biggest fukking

[tomtucker]

fagggots in the world..........

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[millwad]

I don't consider hunters to be homosexual, I consider them to be disgusting cowards. Shooting down an animal that would rip you in to pieces one wouldn't have had the gone, is not really cool.

[Le Shaqtus]

Try living in Orlando, 80% of the girls are country bumpkin wannabes who love hunting, cowboy boots, country music and want country boyfriends who are usually complete pieces of shit. ORLANDO ISN'T SOUTHERN.

These are the people they wanna be.

[Meticode]

I don't consider hunters to be homosexual, I consider them to be disgusting cowards. Shooting down an animal that would rip you in to pieces one wouldn't have had the gone, is not really cool.
It's nature's way. If we weren't meant to shoot animals then we wouldn't haven the intelligence to be able to make such weapons. I'm sure all the natives back in the day that hunted with bows and spears would take a gun in a second if it guaranteed their life a little better.

Hunting is used to control population issues, but a lot of is simply for sport too. It's part of nature. It'll probably bite us in the ass eventually. The Earth will be here a lot longer than we ever will probably.

[Meticode]

What I'd like to know, of ISH's pure guardian souls here, how many eat meat?

If you do, it's time for you to shut the **** up and exit this thread.
Hunting is different than domesticating animals. Pretty much any meat you buy at the store was domesticated for that sole purpose to be neatly packaged and presented at the convenience of you. Not hunted out of sport.

[johndeeregreen]

Killing just to kill, I don't understand.

But, I have no problem with it if you actually harvest the meat. If you eat meat, how can you condemn someone who eats what they kill? You think cattle volunteer for the slaughterhouse?

[Meticode]

Killing just to kill, I don't understand.

But, I have no problem with it if you actually harvest the meat. If you eat meat, how can you condemn someone who eats what they kill? You think cattle volunteer for the slaughterhouse?
Agreed.

[Meticode]

Who cares if the end result is that it's being eaten?:confusedshrug:

So to summarize, raising animals to be slaughtered and eaten = ok.
Killing animals any other way and eating them = not ok.

Copy that.:facepalm
I'm not arguing that hunting is bad. Look at my previous post. I was just stating domestication is different than hunting. Domestication just basically removes the process of hunting or tracking food for kill.

[johndeeregreen]

I'm not arguing that hunting is bad. Look at my previous post. I was just stating domestication is different than hunting. Domestication just basically removes the process of hunting or tracking food for kill.
I know, I understood your point and deleted that post. But again, it doesn't matter to the animal if you raised it to kill it or killed it for sport. It's the same result, it's getting eaten either way.

[Meticode]

john,

Does your posts keep getting deleted?

Edit: Nevermind. LOL

[BlkMambaGOAT]

See you later alligator takes a whole new meaning:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

They better put the gator to good use, not just killing it for sport.

[SpecialQue]

There are degrees of it. I don't like hunting, but as long as the person eats what they kill, I'm fine with it. Then there's also population control, where a species can overwhelm another one and cause massive problems.

The two aspects of hunting that I can't stand are when animals are kept in those planned areas where people who don't know how to hunt can just shoot them anyway and the animal has zero chance of escape. If the animal doesn't at least have some chance of escape and the outcome is a foregone conclusion, just go to a butcher and stop pretending that you're anything other than a bitch. I also hate that "catch and release" shit where when people catch a fish they don't want, they just rip the hook out of its mouth and chuck it back into the water. You broke it you bought it, asshole.

[~primetime~]

I'm not arguing that hunting is bad. Look at my previous post. I was just stating domestication is different than hunting. Domestication just basically removes the process of hunting or tracking food for kill.
Domestication does much more than that...the animal is bred to be ideal for eating and other things...cows, pigs, etc are covered in tons of meat

[~primetime~]

There are degrees of it. I don't like hunting, but as long as the person eats what they kill, I'm fine with it. Then there's also population control, where a species can overwhelm another one and cause massive problems.

right that's the first thing that I thought of when seeing this...I know that Florida has a problem with too many gators so they have a hunting season in an effort to decrease numbers

this was in Alabama though...I don't think they have population issues

[Kblaze8855]

It's nature's way. If we weren't meant to shoot animals then we wouldn't haven the intelligence to be able to make such weapons. I'm sure all the natives back in the day that hunted with bows and spears would take a gun in a second if it guaranteed their life a little better.

Hunting is used to control population issues, but a lot of is simply for sport too. It's part of nature. It'll probably bite us in the ass eventually. The Earth will be here a lot longer than we ever will probably.


The question I always had about the population issue thing...

Who is supposed to help the animals or us?

The animals wont need their population controlled once we are gone. It will sort itself out.

The millions of bison and various species of bird we wiped out seemed ok.

Passenger pigeons went from 6 billion to extinct in 150 years.

They used to be in flocks a mile wide and 300 miles long that took half the day to pass.

Im sure people today would say we have to start hunting them if any bird got to be that numerous and bothersome...

It wouldnt be to save the birds....but someone would probably claim it was.

[Meticode]

Domestication does much more than that...the animal is bred to be ideal for eating and other things...cows, pigs, etc are covered in tons of meat
You're correct. I didn't feel it was necessary to bring this up. I was just stating it removes the aspect of hunting all together.

[LBJ 23]

I live in Europe and I'm a hunter and one thing I'm really against is trophy hunting. It's stupid and it serves no purpose. Otherwise, it's nice to see that you Americans are not so ignorant and hypocritical when it comes to hunting as my fellow citizens in my country are.

[MavsSuperFan]

I live in Europe and I'm a hunter and one thing I'm really against is trophy hunting. It's stupid and it serves no purpose. Otherwise, it's nice to see that you Americans are not so ignorant and hypocritical when it comes to hunting as my fellow citizens in my country are.
Honestly if you are not a vegan you have no right be angry at hunters.

1. Living a free life in the wild and dying as an adult via a rifle round.

or
2. Living in a factory farm, caged in a pen, wallowing in your own feces and getting killed in a slaughterhouse.

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Which is more inhumane? which would you rather suffer?

vegans have a right to consider hunters inhumane. No one that eats meat does.

[DeuceWallaces]

Honestly if you are not a vegan you have no right be angry at hunters.

1. Living a free life in the wild and dying as an adult via a rifle round.

or
2. Living in a factory farm, caged in a pen, wallowing in your own feces and getting killed in a slaughterhouse.

Which is more inhumane? which would you rather suffer?

vegans have a right to consider hunters inhumane. No one that eats meat does.

I would hope you're smart enough to realize there are humane, organic, free range products that are pretty easily accessible and render your post a moot point.

[DeuceWallaces]

Oh and hunting as population control is one of the absolute dumbest arguments out there. The populations can control themselves, do control themselves, and would control themselves. They did it for millions of years before we arrived and they'll do it for millions of years after we're gone.

[LBJ 23]

And excatly how do populations control themselves now, not millions of years before we arrived and with our development affected every animal species directly or indirectly?

[MavsSuperFan]

I would hope you're smart enough to realize there are humane, organic, free range products that are pretty easily accessible and render your post a moot point.
alright, good point, i'll amend my statement that unless you are a vegan or a person that only consumes humane, organic, free range animal products you have no right to criticise hunters.

If you help fund the factory farm system (which most americans including myself do) you are helping fund far worse than hunting.

Do you disagree with that statement?


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[Graviton]

What pisses me off are those rich douchebags that lived their whole life in a bubble and one day are like "Oh hey lets go to Africa and kill some exotic animals because we are so badass". Hunting endangered species in their own habitat is just retarded. Seriously what is the point? So many already nearly extinct because someone thinks killing for shits and giggles is fun. :facepalm

[MavsSuperFan]

I would hope you're smart enough to realize there are humane, organic, free range products that are pretty easily accessible and render your post a moot point.
Also eating humane, organic, free range animal products is only the equivalent of hunting. they still kill the animal for you to eat it.

[LBJ 23]

What pisses me off are those rich douchebags that lived their whole life in a bubble and one day are like "Oh hey lets go to Africa and kill some exotic animals because we are so badass". Hunting endangered species in their own habitat is just retarded. Seriously what is the point? So many already nearly extinct because someone thinks killing for shits and giggles is fun. :facepalm


Completely agree. And then they are showing off with their trophies of rare species like it's a competition who has bigger dick. Stupid, pointless should not be allowed.

On the other hand I'm still waiting for Deuce to tell us why hunting as population control is the dumbest argument out there, because in my opinion it's THE only argument which holds water. And I'm not some city boy who has seen wildlife only on television, I spent most of my time in the nature, be it falconry, pointing dog training or hunting.

[~primetime~]

Also eating humane, organic, free range animal products is only the equivalent of hunting. they still kill the animal for you to eat it.
Farmed animals (in or out of a cage) and wild game should not be viewed as equals

IMHO both are okay to eat both assuming they are not endangered, but there are big differences to both...not all animals are equal speaking in regards to being consumed by humans.

Farmed animals were designed for humans to eat, that is the main purpose of their existence. If we did not eat them they would not exist on this planet. Wild game could be seen as the circle of life, it is only natural for us to consume, or not.

Domesticated cats and dogs or horse for example should never be seen as okay to eat under normal conditions. They were not designed to be eaten, they were designed for other reasons, and they are not wild game either.

[~primetime~]

Oh and hunting as population control is one of the absolute dumbest arguments out there. The populations can control themselves, do control themselves, and would control themselves. They did it for millions of years before we arrived and they'll do it for millions of years after we're gone.
Some animals were introduced to certain lands by humans, like the python epidemic in Florida

We protect the animals with low populations and hunt the animals with high populations...seems logical to me

[MavsSuperFan]

Farmed animals (in or out of a cage) and wild game should not be viewed as equals

IMHO both are okay to eat both assuming they are not endangered, but there are big differences to both...not all animals are equal speaking in regards to being consumed by humans.

Farmed animals were designed for humans to eat, that is the main purpose of their existence. If we did not eat them they would not exist on this planet. Wild game could be seen as the circle of life, it is only natural for us to consume, or not.

Domesticated cats and dogs or horse for example should never be seen as okay to eat under normal conditions. They were not designed to be eaten, they were designed for other reasons, and they are not wild game either.

factor farming has a level of cruelty far surpassing anything hunters do. all i am saying is if you're not a vegan you're a hypocrite for having a problem with hunting, and i stand by that.

[LBJ 23]

Some animals were introduced to certain lands by humans, like the python epidemic in Florida

We protect the animals with low populations and hunt the animals with high populations...seems logical to me

You're right. But it's not only that, I'm still waiting for him to describe us how populations usually control themselves, or how nature controls populations which got out of hand and became to big? Personally I know how, I've seen it first hand too many times and it's not nice.

[Kblaze8855]

I dont care about hunting to eat. Id even respect it if people were at least a little sporting. Go hunt with a bow and arrow. Not one of these super ones that are a notch below a gun. A good old school bow and arrow.

Id respect the hell outta 10-15 people who hunt and kill buffalo the way cavemen used to. Your wits...the landscape. Hand tools. Chase them off a cliff. Whatever. I dont much respect waiting for an animal to happen by or luring it in with scents or its food source and killing it with a gun.

I dont have a big problem with it....

I just dont give props for it.

I live in the south now. The number of people I hear tell stories about killing a ____ from ____ yards gets real old.

You didnt do shit. You sat safe and snug in a deer stand and shot something that didnt know you were there....dont act like a badass.

Hunt a bear on foot with one shot and no reload. I'll sit in awe as you tell that story.

[~primetime~]

factor farming has a level of cruelty far surpassing anything hunters do. all i am saying is if you're not a vegan you're a hypocrite for having a problem with hunting, and i stand by that.
Agreed...I try to eat cage free whenever the option is there for me

I was just trying to point out that wild game and farmed meat have very different concepts behind them. Some one could see it okay to eat one but not the other.

[rezznor]

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[DeuceWallaces]

And excatly how do populations control themselves now, not millions of years before we arrived and with our development affected every animal species directly or indirectly?

You can't figure out how a population would control themselves without human intervention?

[rezznor]

You can't figure out how a population would control themselves without human intervention?
what are your views on population control for an invasive species? feral hogs in texas, pythons in florida, etc?

[LBJ 23]

I dont care about hunting to eat. Id even respect it if people were at least a little sporting. Go hunt with a bow and arrow. Not one of these super ones that are a notch below a gun. A good old school bow and arrow.

Id respect the hell outta 10-15 people who hunt and kill buffalo the way cavemen used to. Your wits...the landscape. Hand tools. Chase them off a cliff. Whatever. I dont much respect waiting for an animal to happen by or luring it in with scents or its food source and killing it with a gun.

I dont have a big problem with it....

I just dont give props for it.

I live in the south now. The number of people I hear tell stories about killing a ____ from ____ yards gets real old.

You didnt do shit. You sat safe and snug in a deer stand and shot something that didnt know you were there....dont act like a badass.

Hunt a bear on foot with one shot and no reload. I'll sit in awe as you tell that story.


Agree. That's why my primary hunting method is over 4000 years old. I'm a falconer and right now I have 3 falcons and 1 sparrowhawk which I use for hunting. I became a hunter because in my country there is a law which says that if you want to legally become a falconer, you have to become licensed hunter aswell.

I use a gun for hunting foxes, martens and other predators which are over populated and besides road traffic have no natural predator so their numbers have to be regulated by hunting. With a gun I hunt deer aswell but there's another reason for that, it's related to my questions to DeuceWallaces which still haven't been answered by him.

[DeuceWallaces]

what are your views on population control for an invasive species? feral hogs in texas, pythons in florida, etc?

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[LBJ 23]

You can't figure out how a population would control themselves without human intervention?


I don't need to figure it out. I've seen it first hand and had to intervene too many times. On the other hand it's you who probably has yet to step in the woods and see that nature it's not as friendly and pretty as you see on TV.

[DeuceWallaces]

I don't need to figure it out. I've seen it first hand and had to intervene too many times. On the other hand it's you who probably has yet to step in the woods and see that nature it's not as friendly and pretty as you see on TV.

:oldlol: You don't know much about nature if you can't figure out how populations control themselves without being hunted.

[D-FENS]

It's nature's way. If we weren't meant to shoot animals then we wouldn't haven the intelligence to be able to make such weapons. I'm sure all the natives back in the day that hunted with bows and spears would take a gun in a second if it guaranteed their life a little better.

Hunting is used to control population issues, but a lot of is simply for sport too. It's part of nature. It'll probably bite us in the ass eventually. The Earth will be here a lot longer than we ever will probably.

Aliens gonna get you first. They'll will probably choke on your embarrassing facal hair though

[MavsSuperFan]

:oldlol: You don't know much about nature if you can't figure out how populations control themselves without being hunted.
ya but feral hogs destroy a lot of farmers crops. their an economic drain. Culling them is the only economically feasible solution

[LBJ 23]

:oldlol: You don't know much about nature if you can't figure out how populations control themselves without being hunted.


I know. I was just waiting for you to tell us since you said that hunting as a population control method is the stupidest argument there is. Populations control themselves or better said, nature controls overly increased populations with an outbreak of diseases. And when that happens it's not nice and pretty and usually it almost wipes out that species or gets it to the minimum. I could write here all day about it and give you soo many examples but I will try not to be to long.

Lets talk about foxes. Here where I live they have no predators which would regulate their numbers. Here and there you find fox being killed as a road kill and that's it. Because of that and a lot of sources of food their numbers increased significantly to a point where the natural environment could not handle their big numbers anymore and the outbreak of scabies was
inevitable.(scabies are scientifically proven to outbreak when specific species outgrows the capacity of the environment which is populated by the said species)

People were calling hunters because sick foxes eaten alive by scabies could barely move and lost all fear and started searching for food around the houses. Foxes were eating cat and dog food because they could not catch their own food, they were suffering for months and were dying in garden sheds, it was all bones covered in rotten meat. We found hundreds of rotten bodies in the woods. Now, 1-2 years passed and you can barely see a fox in our region and it became almost extinct. It will take years for that particular species to recover.

That's nature for you and how it works, it's not nice and it's not pretty. Its actually pretty terrifying considering what all those animals had to go through, months of agonizing pain to ultimately die. And it's not just foxes, there are plenty of other species which suffer the same faith and plenty of diseases which are scientifically proven to outbreak when population is to big. It's just that all that is usually happening in the woods, hidden from the general public and city boys like yourself so you can't see that.

So I ask you, it's not better to regulate the numbers of particular species with hunting so the population is not too big nor to small, but somewhere in the middle where mortality due to diseases is maintained at a minimum?

Yes you have to shoot the animal and kill it, but what's better, animal being killed with a clean shot(there are exceptions when bad shot happens) when it dies in a matter of seconds and probably doesn't even feel any pain due to shock, or is it better to let the nature take care of it and wipe out the population with a disease where animals suffer for days, weeks, months to ultimately die in agony?

Here's a picture for you how it looks when you find a fox drowning in scabies and is just begging you to take it out of it's misery.



http://www.terrierman.com/nastyfox.jpg

[DeuceWallaces]

I'm right. And yes density dependent controls will take place and usually only last a season; whether it's disease, starvation, or whatever.

The point remains, hunting as population control is a dumb ****ing reason, especially when many times the populations need controlling because they were inflated due to management that relies on hunting fees.

[Meticode]

Aliens gonna get you first. They'll will probably choke on your embarrassing facal hair though
I have no idea what you mean, but okay. :oldlol:

In the end we hunt, we're humans, a lot of humans are going to want to hunt. It's in our nature to as hunter and gathers. Whether it be morally right or not as far as need and want goes in today's society. Get over it.

[DeuceWallaces]

I'd also like to add that your story wreaks of bullshit, because I can't imagine a situation where you'd find hundreds of foxes dead in the woods. They have decent sized ranges and are territorial. It's also fairly uncommon outside of Europe to be overrun with foxes, because no matter the location they have few predators to begin with outside of traffic and eagles.

[Kblaze8855]

Animals dont need population control for any reason that isnt human created or based on human interference. It worked itself out for 4 billion years before we had a hand in it and it will do so till the sun burns out.

Animals dont need anything from us but to be left alone.

A fox dying doesnt mean we need to go kill foxes.

Lots of species only have numbers so great because of something we did to give one or two species in an area an advantage.

Bring them where the ecosystem isnt prepared to stand up to them. Bring in prey animals in such numbers much larger populations of predators are possible than if we didnt.

This world gets along fine. nothing needs to be killed to save them from themselves.

If anything the rest of nature needs us to be killed to save them from us.

Most of the issues of "overpopulation" are because the animals are annoying to humans, bothersome to see, or destroy crops we put right where they live and expect them not to eat.

The only species overpopulated to the extent they truly hurt the world are us and various parasites that carry disease.

And really...the world got along fine with the mosquito for a long time. they infect and sicken weak animals that then die....and the strong resistant ones carry on and pass along strong genes.

The system works. Works well.

Only natural disasters and humanity are a threat to the wild.

Nature kills off species every day and would no matter what.

Natural selection. We dont have to interfere for any reason but our own comfort.

[LBJ 23]

I'm right. And yes density dependent controls will take place and usually only last a season; whether it's disease, starvation, or whatever.

The point remains, hunting as population control is a dumb ****ing reason, especially when many times the populations need controlling because they were inflated due to management that relies on hunting fees.


You're wrong. Your point would be valid if we would be talking a lot of years back when our development didn't influence the wildlife directly or indirectly as much as it does now. Destroying the habitats due to industry, roads, deforestation, ,... all that is causing much bigger(it's actually not even comparable) disproportion of different kinds of species populations in some areas because some species can adapt and others can't and become extinct on that area. And if we are talking about the predator and the prey correlation and if the predator is the one who can't adapt in this case, then you have a problem. And management that relies on hunting fees is not even comparable to the problem I mentioned.

[enayes]

There are degrees of it. I don't like hunting, but as long as the person eats what they kill, I'm fine with it. Then there's also population control, where a species can overwhelm another one and cause massive problems.

The two aspects of hunting that I can't stand are when animals are kept in those planned areas where people who don't know how to hunt can just shoot them anyway and the animal has zero chance of escape. If the animal doesn't at least have some chance of escape and the outcome is a foregone conclusion, just go to a butcher and stop pretending that you're anything other than a bitch. I also hate that "catch and release" shit where when people catch a fish they don't want, they just rip the hook out of its mouth and chuck it back into the water. You broke it you bought it, asshole.

:biggums:

Are you saying that if you catch a fish you shouldn't be able to throw it back?

You must have never gone fishing because you can catch the same fish 20 times in a row and the fish will be alive and well.

[enayes]

I am a hunter.

I only bow hunt and I started with a recurve (old style) bow.

I hunted on foot with it but was unable to kill a deer, I made a good shot on one but was unable to recover the animal and later saw it alive and well.

I killed my first and only deer with a compound bow.

I plan on using a crossbow this year, mainly because I know I can be more accurate with it and have a better chance of making a safe and humane kill.

[LBJ 23]

I'd also like to add that your story wreaks of bullshit, because I can't imagine a situation where you'd find hundreds of foxes dead in the woods. They have decent sized ranges and are territorial. It's also fairly uncommon outside of Europe to be overrun with foxes, because no matter the location they have few predators to begin with outside of traffic and eagles.



It's not bullshit. I'm from a country in the middle-east Europe and that's what happened. Last thing I need is making up stories about freaking foxes on ISH? Yes they have few predators to begin with, but where I live there is no bigger predators such as bears, wolves, lynxes nor does the fox have any competitors in the same size range like in the US such as coyotes, racoons and all other similar species which are living on your continent. All this led to such large disparities in population.

[LBJ 23]

And yea Kblaze you're right that system works perfectly.....in a world where human civilization does not exist and interfere with nature as radically as it does in a real world.

[Kblaze8855]

It would work now. What do you really think would happen if we didnt kill the "extra" animals?

They would die anyway....we would just be annoyed in the process.

As I said...we dont need to be involved. We just want to be.

And most of the problems were created by us in the first place.

Its ****ing with nature and replacing its response with a bullet which serves the same purpose.

But the bullet is more fun and reduces our having to deal with the animals dying on their own.

It has nothing to do with the well being of the animals.

Its just to serve our own purposes.

Which is...whatever. Im not some activist. I have leather seats. But I can be real about it.

Its just swapping suffering for my comfort. Id like it to end...but not enough to do anything about it.

Im selfish.

Which just makes me human.

[-p.tiddy-]

Disease can be a problem with animal overpopulation... Also sometimes animals can be overpopulated due to human interaction in the environment. Development killed their preditors maybe, so there is nothing to kill it and they take over

And yeah I don't see the point in talking about what would happen if humans didn't exist... We do exist. Maybe without humans aligators take over the entire earth. That doesn't mean we should let that happen.

[LBJ 23]

And most of the problems were created by us in the first place.



Yep, and that's why it's better in some cases that we're the ones who control the problem and not the nature, because that problem was created with our interference in the first place, and the last valves which nature would use would be too radical because that problem would not be there by the stream of natural laws in the first place.

Otherwise I pretty much agree what you say. Atleast you understand how things work and you're not one of those activists who will say ''ohh look at that poor animal getting shot by the hunter'' not knowing that nature could eliminate that particular animal in a much more terrible fashion.

[Kblaze8855]

Yep, and that's why it's better in some cases that we're the ones who control the problem and not the nature, because that problem was created with our interference in the first place, and the last valves which nature would use would be too radical because that problem would not be there by the stream of natural laws in the first place.

Otherwise I pretty much agree what you say. Atleast you understand how things work and you're not one of those activists who will say ''ohh look at that poor animal getting shot by the hunter'' not knowing that nature could eliminate that particular animal in a much more terrible fashion.


Be that as it may I think we both know most animals that are killed even those supposedly overpopulated aren't killed as an act of compassion.

It's largely just an excuse to kill.

As I said I live in the American South so I work with literally a dozen people who hunt. Men and women.

A lot of them sound straight up aroused talking about the things they kill and how fun it was.

A huge portion of the population control excuse is just bullshit. These people can't wait till their favorite season for killing rolls around.

I know a country girl who left from my job and took less money to work at an outdoor spot called Cabelas just off the love of hunting.

White girl from Texas. wears cowboy boots and all that. Has a bow and all these guns.

Shit is a way of life down here.

She isn't putting a gun in her five-year-olds hands on Facebook because she has a legitimate concern about deer overpopulation.

[~primetime~]

http://www.qdma.com/images/made/e654dc50289f4afd/hunter_density_574_421_s.jpg

Just for those who think all the hunting is done in Texas or just the south.

[LBJ 23]

Be that as it may I think we both know most animals that are killed even those supposedly overpopulated aren't killed as an act of compassion.

It's largely just an excuse to kill.

As I said I live in the American South so I work with literally a dozen people who hunt. Men and women.

A lot of them sound straight up aroused talking about the things they kill and how fun it was.

A huge portion of the population control excuse is just bullshit. These people can't wait till their favorite season for killing rolls around.

I know a country girl who left from my job and took less money to work at an outdoor spot called Cabelas just off the love of hunting.

White girl from Texas. wears cowboy boots and all that. Has a bow and all these guns.

Shit is a way of life down here.

She isn't putting a gun in her five-year-olds hands on Facebook because she has a legitimate concern about deer overpopulation.


Again, I completely agree with you on this point. If you check my first post in this thread I also mentioned that trophy hunting is something what absolutely should not be allowed. And thats what 99% of hunters do, hunt for trophies. Then you have those who love weapons and hunt animals just for the sake of shooting on a live target. Like I said, here where I live most of the old hunters are seeking just those rare/strangely shaped antlers on deer and are competing who has better trophy like it's a dick competition. Stupid, sad, primitive.

Looking at your and my examples of what kind of hunters we personally know, it still doesn't change the fact that there are instances and areas where hunting can be a method to correctly control some populations and this is not just a dumb argument like DeuceWallaces said. And that's all I'm saying in this thread.

And believe it or not, I try to hunt for that purpose only when I use a gun, otherwise I spend most of my time training/hunting with my falcons.

It's 7 am here, I finished my night shift and I go to sleep now :cheers:

[Kblaze8855]

I don't see hunters per mile as the way to look at it for obvious reasons. More people hunt in NY or Jersey than Wyoming.

But Wyoming is larger than either(much larger than Jersey) with a population less than the county I live in....in South Carolina.

Per capita Wyoming has much more hunters. Its like 35% of their population. Same for Montana. Your chart has Alabama and Jersey similar....how many New Jerseys would fit into Alabama?

And how many people are in Jersey?

Hunting per capita is the way to look at that.

Im sure the north still has a lot. But it isn't the same....way of life.

And im sure a lot more of the hunters up north are casual talked into it hunters...not living it.

These rednecks around here talk 2 things....

Hunting and college football.

[StephHamann]

Im a fisher, love fishing in the North Sea. Nothing tastes better than fresh fish.

:cheers:

[ballup]

You think cattle volunteer for the slaughterhouse?
Yes. The smiling cow on my lunchables box confirms thisi

[JohnnySic]

One reason I'm glad I live in Mass where hunting is so strictly regulated its almost not worth doing. :cheers:

[MrC1991]

I've been hunting since I was a little one freezer stuffed full of deer, pheasant, dove meat :D

[Godzuki]

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/08/18/idesk-crocodile-chases-swimmer.cnn.html

[timlush]

1. You guys should look up what it means if meat is "humane" or "free range" if you actually think the animals are living a decent life before being slaughtered.

2. The hunting to control population argument is completely bogus and actually has the opposite effect because the abundance of food there is after the hunting, the species actually ends up prospering and reproducing more than it had previously.

[~primetime~]

1. You guys should look up what it means if meat is "humane" or "free range" if you actually think the animals are living a decent life before being slaughtered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_range

:confusedshrug:


It means the animals are free to roam where ever, no cages in sight...as long as they don't live out tortured lives in some tiny little cage where they can't even move I am cool with it. I mean there isn't much more room for luxury we can give cows and chickens....give them lots of room to run around, give them food and water...shade when it's hot...that is all they really want or need.