Was Durant the first MVP to not be the best player of his team in the playoffs?

[livinglegend]

Westbrook clearly looked like the better player in the playoffs. Was Durant the first ever MVP to not be the best player of his team in the playoffs? Has it happened before?

[Warfan]

Role players probably outplayed Wilt in the playoffs when he won his MVP's. Atleast in the finals.

peppering my angus for LAZ

[JT123]

Never happened before this past playoffs. Durant brought shame to the most coveted award in sports. :facepalm

[JohnFreeman]

Probably

[livinglegend]

Role players probably outplayed Wilt in the playoffs when he won his MVP's. Atleast in the finals.

peppering my angus for LAZ

i doubt it. Wilt s teams sucked.

[NuggetsFan]

Dirk vs the Warriors. Josh Howard was better in the playoffs that year.

[livinglegend]

Never happened before this past playoffs. Durant brought shame to the most coveted award in sports. :facepalm

Not only did he get outplayed by another player, he also got shut down by midgets and had to be bailed out by the refs and bench players in crucial games. What a fail of a playoffs run that he had!

[Fudge]

30/9/4 on 46/34/81 > 27/7/8 on 42/28/88 doe. :confusedshrug:

[Smook A.]

He averaged more points and shot better than Westbrook did in the playoffs. Only thing Westbrook did better was dishing out the ball.

[Droid101]

30/9/4 on 46/34/81 > 27/7/8 on 42/28/88 doe. :confusedshrug:
What's a branstan to do here? Side with the lower percentage shooter (thereby saying shooting percentage doesn't matter) or side with their bitter rival? :oldlol:

[Fudge]

What's a branstan to do here? Side with the lower percentage shooter (thereby saying shooting percentage doesn't matter) or side with their bitter rival? :oldlol:
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

Bob Cousy, Bob Pettit & Dirk

[JohnFreeman]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/20140601/5045575/lance-stephenson-blowing-on-kevin-durant-o.gif

[NuggetsFan]

What's a branstan to do here? Side with the lower percentage shooter (thereby saying shooting percentage doesn't matter) or side with their bitter rival? :oldlol:

10th post in and here it comes :oldlol:

[LongLiveTheKing]

Westbrook clearly had a better impact in the playoffs KD was putting up empty stats
Westbrook is the leader of OKC

[chazzy]

27/7/8 on 54 TS% with 4.4 TOV

30/9/4 on 57 TS% with 3.8 TOV

Pretty close

[CelticBaller]

30/9/4 on 46/34/81 > 27/7/8 on 42/28/88 doe. :confusedshrug:
http://www.general-anaesthesia.com/images/ether.jpg

[JT123]

He averaged more points and shot better than Westbrook did in the playoffs. Only thing Westbrook did better was dishing out the ball.
Eye test bro. Westbrook was clearly the alpha dog who stepped up during the most crucial moments. Him and Reggie Jackson.

[Fudge]

Westbrook clearly had a better impact in the playoffs KD was putting up empty stats
Westbrook is the leader of OKC
Y'all like stats so much doe, and stats say otherwise.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/905e8dba0980b2ca99d8b0c6130561f8/tumblr_ml6oy0gX3C1snckw0o1_500.gif

[J Shuttlesworth]

Westbrook was huge in the playoffs, especially late in the games. He forced overtime in a lot of games that the Thunder should have lost, and made really key clutch rebounds/plays. on eye test, i would agree that Westbrook was better. I've seen some Thunder fans acknowledge this too

[JT123]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/20140601/5045575/lance-stephenson-blowing-on-kevin-durant-o.gif
:roll: KD's signature playoff moment!

[DaOldLion]

The weird thing is that Westbrook is a young lion, usually you would expect an elder lion to try to take the glory for one last meal. Westbrook is just that alpha.

[JohnFreeman]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IGyeuSK7fCs/U4rCZVD23oI/AAAAAAAAVFg/6Ue3DE6DyY4/s1600/kevin-durant-boy-dream-funny-nba-meme-jokes-pba-2014.jpg.jpg

[livinglegend]

He averaged more points and shot better than Westbrook did in the playoffs. Only thing Westbrook did better was dishing out the ball.

Basketball is much more than stats! Lewis changed the game 4 or game 5 (i dont remember exactly) of Indiana-Heat series by putting 0 point, 0 rebound, 0 assist.
Anyone who watched the playoffs would know that Westbrook was better than Durant.

[livinglegend]

Westbrook was huge in the playoffs, especially late in the games. He forced overtime in a lot of games that the Thunder should have lost, and made really key clutch rebounds/plays. on eye test, i would agree that Westbrook was better. I've seen some Thunder fans acknowledge this too

This!

[JohnFreeman]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/85d7e1fba99b1a999161419e5a412008/tumblr_n4uaicSeOo1rs5ngxo1_500.jpg

[Fudge]

http://www.general-anaesthesia.com/images/ether.jpg
I'm just too much, cuh.

[livinglegend]

:roll: KD's signature playoff moment!

This and the game where he got shut down by Chris Paul were his signature moments. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Warfan]

Also lol @ people arguing it. How can u have revisionist history for something that happened less than 2 months ago? :oldlol: Even every Thunder fan agreed russ was better

[Fudge]

Also lol @ people arguing it. How can u have revisionist history for something that happened less than 2 months ago? :oldlol: Even every Thunder fan agreed russ was better
But stats doe.

[Cocaine80s]

I'm just too much, cuh.
18,572
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[J Shuttlesworth]

Also lol @ people arguing it. How can u have revisionist history for something that happened less than 2 months ago? :oldlol: Even every Thunder fan agreed russ was better
http://i.imgur.com/rK5ZX2I.png

[Fudge]

18,572
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I don't get it.

[JohnFreeman]

http://giant.gfycat.com/IllfatedParallelIzuthrush.gif

[Cocaine80s]

I don't get it.

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remember now? :roll:

[Warfan]

But stats doe.

Westbrook's numbers were better, as well as advanced stats :confusedshrug:

[J Shuttlesworth]

http://giant.gfycat.com/IllfatedParallelIzuthrush.gif
Amazing how much that saved the series :bowdown:

Same with the steal against the Clippers, but that was also a huge CP3 choke

[Cocaine80s]

http://giant.gfycat.com/IllfatedParallelIzuthrush.gif
imagine if he decided to pull up from 3 and bricked it :oldlol:

[Fudge]

remember now? :roll:
I honestly still don't get it. Like, why's that supposed to be funny?

[Cocaine80s]

I honestly still don't get it. Like, why's that supposed to be funny?
because ur a shit poster :confusedshrug:

[Warfan]

http://i.imgur.com/rK5ZX2I.png

Budadiiii speaking the truth :applause: Well except for the ****** and monkey part

[JT123]

Budadiiii speaking the truth :applause: Well except for the ****** and monkey part
:coleman: I was about to report you.

[Fudge]

Westbrook's numbers were better
How?


as well as advanced stats
Like?

[Cocaine80s]

http://i.imgur.com/rK5ZX2I.png
:durantunimpressed:

[Fudge]

because ur a shit poster :confusedshrug:
And my rep bar and post count is relevant to this, why exactly?

[JohnFreeman]

http://giant.gfycat.com/ResponsibleCreativeAtlanticbluetang.gif

[Shep]

Interesting thread.

- Dirk Nowitzki was outplayed by Josh Howard in 2007 as already pointed out
- Steve Nash was outplayed by Shawn Marion in 2006 (but Nash shouldn't have been MVP)
- Michael Jordan was outplayed by Scottie Pippen in 1996
- Bill Walton didn't was injured in 1978 (but Walton shouldn't have been MVP)
- Wes Unseld was outplayed by Earl Monroe in 1969 (but Unself shouldn't have been MVP)
- Bob Pettit was outplayed by Cliff Hagan in 1959
- Bill Russell was outplayed by Bob Cousy in 1958

[J Shuttlesworth]

Per 36:

Durant - 24.9/7.5/3.3
Westbrook- 24.8/6.8/7.5

[Cocaine80s]

And my rep bar and post count is relevant to this, why exactly?
we would think 17k+ posts would mean ur a legit poster (which u were). but suddenly you became a troll

[dunksby]

1-21 doe.

[JohnFreeman]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/dr/nba/teamsites-nbateams/release/grizzlies/sites/grizzlies/files/imagecache/nba_standard/ta-980-121129-630.jpg
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/4679204/kevin-durant-gatorade-o.gif

[JT123]

1-21 doe.
Wouldn't have even gotten to those overtimes without Westbrook. :no:
While the "MVP" was letting midgets get in his head, Westbrook made huge plays in the clutch to force overtime and save KD the embarrassment of delivering an MVP speech from his living room.

[Warfan]

How?


Like?

IMO 27/7/8 w/4 to's 54TS% > 30/9/4 w/4 to's 56TS%

PER -
WB: 24.9
KD: 22.6

Win Shares per 48 min -
WB: 1.66
KD: 1.45

Per 100 Poss -
WB: 36/10/11
KD: 36/11/5

Per 36 min -
WB: 25/7/8
KD: 25/8/3

And this doesnt include defense, impact, and playing better in the big games.

[Fudge]

Durant 22.6 PER/57% TS/31.6 USG/Win Shares 2.5
Westbrook 24.9 PER/54% TS/34.3 USG/Win Shares 2.5

ORTG and DRTG is pretty dead even. Russ turned it over at a higher percentage.

:confusedshrug:

[JohnFreeman]

IMO 27/7/8 w/4 to's 54TS% > 30/9/4 w/4 to's 56TS%

PER -
WB: 24.9
KD: 22.6

Win Shares per 48 min -
WB: 1.66
KD: 1.45

Per 100 Poss -
WB: 36/10/11
KD: 36/11/5

Per 36 -
WB: 25/7/8
KD: 25/8/3
:applause:

[livinglegend]

IMO 27/7/8 w/4 to's 54TS% > 30/9/4 w/4 to's 56TS%

PER -
WB: 24.9
KD: 22.6

Win Shares per 48 min -
WB: 1.66
KD: 1.45

Per 100 Poss -
WB: 36/10/11
KD: 36/11/5

Per 36 min -
WB: 25/7/8
KD: 25/8/3

And this doesnt include defense, impact, and playing better in the big games.

:applause: :applause:

[JT123]

Durant 22.6 PER/57% TS/31.6 USG/Win Shares 2.5
Westbrook 24.9 PER/54% TS/34.3 USG/Win Shares 2.5

ORTG and DRTG is pretty dead even. Russ turned it over at a higher percentage.

:confusedshrug:
Give it a rest guy. You even made a thread calling his bitch ass out during that Memphis series. :oldlol: :oldlol:
Don't make me go looking for it. :coleman:

[livinglegend]

Interesting thread.

- Dirk Nowitzki was outplayed by Josh Howard in 2007 as already pointed out
- Steve Nash was outplayed by Shawn Marion in 2006 (but Nash shouldn't have been MVP)
- Michael Jordan was outplayed by Scottie Pippen in 1996
- Bill Walton didn't was injured in 1978 (but Walton shouldn't have been MVP)
- Wes Unseld was outplayed by Earl Monroe in 1969 (but Unself shouldn't have been MVP)
- Bob Pettit was outplayed by Cliff Hagan in 1959
- Bill Russell was outplayed by Bob Cousy in 1958

good post :cheers:

[Inferno]

What's a branstan to do here? Side with the lower percentage shooter (thereby saying shooting percentage doesn't matter) or side with their bitter rival? :oldlol:

:oldlol:

[J Shuttlesworth]

IMO 27/7/8 w/4 to's 54TS% > 30/9/4 w/4 to's 56TS%

PER -
WB: 24.9
KD: 22.6

Win Shares per 48 min -
WB: 1.66
KD: 1.45

Per 100 Poss -
WB: 36/10/11
KD: 36/11/5

Per 36 min -
WB: 25/7/8
KD: 25/8/3

And this doesnt include defense, impact, and playing better in the big games.
Numbers are close enough to where you can use the eye test to see who the better player is. Westbrook definitely won the eye test battle

Remind me to rep you later for this post, btw

[red1]

Obvious troll thread but real talk I was surprised at how little impact durant seemed to have compared to westbrook during these playoffs. KD put up the better numbers but it seemed like westbrook made most of the critical plays. It will be interesting to see how they stack up against each other in the WCF this year

[Warfan]

Also think about the matchups westbrook had. He went up against some of the best pointguards in the league in Conley, CP3, and Parker. He was forced to play well on both ends which he did, and he clearly outplayed all of them.

[dunksby]

It's entertaining watching LeBronytes having nightmares about KD, carry on. :cheers:

[Fudge]

Either way, they're both on mah team, pleeeeighboyyyyy.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Also think about the matchups westbrook had. He went up against some of the best pointguards in the league in Conley, CP3, and Parker. He was forced to play well on both ends which he did, and he clearly outplayed all of them.
To be fair, Durant went up against him too

[livinglegend]

Obvious troll thread but real talk I was surprised at how little impact durant seemed to have compared to westbrook during these playoffs. KD put up the better numbers but it seemed like westbrook made most of the critical plays. It will be interesting to see how they stack up against each other in the WCF this year
:facepalm

According to some people like you, every thread about Jordan, Lebron, Kobe or Durant= trolling.

[JT123]

To be fair, Durant went up against him too:lebronamazed:

[red1]

Also think about the matchups westbrook had. He went up against some of the best pointguards in the league in Conley, CP3, and Parker. He was forced to play well on both ends which he did, and he clearly outplayed all of them.
westbrook was amazing these playoffs


:facepalm

According to some people like you, every thread about Jordan, Lebron, Kobe or Durant= trolling.
oh shut the f*ck up

[livinglegend]

westbrook was amazing these playoffs


oh shut the f*ck up

atleast back off your statement a little before giving up so soon. It makes you look weak.

[KG215]

Eye test bro. Westbrook was clearly the alpha dog who stepped up during the most crucial moments. Him and Reggie Jackson.
Sure, if you just want to ignore what Durant did in games 6 and 7 against the Grizzlies and game 6 against the Clippers.

[JT123]

:facepalm

According to some people like you, every thread about Jordan, Lebron, Kobe or Durant= trolling.
The mods buy into this line of thinking as well. Every day you will see no less than 3 troll threads about Lebron on the first page alone. Yet as soon as someone makes a troll thread about Kobe the thread gets deleted or locked in 2 minutes, and the poser banned for at least 2 days. :rolleyes:

[red1]

atleast back off your statement a little before giving up so soon. It makes you look weak.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/08/article-0-0290058B00000578-290_468x286.jpg

[KG215]

IMO 27/7/8 w/4 to's 54TS% > 30/9/4 w/4 to's 56TS%

PER -
WB: 24.9
KD: 22.6

Win Shares per 48 min -
WB: 1.66
KD: 1.45

Per 100 Poss -
WB: 36/10/11
KD: 36/11/5

Per 36 min -
WB: 25/7/8
KD: 25/8/3

And this doesnt include defense, impact, and playing better in the big games.
I'm not going to say Durant was better than Westbrook, but it certainly isn't some unanimous nod in Westbrook's favor like the LeBron stans and you (I don't know what you are) are insinuating.

[JohnFreeman]

Unanimous nod for Westbrook

[J Shuttlesworth]

I'm not going to say Durant was better than Westbrook, but it certainly isn't some unanimous nod in Westbrook's favor like the LeBron stans and you (I don't know what you are) are insinuating.
Well the thread title says "not the best player on his team in the playoffs"

It's pretty clear that Durant wasn't the best on his team in the playoffs, and he as at best, tied w/ WB

[J Shuttlesworth]

And btw, Warfan, the dude supplying most of the objective info ITT, is far from a LeBron stan

[masonanddixon]

Lebron in 2010-2011 was worse than Wade

[JT123]

I'm not going to say Durant was better than Westbrook, but it certainly isn't some unanimous nod in Westbrook's favor like the LeBron stans and you (I don't know what you are) are insinuating.
Come on bro. Even russwest0 aka the biggest Durant knob slobber on this site, said Westbrook was better. :confusedshrug:

[Fudge]

Come on bro. Even russwest0 aka the biggest Durant knob slobber on this site, said Westbrook was better. :confusedshrug:
:hammerhead:

[JT123]

Lebron in 2010-2011 was worse than Wade
Lebron was MVP in 2011? :facepalm
Learn how to read.

[JT123]

:hammerhead:
So you aren't his biggest knob slobber? :lol

[livinglegend]

Lebron in 2010-2011 was worse than Wade

It s funny how robotic some of your minds are. As soon as you see that some1 criticizes Durant, you assume that person is a Lebron fan. :lol I'm not a Lebron fan, and Lebron wasn't even the MVP in 2011.

[masonanddixon]

Lebron was MVP in 2011? :facepalm
Learn how to read.

Oh shit you're right. I take that back.

[Fudge]

So you aren't his biggest knob slobber? :lol
I probably am. But russ isn't. :hammerhead:

[Warfan]

I'm not going to say Durant was better than Westbrook, but it certainly isn't some unanimous nod in Westbrook's favor like the LeBron stans and you (I don't know what you are) are insinuating.

Im not a bron stan or anything, i have no agenda. I like KD much more than Westbrook anyway. I do think it's close actually, but i just think Westbrook played better. Numbers are pretty close even though i'd argue they slightly favor Westbrook, and watching the games helped me conclude that he was better. It wasnt a huge gap at all though, there is fair criticism that can be placed on Westbrook (for example the 1-21 shooting in OT which is pathetic). But overall he was great...

[KG215]

Well the thread title says "not the best player on his team in the playoffs"

It's pretty clear that Durant wasn't the best on his team in the playoffs, and he as at best, tied w/ WB
Fair enough, but how much of that had to do with Durant playing 3,100 minutes in the regular season (more than anyone else in the NBA) and Westbrook being fresh and well-rested after playing about 1,400 minutes in the regular season? I don't know why people keep overlooking this.

Westbrook was great in the playoffs and I really hope and think he will keep up that level of play this coming season. But when people start comparing his 2014 playoffs to Durant's 2014 playoffs, you have to take fatigue into account considering Durant played 1,700 more minutes and 35 more games than Westbrook in the regular season.

[Cocaine80s]

It s funny how robotic some of your minds are. As soon as you see that some1 criticizes Durant, you assume that person is a Lebron fan. :lol I'm not a Lebron fan, and Lebron wasn't even the MVP in 2011.
:biggums:

[chazzy]

I'm not a Lebron fan
:rolleyes:

[Fudge]

you have to take fatigue into account considering Durant played 1,700 more minutes and 35 more games than Westbrook in the regular season.
I mean, it's only right that we should. They've taken matchups and all of that into consideration too.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Fair enough, but how much of that had to do with Durant playing 3,100 minutes in the regular season (more than anyone else in the NBA) and Westbrook being fresh and well-rested after playing about 1,400 minutes in the regular season? I don't know why people keep overlooking this.

Westbrook was great in the playoffs and I really hope and think he will keep up that level of play this coming season. But when people start comparing his 2014 playoffs to Durant's 2014 playoffs, you have to take fatigue into account considering Durant played 1,700 more minutes and 35 more games than Westbrook in the regular season.
I'm not disagreeing with any of this, but it doesn't change the fact that Durant is the first MVP to not be the best player on his team in the playoffs, fatigue or no fatigue.

I wonder if it means that KD won't be gunning for MVP this year :eek:

[Cocaine80s]

Fair enough, but how much of that had to do with Durant playing 3,100 minutes in the regular season (more than anyone else in the NBA) and Westbrook being fresh and well-rested after playing about 1,400 minutes in the regular season? I don't know why people keep overlooking this.

Westbrook was great in the playoffs and I really hope and think he will keep up that level of play this coming season. But when people start comparing his 2014 playoffs to Durant's 2014 playoffs, you have to take fatigue into account considering Durant played 1,700 more minutes and 35 more games than Westbrook in the regular season.
u could also make the case for Westbrook who just came off a meniscus tear and 2 surgeries

[JT123]

LOL at a 25 year old being "fatigued"
Maybe he shouldn't have stat padded so much in the regular season.

[T_L_P]

I'm not disagreeing with any of this, but it doesn't change the fact that Durant is the first MVP to not be the best player on his team in the playoffs, fatigue or no fatigue.

I wonder if it means that KD won't be gunning for MVP this year :eek:

I'd add Dirk.

[Dragic4Life]

livinglegend just pointed out a mindblowing fact to me. Just wow.

I still can't believe Durant isn't even the best player on his team.:facepalm

[livinglegend]

:biggums:

It s true. I dont support any player or any team. I used to be a Lebron/Heat fan 5-6 months ago, but not anymore.

[KG215]

I'm not disagreeing with any of this, but it doesn't change the fact that Durant is the first MVP to not be the best player on his team in the playoffs, fatigue or no fatigue.

I wonder if it means that KD won't be gunning for MVP this year :eek:
Except, you know...he's not.

[Dragic4Life]

Except, you know...he's not.
We all saw him get OUTPLAYED by Russell Westbrook in the playoffs. All those clutch situations when he DEFERRED to Westbrook.

Undeserving MVP smh.:facepalm

[Warfan]

It s true. I dont support any player or any team. I used to be a Lebron/Heat fan 5-6 months ago, but not anymore.

So what team/s will you be mainly watching next year?

[livinglegend]

So what team/s will you be mainly watching next year?

i dont know. I will only watch the big national tv games involving top seeds. I wont watch many games next year. I ll have to study hard in the university.

[Warfan]

i dont know. I will only watch the big national tv games involving top seeds. I wont watch many games next year. I ll have to study hard in the university.

Didnt you say you were from Oklahoma or something?? Why arent you a fan??

[livinglegend]

Didnt you say you were from Oklahoma or something?? Why arent you a fan??

I never said that and i never was a fan of that team.

[Warfan]

I never said that and i never was a fan of that team.

:coleman: I remember that you did, unless you were lying. What state are you in now or do you not live there anymore?? Ive only been back to Oakland like a few times myself since i left the States...

[livinglegend]

:coleman: I remember that you did, unless you were lying. What state are you in now or do you not live there anymore?? Ive only been back to Oakland like a few times myself since i left the States...

i dont remember saying that. And i m in Canada right now

[Droid101]

Well the thread title says "not the best player on his team in the playoffs"

No, it says "The FIRST MVP to not be the best player on his team in the playoffs."

So, a simple "no" would have put this thread to bed. Why are you all still posting?

[Warfan]

i dont remember saying that. And i m in Canada right now

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9916738&postcount=118

I just realized you copied this from Budadiii's first post in the thread :oldlol: Dont worry about it :oldlol:

[livinglegend]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9916738&postcount=118

I just realized you copied this from Budadiii's first post in the thread :oldlol: Dont worry about it :oldlol:

yeah, it was to show him hoow flawed was his idea

[riseagainst]

What's a branstan to do here? Side with the lower percentage shooter (thereby saying shooting percentage doesn't matter) or side with their bitter rival? :oldlol:

:oldlol:

[StrongLurk]

Durant was 1A, Westbrook 1B. Just like Lebron was 1A, Wade 1B in 2011.

[Hoopz2332]

Westbrook was beter w/o question. Durants raw stats were slightly fromthe extra mins he was playing but Durants terrible PER @ 22.6 reveals the truth while Westbrooks was @ 24.93

http://i.imgur.com/j3fNWcD.png

Westbrook also mad most of the clutch plays (before overtime) on off and defense. Durant was basically terrible all playoffs:lol

[K Xerxes]

Westbrook was beter w/o question. Durants raw stats were slightly fromthe extra mins he was playing but Durants terrible PER @ 22.6 reveals the truth while Westbrooks was @ 24.93

http://i.imgur.com/j3fNWcD.png

Westbrook also mad most of the clutch plays (before overtime) on off and defense. Durant was basically terrible all playoffs:lol

Dejuan Blair and Taj Gibson at #2 and #4 :lol

[Hoopz2332]

Dejuan Blair and Taj Gibson at #2 and #4 :lol


context my freind. You don't compare players that don't play somewhat similar minutes and duties on the floor.

[Hoopz2332]

It's entertaining watching LeBronytes having nightmares about KD, carry on. :cheers:


nightmares are what Durant has when he faces lebron:lol



:facepalm


LeBron James Stampedes the Thunder in OKC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tMQsCX0z74&hd=1


LeBron catches fire to end 1st half!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c26cnWlK2Ms&hd=1


Nightly Notable: LeBron Torches the Thunder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0ClVgLKEKk&hd=1

LeBron & Durant battle to close 1st half of season!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaTbGGGm354&hd=1



http://i.imgur.com/09aOjoz.png



:oldlol:


http://i.imgur.com/HGOMT90.gif

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhcTPWqIIAAsjSk.jpg

[j3lademaster]

Fair enough, but how much of that had to do with Durant playing 3,100 minutes in the regular season (more than anyone else in the NBA) and Westbrook being fresh and well-rested after playing about 1,400 minutes in the regular season? I don't know why people keep overlooking this.

Westbrook was great in the playoffs and I really hope and think he will keep up that level of play this coming season. But when people start comparing his 2014 playoffs to Durant's 2014 playoffs, you have to take fatigue into account considering Durant played 1,700 more minutes and 35 more games than Westbrook in the regular season.of course don't mention wb's 3 surgeries lol. I'm positive I find more guys who play 40 mpg in the reg season and can put up high 20's in the playoffs than do what Russ did.

Kobe, Lebron, MJ, Kidd, hell every star under 30 is expected to play high 30 mpg for the regular season and still expected to perform in the playoffs. Did you see the reg season load your boy KG had to burden in the regs? He was still expected to perform come playoff time. KD is a lean 25 year old who does no almost no dirty work for his team fatigue is a terrible excuse. A very pathetic reach.

[KG215]

of course don't mention wb's 3 surgeries lol. I'm positive I find more guys who play 40 mpg in the reg season and can put up high 20's in the playoffs than do what Russ did.

Kobe, Lebron, MJ, Kidd, hell every star under 30 is expected to play high 30 mpg for the regular season and still expected to perform in the playoffs. Did you see the reg season load your boy KG had to burden in the regs? He was still expected to perform come playoff time. KD is a lean 25 year old who does no almost no dirty work for his team fatigue is a terrible excuse. A very pathetic reach.
Not my point. I should've mentioned Westbrook's surgeries so I apologize for that. I'm not trying to discredit what he did. I'm a Thunder fan. It's just getting annoying seeing the usual suspects (LeBron stans) post the same shit over and over again without looking at the whole picture. But with Westbrook, yes, he had those surgeries but all reports at the time (before the scope and clean in September or October and the second surgery and time missed after Christmas) he wasn't ever really in any pain. It was mostly swelling issues which needed to be addressed. He was playing the best basketball of his career up to and through Christmas day after he shook off the rust. Then, after he came back in February and shook off the rust, he looked just as good in March/April as he did in December. So yes, I do think it should be noted that fatigue played a part in Durant's struggles in the playoffs (although it's getting overblown) while Westbrook being well-rested played a role in the perceived gap in his and Durant's play.

It's never a "pathetic reach" as you so ignorantly put it. Durant carried a significant of work for OKC while Westbrook was out. I'm very aware every player of Durant's caliber had to carry a similar heavy load and play a lot of minutes around the same age, and we saw plenty of those players "fail" to the same extent Durant dd this year. It's just that not very many (if any) had a teammate of Westbrook's caliber so people could dig deeper into their arsenal of hate threads/posts and use the "Is ________ the first MVP to be outplayed by a teammate in the playoffs." OKC is a very fortunate franchise in that they have two high caliber players. Unfortunately, and especially after Ibaka got injured, the rest of the supporting cast didn't do much and we saw them both worn down by the WCF.

[Hoopz2332]

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[3ball]

Westbrook was better than Durant in these playoffs.. but imo he's the 3rd best player itl, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he can be better than Durant over small samples.

In reality, when westbrook is playing his best, he's the best player in the league.... like when he became the 2nd player ever to get 40 points and 10 assists in a playoff game or when he scored 43 points against the Heat in the 2012 Finals.

It might sound crazy, but so far, the apex (playoff peak) of Westbrook's game is actually higher than Durant's and this current, older version of Lebron.
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