If the Cavs fail to win a title in the next two years

[Rodmantheman]

would that be considered a failure?

[sick_brah07]

irving
waiters
lebron
love
varajao
thompson
marion

if they dont win in the first two years i will be shocked and broke cause im putting a bit of money on them to win

[PJR]

It would be so Cleveland.

And I think it's going to happen. :oldlol:

[Rodmantheman]

irving
waiters
lebron
love
varajao
thompson
marion

if they dont win in the first two years i will be shocked and broke cause im putting a bit of money on them to win

On paper that seems like a great team but chemistry and defense will tell if they could a title.

[SouBeachTalents]

If they don't at least make one Finals, then yes, that would have to be considered a failure

[Rodmantheman]

It would be so Cleveland.

And I think it's going to happen. :oldlol:

They haven't won a title in 50 years:confusedshrug:

[Sarcastic]

They haven't won a title in 50 years:confusedshrug:

How does that have any bearing on the future?

[RedBlackAttack]

This just in... winning a title is very difficult. Are the Cavs even the favorites? Not in my opinion with the way the Spurs have looked the past two years.

[JT123]

Not really. Love and Kyrie are unproven stars who can't lead a team to the playoffs on their own.

[j3lademaster]

This just in... winning a title is very difficult. Are the Cavs even the favorites? Not in my opinion with the way the Spurs have looked the past two years.This. Cavs are definitely the most talented team I've seen in a while, but winning it all just takes so many factors. If NBA success was solely based on talent Anthony Randolph would have made at least 1 all star team, but it's not and this dude's not even in the league anymore.

[Rodmantheman]

This roster lacks size upfront I think rebounding and defense will be a weakness for this team.

[Bandito]

Not really. Love and Kyrie are unproven stars who can't lead a team to the playoffs on their own.
Lebron cant lead his team to a finals win and he still won thanks to Bosh and Wade.

[RedBlackAttack]

This roster lacks size upfront I think rebounding and defense will be a weakness for this team.
Defense may be a problem. Rebounding, though? Anderson Varejao and Kevin Love are two of the best natural rebounders in the entire league, and both LeBron and Tristan Thompson are above average. Rebounding should be a strength, tbh.

[Hey Yo]

This roster lacks size upfront I think rebounding and defense will be a weakness for this team.
And a serviceable back-up PG. Forget about gettin Ray-Ray, get some depth up front and at PG

[Hey Yo]

Defense may be a problem. Rebounding, though? Anderson Varejao and Kevin Love are two of the best natural rebounders in the entire league, and both LeBron and Tristan Thompson are above average. Rebounding should be a strength, tbh.
Not sure how much Andy V. can be counted on due to health problems over the years. He did appear in 65 games last season, though.

[RedBlackAttack]

And a serviceable back-up PG. Forget about gettin Ray-Ray, get some depth up front and at PG
Delly is actually a good change-of-pace from Kyrie. He's a f#cking little bulldog.

[Meticode]

This roster lacks size upfront I think rebounding and defense will be a weakness for this team.
Rebounding shouldn't be a problem. When Varejao is one of the better rebounders at this position. Love is pretty close to the best rebounding PF in the league. And LeBron is near the top of re bounders at SF usually getting around 7 a game.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron cant lead his team to a finals win and he still won thanks to Bosh and Wade.

You wanna give credit to Wade, that's fair, he played well in the 2012 playoffs and stepped up in the last 4 games of the 2013 Finals.

What does LeBron have to "thank" Bosh for? Missing most of the 2012 playoffs, where he put up a pedestrian 14 & 8? His sterling play in the 2013 playoffs, averaging 12 & 7 and getting abused by Hibbert and Duncan, capped off with his bagel in Game 7 of the Finals? I know, he grabbed a rebound over someone 5 inches shorter than him, besides that, otherworldly contribution, LeBron owes both of his titles solely to Bosh.

[DukeDelonte13]

eh, kinda a failure. It is Cleveland. They need to break a major curse for it to happen.

Cle's first chip after 5 decades would be one of the greatest championships ever.

[JtotheIzzo]

would that be considered a failure?

MASSIVE FAILURE

-it will ruin the legacy of Bran
-further ruin the city of Cleveland
-put Kevin Love into depression

but the like of Durant, Wiggins and Kobe will benefit greatly.

[sick_brah07]

On paper that seems like a great team but chemistry and defense will tell if they could a title.


I agree with what your saying

but
arroyo
wade
lebron
bosh
cant even remmeber
mike miller
cant even remmeber
bibby and big Z

made it in a tougher of conference

no reason to assume there team now wont make it

[Soundwave]

If you are the self anointed best player in the game and you have a fairly talented team around you and you don't win a title in two of your final remaining "prime years" ... yes that's a disappointment.

That's just how it is, if you want that mantle of being known as the best player in the game, you need to live up the billing.

The Spurs too ... c'mon. Duncan is f**king thirty nine years OLD next season. Somebody grow some damn balls and take that trophy.

[JellyBean]

If the Cavs fail to win a title within three years, it would be a huge failure.

[Meticode]

If the Cavaliers fail to win a title in two years it's what I expect and I wouldn't be surprised. Tunnel vision is not here in this soul.

[RedBlackAttack]

If the Cavaliers fail to win a title in two years it's what I expect and I wouldn't be surprised. Tunnel vision is not here in this soul.
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1357165/confused-o.gif

[El Gato Negro]

It's funny how underrated wild thing and delly are on defense. and Andys random blood clot will surely be a lingering injury.:lol

[poido123]

Don't teams need to be pretty close to a top 10 defense to win a title historically?

I don't see that with this team as it currently stands.

Bulls will murder their interior and inability to cover our shooters.

[poido123]

It's funny how underrated wild thing and delly are on defense. and Andys random blood clot will surely be a lingering injury.:lol


Andy has played 2 seasons out of 10.

The last 4 years he has only played more than half a season once.

Unless they nearly completely shelve him, its unlikely he will be there in the playoffs.

[El Gato Negro]

Andy has played 2 seasons out of 10.

The last 4 years he has only played more than half a season once.

Unless they nearly completely shelve him, its unlikely he will be there in the playoffs.
Wishful thinking, his injuries are not related. Also i hate to burst your bubble but the cavs were ranked 12th defensively last year before the added bran so hoping they won't be top 10 this year also wishful thinking. Andy has a better chance of staying healthy than rose. funny you complain about people wishing injury on players and you do the same thing with Andy.

[TheReal Kendall]

Honestly the team really doesn't look that great to me.

I don't even have them winning the ECF this year.

[poido123]

Wishful thinking, his injuries are not related. Also i hate to burst your bubble but the cavs were ranked 12th defensively last year before the added bran so hoping they won't be top 10 this year also wishful thinking. Andy has a better chance of staying healthy than rose.

Love does not improve their defense, so lebron and love are pretty much a wash. That team as it stands is not a good enough defensive team to win a title.

Andy does not have a better chance of staying healthy than rose.

2 out of 10 complete seasons compared to 3 out of 6...you do the math.

When does the excuses for him missing seasons stop being attributed to "random" events?

Obviously he cannot deal with the rigors of an NBA season. He was banged up all year last year until they shut him down.

[MastaKilla]

Warfan did you delete your post?

[Warfan]

Warfan did you delete your post?

Yeah i was gonna write up something different and post again because i didnt properly say what i meant. But i cant be fukked now :lol

[El Gato Negro]

Love does not improve their defense, so lebron and love are pretty much a wash. That team as it stands is not a good enough defensive team to win a title.

Andy does not have a better chance of staying healthy than rose.

2 out of 10 complete seasons compared to 3 out of 6...you do the math.

When does the excuses for him missing seasons stop being attributed to "random" events?

Obviously he cannot deal with the rigors of an NBA season. He was banged up all year last year until they shut him down.
Nice opinion here are some facts the cavs are going to be better defensively than people think. lebron lead team are never out of the top 10 defensively. Andy is playing for Brazil right now and hasn't need to rest unlike rose. Andy is coming back from a blood clot in his lung not basketball related, he played more games than gasol last year. Your a blind homer and a lousy troll :roll:

[poido123]

Nice opinion here are some facts the cavs are going to be better defensively than people think. lebron lead team are never out of the top 10 defensively. Andy is playing for Brazil right now and hasn't need to rest unlike rose. Andy is coming back from a blood clot in his lung not basketball related, he played more games than gasol last year. Your a blind homer and a lousy troll :roll:


You still defending Andy's injury history?

:facepalm

I have had him in many of my fantasy teams last year and I can tell you there were consistent reports of various niggling injuries and it got to the point where he was shutdown because of it. That isn't even including his blood clot issue.

Now, instead of trying to make shit up to suit your story, I hope you do understand that players have intermittent rests and a day by day approach to long term absences/injuries which Rose has had. They decided to be cautious with him and bring him along slowly.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/us-routs-dominicans-exhibition-rose-010000405--nba.html

There's an article that should clear up any confusion or doubt about rose.

I wish for the best Cavs team to be out there when we inevitably play him, but going on facts and past history, Andy being there at the end of a season, the odds are against him.

[DatAsh]

If you are the self anointed best player in the game and you have a fairly talented team around you and you don't win a title in two of your final remaining "prime years" ... yes that's a disappointment.

That's just how it is, if you want that mantle of being known as the best player in the game, you need to live up the billing.

The Spurs too ... c'mon. Duncan is f**king thirty nine years OLD next season. Somebody grow some damn balls and take that trophy.


What do you mean by "self anointed"?

[DatAsh]

Don't teams need to be pretty close to a top 10 defense to win a title historically?

I don't see that with this team as it currently stands.

Bulls will murder their interior and inability to cover our shooters.

Using the percentile(since the number of teams changes over the years),
5 teams have won an NBA championship while being outside the top "10" defensively since 1957.

[El Gato Negro]

You still defending Andy's injury history?

:facepalm

I have had him in many of my fantasy teams last year and I can tell you there were consistent reports of various niggling injuries and it got to the point where he was shutdown because of it. That isn't even including his blood clot issue.

Now, instead of trying to make shit up to suit your story, I hope you do understand that players have intermittent rests and a day by day approach to long term absences/injuries which Rose has had. They decided to be cautious with him and bring him along slowly.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/us-routs-dominicans-exhibition-rose-010000405--nba.html

There's an article that should clear up any confusion or doubt about rose.

I wish for the best Cavs team to be out there when we inevitably play him, but going on facts and past history, Andy being there at the end of a season, the odds are against him.
Im not confused about rose we heard the same bs last year and i expect nothing different this year. as for facts keep telling yourself a team that ranked 12th in defensive efficiency last year that added lebron won't be better defensively this year. delusion at its finest right there. the bulls have no defense that can stop love and bran running pick and roll none. and by the time the playoffs come thibs will have all his players run into the ground already. he can't manage minutes.

[poido123]

Im not confused about rose we heard the same bs last year and i expect nothing different this year. as for facts keep telling yourself a team that ranked 12th in defensive efficiency last year that added lebron won't be better defensively this year. delusion at its finest right there. the bulls have no defense that can stop love and bran running pick and roll none. and by the time the playoffs come thibs will have all his players run into the ground already. he can't manage minutes.


By "watching" games, I can tell you that the Cavs are not near a top defensive unit this season as they currently stand.

By watching games, I can tell you that Lebron was not as good defensively last season as the season before. I think he got progressively worse.

You talk about stopping Love and Lebron pick and roll? Gibson is one of the best defenders at defending the pick and roll.

Butler is top 3 in the league at defending Lebron. So that makes 2 players who are able to reduce Cavs best weapons.

Do Cavs have dependable defenders to close out on our shooters? And to reduce the effectiveness of our two elite big man passing game?

How will Lebron maximise effectiveness of team defense on Rose when Bulls will have the shooters and post players to score and punish them? Who's stopping McDermott run off screens and shoot?

Rose's penetration and kick outs to the shooters will be pretty hard to stop.

Anyways, you can talk up the big names on the Cavs, but the Bulls can exploit their weaknesses like no other.

[Dragic4Life]

How is it a failure when we aren't even the top 5 most stacked team in the league?:facepalm

Sure we have the best player on earth, but that's it. Nobody else is worth a lick of mention.

[Prometheus]

Lebron cant lead his team to a finals win and he still won thanks to Bosh and Wade.

So who led Miami to their back-to-back championships?

[poido123]

So who led Miami to their back-to-back championships?


That was a silly statement by him. Clearly Lebron lead those teams.

But I will say, it will be harder to lead this revamped team with little playoff experience over more tried and tested opponents who have more continuity...

[Prometheus]

That was a silly statement by him. Clearly Lebron lead those teams.

But I will say, it will be harder to lead this revamped team with little playoff experience over more tried and tested opponents who have more continuity...

Yeah, I don't really think Cleveland will win a title this year or the next. They have a lot of talent but seem to be missing certain things necessary to be champions (mainly defense).

I think they have 2004 Lakers written all over them.

[JtotheIzzo]

How is it a failure when we aren't even the top 5 most stacked team in the league?:facepalm

Sure we have the best player on earth, but that's it. Nobody else is worth a lick of mention.

Branstans hating on teammates:rolleyes:

[ImKobe]

So people expect Lebron to make his 5th consecutive Finals and win it as well, after 4 deep Playoff runs?


The standards on ISH are pretty ridiculous when it comes to Lebron. Moving goalposts to undermine his contributions as a basketball player.

[El Gato Negro]

By "watching" games, I can tell you that the Cavs are not near a top defensive unit this season as they currently stand.

By watching games, I can tell you that Lebron was not as good defensively last season as the season before. I think he got progressively worse.

You talk about stopping Love and Lebron pick and roll? Gibson is one of the best defenders at defending the pick and roll.

Butler is top 3 in the league at defending Lebron. So that makes 2 players who are able to reduce Cavs best weapons. :eek:

Do Cavs have dependable defenders to close out on our shooters? And to reduce the effectiveness of our two elite big man passing game?

How will Lebron maximise effectiveness of team defense on Rose when Bulls will have the shooters and post players to score and punish them? Who's stopping McDermott run off screens and shoot?

Rose's penetration and kick outs to the shooters will be pretty hard to stop.

Anyways, you can talk up the big names on the Cavs, but the Bulls can exploit their weaknesses like no other.
:facepalm. wow lol good luck with that. i suggest watching more basketball till you actual make sense. rookies with no nba experience lol good stuff, shooter haha. enjoy the next 6 years of the cavs owning your bulls.

[poido123]

:facepalm. wow lol good luck with that. i suggest watching more basketball till you actual make sense. rookies with no nba experience lol good stuff, shooter haha. enjoy the next 6 years of the cavs owning your bulls.


Ok buddy, I'm pretty sure you have no affiliation with the cavs so whatever troll.

[DukeDelonte13]

The cavs should be better defensively.

Adding guys like Lebron and Marion, gaining more veteran leadership, etc.

@Poido, the bulls will more certainly be the better defensive team, but the cavs just have so many different weapons on offense. Andy isn't having another blood clot. Drew Gooden isn't going to break his wrist this year. He's going to have normal bumps and bruises and miss a few games here and there, but it's not like the guy has arthritic knees.

They got 4 guys that are really difficult to stop in Bran, Kyrie, Dion and Love.

Bulls are only going to be as good as Rose makes them. He can't be a dummy with the ball. If Rose moves the ball around better than he used to the Bulls will be very dangerous. If he tries to go 1 v. 5 for entire 4th quarters Cavs will destroy them in a playoff series. Either way, it's cool that the two top teams are going to be in the same division playing each other 4 times before the playoffs.

[oti]

If the Cavs fail to win a title in the next two year he is taking his talents to (insert team with the best chance to win a championship in that year)

[FLDFSU]

Ok buddy, I'm pretty sure you have no affiliation with the cavs so whatever troll.

Again, your dumb ass is telling everyone who is a Cavs' fan and who is not.

Two months ago, this idiot couldn't name a single Cavs player, now he is a Cavs expert (just like two months ago he was a Heat expert). :facepalm

[poido123]

Again, your dumb ass is telling everyone who is a Cavs' fan and who is not.

Two months ago, this idiot couldn't name a single Cavs player, now he is a Cavs expert (just like two months ago he was a Heat expert). :facepalm


Incredibly false and downright spreading propaganda here :lol

You're constantly following me with your butthurt ass after I called you out for having alts.

Stay salty :pimp:

[poido123]

The cavs should be better defensively.

Adding guys like Lebron and Marion, gaining more veteran leadership, etc.

@Poido, the bulls will more certainly be the better defensive team, but the cavs just have so many different weapons on offense. Andy isn't having another blood clot. Drew Gooden isn't going to break his wrist this year. He's going to have normal bumps and bruises and miss a few games here and there, but it's not like the guy has arthritic knees.

They got 4 guys that are really difficult to stop in Bran, Kyrie, Dion and Love.

Bulls are only going to be as good as Rose makes them. He can't be a dummy with the ball. If Rose moves the ball around better than he used to the Bulls will be very dangerous. If he tries to go 1 v. 5 for entire 4th quarters Cavs will destroy them in a playoff series. Either way, it's cool that the two top teams are going to be in the same division playing each other 4 times before the playoffs.


I'm glad that you don't take my opinion to heart, it's just what I think might happen and there are a lot of things that can happen between now and the finals...:cheers:

If only some of the idiots here could learn a thing or two about how you post towards me. If you are being a d.ick or a troll, I won't give you a sensible response.

Yes, rose is important in the fact that he can very well lose us a series if he tries to go hero ball in 4th quarters. I don't think he will, even just for the fact that he worked on a more controlled game in his time away from the game...

I can't agree on Andy, he has trouble getting through a season and it isn't just random events, he has niggling injuries that eventually lead to a shutdown as well.

While those guys are great names on paper, we have seen from the past that super teams don't always pan out. There might be chemistry issues, especially in the first season together...

[edrick]

Some of you :facepalm. The second and third best player haven't even played 1 playoff game yet. Winning a title is soo easy, I know.

[pegasus]

So people expect Lebron to make his 5th consecutive Finals and win it as well, after 4 deep Playoff runs?

The standards on ISH are pretty ridiculous when it comes to Lebron. Moving goalposts to undermine his contributions as a basketball player.

Well, Lebron is moving himself from one stacked roster to an even more stacked and younger roster, so yes, of course the expectations will be high. You don't get to stack the deck in a much weaker conference and say "Hey, this is our only first year!". If they don't win this year, it's a giant failure. I just hope the refs won't help him even more than usual because it makes a good "story" to win a title in Cleveland.

[ILLsmak]

Rebounding shouldn't be a problem. When Varejao is one of the better rebounders at this position. Love is pretty close to the best rebounding PF in the league. And LeBron is near the top of re bounders at SF usually getting around 7 a game.

They should be better than heat at reb, but the numbers are gonna be interesting. I wonder if bron will still try to defensive reb.

-Smak