The Official Islamaphobia Thread

[Cactus-Sack]

I thought it was time to give all the racists and Islamophobes a place where they can post all their fearful, hateful, unreasonable, non-sense in one place, so you don't have to clog up the first page with 5 threads that all amount to "Muslims are taking over the world, halp! Sharia law is coming to the US!"

[ThemBombs]

so i'm going to assume that you perused 9erempiree's thread asking Englishman what they thought about Muslim communities.

I posted in that thread that Islam and Sharia have no place in the modern developed world and I firmly stand by that. every religion has its extremist sect, but the Islamic one is far too large and out of control to be tolerable.

[Akrazotile]

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[Cactus-Sack]

so i'm going to assume that you perused 9erempiree's thread asking Englishman what they thought about Muslim communities.

I posted in that thread that Islam and Sharia have no place in the modern developed world and I firmly stand by that. every religion has its extremist sect, but the Islamic one is far too large and out of control to be tolerable.

You're right, lets kill em. Sharia comin to a town near you.

[Patrick Chewing]

:sleeping

[S13M]

Are you jihadist or martyr?

[DonDadda59]

"Muslims are taking over the world, halp! Sharia law is coming to the US!"

:lebronamazed:

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131011013951/lego/images/e/e6/PANIC.gif

[poido123]

You're right, lets kill em. Sharia comin to a town near you.


Or we can take your approach and wait until they come to your doorstep and demand you to conform to Islam or die?

[NumberSix]

"irrational"

http://www.conservativeinfidel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/isis-heads-in-syria-1.jpg

[Cactus-Sack]

Or we can take your approach and wait until they come to your doorstep and demand you to conform to Islam or die?

Yup, cus that's totally happening. Time to ban all Muslim immigration.

[Reef]

ISH - Where it's only okay to not hate on Israel.

[TheGreatBlaze]

I don't hate Muslims (well some), I hate Islam. There is a difference. Islam is a poison that must be eradicated, and the sooner the better. Sorry if it's offensive that I don't like the idea of living like a 7th century goat herder, or seeing thousands of "infidels" slaughtered daily. The more you study this religion and get at the heart of what it teaches the more its true colors start to show.

[Cactus-Sack]

"irrational"


White Christians kill people all the time, doesn't mean all white Christians are murderers.

[ThemBombs]

Yup, cus that's totally happening. Time to ban all Muslim immigration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ufgxvhVII

not in the West, but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjHb4C7b94

[Cactus-Sack]

I don't hate Muslims (well some), I hate Islam. There is a difference. Islam is a poison that must be eradicated, and the sooner the better. Sorry if it's offensive that I don't like the idea of living like a 7th century goat herder, or seeing thousands of "infidels" slaughtered daily. The more you study this religion and get at the heart of what it teaches the more its true colors start to show.

All religion is stupid. You should study some of the shit in the bible, very dumb.

[Cactus-Sack]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5ufgxvhVII

not in the West, but
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjHb4C7b94

That was a small, isolated incident, 5 years ago. Dumb post.

[NumberSix]

White Christians kill people all the time, doesn't mean all white Christians are murderers.
Marxist agenda exposed. It's always about race with you people.

[Inactive]

I don't hate Muslims (well some), I hate Islam. There is a difference. Islam is a poison that must be eradicated, and the sooner the better. Sorry if it's offensive that I don't like the idea of living like a 7th century goat herder, or seeing thousands of "infidels" slaughtered daily. The more you study this religion and get at the heart of what it teaches the more its true colors start to show.It teaches the same backwards nonsense you find in the other Abrahamic religions.

[DonDadda59]

Or we can take your approach and wait until they come to your doorstep and demand you to conform to Islam or die?

I wish a sand nigguh would.

http://www.lobshots.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Ready-4-Sandy.jpg

[ThemBombs]

That was a small, isolated incident, 5 years ago. Dumb post.
idiot, that's been occurring in the UK for years now and is continuing to do so as we speak.

also,
http://elitedaily.com/news/politics/isis-publishes-map-illustrating-five-year-plan-world-domination/650801/

[waseem780]

I don't hate Muslims (well some), I hate Islam. There is a difference. Islam is a poison that must be eradicated, and the sooner the better. Sorry if it's offensive that I don't like the idea of living like a 7th century goat herder, or seeing thousands of "infidels" slaughtered daily. The more you study this religion and get at the heart of what it teaches the more its true colors start to show.
You couldn't get this any more wrong. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[poido123]

Yup, cus that's totally happening. Time to ban all Muslim immigration.


It is written in their Quran?

Would it take a full scale takeover before you open your eyes? at what point do you show concern...

[Patrick Chewing]

White Christians kill people all the time, doesn't mean all white Christians are murderers.


Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.


People kill people all the time. However, these guys are using Islam as an excuse to do their killing. There is a difference, but you're too stupid to see that.

[TheGreatBlaze]

Tell me where I'm wrong. There are entire commentaries on the Quran that were written by Muslims directly after the life of Muhammad and tell you what it really means.. Who should I listen to, whitewashed Westernized Muslims and people bent on deception or those who directly followed the first Muslims and their companions? Somebody's f*cking wrong here, and the rest of the world shouldn't wait and see who it is.

[NumberSix]

What's the obsession with immigration? There's an entire world out there. Why do we need the entire world to flood into 5 or 6 countries?

[Graviton]

Whose alt is this ball$@ck? Averaging 36 posts a day with a full green bar yet not contributing anything outside of dumb one liners. Seems like a gmmick account.

[DonDadda59]

What's the obsession with immigration? There's an entire world out there. Why do we need the entire world to flood into 5 or 6 countries?

Cheap manual labor?

[waseem780]

Tell me where I'm wrong. There are entire commentaries on the Quran that were written by Muslims directly after the life of Muhammad and tell you what it really means.. Who should I listen to, whitewashed Westernized Muslims and people bent on deception or those who directly followed the first Muslims and their companions?
No there isn't , idk where you're getting your bullshit info from

[zoom17]

Whose alt is this ball$@ck? Averaging 36 posts a day with a full green bar yet not contributing anything outside of dumb one liners. Seems like a gmmick account.

:roll:

[TheGreatBlaze]

No there isn't , idk where you're getting your bullshit info from
The Quran, Sahih Al-Bukhari, Sahih Muslim, Sunan Abu-Dawud for example. I implore anyone who is genuinely interested in learning about what Islam really teaches to give these sources a read.

[Cactus-Sack]

Marxist agenda exposed. It's always about race with you people.

I'm a libertarian, retard.

[zoom17]

Not all muslims are violent Kurdish Muslims are pretty moderate and are ally's with the US.

[Cactus-Sack]

It is written in their Quran?

Would it take a full scale takeover before you open your eyes? at what point do you show concern...



If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, 28 then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. 29 You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters."(Leviticus 26:27-30)



I permit no woman to teach or have authority over men; she is to keep silent." Timothy 2:11


And so on...


Stop being racist, Muslims aren't taking over shit. I was in Lakemba a couple of months ago and everyone was friendly.

[NumberSix]

I'm a libertarian, retard.
Then why do you keep specifying WHITE christians? What does race/skin colour have to do with this?

[Cactus-Sack]

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.


People kill people all the time. However, these guys are using Islam as an excuse to do their killing. There is a difference, but you're too stupid to see that.

You're right, we should kill em all. I'll get Francis on the phone, see if we can't get a crusade going.

[TheGreatBlaze]

Not all muslims are violent Kurdish Muslims are pretty moderate and are ally's with the US.
Then they are in direct contradiction with what their religion actually teaches or they are practicing taqiyya. I know truth statements hurt in this pussified western world of ours but I think getting your head cut off probably hurts more.

[Graviton]

1- The infidels are your sworn enemies Sura 4:101
2- Make war on The infidels who dwell around you Sura 9:123
3- When you meet The Infidels in the battlefield, strike off their heads Sura 47:4
4- Mohamed is Alla's apostale. Those who follow him are ruthless to The infidels Sura 48:29
5- Prophet, make war on The infidels Sura 66: 9
6- Never be a helper to The disbelievers Sura 28:86
7- Kill The disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191)
8- 9:29 [And] fight against those (Al-La-Zina) who - despite having been vouchsafed revelation [aforetime] -do not [truly] believe either in God or the Last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and do not follow the religion of truth [which God has enjoined upon them] till they [agree to] pay the exemption tax with a willing hand, after having been humbled [in war].
9- 47:4 Therefore, when you meet The infidels (unbelievers), smite their necks until you overcome them fully, and then tighten their bonds; but thereafter [set them free,] either by an act of grace or against ransom, so that the burden of war may be lifted

[TheGreatBlaze]

And so on...


Stop being racist, Muslims aren't taking over shit. I was in Lakemba a couple of months ago and everyone was friendly.
You must not live in America since you assume every American or "islamaphobic" must be a Christian. Could not be further from the truth.

[Cactus-Sack]

Then why do you keep specifying WHITE christians? What does race/skin colour have to do with this?

I said it once, to illustrate a point. This thread is about racism, and ll the racists that inhabit ish. No one is scared of the Qur'an, it's a book, they're scared of Arab with beards and Kalashnikov's.

[zoom17]

Then they are in direct contradiction with what their religion actually teaches or they are practicing taqiyya. I know truth statements hurt in this pussified western world of ours but I think getting your head cut off probably hurts more.

Kurds are cool in my book they deserve there own country they help Christians and other minorities.

[NumberSix]

I said it once, to illustrate a point. This thread is about racism, and ll the racists that inhabit ish. No one is scared of the Qur'an, it's a book, they're scared of Arab with beards and Kalashnikov's.
I thought this thread was about Islam? Now it's suddenly about "whites vs arabs"


The only person here that is focused on race is you.

[Cactus-Sack]

You must not live in America since you assume every American or "islamaphobic" must be a Christian. Could not be further from the truth.

You must be dumb, because I never assumed anything of the kind, I simply demonstrated that Christianity is just as retarded as Islam.

[Patrick Chewing]

You're right, we should kill em all. I'll get Francis on the phone, see if we can't get a crusade going.


ISIS and all terrorist Islamists, yes. Kill them all.


Put a stop to massive amounts of immigration that kills an entire country's culture, yes. If you do not assimilate, then you do not belong. If the trend continues, then Europe will be predominantly Muslim. If a country is predominantly Muslim, then it will be under Islamic rule (Sharia Law). No more freedoms that you see today and take for granted. Women covered from head to toe in ugly disgusting hijabs and burqas. No alcohol. No sex. Fasting. All that nutjob crap.

[poido123]

And so on...


Stop being racist, Muslims aren't taking over shit. I was in Lakemba a couple of months ago and everyone was friendly.


Simple minded people like you are frustrating.

I don't want to regurgitate everything that I have already written before, but in short the peaceful and law abiding muslims are fine, until the shit hits the fan and these people will have no choice but to conform to this aggressive uprising.

Think outside the square, don't get stuck in such simplistic point of views.


These people are not waiting around for us to be nice to them. They are now using force upon western/chirstian nations to conform to Islam or be killed.

There is no grey area to discuss here, we are the enemy/infidel.

If you still have doubt, check out Graviton's post here;

1- The infidels are your sworn enemies Sura 4:101
2- Make war on The infidels who dwell around you Sura 9:123
3- When you meet The Infidels in the battlefield, strike off their heads Sura 47:4
4- Mohamed is Alla's apostale. Those who follow him are ruthless to The infidels Sura 48:29
5- Prophet, make war on The infidels Sura 66: 9
6- Never be a helper to The disbelievers Sura 28:86
7- Kill The disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191)
8- 9:29 [And] fight against those (Al-La-Zina) who - despite having been vouchsafed revelation [aforetime] -do not [truly] believe either in God or the Last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and do not follow the religion of truth [which God has enjoined upon them] till they [agree to] pay the exemption tax with a willing hand, after having been humbled [in war].
9- 47:4 Therefore, when you meet The infidels (unbelievers), smite their necks until you overcome them fully, and then tighten their bonds; but thereafter [set them free,] either by an act of grace or against ransom, so that the burden of war may be lifted

[Cactus-Sack]

1- The infidels are your sworn enemies Sura 4:101
2- Make war on The infidels who dwell around you Sura 9:123
3- When you meet The Infidels in the battlefield, strike off their heads Sura 47:4
4- Mohamed is Alla's apostale. Those who follow him are ruthless to The infidels Sura 48:29
5- Prophet, make war on The infidels Sura 66: 9
6- Never be a helper to The disbelievers Sura 28:86
7- Kill The disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191)
8- 9:29 [And] fight against those (Al-La-Zina) who - despite having been vouchsafed revelation [aforetime] -do not [truly] believe either in God or the Last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and do not follow the religion of truth [which God has enjoined upon them] till they [agree to] pay the exemption tax with a willing hand, after having been humbled [in war].
9- 47:4 Therefore, when you meet The infidels (unbelievers), smite their necks until you overcome them fully, and then tighten their bonds; but thereafter [set them free,] either by an act of grace or against ransom, so that the burden of war may be lifted



If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant, 3 and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, 4 and it is told you and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abomination has been done in Israel, 5 then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones

Better kill the Christo's too.

[Cactus-Sack]

I thought this thread was about Islam? Now it's suddenly about "whites vs arabs"


The only person here that is focused on race is you.

Re-read the op dummy.

[NumberSix]

Ann Coulter is right. "Libertarians" are the biggest fcuking pu$$ies of all.

[poido123]

Better kill the Christo's too.


I have a strange feeling you ARE Muslim. :confusedshrug:

graviton just pointed out the crux of their religious teachings, and yet you still cannot get past "the nice people in Lakemba"

[NumberSix]

Re-read the op dummy.
People are talking about muslims. You're the only person talking about race.

[pauk]

"irrational"

http://www.conservativeinfidel.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/isis-heads-in-syria-1.jpg

As "irrational" as Christians who did this is rational of thinking a situation/individual/group doing something = entire religion/country is like that to:

https://www.google.com/search?hl=sv&biw=1920&bih=969&site=imghp&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=bosnia+massacre&oq=bosnia+massacre&gs_l=img.3..0i19l3.93834.96992.0.97155.15.11.0.4.4 .0.81.659.11.11.0....0...1c.1.51.img..0.15.667.ibP sVjEpubg

Actually, that is more rational example than yours, considering its christians killing only muslims, more than 50, more than 100, more than 1000, more than 10000000000, where as in that pic you are showing a terrorist group ISIS with a collection of a few muslim heads, (please also learn more about ISIS, and what Islam thinks about them)

[Patrick Chewing]

You must be dumb, because I never assumed anything of the kind, I simply demonstrated that Christianity is just as retarded as Islam.


I see the Pope kissing the deformed and sick and little babies on TV all the time. When I turn to Islam, I see people getting their heads cut off.


Do you want to know what the Crusades were really about?? They were to quell Muslim incursion onto Christian lands because Christians were being conquered and slaughtered where they stood.


ISLAM IS A DEATH CULT

[Graviton]

Better kill the Christo's too.
Good thing Christianity has this that is supposed to come before everything else.

http://www.preschools4all.com/image-files/ten_commandments.jpg


No matter what is written, you can't cross the "thou shall not kill" line, hence why you don't see Christian boys being brainwashed to become suicide bombers and terrorists. Islam has more loop holes that justify killing than any other religion. And that's a fact.

[NumberSix]

I see the Pope kissing the deformed and sick and little babies on TV all the time. When I turn to Islam, I see people getting their heads cut off.


Do you want to know what the Crusades were really about?? They were to quell Muslim incursion onto Christian lands because Christians were being conquered and slaughtered where they stood.
God forbid Europeans have their own native lands to live in. Those countries are for everybody. Those lands are up for grabs.

[poido123]

Here's Graviton's post again. Let this be a lesson for those of you who want to sit on the fence...




1- The infidels are your sworn enemies Sura 4:101
2- Make war on The infidels who dwell around you Sura 9:123
3- When you meet The Infidels in the battlefield, strike off their heads Sura 47:4
4- Mohamed is Alla's apostale. Those who follow him are ruthless to The infidels Sura 48:29
5- Prophet, make war on The infidels Sura 66: 9
6- Never be a helper to The disbelievers Sura 28:86
7- Kill The disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191)
8- 9:29 [And] fight against those (Al-La-Zina) who - despite having been vouchsafed revelation [aforetime] -do not [truly] believe either in God or the Last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and do not follow the religion of truth [which God has enjoined upon them] till they [agree to] pay the exemption tax with a willing hand, after having been humbled [in war].
9- 47:4 Therefore, when you meet The infidels (unbelievers), smite their necks until you overcome them fully, and then tighten their bonds; but thereafter [set them free,] either by an act of grace or against ransom, so that the burden of war may be lifted

[DonDadda59]

People, people... can't we all just agree that all religion should be done away with? That way we can go back to fighting over only skin color, imaginary international borders, resources, etc.

It's 2014 for ****ssake.

[poido123]

People, people... can't we all just agree that all religion should be done away with? That way we can go back to fighting over only skin color, imaginary international borders, resources, etc.

It's 2014 for ****ssake.


Religion isn't the problem for those who can handle it.

The Quran makes a very clear stance on people who do not believe in Allah and that is quite a contrast to what Christians preach.

While Christians have been a little misguided in our history, the true teachings do encourage love and acceptance, not going around killing/eradicating others for not believing in their god.

[NumberSix]

People, people... can't we all just agree that all religion should be done away with? That way we can go back to fighting over only skin color, imaginary international borders, resources, etc.

It's 2014 for ****ssake.
No.

If the Republic of Ireland wants to be Catholic, why shouldn't they be able to live as they see fit in their own country? You don't like that, just don't go to Ireland.

But no. If 2,000 unwanted people from Pakistan show up, Ireland MUST stop being Catholic because 2,000 Pakistanis don't want the Irish to live as they please in their own country. Everything must come to a stop to accommodate a few foreigners.



People need to get this nonsense out of their head that we all have to be the same. NEWSFLASH!!! People are different. People from different places enjoy different culture and way of life. We don't need every country to be a carbon copy of each other.


When in Rome, do as the Romans. If you can't handle that, don't go to Rome.

[Inactive]

Good thing Christianity has this that is supposed to come before everything else.

http://www.preschools4all.com/image-files/ten_commandments.jpg


No matter what is written, you can't cross the "thou shall not kill" line, hence why you don't see Christian boys being brainwashed to become suicide bombers and terrorists. Islam has more loop holes that justify killing than any other religion. And that's a fact.You realize Moses had a bunch of apostates killed right after receiving the commandments, right?

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0232.htm#26

[NumberSix]

You realize Moses had a bunch of apostates killed right after receiving the commandments, right?

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0232.htm#26
You realize Moses never actually existed, right?

[Graviton]

You realize Moses had a bunch of apostates killed right after receiving the commandments, right?

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0232.htm#26
Gotta break some eggs if you wanna make an omelette.

[poido123]

You realize Moses had a bunch of apostates killed right after receiving the commandments, right?

http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0232.htm#26


Old Testament times.

Christians have progressed along with the times, the new testament reflects these changes..

[DonDadda59]

No.

If the Republic of Ireland wants to be Catholic, why shouldn't they be able to live as they see fit in their own country? You don't like that, just don't go to Ireland.

But no. If 2,000 unwanted people from Pakistan show up, Ireland MUST stop being Catholic because 2,000 Pakistanis don't want the Irish to live as they please in their own country. Everything must come to a stop to accommodate a few foreigners.



People need to get this nonsense out of their head that we all have to be the same. NEWSFLASH!!! People are different. People from different places enjoy different culture and way of life. We don't need every country to be a carbon copy of each other.


When in Rome, do as the Romans. If you can't handle that, don't go to Rome.

By the above 'logic', ISIS is justified in their actions... If you don't like it, GTFO Iraq. Sorry I mean the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.

But something tells me that's not going to be a popular sentiment in these parts.


Religion isn't the problem for those who can handle it.

The Quran makes a very clear stance on people who do not believe in Allah and that is quite a contrast to what Christians preach.

While Christians have been a little misguided in our history, the true teachings do encourage love and acceptance, not going around killing/eradicating others for not believing in their god.

Like Dude Love above pointed out, Christianity/the Old Testament has some pretty far out ideas regarding doling out death, the role of women in society, etc.

Sounds like the issue is guys like ISIS are true to the game, they carry out the letter of the law, while the vast majority of gentiles are just faking the funk- taking the parts of the bible they like, ignoring the parts that don't vibe with modern society. It's like true faith/belief vs selective reasoning. No wonder the latter is scared to death of the former. They realize they're dealing with some real nigguhs.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Few thoughts here

- Mob mentality/groupthink is fukking gross no matter where it is. Anyone remember Simon being slaughtered in LoTF?

- You guys are PARANOID as fukk if you think Graviton post is what they teach inside of Madrussas or serious Islamic schools. Bro I've been to Saudi twice, Holy fukking sheet. In no particular order they teach you a) to pray b) to perform ablutions c) avoid sin d) 5 pillars etc. Saudi Arabia and Indonesia, the strongest version of Islam and the most populated nation of Islam respectively have been American allies for a minute now as Ridonks said. Your mind has been forcefed images of certain revolutions and is finding all the evidence it can to deem a threat a threat Blaze.. BUT FFS that is not "What Islam is truly about." That's some Ratcliffe Pochanotos type sh!t right there. Stirring up a hornet's soon right there.
And what's with all this talk about being a 7th century goat herder? Goddamn for a moment I thought you were credible when you cited sources but then I realized you conveniently skipped over all the talk about inner Jihad, character, Ruh, Sakinah, and highlighted the fukk out of a few things that support your fear.


- If you want to lock down immigration by all means do it.. BUT U BETTER FUKKING RECOGNIZE that there are OTHER THREATS to the UK that are not being addressed. Internal bleeding from the inside out. Look at the State's policies on gender relations and how this negatively impacts families. Look at the State's lack of financial initiative on manufacturing. Look at the chav culture etc. etc.

What you see in the UK is a bunch of sexually frustrated low IQ dumbfukks looking to cause a ruccus that aren't being kept in check by the po-po. They have no proper sheikhs or mullahs to discipline them so their acting like a bunch of idiot highschoolers trynna stuff the "other guys" in lockers. Ugh.

And ISIS is a direct manifestation of thta fukking nitwit retard Malaki's incompetence. (among other things)

- Why are people bringing Xtians into this? They've been mad behaved as of late lol.

- I could understand potius being scared for his family's life and he seems like a decent enuff chap who's had his ruffles but these tomtucker, le shaqtus, greatblaze, patrick chewing characters. Who the fukk are they?

- Surprising how DD59 WHO IS ACTUALLY RELATED to a Muslim and is arguably the most knowledgeable of all of us combined put up a redneck pic. It's foretelling about the nature of these threads.

- The law abiding Muslims aren't gonna be siding with the crazy ones anytime soon. It is said that the greatest sin in Islam is not adultery or shirk but it is not standing up for what you believe in. And if the radicals believe in radicalism and the peace believe in peace then each will stick by their side. Calvin vs. Roger Williams. Wishywashiness is hated. You boutta see catfights in niqabs. Beards on beards. If wha tpoitus prophesizes is true. The inner hatred and mistrust Muslims have is as strong as they have for outsiders... just like gasp blacks and women. Remember.. The Leaders Mullahs Sheikhs and Ayatollahs have through their actions shown exactly how much concern they feel about their people. There's a social economical and political lens to it too.

- Lots of parallels with the planet of the apes. Many.


- I actually think it's quite hilarious that the Rothschilds (the people who control the world) have managed to simultaneously get everyone to hate White Christian Males in the country they frickin made and now everyone to shift gears into hating the only austere faith that refuses to adopt their multicultural feminism socialist agenda. Good job Jewboys. You've succeeded! Kudos! Now the world is truly your oyster. These slimy bastards rule the world now.


Should be interesting to see a world without faith. But I make one request. When the Brave New World has primarily Atheists running the show. Read into what Shaytan or Satan in islam and Christinaity represents with an objective lens. Understand the mindset behind it. And conquer him. Understand and embrace what is virtuoous in both faiths and why? Compare and contrast it with Nicomachean Ethics and other types. Impose higher standards of conduct and character on your people.

[DonDadda59]

Gotta break some eggs if you wanna make an omelette.

That's like the ISIS motto. Just replace 'break some eggs' with 'cut off some heads'. Same idea. Apostates to the law must die per Allah's/Yahweh's/Jehovah's wishes.

[KingBeasley08]

I'll repost what I've already said


I actually empathize with the Brits. If you're gonna immigrate to a country, you better assimilate or go back to where you came from. It's why I don't really got a problem with the Mexicans. Sure, we got more Spanish speakin nikkas but the culture they are introducing doesn't really threaten the one we have.

It's a different story in Europe. Turnin the place into a Middle East shithole. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate on Muslims but like I said to Jeff when I criticized the actions of Israel, I just keep it real and say it how I see it


Man, reading news and watching videos recently has been eye-opening. I didn't know there were so many radical islamists living in Europe. Most of the Muslims in the US are pretty chill so seein this does change my perspective on the situation. If Mexicans were immigrating to the US trying to live their culture even though it directly opposed the Constitution, I'd feel the same way.

Religion running society does not belong in a secular world anymore. Most Christian countries don't really give a fck about Christianity anymore (outside of one pretty big party in the US). That's why no one really cares about Radical Christians. For the most part, they don't have power. But Islam is full of radical terrorists spanning many different countries. That's the difference between the two religions. If the Muslims immigrating were secular, no one would give a fck. But trying to introduce radical sects and thoughts into a secular country.. fck outta here with that

[Inactive]

Old Testament times.

Christians have progressed along with the times, the new testament reflects these changes..Have Christians actually been more tolerant than Muslims from 7th century to today?

[Cactus-Sack]

I have a strange feeling you ARE Muslim. :confusedshrug:

graviton just pointed out the crux of their religious teachings, and yet you still cannot get past "the nice people in Lakemba"

I'm not. That's not "the crux" of Islam at all, it's a couple of verses, the bible has similar verses (Deuteronomy 17:2-5) that states you should kill non-Christians, yet I don't see you saying we should kick al the Christo's out.

[poido123]

Have Christians actually been more tolerant than Muslims from 7th century to today?


Yes.

[KingBeasley08]

Have Christians actually been more tolerant than Muslims from 7th century to today?
well most Christian today are half-assed Christians where they basically pick and choose what to follow. It's why I don't really have a problem with Islam itself having violence in it. The Bible does to. It's just that too many people take it literally and follow it

poido is somewhat right. Christianity hasn't progressed so much as philosophy and secularism has grown and replaced it. I hope it keeps moving to the point where one day, followers of organized religion are a minority. The problem is that Islam has too many followers TODAY that are still radically religious

[pauk]

I had no idea we had so many irrational, disrespectful, immature or simply just nazi/racist pricks on this basketball forum.... unlike your posts/threads have you seen any nazi/racist muslims in this thread or forum at all? Have you ever seen a muslim on ISH create a thread or make a single post about Christianity or any other religion in this bad fashion?
What, you think there is no muslim around here? Really?

Yet you sit there as basketball fans and idolize guys like Mohammed Ali, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Hakeem Olajuwon... and are huge fans of a sport which is dominated by people with African ancestry, people who were forced into slavery BY Christians, a race of people who very many of were muslims (http://islam.about.com/od/history/a/afammuslims.htm) who were forced into Christianity & even change their names, to something like.... Michael Jordan..... all this after your ancestors did something wonderful to the native americans aswell.....

So far only you are looking like the loonies....

[NumberSix]

By the above 'logic', ISIS is justified in their actions... If you don't like it, GTFO Iraq. Sorry I mean the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.

But something tells me that's not going to be a popular sentiment in these parts.
I'm not in Iraq, I'm not from Iraq and I'm not going to Iraq. Iraq is none of my business and none of my concern. If the Iraqi people want to live in an Islamic society, that's for them to decide.

It should be noted though, the majority of ISIS fighters are actually foreigners who are only there because they've adopted the ideology of Sunni Islam. It's a majority Shia country (about 65%). The native Iraqis (Shia, Christians and ethnic Kurds) are all fighting against the mostly foreign sunni ISIS fighters. It seems pretty obvious that the Iraqi people don't want ISIS.

[DonDadda59]

well most Christian today are half-assed Christians where they basically pick and choose what to follow. It's why I don't really have a problem with Islam itself having violence in it. The Bible does to. It's just that too many people take it literally and follow it

poido is somewhat right. Christianity hasn't progressed so much as philosophy and secularism has grown and replaced it. I hope it keeps moving to the point where one day, followers of organized religion are a minority. The problem is that Islam has too many followers TODAY that are still radically religious

:applause:

That's what it comes down to IMO. The modern Christian is nothing like the Christian of past generations who, like some Muslims today, followed the letter of the law of their religion. They'll protest here and there and quote Leviticus when they're gay bashing. But bring up the fact that particular book also says adulterers must be put to death (Leviticus 20:10), they'll look at you like you're an alien. They're not burning witches at the stake or launching State sponsored inquisitions these days.

It seems like as Christians become more half-assed practitioners of their religion, certain sects of Muslims are becoming more fundamental in theirs. It's not like the Crusade times where both sides were ready to die for theirs. Only one side has the fortitude to martyr themselves for their faith while the other goes to Church on Sundays as a formality, an insurance policy just in case.

[Patrick Chewing]

With all due respect Pauk, Christians are not beheading Muslims or other people of other religions and tribes at the moment.

And please don't tell me it's just the lunatic fringe element of the faith, cause there are several threads on here already providing evidence to the contrary of a "peaceful" religion as was started by Mohammed himself.

If Muslims are to model themselves after the false prophet Mohammed, then they certainly picked one deranged, murderous prick.

The first beheadings in Islam as sanctioned by Mohammed himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Banu_Qurayza



That was 1400 years ago, and Islam is still beheading today. Let me know when there are rumors of another Spanish Inquisition.

[poido123]

I'm not. That's not "the crux" of Islam at all, it's a couple of verses, the bible has similar verses (Deuteronomy 17:2-5) that states you should kill non-Christians, yet I don't see you saying we should kick al the Christo's out.




Here's the full 2-5 verse you are referring to:

2 "Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant 3 by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. 4 When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death.


Can anyone explain why Cactus-Sack is wrong here?

I was shocked to find that in the bible...

[masonanddixon]

I genuinely don't like being around Muslims. Point blank. I don't give a shit if you wear your native garb in your own homeland, you're now in the first world and under Judeo-Christian values, either accept it or get the hell out. I hate the mentality of immigrants who come to the US/Australia/Canada and expect the country to cater to them instead of assimilating to the country. They receive all the benefits and drain the country's resources.

I feel like very soon, within the next 10 years, there is going to be serious backlash in the first world against forced multiculturalism and bleeding heart liberalism. In the form of major civil wars.

[NumberSix]

With all due respect Pauk, Christians are not beheading Muslims or other people of other religions and tribes at the moment.

And please don't tell me it's just the lunatic fringe element of the faith, cause there are several threads on here already providing evidence to the contrary of a "peaceful" religion as was started by Mohammed himself.

If Muslims are to model themselves after the false prophet Mohammed, then they certainly picked one deranged, murderous prick.

The first beheadings in Islam as sanctioned by Mohammed himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Banu_Qurayza



That was 1400 years ago, and Islam is still beheading today. Let me know when there are rumors of another Spanish Inquisition.
The problem is that Islam is not a religion. It's religion infused with political ideology. We all get how bad in is when extreme christians try to impose their religion on our politics. Islam doesn't DO that. Islam IS that. Unfortunately for the religious side of Islam, it's infused with really bad politics. Unlike normal politics that can be negotiated and change, because it's infused with religion it is not subject to tweaking.

Think of it like this. You like Christianity? Ok, that's fine. You like Nazism? probably not. Imagine if the politics of Nazism were a fundamental permanent part of Christianity. Well, Christianity would be a lost cause. There's no redeeming it. Fortunately, there isn't politics interwoven with religion in Christianity.

You just have to accept it. Islam is not a tolerable ideology. If it wasn't a mesh of religion and politics, and was just religion, it would be salvageable, but that's not the case. You might like the religious aspects of islam, but it has really bad politics mashed up with religion that is just not tolerable.

[poido123]

I genuinely don't like being around Muslims. Point blank. I don't give a shit if you wear your native garb in your own homeland, you're now in the first world and under Judeo-Christian values, either accept it or get the hell out. I hate the mentality of immigrants who come to the US/Australia/Canada and expect the country to cater to them instead of assimilating to the country. They receive all the benefits and drain the country's resources.

I feel like very soon, within the next 10 years, there is going to be serious backlash in the first world against forced multiculturalism and bleeding heart liberalism. In the form of major civil wars.


Beginnings of civil unrest has already happened here in Australia and I've heard in Britain.

As they breed and balance up the numbers of Muslims in Australia, we will start to see laws changed in their favour and once that happens, there won't be a lot you can do about it.

They will demand Sharia Law and that is the complete opposite to the way we enjoy our lives.

[masonanddixon]

Beginnings of civil unrest has already happened here in Australia and I've heard in Britain.

As they breed and balance up the numbers of Muslims in Australia, we will start to see laws changed in their favour and once that happens, there won't be a lot you can do about it.

They will demand Sharia Law and that is the complete opposite to the way we enjoy our lives.

Where in Australia are you, man? Sydney?

I am in Queensland so I don't have to worry much about them. But yes, they basically come here and enjoy all the civil liberties of Western civilization while making demands of their own, and the retard liberal multiculturalists bend backwards for them while they plot the destruction of the country.

[Patrick Chewing]

Beginnings of civil unrest has already happened here in Australia and I've heard in Britain.

As they breed and balance up the numbers of Muslims in Australia, we will start to see laws changed in their favour and once that happens, there won't be a lot you can do about it.

They will demand Sharia Law and that is the complete opposite to the way we enjoy our lives.


The key here is the right of the citizens to bare arms to defend themselves. Never have these rights been in more danger than right now.

If our governments cannot quell the unrest, then it is up to the people to defend their way of life.

[IcanzIIravor]

Beginnings of civil unrest has already happened here in Australia and I've heard in Britain.

As they breed and balance up the numbers of Muslims in Australia, we will start to see laws changed in their favour and once that happens, there won't be a lot you can do about it.

They will demand Sharia Law and that is the complete opposite to the way we enjoy our lives.

I suggest you start impregnating a lot of chicks. If you are that fearful then the best way to balance that out is to increase the number of non Muslim's in a way that far out paces their growth rate. I spent a number of years in Iraq, Kuwait and Dubai and I can tell you the majority of them are just like any person around the world. The big problem is the crazies get all the coverage in the west. No one is interested in promoting the Muslim's who live normal lives or preach against violence.

[masonanddixon]

I suggest you start impregnating a lot of chicks. If you are that fearful then the best way to balance that out is to increase the number of non Muslim's in a way that far out paces their growth rate. I spent a number of years in Iraq, Kuwait and Dubai and I can tell you the majority of them are just like any person around the world. The big problem is the crazies get all the coverage in the west. No one is interested in promoting the Muslim's who live normal lives or preach against violence.

But yet there's various other religions/ways of life like Judaism and Buddhism and no one has any problem with them.

The bottom line is any measures at population increases are idiotic. Any measurements at population increases with groups that are inherently at variance with one another is beyond idiotic.

[poido123]

Where in Australia are you, man? Sydney?

I am in Queensland so I don't have to worry much about them. But yes, they basically come here and enjoy all the civil liberties of Western civilization while making demands of their own, and the retard liberal multiculturalists bend backwards for them while they plot the destruction of the country.


The best thing you can do is to educate other australians to be aware of what's happening and to vote against muslim immigration.

Another thing is to be prepared. Don't wait for this to happen, go get yourself a gun licence/gun and be ready for a takeover. It may not happen, but I'd rather be able to protect my family, in the event that sharia law is declared and these radicals get their way in our country.

Forget the Cronulla riots and taking physical action in the streets, that shit is lead by unknowledgable drunk racists who don't know what they are fighting against.

This has to be done politically and people around you need to know that in 20 years, Australia will be outbred by Muslims at the current birthrate.

It isn't about the peaceful Muslims, those Muslims will fall into line once the shit hits the fan. Do you think they will support the radicals? Or the American lead allied force? :confusedshrug:


I'm in Queensland. I came up here from near Sydney, but I know Sydney well. It is one of the breeding grounds for radicals IMO

[MavsSuperFan]

I suggest you start impregnating a lot of chicks. If you are that fearful then the best way to balance that out is to increase the number of non Muslim's in a way that far out paces their growth rate. I spent a number of years in Iraq, Kuwait and Dubai and I can tell you the majority of them are just like any person around the world. The big problem is the crazies get all the coverage in the west. No one is interested in promoting the Muslim's who live normal lives or preach against violence.
part of its overcompensation for living in the west. Eg. the feel bad for liking some western things, eg. scantily clad women and over compensate.

[poido123]

I suggest you start impregnating a lot of chicks. If you are that fearful then the best way to balance that out is to increase the number of non Muslim's in a way that far out paces their growth rate. I spent a number of years in Iraq, Kuwait and Dubai and I can tell you the majority of them are just like any person around the world. The big problem is the crazies get all the coverage in the west. No one is interested in promoting the Muslim's who live normal lives or preach against violence.


Unfortunately, the good people among them will be wrapped up in the evil lead army...

Like I've said, they will fall into line once the shit hits the fan.

One of the teachings in Quran is calculated deception to protect the faith.

Some of these so called "innocent people" or "fence sitters" are also funding ISIS and staying silent to these appalling acts when they have to speak out and condemn it.

Saudi oil funds a lot of the ISIS movement. Supposedly "fence sitters"

[masonanddixon]

The best thing you can do is to educate other australians to be aware of what's happening and to vote against muslim immigration.

Another thing is to be prepared. Don't wait for this to happen, go get yourself a gun licence/gun and be ready for a takeover. It may not happen, but I'd rather be able to protect my family, in the event that sharia law is declared and these radicals get their way in our country.

Forget the Cronulla riots and taking physical action in the streets, that shit is lead by unknowledgable drunk racists who don't know what they are fighting against.

This has to be done politically and people around you need to know that in 20 years, Australia will be outbred by Muslims at the current birthrate.

It isn't about the peaceful Muslims, those Muslims will fall into line once the shit hits the fan. Do you think they will support the radicals? Or the American lead allied force? :confused shrug:


I'm in Queensland. I came up here from near Sydney, but I know Sydney well. It is one of the breeding grounds for radicals IMO

The problem is most people in Queensland don't even know what a Muslim is and most people in their 20s-30s have been brainwashed into liberalism.

I don't even know if Muslims are a greater threat than are refugees coming in the boatloads. And it's all compounded by the mining industry rapidly destroying the country and the current Reagonomic policy being used by Abbott and Newmann. Australia is a country on a very sharp decline.

[NumberSix]

The problem is most people in Queensland don't even know what a Muslim is and most people in their 20s-30s have been brainwashed into liberalism.

I don't even know if Muslims are a greater threat than are refugees coming in the boatloads. And it's all compounded by the mining industry rapidly destroying the country and the current Reagonomic policy being used by Abbott and Newmann. Australia is a country on a very sharp decline.
You should call them leftists. They're not actually about liberty.

[Inactive]

Have Christians actually been more tolerant than Muslims from 7th century to today?


Yes.What do you base this opinion on?

When the Arabs conquered Byzantine Jerusalem:

"In 638 CE the Islamic Caliphate extended its dominion to Jerusalem.[118] With the Arab conquest, Jews were allowed back into the city.[119] The Rashidun caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab signed a treaty with Monophysite Christian Patriarch Sophronius, assuring him that Jerusalem's Christian holy places and population would be protected under Muslim rule.[120] Christian-Arab tradition records that, when led to pray at the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the holiest site for Christians, the caliph Umar refused to pray in the church so that Muslims would not request conversion of the church to a mosque.[121] He prayed outside the church, where the Mosque of Umar (Omar) stands to this day, opposite the entrance to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre."

When the Christians reconquered Jerusalem:

"Jews had fought side-by-side with Muslim soldiers to defend the city, and as the Crusaders breached the outer walls, the Jews of the city retreated to their synagogue to "prepare for death".[21] According to the Muslim chronicle of Ibn al-Qalanisi, "The Jews assembled in their synagogue, and the Franks burned it over their heads."[22]"

Meanwhile, in Germany:

"At a local level, the preaching of the First Crusade ignited violence against Jews, which some historians have deemed "the first Holocaust".[59] At the end of 1095 and beginning of 1096, months before the departure of the official crusade in August, there were attacks on Jewish communities in France and Germany. In May 1096, Emicho of Flonheim (sometimes incorrectly known as Emicho of Leiningen) attacked the Jews at Speyer and Worms. Other unofficial crusaders from Swabia, led by Hartmann of Dillingen, along with French, English, Lotharingian and Flemish volunteers, led by Drogo of Nesle and William the Carpenter, as well as many locals, joined Emicho in the destruction of the Jewish community of Mainz at the end of May.[60] In Mainz, one Jewish woman killed her children rather than see them killed; the chief rabbi, Kalonymus Ben Meshullam, committed suicide in anticipation of being killed.[61]"

What happened to the thriving Jewish communities of Moorish Spain after the Reconquista?

Ask Pauk how tolerant Christians have been in the former Yugoslavia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

A former Serb soldier of the "Red Berets" unit described the tactics used to starve and kill the besieged population of Srebrenica:

"It was almost like a game, a cat-and-mouse hunt. But of course we greatly outnumbered the Muslims, so in almost all cases, we were the hunters and they were the prey. We needed them to surrender, but how do you get someone to surrender in a war like this? You starve them to death. So very quickly we realized that it wasn't really weapons being smuggled into Srebrenica that we should worry about, but food. They were truly starving in there, so they would send people out to steal cattle or gather crops, and our job was to find and kill them... No prisoners. Well, yes, if we thought they had useful information, we might keep them alive until we got it out of them, but in the end, no prisoners. The local people became quite indignant, so sometimes we would keep someone alive to hand over to them [to kill] just to keep them happy."[20]

When Australian journalist Tony Birtley visited the besieged Srebrenica in March 1993. He took footage of Bosniak civilians starving to death.[38]

"Many women and girls suffered rape and sexual abuse and other forms of torture. According to the testimony of Zumra

[masonanddixon]

You should call them leftists. They're not actually about liberty.

Yeah I am not sure what to call them but it's a mental illness at this stage.

The problem with Australia is people have lived so well for so long, receive benefits/handouts/entitlements that no one else in the world gets and now the country is currently being fleeced by multiculturalism, corporatism, and outright government fraud.

[tomtucker]

if the ugly bastards just stayed in their own shithole countries, then there would not be so much hate............but no, they have a mission to infest as many countries as possible..........

[poido123]

The problem is most people in Queensland don't even know what a Muslim is and most people in their 20s-30s have been brainwashed into liberalism.

I don't even know if Muslims are a greater threat than are refugees coming in the boatloads. And it's all compounded by the mining industry rapidly destroying the country and the current Reagonomic policy being used by Abbott and Newmann. Australia is a country on a very sharp decline.


As apathetic as that sounds, I have to agree with you.

This so called "lucky country" and the "best place in the world" will go to shit because we are too stupid to make our own decisions and we are ruled by anyone who is willing to push their weight around...

While the refugee crisis is a big issue in itself, I see this big picture problem as a far larger threat to us right now and that is saying something...:confusedshrug:

You're right. A lot of the under 30's in Australia would have no clue what a Muslim is other than they are a "rag head" and nut jobs and what is told in the media...

The same ignorance to ignore Muslim cultures in Australia and let them clump together and do their thing, is the same ignorance to not understand who they are and what they represent as a threat.

[IcanzIIravor]

But yet there's various other religions/ways of life like Judaism and Buddhism and no one has any problem with them.

The bottom line is any measures at population increases are idiotic. Any measurements at population increases with groups that are inherently at variance with one another is beyond idiotic.

Christianity had a long history of violence and blood shed in the name of God, until moderate influences finally became the majority. You have the Crusades and Inquisition as two examples of that. Christianity didn't spring up as it is today. It took more than a thousand years for it to evolve into what it is today and that is mostly because it is now dozens of variations on the original dominant form of it. Islam certainly has a long way to go if it ever will evolve the way Christianity and the other world religions have evolved.

[poido123]

Christianity had a long history of violence and blood shed in the name of God, until moderate influences finally became the majority. You have the Crusades and Inquisition as two examples of that. Christianity didn't spring up as it is today. It took more than a thousand years for it to evolve into what it is today and that is mostly because it is now dozens of variations on the original dominant form of it. Islam certainly has a long way to go if it ever will evolve the way Christianity and the other world religions have evolved.


Can you clarify if you are Muslim please?

[IcanzIIravor]

Unfortunately, the good people among them will be wrapped up in the evil lead army...

Like I've said, they will fall into line once the shit hits the fan.

One of the teachings in Quran is calculated deception to protect the faith.

Some of these so called "innocent people" or "fence sitters" are also funding ISIS and staying silent to these appalling acts when they have to speak out and condemn it.

Saudi oil funds a lot of the ISIS movement. Supposedly "fence sitters"

Fall in line from fear? They wouldn't be the only people who go silent when thugs and criminals take over. The world of today is filled with that, whether in North Korea, Iraq, Zimbabwe or elsewhere. Good people often fill powerless to do something.

In a minority of minority that are actively supporting the various terror groups. If I recall correctly the biggest source of funding is illegal drugs and money schemes. Doesn't hurt that ISIS looted a few Iraqi banks of about 450 million dollars. Saudi Arabia is the biggest fly in the ointment I would agree as far as support of Sunni terror factions. That government definitely knowingly overlooks the wealthy who are supporting these groups and get away with it because of their oil.

[masonanddixon]

Christianity had a long history of violence and blood shed in the name of God, until moderate influences finally became the majority. You have the Crusades and Inquisition as two examples of that. Christianity didn't spring up as it is today. It took more than a thousand years for it to evolve into what it is today and that is mostly because it is now dozens of variations on the original dominant form of it. Islam certainly has a long way to go if it ever will evolve the way Christianity and the other world religions have evolved.

Yeah I do not disagree at all.

Like I said above, I think the mining industry and unrestrained overdevelopment and overpopulation are the greatest threat the Australia. But I also just don't like being around Muslims. I don't like people in general, and I dislike Muslims even more than most people.

[IcanzIIravor]

Can you clarify if you are Muslim please?

I'm not. I'm an atheist.

[IcanzIIravor]

Yeah I do not disagree at all.

Like I said above, I think the mining industry and unrestrained overdevelopment and overpopulation are the greatest threat the Australia. But I also just don't like being around Muslims. I don't like people in general, and I dislike Muslims even more than most people.

I can understand that. I know a number of Muslim's and people of other religions from all over the world thanks to my travels. I am not a fan of religion in general, but I can tolerate it if it isn't thrown in my face. I tend to not like that type regardless of religion so if a Muslim was overtly in my face about it I would not give them the time of day. The same I do to my friends and family whenever I go home to the deep south to visit family. They too feel a call by God to convert. It's just fortunate Christianity in this day and age is mostly decadent. I hope Islam takes the same path, but I realize it won't be in my lifetime.

[9erempiree]

I can understand that. I know a number of Muslim's and people of other religions from all over the world thanks to my travels. I am not a fan of religion in general, but I can tolerate it if it isn't thrown in my face. I tend to not like that type regardless of religion so if a Muslim was overtly in my face about it I would not give them the time of day. The same I do to my friends and family whenever I go home to the deep south to visit family. They too feel a call by God to convert. It's just fortunate Christianity in this day and age is mostly decadent. I hope Islam takes the same path, but I realize it won't be in my lifetime.

I am as open minded as any individual you'll ever meet but Islam is something that I try to understand and cannot. The scriptures are full of violence and if you translate it to modern day times, it equates to people doing extreme things.

It is a violent storybook.

[Inactive]

I am as open minded as any individual you'll ever meet but Islam is something that I try to understand and cannot. The scriptures are full of violence and if you translate it to modern day times, it equates to people doing extreme things.

It is a violent storybook.What violent acts do you find in the Quran, which you don't also find in the Bible?

[BigBoss]

OP is Pakistani and his country housed Osama Bin laden

[9erempiree]

What violent acts do you find in the Quran, which you don't also find in the Bible?

If were to break down the influence of the two. The Quran has caused more violence than the Bible.

The influence from the Quran far outweighs anything from the Bible.

[poido123]

I'm not. I'm an atheist.


Ok. I have no intention on getting into a religious debate, but I will tell you that this has gone beyond just a warped religious movement.

Their is a deceptive message in this movement that can be supported by ALL muslims and this deception will lead to ISIS being able to carry out their master plans and establish a caliphate.

While many peaceful Muslims will ignore the radical views now, at some point as the movement grows with momentum and they have actually gained significant power in the world, watch them all band together and laugh at our stupidity once they have achieved what they aim to do...

[tpols]

Beginnings of civil unrest has already happened here in Australia and I've heard in Britain.

As they breed and balance up the numbers of Muslims in Australia, we will start to see laws changed in their favour and once that happens, there won't be a lot you can do about it.

They will demand Sharia Law and that is the complete opposite to the way we enjoy our lives.

If any extremist parties ever even come close to gaining enough leverage to enforce sharia law in first world places like UK, Aus, US they will be labeled terrorists and put down quick man

[poido123]

What violent acts do you find in the Quran, which you don't also find in the Bible?


what is your religious belief?

[Inactive]

what is your religious belief?I don't have any.

[BigBoss]

I don't have any.

What DO you believe in then.

[Inactive]

If were to break down the influence of the two. The Quran has caused more violence than the Bible.

The influence from the Quran far outweighs anything from the Bible.What do you base this opinion on?

[poido123]

If any extremist parties ever even come close to gaining enough leverage to enforce sharia law in first world places like UK, Aus, US they will be labeled terrorists and put down quick man


Why are you so confident man?

In the UK, they account for about 5% of the population, yet they have laws in favour of protecting their beliefs. Can you imagine what would happen if the population was closer to half Muslim?

[IcanzIIravor]

I am as open minded as any individual you'll ever meet but Islam is something that I try to understand and cannot. The scriptures are full of violence and if you translate it to modern day times, it equates to people doing extreme things.

It is a violent storybook.

I have read the Bible and the Qur'an. They are both filled with violence, the believers pick and choose which aspects to follow and which to ignore and both are radical off shoots of Judaism, which traces its history back to Zoroastrianism and other ancient religions. There are a lot of aspects of Islam I vehemently disagree with. I just disagree with demonizing every single Muslim. I had my own preconceived notions regarding Islam prior to my time in the Air Force, living in the Middle East and traveling, but I have met the same variation in passion of Muslim's as in other religions outside of the combat zone. It's just very easy to paint them all due to what the crazies have been doing since the Iranian revolution (The modern phase of Islamic terrorism; or you could pick Munich as the beginning).

[IcanzIIravor]

If were to break down the influence of the two. The Quran has caused more violence than the Bible.

The influence from the Quran far outweighs anything from the Bible.

Are you sure about that? Have a link? Christianity had some savage centuries. I would bet the Bible has led to more overall deaths. It was a lot easier to do mass killings in the 10's of thousands back then while killing a few hundred or thousand people leads to violent reprisal like the US bombing ISIS locations.

[Inactive]

I have read the Bible and the Qur'an. They are both filled with violence, the believers pick and choose which aspects to follow and which to ignore and both are radical off shoots of Judaism, which traces its history back to Zoroastrianism and other ancient religions. There are a lot of aspects of Islam I vehemently disagree with. I just disagree with demonizing every single Muslim. I had my own preconceived notions regarding Islam prior to my time in the Air Force, living in the Middle East and traveling, but I have met the same variation in passion of Muslim's as in other religions outside of the combat zone. It's just very easy to paint them all due to what the crazies have been doing since the Iranian revolution (The modern phase of Islamic terrorism; or you could pick Munich as the beginning).Munich wasn't Islamic terrorism, just ordinary political/nationalistic terrorism. They had Christian members as well. In fact: "Black September called the operation "Iqrit and Biram",[9] after two Palestinian Christian villages whose inhabitants were expelled by the Haganah(Jewish paramilitary group) in 1948."

[BigBoss]

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121024162458/uncyclopedia/images/8/88/Saddam-Hussein.jpg

[poido123]

Munich wasn't Islamic terrorism. They had Christian members as well. In fact: "Black September called the operation "Iqrit and Biram",[9] after two Palestinian Christian villages whose inhabitants were expelled by the Haganah in 1948."


I'll ask you again, are you Muslim?

It will help me under your "deception" if that is the case...

[Inactive]

I'll ask you again, are you Muslim?

It will help me under your "deception" if that is the case...I'll respond again. No. I'm an atheist. I was raised catholic.

[IcanzIIravor]

Ok. I have no intention on getting into a religious debate, but I will tell you that this has gone beyond just a warped religious movement.

Their is a deceptive message in this movement that can be supported by ALL muslims and this deception will lead to ISIS being able to carry out their master plans and establish a caliphate.

While many peaceful Muslims will ignore the radical views now, at some point as the movement grows with momentum and they have actually gained significant power in the world, watch them all band together and laugh at our stupidity once they have achieved what they aim to do...

ISIS won't carry out any Caliphate and you can feel free to quote me on this a year or 10 years down the line. ISIS is just a symptom of a deep problem affecting Sunni Muslim's in that region of the world and in small pockets elsewhere. When the Iraqi's mullah's get tired they will gather their people and boot them the same way they did AQ in Iraq.

[BigBoss]

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[IcanzIIravor]

If any extremist parties ever even come close to gaining enough leverage to enforce sharia law in first world places like UK, Aus, US they will be labeled terrorists and put down quick man

I disagree. Most likely it will be gradual changes made as all politicians know the people are very apathetic with keeping up with the day to day workings of government. It will seem like it happened over night, but most likely if that day came it would be due to a majority of the nation willingly sweeping them into power.

[IcanzIIravor]

I'll ask you again, are you Muslim?

It will help me under your "deception" if that is the case...

What religion are you? I think on a thread discussing Islam it should be okay for Muslim's to defend their religion. Same as the Christian bashing or Jewish bashing threads. It is goofy if it is only us non Muslim's tossing around our thoughts. One thing I have learned is that every religion picks and chooses which aspects of the religion to enthusiastically follow.

[BigBoss]

None of you guys know what you're talking about by the way. Much to learn still.

[Cactus-Sack]

Here's the full 2-5 verse you are referring to:

2 "Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant 3 by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. 4 When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death.


Can anyone explain why Cactus-Sack is wrong here?

I was shocked to find that in the bible...

Religion is dumb. You can find shit like that in all the Abrahamic religious texts.

[poido123]

None of you guys know what you're talking about by the way. Much to learn still.


Enlighten us to your bottomless wealth of knowledge?

[poido123]

What religion are you? I think on a thread discussing Islam it should be okay for Muslim's to defend their religion. Same as the Christian bashing or Jewish bashing threads. It is goofy if it is only us non Muslim's tossing around our thoughts. One thing I have learned is that every religion picks and chooses which aspects of the religion to enthusiastically follow.


Don't get me wrong. I'm not asking to exclude Muslims from conversation, just that it gives me an idea of the origin of their thoughts.

I am Christian, but hardly a religious nut who will throw it down your throat. If you ask me something, I'll do my best to answer it.

[poido123]

I wonder how many people have actually read the Bible, Quran or whatever sacred text they believe in. Ive probably asked atleast 100 people and a lot of them say they have barely read any of it...


Who did you piss off? :lol

You had 3 green bars yesterday...

[S13M]

Europe is for Europeans. It's not for goat f*ckers who live in the past in the shit hole known as middle east. If they can't make things work in their own country what hope they have in the Western world?

Vote against multiculturalism is a vote for brighter future.

[Trollsmasher]

I had no idea we had so many irrational, disrespectful, immature or simply just nazi/racist pricks on this basketball forum.... unlike your posts/threads have you seen any nazi/racist muslims in this thread or forum at all? Have you ever seen a muslim on ISH create a thread or make a single post about Christianity or any other religion in this bad fashion?
What, you think there is no muslim around here? Really?

Yet you sit there as basketball fans and idolize guys like Mohammed Ali, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Hakeem Olajuwon... and are huge fans of a sport which is dominated by people with African ancestry, people who were forced into slavery BY Christians, a race of people who very many of were muslims (http://islam.about.com/od/history/a/afammuslims.htm) who were forced into Christianity & even change their names, to something like.... Michael Jordan..... all this after your ancestors did something wonderful to the native americans aswell.....

So far only you are looking like the loonies....
Do I really need to tell you who was running the slave trade roads in Africa?:biggums:

[BGriffin's Dad]

does russia have many muslims?

[Inactive]

does russia have many muslims?Yes. 6-7% of the population.

[Trollsmasher]

does russia have many muslims?
Quite a lot. I think it's close to 10% actually.

Also can we rename this thread? There is nothing irrational about the dislike of islam.

[Cactus-Sack]

Quite a lot. I think it's close to 10% actually.

Also can we rename this thread? There is nothing irrational about the dislike of islam.

No, there isn't, however the beliefs of most posters are irrational and Islamophobic. Just look at poido123's posts.

[Riley Martin]

I'll admit I don't know much about religion in general. But it's always seemed to me that, while most religions will try to convert non-believers, Islam isn't interested in converting them. They're more interested in extirpating or killing the non-believers.

Is that the case, or am I off base? Are there Islamic missionaries like there are, say, Mormon or Christian missionaries?

[poido123]

No, there isn't, however the beliefs of most posters are irrational and Islamophobic. Just look at poido123's posts.


What the fck does that even mean?

Don't sit there and say people who oppose Islam are just being irrational.

It's you who is deflecting anything remotely negative towards Islam, all because you had a "positive experience" in Lakemba :oldlol:

[livinglegend]

What the fck does that even mean?

Don't sit there and say people who oppose Islam are just being irrational.

It's you who is deflecting anything remotely negative towards Islam, all because you had a "positive experience" in Lakemba :oldlol:

Have you read the Quran?

[poido123]

Have you read the Quran?


This is all i need to know:

1- The infidels are your sworn enemies Sura 4:101
2- Make war on The infidels who dwell around you Sura 9:123
3- When you meet The Infidels in the battlefield, strike off their heads Sura 47:4
4- Mohamed is Alla's apostale. Those who follow him are ruthless to The infidels Sura 48:29
5- Prophet, make war on The infidels Sura 66: 9
6- Never be a helper to The disbelievers Sura 28:86
7- Kill The disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191)
8- 9:29 [And] fight against those (Al-La-Zina) who - despite having been vouchsafed revelation [aforetime] -do not [truly] believe either in God or the Last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and do not follow the religion of truth [which God has enjoined upon them] till they [agree to] pay the exemption tax with a willing hand, after having been humbled [in war].
9- 47:4 Therefore, when you meet The infidels (unbelievers), smite their necks until you overcome them fully, and then tighten their bonds; but thereafter [set them free,] either by an act of grace or against ransom, so that the burden of war may be lifted

[Inactive]

I'll admit I don't know much about religion in general. But it's always seemed to me that, while most religions will try to convert non-believers, Islam isn't interested in converting them. They're more interested in extirpating or killing the non-believers.

Is that the case, or am I off base? Are there Islamic missionaries like there are, say, Mormon or Christian missionaries?You're way off. Yes, they have missionaries, and evangelists. How do you think Islam spread?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_missionary_activity
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[Cactus-Sack]

What the fck does that even mean?

Don't sit there and say people who oppose Islam are just being irrational.

It's you who is deflecting anything remotely negative towards Islam, all because you had a "positive experience" in Lakemba :oldlol:

Not at all. You seem to take one sentence and misconstrue it all the time.

[livinglegend]

This is all i need to know:

1- The infidels are your sworn enemies Sura 4:101
2- Make war on The infidels who dwell around you Sura 9:123
3- When you meet The Infidels in the battlefield, strike off their heads Sura 47:4
4- Mohamed is Alla's apostale. Those who follow him are ruthless to The infidels Sura 48:29
5- Prophet, make war on The infidels Sura 66: 9
6- Never be a helper to The disbelievers Sura 28:86
7- Kill The disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191)
8- 9:29 [And] fight against those (Al-La-Zina) who - despite having been vouchsafed revelation [aforetime] -do not [truly] believe either in God or the Last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and do not follow the religion of truth [which God has enjoined upon them] till they [agree to] pay the exemption tax with a willing hand, after having been humbled [in war].
9- 47:4 Therefore, when you meet The infidels (unbelievers), smite their necks until you overcome them fully, and then tighten their bonds; but thereafter [set them free,] either by an act of grace or against ransom, so that the burden of war may be lifted

Quotes without context dont mean anything. You haven't read the Quran and that means you are no position to criticize the religion. You can criticize the muslims who kill in the name of religion, but cant criticize the religion itself.

[masonanddixon]

Quotes without context dont mean anything. You haven't read the Quran and that means you are no position to criticize the religion. You can criticize the muslims, but cant criticize the religion itself.

lol I don't think people hate the Koran itself or even care at all about it, for that matter. I think people are worried about the dudes rolling out and murdering people in cold blood for no reason other than their belief that it will placate their imaginary deity.

[Cactus-Sack]

This is all i need to know:

1- The infidels are your sworn enemies Sura 4:101
2- Make war on The infidels who dwell around you Sura 9:123
3- When you meet The Infidels in the battlefield, strike off their heads Sura 47:4
4- Mohamed is Alla's apostale. Those who follow him are ruthless to The infidels Sura 48:29
5- Prophet, make war on The infidels Sura 66: 9
6- Never be a helper to The disbelievers Sura 28:86
7- Kill The disbelievers wherever we find them (Sura 2:191)
8- 9:29 [And] fight against those (Al-La-Zina) who - despite having been vouchsafed revelation [aforetime] -do not [truly] believe either in God or the Last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and do not follow the religion of truth [which God has enjoined upon them] till they [agree to] pay the exemption tax with a willing hand, after having been humbled [in war].
9- 47:4 Therefore, when you meet The infidels (unbelievers), smite their necks until you overcome them fully, and then tighten their bonds; but thereafter [set them free,] either by an act of grace or against ransom, so that the burden of war may be lifted


Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant 3 by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. 4 When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, 5 then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death

Do you think you should be judged based on that on little passage the same way you judge Muslims?


"Do unto others...."

[livinglegend]

lol I don't think people hate the Koran itself or even care at all about it, for that matter. I think people are worried about the dudes rolling out and murdering people in cold blood for no reason other than their belief that it will placate their imaginary deity.

Well, this is not what i m seeing in this thread. People are criticizing the religion itself by using quotes without context.

[masonanddixon]

Well, this is not what i m seeing in this thread. People are criticizing the religion itself by using quotes without context.

I don't know. I've read the Koran. It's pretty boring and pretty stupid. And it's not very interesting from a literary perspective.

What I am more interested in knowing is the logic and arguments behind the people in here supporting Islam

[livinglegend]

I don't know. I've read the Koran. It's pretty boring and pretty stupid. And it's not very interesting from a literary perspective.

What I more interested in knowing is the logic and arguments behind the people in here supporting Islam

What i am saying is that Islam doesn't promote violence like some people say in this thread. That s all that i am defending.

[masonanddixon]

What i am saying is that Islam doesn't promote violence like some people say in this thread. That s all that i am defending.

But it does explicitly and specifically justify war and murder in the Koran.

[livinglegend]

But it does explicitly and specifically justify war and murder in the Koran.

and how does it justify it?

[Trollsmasher]

Quran is a funny book. The problem with it is that the suras written in the later parts of Muhammad's life trump the earlier suras, but the book itself is not composed in chronological order which confuses a lot of people. Coincidentally, the later stages of the Prophet's life are the most violent ones so basically anything peaceful you may find in Quran has quite likely been overruled by some later sura:lol

[masonanddixon]

and how does it justify it?

By saying it is right to murder the 'Infidels'

[livinglegend]

By saying it is right to murder the 'Infidels'

and who are infidels? What had they done? What was the exact context?

[ImKobe]

**** that religion stuff, agnostic brothas unite

[masonanddixon]

and who are infidels? What had they done? What was the exact context?

I can't remember where exactly but it's in there.

I don't understand what you derive from defending them. They don't give a damn about you and they don't share the same values as Western (and even Eastern) civilizations.

[livinglegend]

I can't remember where exactly but it's in there.

I don't understand what you derive from defending them. They don't give a damn about you and they don't share the same values as Western (and even Eastern) civilizations.

I didnt defend them. I just wanted to see where your criticism came from, and predictably, it came from nowhere.

[Nick Young]

Quotes without context dont mean anything. You haven't read the Quran and that means you are no position to criticize the religion. You can criticize the muslims who kill in the name of religion, but cant criticize the religion itself.
The quotes do mean something. Arabic is not a subtle language. The Koran is written and meant to be interpreted literally, not metaphorically.

People are always trying to make excuses for this shit. But if you want to follow the Koran properly, you do this shit the Koran tells you to do.


This is from someone who knows arabic, lived in a Muslim country for 2 years, and has read an English translation of the Koran.

The bible has some messed up instructions too but it doesn't instruct people to strike terror in to the hearts of nonbelievers by whatever means neccessary. :facepalm



I wonder how many people in here have actually read the Koran?

[masonanddixon]

I didnt defend them. I just wanted to see where your criticism came from, and predictably, it came from nowhere.

I already told you that I read the Koran. I'm not a current scholar of it though.

The New Testament advocates war as well.

All I did was point out that the Koran advocates war and murder when it believes it is justified.

[Nick Young]

White Christians kill people all the time, doesn't mean all white Christians are murderers.
:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

White christians arent killing people in the name of Christianity all the time, def not at the same rate these psycho radical terrorists are.

[livinglegend]

The quotes do mean something. Arabic is not a subtle language. The Koran is written and meant to be interpreted literally, not metaphorically.

People are always trying to make excuses for this shit. But if you want to follow the Koran properly, you do this shit the Koran tells you to do.


This is from someone who knows arabic, lived in a Muslim country for 2 years, and has read an English translation of the Koran.

The bible has some messed up instructions too but it doesn't instruct people to strike terror in to the hearts of nonbelievers by whatever means neccessary. :facepalm



I wonder how many people in here have actually read the Koran?

Yes the quotes do mean something, only with context. People in here post quotes without context.
Almost every written text can be interpreted. The problem is not the text itself, but those who use it for their political reasons.

[livinglegend]

I already told you that I read the Koran. I'm not a current scholar of it though.

The New Testament advocates war as well.

All I did was point out that the Koran advocates war and murder when it believes it is justified.

Yeah, well if someone comes in your house with the sole intention of killing you and not leaving without killing you, all you can do it to defend yourself by attacking him. You cant in there and let him kill you.

[masonanddixon]

Yeah, well if someone comes in your house with the sole intention of killing you and not leaving without killing you, all you can do it to defend yourself by attacking him.

What does that have to do with the narrative here?

I already said a few pages above that i don't like being around people, much less people who want to force their views on others when they are immigrants in a country.

[livinglegend]

What does that have to do with the narrative here?

I already said a few pages above that i don't like being around people, much less people who want to force their views on others when they are immigrants in a country.

What the **** are you talking about? Where do immigrants come from in this?

I thought we were talking about Islam promoting violence or not.

[poido123]

Do you think you should be judged based on that on little passage the same way you judge Muslims?


"Do unto others...."


They are killing and infiltrating countries and have outwardly suggested the motivation of their intentions.

That "little passage" is very direct and tells you exactly what you need to know.

Not once have you even condemned the actions of these radicals, all you've done in this thread is deflect people's opinions with anything but the issue at hand.

Tell me, when was the last radical christian group to be terrorising and beheading people in such a barbaric way? Israel is not an answer.

[Nick Young]

Yes the quotes do mean something, only with context. People in here post quotes without context.
Almost every written text can be interpreted. The problem is not the text itself, but those who use it for their political reasons.
what context do you need?

All you need to know is that in the Koran there are contradictions, like other holy books. The instructions are, whenever there is a contradiction between two passages, follow the passage that comes later. All the crazy violent stuff is towards the back half of the book.

Did you read the Koran? Do you think a religious text that encourages followers to rage constant war against non-believers and gives them clear instructions how to do it is not a problem?:confusedshrug:

[poido123]

What the **** are you talking about? Where do immigrants come from in this?

I thought we were talking about Islam promoting violence or not.


If you were born yesterday, I'd understand why you haven't taken notice of Western countries such as Australia and UK being infiltrated and exploited in an aggressive manner.

If you had actually read over the comments in this thread thoroughly, you probably wouldn't have to ask this stupid question in the first place...

[masonanddixon]

What the **** are you talking about? Where do immigrants come from in this?

I thought we were talking about Islam promoting violence or not.

I came in here because I don't want Muslims in Australia.

If you want to go over the Koran page by page with me, we can arrange for that to happen over the weekend.

[livinglegend]

I came in here because I don't want Muslims in Australia.

If you want to go over the Koran page by page with me, we can arrange for that to happen over the weekend.

I didnt come in here for that. I dont live in Australia.

[Inactive]

I don't know. I've read the Koran. It's pretty boring and pretty stupid. And it's not very interesting from a literary perspective.

What I am more interested in knowing is the logic and arguments behind the people in here supporting IslamMy reasoning in this thread is that for every disgusting passage in the Quran, you can find something equally disgusting in the Bible. For every atrocity committed by Muslims, you can find an equivalent atrocity committed by Christians. So the fixation on the evils of Islam per se doesn't make sense. It's just as backwards as the other Abrahamic religions; not better, and not worse. It seems to me that the fixation on Islam is just a way for people to rationalize their xenophobia, or express it in a more politically correct way.


I can't remember where exactly but it's in there.

I don't understand what you derive from defending them. They don't give a damn about you and they don't share the same values as Western (and even Eastern) civilizations.Posts like this reinforce my view. Muslims are not a monolithic group, with a single set of alien political values. Neither are Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

[masonanddixon]

My reasoning in this thread is that for every disgusting passage in the Quran, you can find something equally disgusting in the Bible. For every atrocity committed by Muslims, you can find an equivalent atrocity committed by Christians. So the fixation on the evils of Islam per se doesn't make sense. It's just as backwards as the other Abrahamic religions; not better, and not worse. It seems to me that the fixation on Islam is just a way for people to rationalize their xenophobia, or express it in a more politically correct way.

Posts like this reinforce my view. Muslims are not a monolithic group, with a single set of alien political values. Neither are Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc.

Dude they have made videos of them blasting civilians' heads off all in the name of Islam.

What more do you need?

[masonanddixon]

I didnt come in here for that. I dont live in Australia.

Yeah I know. So I invited you to go over the Koran with me page by page over the weekend and analyze it. It's a short work and can easily be done over a few hours.

[Inactive]

Dude they have made videos of them blasting civilians' heads off all in the name of Islam.

What more do you need?I don't see how this makes sense as a response to my post. Unless you're suggesting that no one has ever been killed in the name of Christianity?

[livinglegend]

Yeah I know. So I invited you to go over the Koran with me page by page over the weekend and analyze it. It's a short work and can easily be done over a few hours.

Yeah let s do it!

[poido123]

**** that religion stuff, agnostic brothas unite


Can I ask you, if you don't have a god in which you believe in, what purpose does your life have? That you might be remembered as a good guy by your friends?

I mean, I could be wrong for being Christian and believing in a god, but what if I'm right? I have something to gain...

I don't know about you, but the thought of being buried and it ends right there is a very apathetic view of existence.

[b1imtf]

Can I ask you, if you don't have a god in which you believe in, what purpose does your life have? That you might be remembered as a good guy by your friends?

I mean, I could be wrong for being Christian and believing in a god, but what if I'm right? I have something to gain...

I don't know about you, but the thought of being buried and it ends right there is a very apathetic view of existence.

Lol wtf.

[tomtucker]

I don't see how this makes sense as a response to my post. Unless you're suggesting that no one has ever been killed in the name of Christianity?

that was 100

[livinglegend]

Can I ask you, if you don't have a god in which you believe in, what purpose does your life have? That you might be remembered as a good guy by your friends?

I mean, I could be wrong for being Christian and believing in a god, but what if I'm right? I have something to gain...

I don't know about you, but the thought of being buried and it ends right there is a very apathetic view of existence.
:oldlol: :oldlol:
You are so dumb!

How about living life at fullest and enjoying every moment as purpose?

[masonanddixon]

I don't see how this makes sense as a response to my post. Unless you're suggesting that no one has ever been killed in the name of Christianity?

I'm sure there are plenty of good Muslims. The problem is that it tends towards a fundamentalism that is ultimately to the detriment of society.

I feel the same way of them as I feel of miners and people who work in the corporate sector. Some of them may be good people but there's just enough of them to ultimately be a detriment to society.

[masonanddixon]

Yeah let s do it!

All right cool I'll send you a message on here tomorrow night (Friday night). I'll start early Saturday morning. We can go page by page and list any passage or terms that indicate an inclination to violence, evil, murder etc. and then conclude by the evening. Purely academic and detached emotionally from the events of 2014.

All right?

[NumberSix]

Can I ask you, if you don't have a god in which you believe in, what purpose does your life have? That you might be remembered as a good guy by your friends?

I mean, I could be wrong for being Christian and believing in a god, but what if I'm right? I have something to gain...

I don't know about you, but the thought of being buried and it ends right there is a very apathetic view of existence.
If it makes you feel any better, your personal opinions have no impact on whether a god exists or not.

What's going to happen when you die will happen whether you believe or not. Your thoughts about it makes no difference

[tomtucker]

and who are infidels? What had they done? What was the exact context?

infidels are the non-muslims

[livinglegend]

All right cool I'll send you a message on here tomorrow night (Friday night). I'll start early Saturday morning. We can go page by page and list any passage or terms that indicate an inclination to violence, evil, murder etc. and then conclude by the evening. Purely academic and detached emotionally from the events of 2014.

All right?

yes, good !

[poido123]

If it makes you feel any better, your personal opinions have no impact on whether a god exists or not.

What's going to happen when you die will happen whether you believe or not. Your thoughts about it makes no difference


Only that the faith I believe in requires more than simply going along for the ride when you die.

You have to put something in to get something back, so they say...

[Graviton]

I don't see how this makes sense as a response to my post. Unless you're suggesting that no one has ever been killed in the name of Christianity?

Issue is Muslims are the only ones that get special treatment. Nick Young already told us in his gym they kick the guys out 3 days a week just so backwards thinking women can work out, because apparently showing skin and being seen by men is a sin in their religion. This is just one of many annoying customs they enforce in countries after they establish their communities. The situation in London is unacceptable.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/muslim-religious-police-begin-enforcing-islamic-law-in-london-video/


Another example is the fact no one can make fun of or depict Allah/Muhammed in a cartoon/movie without receiving death threats and promises of violent riots. Creative thinking is oppressed because those barbarians take their religion way too seriously and immediately turn to violence as soon as someone dares insult their God.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/30/AR2006013001316.html



Other religions may have had their bloody past, but everyone already evolved past those dark ages. Muslims are the only ones left still living with the same mindset, in the same mountains and deserts, with the same traditions and attitude. Refusing to change and adapt to the current times. Always enforcing their own law everywhere they go. No wonder they haven't contributed anything to either technology or human development in the past century. They are a burden on modern society. You can keep living in your bubble and denying the facts, but one day when you are beheaded trying to defend them you won't be missed.

[NumberSix]

Only that the faith I believe in requires more than simply going along for the ride when you die.

You have to put something in to get something back, so they say...
Sorry to break it to you, but the history of the man mad creation of Christian mythology isn't secret knowledge. Sure, many choose to ignore it or don't seek it out, but once you know the actual history of it, you can't pretend it's still real. The history is well documented and quite clearly made up. It's no different than Greek mythology or Celtic paganism.

All real world evidence points to there never being a Jesus in the first place. 2000 years ago, recorded history was actually pretty thorough. No recorded history of him ever existing until a century after he was supposed to have lived. The first recorded history of him was along the lines of "yeah, the messiah already came. It was like, uh..... 100 years ago. Yeah. That's it."

Now, at the time it didn't really catch on. People were like "if this happened 100 years ago, how come nobody ever heard of this?" Fortunately, after a few hundred more years the myth has time to spread around and this isn't a problem anymore.

[poido123]

Sorry to break it to you, but the history of the man mad creation of Christian mythology isn't secret knowledge. Sure, many choose to ignore it or don't seek it out, but once you know the actual history of it, you can't pretend it's still real. The history is well documented and quite clearly made up. It's no different than Greek mythology or Celtic paganism.

All real world evidence points to there never being a Jesus in the first place. 2000 years, recorded history was actually pretty thorough. No recorded history of him ever existing until a century after he was supposed to have lived. The first recorded history of him was along the lines of "yeah, the messiah already came. It was like, uh..... 100 years ago. Yeah. That's it."


I feel some people make a million reasons why something doesn't exist. Yet they won't fight for 1 reason why it does. i put that down to a lot of people simply don't want to commit to anything that requires faith and responsibility.

If you want to roll with disproving Christianity and its existence, I won't stop you.

All I'm saying is, it beats having nothing to look forward to when you die. because the fact is, you will die.

[Inactive]

[QUOTE=tomtucker]that was 100

[poido123]

Issue is Muslims are the only ones that get special treatment. Nick Young already told us in his gym they kick the guys out 3 days a week just so backwards thinking women can work out, because apparently showing skin and being seen by men is a sin in their religion. This is just one of many annoying customs they enforce in countries after they establish their communities. The situation in London is unacceptable.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/muslim-religious-police-begin-enforcing-islamic-law-in-london-video/


Another example is the fact no one can make fun of or depict Allah/Muhammed in a cartoon/movie without receiving death threats and promises of violent riots. Creative thinking is oppressed because those barbarians take their religion way too seriously and immediately turn to violence as soon as someone dares insult their God.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/30/AR2006013001316.html



Other religions may have had their bloody past, but everyone already evolved past those dark ages. Muslims are the only ones left still living with the same mindset, in the same mountains and deserts, with the same traditions and attitude. Refusing to change and adapt to the current times. Always enforcing their own law everywhere they go. No wonder they haven't contributed anything to either technology or human development in the past century. They are a burden on modern society. You can keep living in your bubble and denying the facts, but one day when you are beheaded trying to defend them you won't be missed.


Well said. :applause:

[NumberSix]

I feel some people make a million reasons why something doesn't exist. Yet they won't fight for 1 reason why it does. i put that down to a lot of people simply don't want to commit to anything that requires faith and responsibility.

If you want to roll with disproving Christianity and its existence, I won't stop you.

All I'm saying is, it beats having nothing to look forward to when you die. because the fact is, you will die.
If there is an afterlife, it will be there when I die whether I believe in it or not.

If an after life doesn't exist, believing in it won't make it exist.

[poido123]

[QUOTE=Inactive]No, it wasn't. There are witch burnings carried out by Christians in Sub-Saharan Africa now. The atrocities carried out on the Muslim Bosnians were 20 years ago.

The Lord's Resistance Army, a cult and guerrilla army, was engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government in 2005. It has been accused of using child soldiers and of committing numerous crimes against humanity; including massacres, abductions, mutilation, torture, rape, and using forced child labourers as soldiers, porters, and sex slaves.[47] A quasi-religious movement that mixes some aspects of Christian beliefs with its own brand of spiritualism,[48][49] it is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the spokesperson of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the "Holy Spirit" which the Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations.[50][50][51][52] LRA fighters wear rosary beads and recite passages from the Bible before battle.[48][53][54][55][56][57]

Nagaland is a Christian majority state in India. Many terrorist incidents have been documented there as a result of an insurgency against the government. This insurgency was originally led by the National Socialist Council of Nagaland (NSCN), who has indulged in terrorist activities varying from kidnapping, illegal drug trafficking, extortion, etc.[21] The group has committed religious violence, as a part of NSCN's described mission of forcibly converting the animist Naga to Christianity. Other goals include the formation of a greater Nagaland. There are occasional reports of the NSCN using force to convert locals of neighboring states to Christianity.[22]

The National Socialist Council of Nagaland, Issac-Muivah faction (slogan: "Nagaland for Christ"), is accused of carrying out the 1992

[JohnFreeman]

http://38.media.tumblr.com/decbd456abc497ad74d04b3a077c05c6/tumblr_n9su6bRKO21rves7ho1_400.gif

[NumberSix]

Atheists.

Spend so much time fence sitting and disproving christianity.

Why not invest the same energy in actually finding a faith that works for you?
Because Faith doesn't work for me. Period.

If you're willing to accept reality, it's quite easy to see that the bible can be scientifically disproven within the 1st sentence.

"In the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth". After god created the earth with all of its water and everything, he then decides "let there be light". The idea that earth could exist before the existence of light is so profoundly stupid, it speaks for itself.

Fun fact: there is light that we look at everyday that is at least 9 billion years older than the earth.

[Nick Young]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH8Ea1or428

Who is this drunko, speaks like a Shakespeare actor. CLASH OF EAST AND WEST!

EDIT: the fat guy who challenges drunk guy in the beginning calls the drunko "your mother's ****" in arabic-I'm sure Mohammed approves!

[poido123]

Because Faith doesn't work for me. Period.

If you're willing to accept reality, it's quite easy to see that the bible can be scientifically disproven within the 1st sentence.

"In the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth". After god created the earth with all of its water and everything, he then decides "let there be light". The idea that earth could exist before the existence of light is so profoundly stupid, it speaks for itself.

Fun fact: there is light that we look at everyday that is at least 9 billion years older than the earth.


No worries.

I wish you luck on your journey.

I will only provide what you might want to know or ask what you want to know.

Other than that, it's not my job to tell you to conform or some bullshit like that.

[Trollsmasher]

get atheism and Christianity outta this thread, dumbasses:coleman:

[Cactus-Sack]

They are killing and infiltrating countries and have outwardly suggested the motivation of their intentions.

That "little passage" is very direct and tells you exactly what you need to know.

Not once have you even condemned the actions of these radicals, all you've done in this thread is deflect people's opinions with anything but the issue at hand.

Tell me, when was the last radical christian group to be terrorising and beheading people in such a barbaric way? Israel is not an answer.

You are an amazing hypocrite. You call yourself a Christian and judge ("judge not lest ye be judged") other religious texts for espousing the same homicidal edicts that yours does.

The point of this thread wasn't for rational discussion, or for me to come out condemning murderers, the pint of this thread, in case you missed the title or the op was to insult all of the ignorant islamophobes on ish, among which you number.

"Infiltrating countries....." You sound like Pauline Hanson. You have no reason to fear anything, calm the fvck down.

[b1imtf]

No worries.

I wish you luck on your journey.

I will only provide what you might want to know or ask what you want to know.

Other than that, it's not my job to tell you to conform or some bullshit like that.
:roll:

[KingBeasley08]

Damn poido one of those Tea Party nikkas. I'm with NumberSix

Religion is a sham and as soon as it declines, the world will improve

[poido123]

Damn poido one of those Tea Party nikkas. I'm with NumberSix

Religion is a sham and as soon as it declines, the world will improve


Tea Party nikkas? what

[poido123]

What? Why do atheists need a "faith"?


Same reason why I think a lot of people need a faith.

To establish some kind of reason for their existence on earth.

I really don't understand people's desire to die without any kind of afterlife desire.

It isn't in my logic, but each to their own i guess.

[poido123]

You are an amazing hypocrite. You call yourself a Christian and judge ("judge not lest ye be judged") other religious texts for espousing the same homicidal edicts that yours does.

The point of this thread wasn't for rational discussion, or for me to come out condemning murderers, the pint of this thread, in case you missed the title or the op was to insult all of the ignorant islamophobes on ish, among which you number.

"Infiltrating countries....." You sound like Pauline Hanson. You have no reason to fear anything, calm the fvck down.


Judge? I see a direct threat made from something that extends further than just on Earth, but a holy war which is only ramping up more.

I think the actions and judgements seen in the atrocities occurring before our very eyes from ISIS are pretty clear intentions that there is no acceptance of Christians.

while the bible may make a verse that encourages its followers to draw their own meaning from it, Islam and the Quran is more forceful in action and will do things literal from the teachings in the book. That's the difference.

[Warfan]

Same reason why I think a lot of people need a faith.

To establish some kind of reason for their existence on earth.

I really don't understand people's desire to die without any kind of afterlife desire.

It isn't in my logic, but each to their own i guess.

Maybe they don't need a religion or faith to have meaning in their life :confusedshrug:

[poido123]

Maybe they don't need a religion or faith to have meaning in their life :confusedshrug:


In life no. But what happens when you die?

[Warfan]

In life no. But what happens when you die?

I dont think anyone knows. But the concept of an afterlife to me just seems like a way for people to cope with the death of loved ones, and to deal with the fear of death. You feel better if you think there's a heaven or paradise or whatever that comes after you die.

[BlkMambaGOAT]

Internet arguments on religion basically go down to a giant argument from ignorance: "YOU CAN'T PROVE GOD EXISTS THEREFORE HE DOESN'T BECAUSE REASONS."
"WELL YOU CAN'T PROVE GOD DOESN'T EXIST THEREFORE HE DOES BECAUSE REASONS."
Dudes, We'll all figure out the answer for sure when we die, and at that point it won't matter either way, so let's stop trying to **** on each other and actually enjoy this discussion site in the meantime.


The Kobe vs Lebron threads are nothing compared to this...:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[NumberSix]

I dont think anyone knows. But the concept of an afterlife to me just seems like a way for people to cope with the death of loved ones, and to deal with the fear of death. You feel better if you think there's a heaven or paradise or whatever that comes after you die.
You go to Valhalla when you die. Everybody knows that.

[Lebron23]

Lots of muslims in my place. I don't have any problem with them. They sold cheap slippers and cheap dvd's to me. and I played basketball with some of them during the weekends.

[NumberSix]

Lots of muslims in my place. I don't have any problem with them. They sold cheap slippers and cheap dvd's to me. and I played basketball with some of them during the weekends.
Sleeper cell in LeBronville confirmed.

[dude77]

this whole sharia bullshit really pisses me the fk off .. that shit has no place where we live .. here, uk etc .. yet it's going on .. why ? .. western countries are fkn pussified .. bunch of slaw jawed fggts .. 'sharia' should've been crushed like a bug the minute it started 'appearing' in these places

[Cactus-Sack]

this whole sharia bullshit really pisses me the fk off .. that shit has no place where we live .. here, uk etc .. yet it's going on .. why ? .. western countries are fkn pussified .. bunch of slaw jawed fggts .. 'sharia' should've been crushed like a bug the minute it started 'appearing' in these places

Except that it isn't.......

[NumberSix]

Except that it isn't.......
Yeah, in the UK it is.

[Cactus-Sack]

No it isn't. No courts in the UK have passed any laws.

[Nick Young]

Except that it isn't.......
In the UK it's running wild. state sponsored community centers are adopting sharia style laws, sharia patrols are going around in Tower Hamlets yelling at passers by to stay away from mosques and forcing people to poor out alchohol, yelling at women to cover up, and these are kids born and raised in the UK, many of whom have never even been to the country their families are from.

[Cactus-Sack]

A bunch of thugs. That's not sharia law, it's a-holes.

[LJJ]

Are the Muslims taking over? Nah.

But they have caused a lot of crime, a lot of social unrest, a lot of domestic abuse. Non-muslim women get harassed if they go to the wrong areas. It's just not a good thing, it's not desirable.

[DonDadda59]

In life no. But what happens when you die?

Same thing that happened before you were conceived- you don't exist. I know, I know- but how can the World keep spinning without you being alive in one form or another? Crazy. But believe me, the Universe will find a way. The World will somehow manage to keep spinning on its axis, the seasons will continue to change, etc and so on without you.

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/de/ed/a5/deeda5ed422cac28397424b5d5e8903f.jpg

[NumberSix]

No it isn't. No courts in the UK have passed any laws.
Lol. You think these people care about laws?:roll:


Guess what country this is in?

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02543/panorama_sharia_2543257b.jpg



I wonder what's inside this pleasant little English shop?

http://www.digitaljournal.com/img/8/7/8/i/7/7/9/o/shariacouncil.jpg


Oh that's right. It's one of many sharia courts in the UK.

http://i.imgur.com/c6y7Dq6.jpg


These people don't give a fcuk about the law of the country they are in. They set up their own illegal courts to enforce their own sharia law.