Seriousness of CA's drought

[Jameerthefear]

http://imgur.com/a/IgoUq
:wtf:

[ZeN]

Yeah were pretty much f*cked.

[ZeN]

LoneDirewolf 331 points : 13 replies : 2 hours ago reply
It may be time to stop the ALS ice bucket challenge and just donate instead


:lol

[MMM]

I've asked this before but why do people live in the south west US?? The water resources can't sustain the population and they are depleting resources from other regions.

[AirGauge23]

I've asked this before but why do people live in the south west US?? The water resources can't sustain the population and they are depleting resources from other regions.

The Putas, mayne.

[ZeN]

Because we are selfish.

[MMM]

Because we are selfish.

That's the answer to all life's problems but couldn't these assholes been selfish in the mid or north west

[zoom17]

Damn the second and third pic.

[ZeN]

That's the answer to all life's problems but couldn't these assholes been selfish in the mid or north west
Well no the weather conditions are different here and theres the beach, snow, mountains, Sequoia.. Vegas and all types of things that attract people to live in a selfish cluster.

[ZeN]

Damn the second and third pic.
Supposedly in 2010 there was extra rain that fell which would account for how high the waters were in 2011. However that still would not be answer for the actual water shortages that are affecting California. This year we have had very little rain in comparison to the last few years. Everyone talks about how thats so great, which shows the ignorance in their thinking.

[shaq2000]

I can't remember the last solid rain we've had. I think it's causing depression.

[ZeN]

I can't remember the last solid rain we've had. I think it's causing depression.
You cant remember it because water is always in liquid form.

[MMM]

Well no the weather conditions are different here and theres the beach, snow, mountains, Sequoia.. Vegas and all types of things that attract people to live in a selfish cluster.

To be honest it's simplistic to suggest that simply living elsewhere completely solves the problem but the sustainable issues have always been concerning.

[ZeN]

To be honest it's simplistic to suggest that simply living elsewhere completely solves the problem but the sustainable issues have always been concerning.


Its a real problem, I agree. If all things were fair and equal, living would be widely spread but conditions and jobs would also. California is so packed man.. half of mexico is in LA county. lol

[32jazz]

Is desalination being utilized to alleviate the water issue?

Is desalination the long term answer? Feasible?

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

I had no idea it's THIS serious!
I listen to news talk radio a lot and they're constantly saying, "It's just an exaggeration. Keep living your lives, Californians!"

I love California, but damn! This makes me want to move just for the sake of the environment. One less thirsty family to deplete water resources. CA's govt has done a horrendous job allocating water. We truly are fu

[The Real JW]

http://www.miscupload.com/upload5/486189372135384461058671.gif

[ThePhantomCreep]

[QUOTE=DwnShft2Xcelr8]I had no idea it's THIS serious!
I listen to news talk radio a lot and they're constantly saying, "It's just an exaggeration. Keep living your lives, Californians!"

I love California, but damn! This makes me want to move just for the sake of the environment. One less thirsty family to deplete water resources. CA's govt has done a horrendous job allocating water. We truly are fu

[boozehound]

and this is why we dont (or,rather, shouldn't) put all of our agricultural eggs (at least in terms of produce and direct consumer vegetables, not cash crops) in one dry ass desert of the basket. Places like the imperial valley are part of the mojave desert and we are dealing with long term climate uncertainty there (even with modern irrigation).

Now, if we changed more to the Israeli-developed arid irrigation methods (for example), we would stand a chance.


In the meantime, the monsoon season here on the edge of the Colorado Plateau has been out of site. Great consistent rains (some a little too heavy)

[Godzuki]

lol thats pretty crazy

especially considering its been raining for a full week here on east coast, at least MD area...and with the heat creates this shitty humidity weather where clothes stick to you w/ insects all over the place, and probably the shitiest weather human beings have to suffer thru anywhere.

unless u got shorts and T's on its awful living thru this type of weather. i'll take drought weather over this any day~

[LoPro4u2c]

The Putas, mayne.

The Mexicans love their water.

[Duggrr]

An oasis of hope among the Californian drought:

http://i.imgur.com/yknSPSd.jpg?1?8202

[Meticode]

An oasis of hope among the Californian drought:

http://imgur.com/yknSPSd
:durantunimpressed:

[bdreason]

More land for everyone.

[SupermanOnSteroids]

http://www.miscupload.com/upload5/486189372135384461058671.gif
what exactly are we looking at here?

[Swaggin916]

I live in Cali and it's been bad enough to where it's gotten more attention that ever in my lifetime... Kinda nice that I did a research project on the Delta and how different parts of Cali get their water and really gained a respect for it.

That being said, I haven't really changed my water usage habits much, but I am totally conscious of it and try not to flush the toilet unless I crap in it, turn water off when soaping my hands... stuff like that.

[tomtucker]

just get rid of the millions of mexicans, and there will be water aplenty for the americans

[zoom17]

California largest lake is drying up fast.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/californias-largest-lake-is-slipping-away-amid-an-epic-drought/2015/05/28/e83dd136-fe51-11e4-833c-a2de05b6b2a4_story.html

[KevinNYC]

Apparently, all snowpack in California's mountains is gone as of today.

[Batzman]

Apparently, all snowpack in California's mountains is gone as of today.
As a Canadian, it pains me to read this.


ZeN :( stay thirsty my friend. or don't w/e

[24-Inch_Chrome]

The world could go without Southern California

The world could go without you. :confusedshrug:

[L.Kizzle]

Come get some of this rain from Texas.

[BigNBAfan]

Come get some of this rain from Texas.

i think californians will pass on houstons oily water.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Over 70% of California's rainfall flows out into the ocean. They haven't built a large state or federal funded dam since 1979 because the environmentalists wield so much power there. The solution to the drought is easy, but the needs of endangered fish and wildlife trumps human consumption for now.

[Nanners]

Over 70% of California's rainfall flows out into the ocean. They haven't built a large state or federal funded dam since 1979 because the environmentalists wield so much power there. The solution to the drought is easy, but the needs of endangered fish and wildlife trumps human consumption for now.
yeah because building more dams is going to make snowpack magically appear in the california mountains.

[Nanners]

Yeah because all the snowpack they do get magically evaporates into thin air.

california has given out water rights for 370 million acre feet of water, yet the entire state recieves an average of only 70 million acre feet of water every year.

this isnt a problem you are going to solve with dams.

and yeah, now that you mention it a lot of the snowpack they get actually does evaporate :oldlol:

[HitandRun Reggie]

yeah because building more dams is going to make snowpack magically appear in the california mountains.

Yeah because all the precipitation they do get magically evaporates into thin air

[HitandRun Reggie]

california has given out water rights for 370 million acre feet of water, yet the entire state recieves an average of only 70 million acre feet of water every year.

this isnt a problem you are going to solve with dams.

Yep your right, the ocean needs more water.

[Nanners]

the only way cali can solve their water problems is through agriculture reform. more dams arent going to do jack diddly.

[step_back]

the only way cali can solve their water problems is through agriculture reform. more dams arent going to do jack diddly.

Like Americans will give up eating cheeseburgers. :rolleyes:

But yes you're absolutely right.

[Nanners]

Like Americans will give up eating cheeseburgers. :rolleyes:

But yes you're absolutely right.

i think a good place to start would be cotton.

cotton is extremely water intensive and california grows a shitload, its the 4th most valuable crop in the state.

[HitandRun Reggie]

the only way cali can solve their water problems is through agriculture reform. more dams arent going to do jack diddly.

Yep, that's why even liberal California has seen the writing on the wall and earmarked billions for dam projects last year. That's if they can get the water fill them from the clutches of the environmentalists who want to keep the runoff for the habitats of their super extra special glorified baitfish.

But Nanners knows better right?

Dams don't help get people more water. http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/nTE/e8n/nTEe8n5TA.png

[Bigsmoke]

The Midwest wins.

The most fresh water supply in the world

[Nanners]

Yep, that's why even liberal California has seen the writing on the wall and earmarked billions for dam projects last year. That's if they can get the water fill them from the clutches of the environmentalists who want to keep the runoff for the habitats of their super extra special glorified baitfish.

But Nanners knows better right?

Dams don't help get people more water. http://www.clipartbest.com/cliparts/nTE/e8n/nTEe8n5TA.png

yeah, if only california had more these.... it would fix everything

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/26/article-2567911-1BD6C6C500000578-245_634x427.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/21/1408642912398_Image_galleryImage_OROVILLE_CA_JULY_ 20_In_th.JPG

http://newshour-tc.pbs.org/newshour/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/469209367-1024x654.jpg

[HitandRun Reggie]

yeah, if only california had more these.... it would fix everything

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/02/26/article-2567911-1BD6C6C500000578-245_634x427.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/21/1408642912398_Image_galleryImage_OROVILLE_CA_JULY_ 20_In_th.JPG

http://newshour-tc.pbs.org/newshour/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/469209367-1024x654.jpg

You're really bad at examples aren't you? Folsom Lake(dam) has literally twice as much water right now than it did in that 2014 photo.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/02/11/folsom-lake-levels-twice-as-high-as-they-were-1-year-ago/

Proving that dams do work, especially if you make an effort to fill them. Like I said California wouldn't be committing billions to try and build dams and water storage areas for the first time in decades if they didn't work. I know California likes to waste money on dumb stuff, but this would be ridiculous even for them.

[Nanners]

You're really bad at examples aren't you? Folsom Lake(dam) has literally twice as much water right now than it did in that 2014 photo.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/02/11/folsom-lake-levels-twice-as-high-as-they-were-1-year-ago/

Proving that dams do work, especially if you make an effort to fill them. Like I said California wouldn't be committing billions to try and build dams and water storage areas for the first time in decades if they didn't work. I know California likes to waste money on dumb stuff, but this would be ridiculous even for them.

Wow, so the water level is double of completely empty?

I looked up this california dam proposal. The plan is to set aside 6.2 billion dollars for 5 new dam projects that will add a total of 400,000 acre feet of water. The state of california consumes 43+ million acre feet of water each year, so this multibillion dollar dam project would literally just be a drop in the bucket.... jack diddly.

Meanwhile, Californias cotton farming industry is using 2.3 million acre feet of water each year to produce a non-food cash crop. What California should do is take the dam money and buy out the cotton farmers, which would free up 5x as much water as the dams would provide and cause zero ecological damage.

[HitandRun Reggie]

Wow, so the water level is double of completely empty?

I looked up this california dam proposal. The plan is to set aside 6.2 billion dollars for 5 new dam projects that will add a total of 400,000 acre feet of water. The state of california consumes 43+ million acre feet of water each year, so this multibillion dollar dam project would literally just be a drop in the bucket.... jack diddly.

Meanwhile, Californias cotton farming industry is using 2.3 million acre feet of water each year to produce a non-food cash crop. What California should do is take the dam money and buy out the cotton farmers, which would free up 5x as much water as the dams would provide and cause zero ecological damage.

It now holds 200,000 acre feet(1.1 million capacity) enough to easily supply San Francisco three times over. But you are getting away from my original point, the one you quoted. California lets 70% of its water runoff into the ocean. So the for right now, the choice is easy, capture and store more runoff. That should be explored before anyone starts destroying sectors of the economy to save a few fishes.

[Nanners]

It now holds 200,000 acre feet(1.1 million capacity) enough to easily supply San Francisco three times over. But you are getting away from my original point, the one you quoted. California lets 70% of its water runoff into the ocean. So the for right now, the choice is easy, capture and store more runoff. That should be explored before anyone starts destroying sectors of the economy to save a few fishes.

yeah the choice is easy and obvious - agriculture consumes the vast majority of water in the state, and sucking the rivers dry will only kick the can down the road for a few years.

The entire city of San Francisco consumes 80,000 acre feet per year, while cotton farming consumes 2,300,000 acre feet per year... its obvious what needs to happen here.

[Draz]

This shit is too serious. Wtf

[HitandRun Reggie]

yeah the choice is easy and obvious - agriculture consumes the vast majority of water in the state, and sucking the rivers dry will only kick the can down the road for a few years.

The entire city of San Francisco consumes 80,000 acre feet per year, while cotton farming consumes 2,300,000 acre feet per year... its obvious what needs to happen here.

Not once have you mentioned the fact that the vast majority of California's precipitation runs off into the sea and can be utilized. You keep repeating yourself over and over. Dams - bad. Agriculture - bad. Destroying a portion of the economy - good.

[ALBballer]

yeah the choice is easy and obvious - agriculture consumes the vast majority of water in the state, and sucking the rivers dry will only kick the can down the road for a few years.

The entire city of San Francisco consumes 80,000 acre feet per year, while cotton farming consumes 2,300,000 acre feet per year... its obvious what needs to happen here.

You're telling me that a state that mostly consists of desert should not be hub of major agriculture? **** you man. Murica!

[Nanners]

Not once have you mentioned the fact that the vast majority of California's precipitation runs off into the sea and can be utilized. You keep repeating yourself over and over. Dams - bad. Agriculture - bad. Destroying a portion of the economy - good.

cotton farming consumes ~5% of californias total water and accounts for ~0.05% of californias GDP.... i think the economy will survive

[Bigsmoke]

Californians can always moving to Minnesota or Wisconsin for fresh water:confusedshrug:

[DeuceWallaces]

Californians can always moving to Minnesota or Wisconsin for fresh water:confusedshrug:

**** that we got no room for them on our beaches. Stay farming in the desert. Last thing I need to see is real estate prices soar to West Coast levels in Grand Haven, Holland, Saugatuck, etc.

They're coming for us:

http://i.imgur.com/I5Ow3Hz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ipPQZrB.jpg

[ALBballer]

**** that we got no room for them on our beaches. Stay farming in the desert. Last thing I need to see is real estate prices soar to West Coast levels in Grand Haven, Holland, Saugatuck, etc.

They're coming for us:

http://i.imgur.com/I5Ow3Hz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ipPQZrB.jpg

Let's be reality, most people that move to California due so to weather. Michigan has some scenic places that are great to visit in the summer but most Californians would die under the humidity and freeze during their winters.

There is a reason why most of the Midwest is cheap and it will stay that way for the most part.

[rufuspaul]

Agriculture uses a shit ton of H2O in Cali. I read about the Almond industry and not only does it use an astronomical amount of H2O but most of the crop is shipped overseas.

Fracking also uses a lot of water. I blame Hawker personally.

[Nanners]

Agriculture uses a shit ton of H2O in Cali. I read about the Almond industry and not only does it use an astronomical amount of H2O but most of the crop is shipped overseas.

Fracking also uses a lot of water. I blame Hawker personally.

if it wasnt for hawker and the benevolent energy providers, we would all be huddled around fires in little straw huts right now.

[rufuspaul]

if it wasnt for hawker and the benevolent energy providers, we would all be huddled around fires in little straw huts right now.


That sounds like quaint fun. :oldlol:

[DeuceWallaces]

Let's be reality, most people that move to California due so to weather. Michigan has some scenic places that are great to visit in the summer but most Californians would die under the humidity and freeze during their winters.

There is a reason why most of the Midwest is cheap and it will stay that way for the most part.

Humidity? :biggums:

[Nanners]

Living in a city that is being overrun by Californians is not all that bad. From what I gather Portland currently has the highest rate of GDP growth of any city in the country (http://www.shaker.com/articles/4-texas-cities-rank-in-top-12-for-economic-growth-portland-oregon-fastest-growing-u-s-city-for-gdp-per-bloomberg), and a lot of this is thanks to the infusion of Californian money. It sucks that its hard for first time home owners to afford a house in Portland, but the skyrocketing property values are nice for those who bought houses in the 90s and early 2000s.

[DeuceWallaces]

I think it will be quite a while before they have to evacuate California; wasn't really being serious. Although, I'm sure they'll try to steal our water before that.

[ALBballer]

Humidity? :biggums:

Most of California experiences dry heat and coastal cities in California have milder summers . Many Californians would complain in 80-90 degree humid weather that is common in the midwest and the East coast during the summer.

[ALBballer]

In the end, California will be fine. When 80% of the water usage is used by agriculture and agriculture only makes up something like 2% of California's GDP well it's easy to see what the solution will be if the drought continues i.e. agriculture will have to cut its' consumption.

[Droid101]

Almonds and Almond milk are some of the biggest offenders. I'm fine giving those up, really.

[HitandRun Reggie]

People like to throw around the 2.5% GDP number. What they neglect to mention is that California produces close to half of the nation's fruits, vegetables and nuts. Agriculture also make's up 7.3% of California's private sector jobs. This in a state where the unemployment rate is at the bottom 10 worst in the nation.

[Jailblazers7]

Agriculture uses a shit ton of H2O in Cali. I read about the Almond industry and not only does it use an astronomical amount of H2O but most of the crop is shipped overseas.

Fracking also uses a lot of water. I blame Hawker personally.

A friend and I came up with a crack pot conspiracy that the Chinese government has massive vaults full of almonds. Basically, they are trying to destroy our largest state economy by tricking us into exporting all of the water via almonds. :lol

[rufuspaul]

A friend and I came up with a crack pot conspiracy that the Chinese government has massive vaults full of almonds. Basically, they are trying to destroy our largest state economy by tricking us into exporting all of the water via almonds. :lol

Brilliant. :applause:

[Bigsmoke]

**** that we got no room for them on our beaches. Stay farming in the desert. Last thing I need to see is real estate prices soar to West Coast levels in Grand Haven, Holland, Saugatuck, etc.

They're coming for us:

http://i.imgur.com/I5Ow3Hz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ipPQZrB.jpg


or better yet a pipeline that stretches from there to Lake Superior if thats possible :lol

think about it. Lake Superier is the largest fresh water resource in the world and its only being used to suppy water for cities like Duluth and marquette and other cities i'm not too familiar with . :confusedshrug:

[Bigsmoke]

Humidity? :biggums:

i was thinking the same thing.

no where in the Great Lakes region is Louisiana in the summer time

[DeuceWallaces]

or better yet a pipeline that stretches from there to Lake Superior if thats possible :lol

think about it. Lake Superier is the largest fresh water source in the world and its only being used to suppy water for cities like Duluth and marquette and other cities i'm not too familiar with . :confusedshrug:

It's our water.

And yeah, I didn't feel like arguing but he obviously has a poor understanding of humidity patterns in the US.

[Bigsmoke]

Most of California experiences dry heat and coastal cities in California have milder summers . Many Californians would complain in 80-90 degree humid weather that is common in the midwest and the East coast during the summer.

its mostly upper 70's to mid 80's in the summer.

maybe 5 or 6 days a year above 90

people in chicago faint when it gets too hot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Chicago_heat_wave


for the most part, those temperatures are like average hot Mississippi days

[ALBballer]

It's our water.

And yeah, I didn't feel like arguing but he obviously has a poor understanding of humidity patterns in the US.


It's our water.

And yeah, I didn't feel like arguing but he obviously has a poor understanding of humidity patterns in the US.

Typical redherring argument with a typical pretentious response. In places like Los Angeles and San Diego the summers are much milder and the humidity is not that big of a factor. The midwest has more extreme summers and high humidity, more moisture in the air and your body

[DeuceWallaces]

[QUOTE=ALBballer]Typical redherring argument with a typical pretentious response. In places like Los Angeles and San Diego the summers are much milder and the humidity is not that big of a factor. The midwest has more extreme summers and high humidity, more moisture in the air and your body

[Nick Young]

I think it will be quite a while before they have to evacuate California; wasn't really being serious. Although, I'm sure they'll try to steal our water before that.
LOL. One nation under God, bitch. All water in the United States is our water. What's ours is yours. What's yours is mine. Old Sport.

[ALBballer]

You are wrong. Look at monthly temperature and humidity averages for LA, and Chicago, Grand Rapids, Milwaukee.

Look at google comments :lol Why don't you look up some NOAA data dumbass.

I already explained this to you. Coastal LA is cooler on average then Chicago and say Grand Rapids in the summer although relative humidity is comparable (BTW relative humidity is only one barometer a better one is dew point) but since the Midwest is hotter than coastal Los Angeles the humidity feels worst. Inland California (ie Yucaipa) is less humid then the Midwest although hotter after all its almost a desert Ala "dry heat."

Then compare other Northern Coastal cities in California where temperature in places like San Francisco range from 60 to 70 all year round and although relative humidity might be similar but due to the hotter weather in the Midwest by comparison the humidity is less bearable.

You're being pretentious dick like always and I can't believe I wrote so many paragraphs to explains something so fuxking simple.

[Droid101]

I'm only supposed to water my lawn on Sunday or Wednesday evening. I haven't watered my lawn since 2013 so I guess I don't care.