Are Kevin Love and Irving the best teammates LeBron has ever had?

[Kidbasketball20]

- He had Wade who was great at one time, but injured for a bit.
- Bosh who isn't as good as Love.

- Irving is a TOP PG and only getting better. If Chalmers is at a 70, Irving is at least an 85.

- And the team all around has more depth and less weaknesses than the Heat had.

[Cocaine80s]

Wade from 10-12 was better than both

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

2011 Wade was a top 3 player
2012 Wade was a fringe top 5 player

so no

[Smook A.]

Wade from 10-12 was better than both
This.

LeBron's best teammate ever by far was Dwyane Wade. Love & Irving don't come close.

[RedBlackAttack]

We still don't know how good Kyrie can become. He's only just 22. Hell, Love may not even be in his absolute prime yet. And, don't forget Dion Waiters who has become the forgotten man in all this. He has crazy potential if he begins finishing at the rim at a higher rate.

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There were stretches last season where Dion was the best player on the team and he's still just 22.

There's no doubt that this is the team with the most potential that LeBron has ever been on. From a pure basketball standpoint, the Dwyane Wade from 2011 would be hard for any of these guys to top. He was still one of the greatest shooting guards to ever live at that stage. And, Bosh was a very good during those years especially defensively.

But, I think this team fits together much better and has a higher ceiling if all these guys maximize their talent. It is possible that LeBron and Kyrie/Dion never actually play together in their respective primes, though. By the time those guys are 26, LeBron will be 33.

[jzek]

2010 and 2011 Wade and Bosh were better

But 2014 Love and Irving are better than 2014 Wade and Bosh.

[JT123]

No, but Irving is the best point guard Bron has ever played with. This is the first time in Lebron's career that he won't have the burden of being the only playmaker on his team. I think his assist numbers might drop off heavily this season, as he will probably let Kyrie run the offense most of the time.

[DukeDelonte13]

2011 Wade was a top 3 player
2012 Wade was a fringe top 5 player

so no


there was never a point in time in wade's career where he was a top 3 player.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

there was never a point in time in wade's career where he was a top 3 player.
Youre a retard:roll: :roll: :roll:

There were 3 players better than Wade in 2009, 2010 and 2011????????

2009 best players

Kobe
Wade
Lebron

2010 best players

the same

2011 best players

Dirk
Dwight
WAde

[Smook A.]

there was never a point in time in wade's career where he was a top 3 player.
2008-09
1. Kobe
2. LeBron
3. Wade
4. Dwight
5. Dirk

2010-11
1. LeBron
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. Dwight
5. Durant

Wade was definitely a top 3 player in the 2008-09 season. It was arguable for the 2011 season since most people thought Dwight was the 3rd best.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

2008-09

1. Kobe
2. LeBron
3. Wade
4. Dwight
5. Dirk

2010-11

1. LeBron
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. Dwight
5. Durant
Dirk not top 5 in 2011:biggums: :biggums: are u retarded:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[Smook A.]

Dirk not top 5 in 2011:biggums: :biggums: are u retarded:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
I'm talking about the regular season. Dirk was a top 3 player in 2011 if you counted the postseason.

[livinglegend]

2011 Wade was a top 3 player
2012 Wade was a fringe top 5 player

so no

:facepalm
Wade was top 5/6 in 2011, not top 3.
He wasnt even top 10 in 2012.

[Sarcastic]

Either way, both of them are about to see their stats take a significant drop off.

[dubeta]

Peak Shaq >>> both


Peak Pippen >>> both

[Smook A.]

Peak Shaq >>> both


Peak Pippen >>> both
That's like saying Michael Jordan is better than Harold Miner

Pretty god damn obvious.

[RedBlackAttack]

No, but Irving is the best point guard Bron has ever played with. This is the first time in Lebron's career that he won't have the burden of being the only playmaker on his team. I think his assist numbers might drop off heavily this season, as he will probably let Kyrie run the offense most of the time.
Kyrie is absolutely far and away the best pure point guard he has ever played with, but Wade is a pretty damn good playmaker in his own right. I think Kyrie will be much more willing to set up others, though, and that Blatt will find creative ways to make the spacing work, making LeBron's life easier... if he accepts it.

However, deep down, I do have a small fear that LeBron will resort to pounding the ball and becoming the team's primary ball-handler if things don't start absolutely seamlessly. He's going to have to embrace a new way of playing with Kyrie next to him. The reward could be awesome, but he's going to have to play a role that may be a bit uncomfortable at first.

It's a fascinating situation, just purely from a basketball standpoint.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

there was never a point in time in wade's career where he was a top 3 player.

Where would you have ranked him in 2009?

[RedBlackAttack]

Peak Shaq >>> both


Peak Pippen >>> both
Your trolling has become boring and tiresome. I've warned you a couple times already about it. I will just start deleting posts soon. Go away.

[JT123]

Kyrie is absolutely far and away the best pure point guard he has ever played with, but Wade is a pretty damn good playmaker in his own right. I think Kyrie will be much more willing to set up others, though, and that Blatt will find creative ways to make the spacing work, making LeBron's life easier... if he accepts it.

However, deep down, I do have a small fear that LeBron will resort to pounding the ball and becoming the team's primary ball-handler if things don't start absolutely seamlessly. He's going to have to embrace a new way of playing with Kyrie next to him. The reward could be awesome, but he's going to have to play a role that may be a bit uncomfortable at first.

It's a fascinating situation, just purely from a basketball standpoint.
Wade was only a good playmaker when healthy, which in the playoffs wasn't very often. I have no doubt Lebron would accept a lesser role. The dude is all about making his teammates happy, sometimes to a fault. When he first got to Miami his numbers fell off pretty noticeably at the beginning of the season, as he was making a concerted effort to not step on Wade's toes. I see the same thing happening early on this season.

[ArbitraryWater]

Your trolling has become boring and tiresome. I've warned you a couple times already about it. I will just start deleting posts soon. Go away.

:oldlol:

RBA like http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/13/136085/2479220-1578648373-gw-cl.gif

[La Frescobaldi]

At those positions, they are, Chris Bosh mostly played the 5 with Miami

[MP.Trey]

Either way, both of them are about to see their stats take a significant drop off.
I'm sure they'll gladly trade a significant increase in wins for a significant drop off in statistics. :cheers:

[Hey Yo]

Either way, both of them are about to see their stats take a significant drop off.
All depends on their minutes. Quite possible to see LeBron's reg. season MPG drop down to the 34-35 range.

Wouldn't be surprised if he avg. less than Love or Irving during the reg. season, but not both.

[Meticode]

No, Wade in his first two years with LeBron was better than Irving or Love.

[bizil]

Wade is EASILY the best teammate Bron ever had. I mean u are talking a top 15-20 GOAT legend in Wade. And they took the heat off of each other in ALL FACETS of the game. Be it scoring, rebounding, defense, and assists. No other perimeter tandem can make that claim. With Jordan-Pippen, MJ was the true alpha dog while Pippen never was one. With West-Baylor, Baylor was never regarded as a great defender. So GOAT wise, Jordan-Pippen is still the best perimeter tandem ever. But peak wise, I think Wade-James is the best permeter tandem ever. However I gotta give props to West and Baylor because they were the original. And at least scoring wise, they complemented each other the best in terms of scoring areas of the floor.

[Eric Cartman]

OP should be banned.

Might as well slap Wade in the face while you are at it.

[Papaya Petee]

there was never a point in time in wade's career where he was a top 3 player.
LOL. 2005-2006 he was arguably the best. Before injury 2006-2007 he was arguably the best. 2008-2009 he was the Best. 2009-2010 he was top 3. 2010-2011 he was top 3-5 at worst. 2012 and 2005 he was top 10. 2013 he was top 10 in the regular season. Shut up please.

[Meticode]

there was never a point in time in wade's career where he was a top 3 player.
I'm going to disagree with you here. I don't see how a player who averages this in one season as a guard...

30.2 PPG, 49% FG%, 32% 3P%, 77% FT%, 5.0 RPG, 7.5 APG, 2.2 SPG, 1.3 BPG

...and not be a top 3 player that year. He's at least been a top three player for 2-3 seasons.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

2011 Wade was better than both (although redundant with lebron)...Love is better than any other version of Wade he played with...

[Hoopz2332]

In order, the best players lebron has played with


1. healthy wade

2. hobbled wade (2012)

3. kevin love

4. Bosh

5. Mo williams

6. Kyrie

7. Larry Hughes

8. prime Big Z

[DukeDelonte13]

I'm going to disagree with you here. I don't see how a player who averages this in one season as a guard...

30.2 PPG, 49% FG%, 32% 3P%, 77% FT%, 5.0 RPG, 7.5 APG, 2.2 SPG, 1.3 BPG

...and not be a top 3 player that year. He's at least been a top three player for 2-3 seasons.


i didn't think what I said was that controversial...

08-09 i put Dwight and Dirk ahead of him. It's debatable i guess.

[ArbitraryWater]

there was never a point in time in wade's career where he was a top 3 player.

Wade was top 3 in 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011... He has arguments for 2007 as he was the best Player pre-Injury, and top 5 in 2005. 2012 to me, marks his last "prime" year... still top 10.

Although 2011 ends his elite, peak like play.

His regular-season Play in 2013 and 2014 was still great, but his post-season play in 2013 and 2014 was bad.

[Meticode]

i didn't think what I said was that controversial...

08-09 i put Dwight and Dirk ahead of him. It's debatable i guess.
It's just a difference in opinion. That's where I put him into the top 3. Dirk was a top 5 player that year, but I'd put Wade in the top three.

[Smoke117]

No, but Irving is the best point guard Bron has ever played with. This is the first time in Lebron's career that he won't have the burden of being the only playmaker on his team. I think his assist numbers might drop off heavily this season, as he will probably let Kyrie run the offense most of the time.


Uh...wade has been one of the best play making sg's throughout his career.

[dubeta]

Bosh, Lebron, and Wade shouldve teamed up in 2007 after their rookie contracts expired

[poido123]

Bosh, Lebron, and Wade shouldve teamed up in 2007 after their rookie contracts expired


Even when you try not to troll, you still sound stupid.

Why wasn't this guy permbanned Jeff :( same goes for dragic4 life

To answer the OP, definitely his best teammates. Wades first year with the big 3 was the only time lebrons teammate was better.

[OnFire]

Wade will be better than Kyrie NOW so every year before that he was better too.

[TheNaturalWR]

2008-09
1. Kobe
2. LeBron
3. Wade
4. Dwight
5. Dirk

2010-11
1. LeBron
2. Kobe
3. Wade
4. Dwight
5. Durant

Wade was definitely a top 3 player in the 2008-09 season. It was arguable for the 2011 season since most people thought Dwight was the 3rd best.

Kobe over Wade in both of these lists is a joke. Seriously. No way in hell he was better in either season.

[TheNaturalWR]

2011 Wade was better than both (although redundant with lebron)...Love is better than any other version of Wade he played with...

2011 Wade although redundant with LeBron was their best year together. They cruised through the playoffs until you know.

[HiphopRelated]

Kyrie is absolutely far and away the best pure point guard he has ever played with, but Wade is a pretty damn good playmaker in his own right. I think Kyrie will be much more willing to set up others, though, and that Blatt will find creative ways to make the spacing work, making LeBron's life easier... if he accepts it.

However, deep down, I do have a small fear that LeBron will resort to pounding the ball and becoming the team's primary ball-handler if things don't start absolutely seamlessly. He's going to have to embrace a new way of playing with Kyrie next to him. The reward could be awesome, but he's going to have to play a role that may be a bit uncomfortable at first.

It's a fascinating situation, just purely from a basketball standpoint.
LOL @ you believing Lebron is giving up the ball. The dude cannot function off ball in the half court unless he's in the post. He's always lost. Kyrie's not about to look like top anything. Wade was among the elite of the elite and his stats suffered. Kyrie is ok on a bad team, dude's about to be Mo Williams 2.0

[stalkerforlife]

- He had Wade who was great at one time, but injured for a bit.
- Bosh who isn't as good as Love.

- Irving is a TOP PG and only getting better. If Chalmers is at a 70, Irving is at least an 85.

- And the team all around has more depth and less weaknesses than the Heat had.

Where do people come up with this stuff?

[Smook A.]

In order, the best players lebron has played with


1. healthy wade

2. hobbled wade (2012)

3. kevin love

4. Bosh

5. Mo williams

6. Kyrie

7. Larry Hughes

8. prime Big Z
Current Kyrie Irving >>> Peak Mo Williams

[VengefulAngel]

Current Kyrie Irving >>> Peak Mo Williams

Nah, Peak Mo edges that battle out.

[RedBlackAttack]

Nah, Peak Mo edges that battle out.
He laughably does not. :oldlol:

I watched every game of both guys in their respective years with the Cavs. Kyrie as a rookie was better than any version of Mo Williams. Kyrie has become very underrated by a lot of people. He was a borderline All-Star as a 19-year-old rookie.

It's not close, tbh.

[moe94]

there was never a point in time in wade's career where he was a top 3 player.
:whatever:

[Fawker]

love just wants to win. but kyrie is another real deal. too young and too good for mediocre responsibilities. his stock will plummet.

[Just2McFly]

there was never a point in time in wade's career where he was a top 3 player.
:biggums:

[Nuff Said]

love just wants to win. but kyrie is another real deal. too young and too good for mediocre responsibilities. his stock will plummet.
I agree. Unless they're winning rings on rings then all the success they do get will be attributed to lebron because he most likely will get his stats by any means and kyrie's will surely take a hit and ppl will think he peaked already. I dont think this is a good position for kyrie to be in, career-wise.

[Ball So Harden]

Love and Irving are better than 2014 Wade and Bosh, but not better than 2011 and 2012 Wade and Bosh.

[TheNaturalWR]

If Kyrie develops into a 2011 Wade caliber player than the Cavs should have no problems winning a chip' in the near future. Only thing that would hold them back is if LeBron wanted to disappear a 2nd time.

[miles berg]

Wade blows anything on the Cavs roster out of the water.

[dubeta]

Wade is better but not a good fit for lebron

He's a slasher who doesnt have much of a jumper, so he cant space the floor

Irving can shoot, good passer and is a great ball handler

Irving, LeBron, and Love are more balanced

Miami big 3 was basically Wade and LeBron cancel each other out, and Bosh stands in a corner shooting jumpers

[Fawker]

how the **** does bosh get a max after the lebron era?:lol

[NZStreetBaller]

Kobe fans: Tryna prop up lebrons help as a fall back excuse if lebron wins a third ring with this team

Lebron fans: trying to tone down lebrons help as much as possible to make their favourite player seem even greater by carrying an average team to the finals in his hometown ALL HAIL LEBRON

:oldlol:

[BrownEye007]

Even when you try not to troll, you still sound stupid.

Why wasn't this guy permbanned Jeff :( same goes for dragic4 life

To answer the OP, definitely his best teammates. Wades first year with the big 3 was the only time lebrons teammate was better.
Because there's no point in banning him :confusedshrug: Dubeta, Dragic, and Lebronxrings are all the same person. I'm sure there's plenty of other accounts too.

[ImKobe]

Peak Shaq >>> both


Peak Pippen >>> both

How about Pau Gasol? Do you think Pau Gasol + Lamar Odom > Kyrie + Love?

Kobe led a team to the Finals with 0 all-stars on it and with Bynum out since January and took one of the most stacked teams to 6 games.

[dubeta]

How about Pau Gasol? Do you think Pau Gasol + Lamar Odom > Kyrie + Love?

Kobe led a team to the Finals with 0 all-stars on it and with Bynum out since January and took one of the most stacked teams to 6 games.

Dont know but I'm 100% sure that Pau gasol + Dwight Howard >>> Kyrie + Love

[ImKobe]

Dont know but I'm 100% sure that Pau gasol + Dwight Howard >>> Kyrie + Love

Oh, you mean 2013 Pau Gasol, the same guy that missed 33 games and averaged 14/9 on 47% shooting? The same Dwight Howard + Pau Gasol that got swept in the Playoffs without Kobe? Kobe had to drag that medicore supporting cast to the Playoffs with everyone getting constantly injured. Dwight Howard was nowhere near 100% the entire season and shot like crap from the FT line, costing us close games. Mike D'Antoni as the coach...please.

[OmniStrife]

Bosh is way underrated, as usual...
I fully expect him to beast again as a 1st option this year.

Also, 2010 Wade was near LeBron's level, so no.

We still need to see if Love and Irving can step up their defensive games.

[El Gato Negro]

we have the next 6 years to find out.

[beastee]

Wade is a top 25 player in NBA history. Love and Irving will never be top 100, so this is a stupid post. And I don't understand why people forget how good Bosh was going into the big three. 24/11 on a bad team is basically what Love did as well, but Bosh is a MUCH better defender. I love how Lebron stans are trying to discredit the Heat era, as if Lebron would have won without Wade & Bosh...or Allen for that matter. Pathetic.

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron will never have a teammate as good as 2011 Wade