If the Lakers traded for Bosh instead of Gasol, how many titles do you think they win

[SouBeachTalents]

Do you think they still win 2? More or less? And do you think Bosh would have had the same statistical output and impact that Gasol had?

[GODbe]

4. Kobe would've made him a better player than he was in Toronto for sure.

[dubeta]

0, Bosh wouldve basically been what Radmanovic was for the Lakers, a shooter

No 7 footer post up big = no rings for kobe

[stalkerforlife]

3 or 4.

Bosh is the best pick and roll defender in the NBA and he wouldn't quit on the team.

[navy]

0. Maybe 1 if Kobe goes nuts.

LOL Pau Gasol is extremely underrated.

[Fudge]

They'd 3peat, IMO.

[Mr.Kite]

lebron wouldn't have won in 2013 with that tip to ray

[no pun intended]

Gasol was the ideal big man for a triangle offense. It's hard to say how good Bosh would've been moving the ball to the right players at the right time.

[Kvnzhangyay]

lebron wouldn't have won in 2013 with that tip to ray

Ray wouldn't have won without that triple double from lebron :coleman:

[ImKobe]

0. Maybe 1 if Kobe goes nuts.

LOL Pau Gasol is extremely underrated.

If they trade for Bosh in 08? In Phil's system? Bosh puts up 19/10 on high efficiency. Heck, he put up 19 & 8 with having two high-usage players on the team in Lebron & Wade, he'd put up better numbers in the triangle, alongside Kobe. Bosh a better defender than Pau as well, moves better in transition (on defense). Lakers would probably be better with Bosh in Pau's place, since Bosh is also younger.

Probably win from 08-10 because Bosh would play better than Pau did in the Finals. And with Bosh still on the roster in 2012? Lakers go to the Finals that year, possibly. Pau was so bad in that OKC series, Kobe averaged 39 & 7 in the last 3 games and we still lost in 5.

People are underrating Bosh here. Bosh without Lebron, Wade > Pau without Kobe.

Bosh led his team to two Playoff appearances and won at least one game in both series while putting up good numbers. Also his scoring numbers are better than Pau's and he's a better shooter & a defender. Pau is more skilled in the post, but that's about it.

[SouBeachTalents]

lebron wouldn't have won in 2013 with that tip to ray

I guess that one rebound makes up for his pathetic 11 & 6 on 42% through the ECF & Finals, as well as his bagel in Game 7

[ImKobe]

I guess that one rebound makes up for his pathetic 11 & 6 on 42% through the ECF & Finals, as well as his bagel in Game 7

He played great defensively in Game 7. Wade and Lebron took care of the scoring.

[JT123]

0. When Bosh averages 20/10 on 54% for an entire playoff run let me know. :sleeping Long story short Pau steps up in the playoffs, while Bosh constantly vanishes.
In b4 Kobetards bring up that one rebound in game 6, as if that makes up for him being a no show in every other playoff game. :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

He played great defensively in Game 7. Wade and Lebron took care of the scoring.

How about his 11 & 6 average on 42% through the ECF & Finals?

[JT123]

He played great defensively in Game 7. Wade and Lebron took care of the scoring.
And if Lebron plays just slightly worse the Heat lose and no one gives Bosh a pass for going scoreless.

[navy]

If they trade for Bosh in 08? In Phil's system? Bosh puts up 19/10 on high efficiency. Heck, he put up 19 & 8 with having two high-usage players on the team in Lebron & Wade, he'd put up better numbers in the triangle, alongside Kobe. Bosh a better defender than Pau as well, moves better in transition (on defense). Lakers would probably be better with Bosh in Pau's place, since Bosh is also younger.

Probably win from 08-10 because Bosh would play better than Pau did in the Finals. And with Bosh still on the roster in 2012? Lakers go to the Finals that year, possibly. Pau was so bad in that OKC series, Kobe averaged 39 & 7 in the last 3 games and we still lost in 5.

Ten rebounds for Chris Bosh? Meh. The Heat were top heavy on offense. 19 points isnt alot when you only have 3 offense threats. The Lakers had about 5 guys averaging 10+. Not to mention that Gasol is such a good passer, While Bosh cant pass at all.

Bosh is only a good defender because of Spolestra's system. He is not a good man defender and he isnt a good rim protector. He wouldnt excell anywhere else. In fact, he would get burnt. As he often does as the Heat no longer have the overall intensity and speed that they use to.

Garnett would abuse Bosh worse than Gasol in 2008 as would Dwight in 2009. Honestly Pau is underrated.

[navy]

He played great defensively in Game 7. Wade and Lebron took care of the scoring.

No he didnt. Tim Duncan was abusing him.

[ImKobe]

No he didnt. Tim Duncan was abusing him.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/6/21/4452340/nba-finals-heat-spurs-chris-bosh-defense

[SouBeachTalents]

No he didnt. Tim Duncan was abusing him.

In b4 he links that SBNation article and ignores Duncan putting up 24 & 12

[JT123]

In b4 he links that SBNation article and ignores Duncan putting up 24 & 12
Too late. :lol :lol

[navy]

In b4 he links that SBNation article and ignores Duncan putting up 24 & 12
LOL, Bosh literally played like any big should. Except for the zero points of course. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Too late. :lol :lol

But I guess the facts in that article have nothing to do with Bosh's defense in Game 7. Wow, Duncan had 24 points on 18 shots. Bosh made the big plays on that series defensively and did a great job covering the pick and roll with James and Wade, that seriously neutered Parker and Ginobili, made the game-saving block on a Green 3-pt attempt in OT of Game 6, forced the TO when Heat was only up 4 with 28 seconds left.... You want to tell me Bosh didn't contribute on the defensive end in that game? I guess when your opponent takes 18 shots and makes 44% of them (big man), you did a poor job defending him, especially when we mention Tim Duncan.


24 & 12 is nothing, considering Duncan played over 43 minutes and got 8 freebies. Bosh put the clamps on Duncan in Game 2, when Duncan shot 3-13.

[SouBeachTalents]

But I guess the facts in that article have nothing to do with Bosh's defense in Game 7. Wow, Duncan had 24 points on 18 shots. Bosh made the big plays on that series defensively and did a great job covering the pick and roll with James and Wade, that seriously neutered Parker and Ginobili, made the game-saving block on a Green 3-pt attempt in OT of Game 6, forced the TO when Heat was only up 4 with 28 seconds left.... You want to tell me Bosh didn't contribute on the defensive end in that game? I guess when your opponent takes 18 shots and makes 44% of them (big man), you did a poor job defending him, especially when we mention Tim Duncan.


24 & 12 is nothing, considering Duncan played over 43 minutes and got 8 freebies. Bosh put the clamps on Duncan in Game 2, when Duncan shot 3-13.

You act like Bosh put some historic, Russell like, once in a life time shut down performance on Duncan, which is simply not the case. Duncan had at worse a below average game. And it definitely does NOT compensate for a career 19 ppg player putting up ZERO points in Game 7 of the Finals

[ImKobe]

You act like Bosh put some historic, Russell like, once in a life time shut down performance on Duncan, which is simply not the case. Duncan had at worse a below average game. And it definitely does NOT compensate for a career 19 ppg player putting up ZERO points in Game 7 of the Finals

So, you're going to use one game to define Bosh's career? He only got 28 minutes and 5 field goal attempts, 1 of them from 3. What he didn't do on the offensive end, he well made up on the defensive end, with tons of good defensive plays just from 28 minutes of gameplay.

Never once did I say he was an all-time great defender, just that he played great defense in that game, as the article supports my claim with actual proof from the game that you can't refute. Those things actually happened in Game 7. Bosh actually played that well on D for most of the series. He was brilliant defending the P&R the entire series, that led to Parker & Manu having an abysmal series. How hard is that for you to comprehend that Chris Bosh is a good team defender, and his athleticism and length can bother offenses? He's nowhere near the same class as Bill Russell, but he shows up on that end from time to time. I can't say the same thing about Pau. Pau is so bad at defending the P&R because he's so slow on his feet.

[dubeta]

Gasol was probably a top 3 interior defender from 2008-2010

[ImKobe]

Gasol was probably a top 3 interior defender from 2008-2010

Please. Maybe in the post against your average big man, I give him credit, he held his own, but top 3 interior defender is pushing things too far. He's not in the same class with Howard, KG & Duncan defensively, not from 08-10.

[artificial]

I'm thinking Lakers win less with Bosh.

Gasol arrived at what in retrospective looks like the perfect moment. His game had matured and he wasn't old, and he was absolutely desperate for winning. He showed an incredible drive to win and do anything that he could, while willing to sacrifice for the W... and at that point in his career there were many, many things he could do.

Ability wise I think Bosh could perform at a similar level. Without looking at stats both were holding their own being the pillars of not so good franchises. But I never saw the drive that Gasol displayed in LAL from Bosh, neither in Toronto or even Miami.

Again, I think Bosh is slightly above Gasol in terms of skill. In my eyes it's the attitude that separates them, and that's extremely subjective.

That's what was so frustrating about watching Gasol this past couple of years. You could tell that his drive to win wasn't nearly on the same level as it was before.

[Nowitness]

lakers win nothing. unless you kobe stans want to admit bosh would be better than kobe, because thats exactly what Gasol was when they won the 2 titles.

also, bosh played great d on duncan? the dude was the best performer on his team at like 38 years old. :roll: :roll: :roll:

gasol is super underrated by teenage kobe fans. is it any coincidence that as soon as he got their the lakers stopped losing in round 1?

[boozehound]

probably zero. Pau was a much better fit IMO. Their best lineups were LO and him. Think about bosh and LO as your frontcourt.

[GrapeApe]

I'm thinking Lakers win less with Bosh.

Gasol arrived at what in retrospective looks like the perfect moment. His game had matured and he wasn't old, and he was absolutely desperate for winning. He showed an incredible drive to win and do anything that he could, while willing to sacrifice for the W... and at that point in his career there were many, many things he could do.

Ability wise I think Bosh could perform at a similar level. Without looking at stats both were holding their own being the pillars of not so good franchises. But I never saw the drive that Gasol displayed in LAL from Bosh, neither in Toronto or even Miami.

Again, I think Bosh is slightly above Gasol in terms of skill. In my eyes it's the attitude that separates them, and that's extremely subjective.

That's what was so frustrating about watching Gasol this past couple of years. You could tell that his drive to win wasn't nearly on the same level as it was before.

Good post and interesting take. Bosh is probably the more individually talented player, but Gasol was the perfect fit on those Laker teams for many of the reasons you mentioned.

[Optimus Prime]

Maybe 1. Gasol was the perfect compliment to Kobe, Phil and the Triangle.

Bosh is a dinosaur and...? :confusedshrug:

[Hoopz2332]

Zero. Are we forgetting how great Gasol was? he was giving KG the business, someone who Bosh struggled against. Gasol locked up beast mode version of Dwight, someone who would have destroyed Bosh.

[mehyaM24]

outside shot with '11 bosh. kobe isn't winning anything with the bosh we've seen the last 3 seasons.

[kennethgriffin]

0. Maybe 1 if Kobe goes nuts.

LOL Pau Gasol is extremely underrated.

0-16 is underrated?


what if bosh was 0-16 in the playoffs without lebron

oh thats right. no other player in nba history has a worse playoff record as #1 option

[kennethgriffin]

and by the time bosh is retired he'l be a 15 time nba allstar


gasol = 4 allstar games <-------------------------ROFL

[SouBeachTalents]

and by the time bosh is retired he'l be a 15 time nba allstar


gasol = 4 allstar games <-------------------------ROFL

Using all-star selections as an actual metric of judging players is completely idiotic. We both know Bosh wouldn't have close to 9 all-star appearances had he been playing in the West

[navy]

0-16 is underrated?


what if bosh was 0-16 in the playoffs without lebron

oh thats right. no other player in nba history has a worse playoff record as #1 option



Bosh is 3-8 and he has only been in the playoffs TWICE in Toronto while playing in the East. Get out here with that shit.

[Magic 32]

Bosh is 3-8 and he has only been in the playoffs TWICE in Toronto while playing in the East. Get out here with that shit.

0-16 is still 0-16.

[navy]

0-16 is still 0-16.

Getting swept in the first round is still better than not making it at all.

[aj1987]

He played great defensively in Game 7. Wade and Lebron took care of the scoring.
The same Game 7 in which Duncan put up 24/12/4/2/1? Dude was garbage in the '13 Playoffs. Seriously though, a $20M player scoring 0/7/2/1 on 0-5 shooting and letting the opposition center score 24/12/4/2/1? :oldlol: :oldlol:


Getting swept in the first round is still better than not making it at all.
According to Kobeturds, it's better not to make the Playoffs, than make it and lose.

[SouBeachTalents]

The same Game 7 in which Duncan put up 24/12/4/2/1? Dude was garbage in the '13 Playoffs. Seriously though, a $20M player scoring 0/7/2/1 on 0-5 shooting and letting the opposition center score 24/12/4/2/1? :oldlol: :oldlol:


According to Kobeturds, it's better not to make the Playoffs, than make it and lose.

Lol, don't even bother. Just because one site shows him making a couple of good defensive plays in that game, this apparently absolves him completely of his terrible 2013 playoff run, his zero point showing in the biggest game of his career, and sweeps Duncan's 24 & 12 in that game completely under the rug.

[HOoopCityJones]

You Bosh Witch Hunters are hilarious.

Now ya wanna act like playing next to Lebron stat hogging ass didn't severely skew Bosh's numbers? He can put up what Pau did during the 2-peat if not better.

I can't wait til he plays with Kevin Love , alot these fools are gonna get exposed. Because as soon as his numbers plummet, we'll see all of the very same "experts" and "Objective" cool boys claim how weak he is as a player.

Just buckle up , because here they go.

[Eat Like A Bosh]

I think they'll get 1 title inevitably.

[jzek]

Zero. SRS.

[boozehound]

You Bosh Witch Hunters are hilarious.

Now ya wanna act like playing next to Lebron stat hogging ass didn't severely skew Bosh's numbers? He can put up what Pau did during the 2-peat if not better.

I can't wait til he plays with Kevin Love , alot these fools are gonna get exposed. Because as soon as his numbers plummet, we'll see all of the very same "experts" and "Objective" cool boys claim how weak he is as a player.

Just buckle up , because here they go.
very weird that people act like lebron (a super efficient scorer) would cause such a decline in someone's stats, but playing next to kobe (a relatively inefficient scorer) is somehow going to provide tons of extra touches for them......

[ArbitraryWater]

0.... With the 2012 and 2013 Bosh version?

0....

Bosh gets abused on defense in the post, outrebounded by the back up center in half the minutes while making one 3 a game...

Bosh stayed scoreless in the damn finals game 7... How's Kobe winning in 2010 with Gasol/Bosh staying scoreless? Impossibru..


I don't blame Kobe either. Bosh isn't a 2nd option to contend with. A star would be.

ISH, where guys still overblow stats on teams that don't go anywhere with no pressure and the green light... :facepalm

[HOoopCityJones]

very weird that people act like lebron (a super efficient scorer) would cause such a decline in someone's stats, but playing next to kobe (a relatively inefficient scorer) is somehow going to provide tons of extra touches for them......

:roll:

Kobe brought out the best in Pau bruh, just wait and watch him stink up the joint in Chicago without Kobe in his ear.

Also, you didn't refute my statement , Pau's numbers went up playing next to "ballhog" Kobe. It's a proven fact that big men don't get theirs playing next to Bron. Proven fact.

[Heavincent]

Probably 2

[boozehound]

:roll:

Kobe brought out the best in Pau bruh, just wait and watch him stink up the joint in Chicago without Kobe in his ear.

Also, you didn't refute my statement , Pau's numbers went up playing next to "ballhog" Kobe. It's a proven fact that big men don't get theirs playing next to Bron. Proven fact.
I love that you put ballhog in quotes, as if it was something I said. I agree that kobe brought out the best in Pau, which is why they won titles together.