US about to bomb syria again

[zoom17]

This time to bomb ISIS in north Syria and helping Assad can you say awkward:lol

[chosen_one6]

Each bomb costing more than a thousand college educations

[Boarder Patrol]

Each bomb costing more than a thousand college educations

Yes, since it's the governments place to pay for our college :facepalm

[Nick Young]

Assad was right!

ISIS GTFO!

[chosen_one6]

Yes, since it's the governments place to pay for our college :facepalm

Not everyone is fortunate enough to afford tuition fees and books. Not to mention all of the facilities, supplies, and extra tutors and teachers that could be used in all grades to further our countries education.

But having an educated public isn't beneficial to the United States. They might realize how corrupt the politicians and the system are. And that's bad for business.

[oh the horror]

Fck outta here with your scared of the government conspiracy bullshit

Go get your own, no one gonna hold you back but yourself

Cryin bitch ass while America is trying to save the world



Save the world while our own country continues to hemorrhage money for bombs and more military equipment "saving the world" while simultaneously funding the very boogeyman we end up having to deal with later.

[Boarder Patrol]

Not everyone is fortunate enough to afford tuition fees and books. Not to mention all of the facilities, supplies, and extra tutors and teachers that could be used in all grades to further our countries education.

But having an educated public isn't beneficial to the United States. They might realize how corrupt the politicians and the system are. And that's bad for business.

Sorry, if you want a country where everything is handed to you, go somewhere else. Not the government's job (well, it shoudln't be) to give so many handouts.

You can't protect individual liberty while receiving everything in your life for free.

[tomtucker]

why can

[oh the horror]

Not the governments job to give handouts...


You're all aware that we give handouts to other countries, namely Israel right?!

[chosen_one6]

Fck outta here with your scared of the government conspiracy bullshit

Go get your own, no one gonna hold you back but yourself

Cryin bitch ass while America is trying to save the world

I work and go to school, so I get mines. Don't know what the f*ck you're talking about son.

Providing a free education isn't handing anyone anything. It's servicing our country so that we can have a better economy in the future. More educated people = more higher paying jobs = more money flow. It's not rocket science. But dummies like you and that other idiot are going to continue to hold this country back with their selfish attitudes. That's why we can't get any real shit done in this country because everyone wants to get their own and give the middle finger to everyone else. No one wants to look out for one another anymore.

But let's continue to pour money into the military that we so desperately need. Policing the world and flexing our muscles, while defending our "freedom" against "enemies of the free world" is much more important.

[MavsSuperFan]

This time to bomb ISIS in north Syria and helping Assad can you say awkward:lol
Has the US ever bombed syria before?

[chosen_one6]

America ain't ever gonna have problems with anyone when you look at our track record. Were mo fukn real life super heroes. We need a favor, the worlds got our back. You're talking about selfish while we defend humanity all over the world, at the expense of educations that are way too fcking overpriced. It's a scam.

Yeah I don't wanna "look out for one another", I don't give a shit about you or other strangers. People have friends and family, that's who look out for one another. America holds yourself responsible, if you wanna succeed, all the tools for success are available to you the only obstacle being yourself.

No one is stuck in America. You get your own. There's countless examples of individuals who started with nothing and became something significant.

:roll:

Exhibit A of typical American arrogance and stupidity.

Education is a scam and overpriced? Yet the military industrial complex is not? Someone at some point fed you a crock of shit. You need to educate yourself son.

[Nanners]

Yes, since it's the governments place to pay for our college :facepalm

yeah they government shouldnt pay for college.... they should only use their money for important things, like tax cuts for the rich and paying for bombs and weapons to arm foreign terrorists.

[chosen_one6]

http://youtu.be/7R5A0pg4oN8

Keep being scared of where you live douchebag

Mercia fck yeah

K, now I'm not sure if you're really that ignorant or you're just a troll.

G'day to you sir.

[MavsSuperFan]

Not the governments job to give handouts...


You're all aware that we give handouts to other countries, namely Israel right?!
foreign aid is a very insignificant portion of government spending.

http://www.oxfamamerica.org/explore/research-publications/foreign-aid-101/

[QUOTE]Foreign aid contributes to global poverty reduction, helps protect basic rights and liberties, and benefits America

[MavsSuperFan]

It would be nice if the government provided education options that were afordable.

[QUOTE]The United States has one of the most expensive higher education systems in the world.[3][4] Public colleges have no control over one major revenue source

[chosen_one6]

I'm a working class American who's proud as fcking hell of his nation

Also known as sheep

[KevinNYC]

Has the US ever bombed syria before?

Nope.

Not according to this Google Search.

OP just mis-rembering shit.

[zoom17]

Nope.

Not according to this Google Search.

OP just mis-rembering shit.

I was referring that this is the second time US is considering bombing Syria the first being over the so called "red line" the irony this time is that they will be helping Assad:lol

[masonanddixon]

Yes, since it's the governments place to pay for our college :facepalm

In nearly every other country besides America it is the case.

[Meticode]

Each bomb costing more than a thousand college educations
Go to France, college is free. Taxes pay for it.

[zoom17]

Has the US ever bombed syria before?

I was referring that this is the second time US is considering bombing Syria the first being over the so called "red line" the irony this time is that they will be helping Assad

[MavsSuperFan]

In nearly every other country besides America it is the case.

factually inaccurate.


There are 196 countries in the world today. Taiwan is not considered an official country by many, which would bring the count down to 195 countries. Although Taiwan operates as an independent country, many countries (including the U.S.) do not officially recognize it as one

The vast majority of these countries university/college level education is not provided for by governments.

What you mean in nearly every other first world or highly developed country.

[Nanners]

factually inaccurate.



The vast majority of these countries university/college level education is not provided for by governments.

What you mean in nearly every other first world or highly developed country.

thanks for clearing up that up for us mr pedantic, cause we all thought he was saying that the etheopian govt pays for college :rolleyes:

[KevinNYC]

I was referring that this is the second time US is considering bombing Syria the first being over the so called "red line" the irony this time is that they will be helping Assad:lol
Except that is not what you wrote.

That "so called red line" resulted in Syria Chemcial Weapons being destroyed and the international taboo on Chemcial Weapons upheld.

i guess you missed this announcement from the Organization to Prevent Chemical Weapons?. (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28770793)


The international chemical weapons watchdog says that all the precursor chemicals for sarin gas removed from Syria have been destroyed.

The 580 tonnes of chemicals were neutralised on board a specially built American ship in the Mediterranean Sea.

and this announcement from the OPCW?

In an unprecedented undertaking, the U.S. Maritime Vessel Cape Ray has completed destruction of its entire consignment of 600 metric tonnes of Category 1 chemicals from the Syrian Arab Republic. This ends a crucial stage in the complex international maritime operation to remove and destroy Syria’s chemical weapons stockpile. I wish to congratulate and thank the United States, the crew aboard the Cape Ray, and our OPCW inspectors and demilitarisation experts for this remarkable achievement.
The Cape Ray’s consignment included the most dangerous chemicals in Syria’s arsenal: 581 metric tonnes of DF, a binary precursor for sarin gas, and 19.8 metric tonnes of ready-to-use sulfur mustard (HD). They were neutralised with two Field Deployable Hydrolysis Systems (FDHS) on the Cape Ray, which reduced their toxicity by 99.9 percent in line with the requirements of the Chemical Weapons Convention.
Furthermore, the operation was successfully completed weeks ahead of the 60-day schedule the U.S. had estimated would be needed, and OPCW inspectors aboard the ship verified that no chemicals of any kind escaped into the sea or otherwise impacted the environment. The Cape Ray will now transport the effluent from the hydrolysis operations to Finland and Germany, where it will be offloaded for disposal at land-based facilities.

[KevinNYC]

You also don't seem to understand the dynamics going on in Syria. Destroying ISIS doesn't help Assad. There's a reason Assad has never bombed ISIS headquarters in Raqqa or why he does oil business with them. (http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/08/22/should-the-us-work-with-assad-to-fight-isis/assad-has-never-fought-isis-before) This cartoon sums it up nicely.



http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/rBE4db-SJluHNnCbBa7wpb6A7kk=/1250x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/666774/iranwire_cartoon_assad.0.jpg

[zoom17]

^ You left out how close the US was to bombing Syria if it wasn't for Putin steeping offering a plan instead of bombing without any real evidence that the Syrian government did the attack. Putin saved Obama ass right there.

[zoom17]

You also don't seem to understand the dynamics going on in Syria. Destroying ISIS doesn't help Assad. There's a reason Assad has never bombed ISIS headquarters in Raqqa or why he does oil business with them. (http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/08/22/should-the-us-work-with-assad-to-fight-isis/assad-has-never-fought-isis-before)

http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/rBE4db-SJluHNnCbBa7wpb6A7kk=/1250x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/666774/iranwire_cartoon_assad.0.jpg


Assad does bomb and fight ISIS get you propaganda out of here.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ae7_1408354819

http://www.albawaba.com/main-headlines/isis-syria-597435

[zoom17]

Also KevinNYC Syrian army recently killed over 50 isis members in AL Raqqh including the ISIS press officer the one who declared to raise the Islamic flag on the white house.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/22/1408669062602_wps_1_JUST_IN_ISIS_spokesman_Ab.jpg

waiting on you're response.

[Nanners]

waiting on you're response.

no doubt kevin is furiously browsing cnn.com for an article he can copy+paste his response from

[zoom17]

no doubt kevin is furiously browsing cnn.com for an article he can copy+paste his response from

:oldlol:

[KevinNYC]

^ You left out how close the US was to bombing Syria if it wasn't for Putin steeping offering a plan instead of bombing without any real evidence that the Syrian government did the attack. Putin saved Obama ass right there.

Again, you have zero clue.

The US wanted to bomb Syria over its proven use of chemical weapons. And the case against Syria only got stronger and stronger since August 2013. When Syria gave up its prohibited chemicals to the OPCW, it gave up 165,000 pounds of a chemical that was not prohibited and can be used for other things. More significantly it was never known to be used in the production or Sarin. By Syria giving this up they were declaring that they used this chemical in the weapons program.

Even more significantly, the UN found this chemical in all the Sarin samples it collected from the Ghouta attack.

When Russia determined that we we serious about the issue being the use of chemical weapons and not using that as a way to remove Assad, they realized a deal could be had. And they did it not for Obama's sake, of course, but for Assad's sake.

And everybody knows this history, so why would I need to include it? Most folks realize we didn't bomb Syria then. Except you.

Edit: You and Nanners

[Godzuki]

why don't u all blame the colleges instead of our government for raising their tuitions and raping the shit out of people to add huge gyms, ampitheaters, fancy buildings, and all kinds of stupid shit that isn't a necessity for a education?

everyone wants to blame the government for everything, when we're killing mf'ers that need to be killed. we're doing YOU a favor, thats right foreigners, your governments are too weak or pooosey these days to take on the evils of the world, but since we're the Super Heroes of the world its our job...with great power comes great responsibility, its our burden :pimp:

and i swear ISH has this retard sympathy movement for radical muslims going on, or this ignore them mentality, always low key trying to justify them between a few posters constantly, who are always trying to hate on our government. its like some of u are in that UK muslim bubble and sympathizing with them but doing it in a passive aggressive way.

i'll never get anyone who thinks us killing these horrible mf'ers is some waste of $$$. i get if troops were involved, but people crying over the cost of bombs? lol gimme a break :facepalm


Also Syria/Bashir is willing to work with the UN now, but not specifically just the U.S....he/they still hate us, they're just desperate since ISIS took over a air base.

[zoom17]

Still didn't prove Syrian government were the ones reasonable in the attack the rebels had all to gain from the attack. It was the part excuse to bomb Syria.Most people were against the attack yet Obama was focused on bombing Syria.


http://antiwar.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/UnilateralIntervention_090913.jpg

[KevinNYC]

Still didn't prove Syrian government were the ones reasonable in the attack the rebels had all to gain from the attack.

This was nonsense a year ago and just stupid now. I speciifcally didn't name the chemical the Syria declared because you wouldn't believe it anyway.

Any way, the reality is that after Syria was forced to give up its sarin, it started to take chemicals that are not strictly used for weapons and started putting them in their barrel bombs and dropping them on civilians. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10796150/Syria-chemical-weapons-how-the-Telegraph-found-evidence-of-chlorine-and-ammonia-gas-bombs.html) Since the rebels don't have an air force, it's pretty clear who is using these barrel bombs



Here's the Wikipedia list of Syria barrel bomb attacks. The vast majority were in Aleppo where ISIS isn't.

[ace23]

thanks for clearing up that up for us mr pedantic, cause we all thought he was saying that the etheopian govt pays for college :rolleyes:
:roll:

[CNNonceAgain]

no doubt kevin is furiously browsing cnn.com for an article he can copy+paste his response from
http://i.imgur.com/dhMeAzK.gif

[AintNoSunshine]

Each bomb costing more than a thousand college educations


Might as well sell your computer and donate whatever you get, probably feeds 20 African kids for a year.

[JohnFreeman]

http://i.imgur.com/s2aZVdv.jpg

[NumberSix]

http://i.imgur.com/s2aZVdv.jpg
Lmao. This can't possibly be real. :roll:

[JohnFreeman]

Lmao. This can't possibly be real. :roll:
Look for the uncensored. It gets better.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Not everyone is fortunate enough to afford tuition fees and books. Not to mention all of the facilities, supplies, and extra tutors and teachers that could be used in all grades to further our countries education.

But having an educated public isn't beneficial to the United States. They might realize how corrupt the politicians and the system are. And that's bad for business.
Ain't even no jobs, fck free education.

[NumberSix]

Look for the uncensored. It gets better.
No, what I mean is that must be like a joke made by Americans or something. There's no way these people actually have anything to do with ISIS.

[JohnFreeman]

No, what I mean is that must be like a joke made by Americans or something. There's no way these people actually have anything to do with ISIS.
Well ISIS arent going to shit on their own flag

[NumberSix]

Well ISIS arent going to shit on their own flag
Omg. Is that what they're doing? :roll:

[JohnFreeman]

Omg. Is that what they're doing? :roll:
and period. Just right click the pic and search in google

[Godzuki]

The United States is using the "threat of ISIS" as an excuse to engage Assad and the secular/multi-cultural Syrian Government into war.

ISIS hasnt just become a "threat" over night. It has been a threat since the beggining of the Western backed "revolution" against Assad. Its always been the most organised, well trained and well funded opposition in the country.........and all thanks to America and its Saudis allies. It has been massacring thousands of Syrians through torture, suicide bombings, and terrorism for the last 3 years. The only reason we had no idea about them was because CNN , BBC and Al Jazeera werent calling them "ISIS" at the time, they were calling them "Democratic Freedom Loving Revolutionaries".

Just cast your minds back to last year when they were accusing Assad of killing his own people with chemical weapons. Everyone knew this was a blatant lie, just like in Iraq, but the media and various Western governments still went along with it. Now in hindsight who do you think would have used these weapons? Could it not be the crazy ass mofos that are all over the news now?

The only reason America has changed its tune on ISIS now is because ISIS have established control in the richest oil areas of Iraq (Kurdistan). Although the United States may have militarily left the country, they still control all the oil and resources in this region of the country. Now that these resources are threatened America has jumped onto the "TERRORIST ISIS" parade.

They will use the excuse of "fighting terrorism", to once again militarily intervene in Iraq. Their ultimate aim however is to invade Syria (Its intention since the beginning). They will use the troubles in Iraq as a pretext to do this, and it will further mess shit up. Americas interests arent to help out here. Its interests are to cause instability so these Arabs continue slaughtering each other until there is nothing left, and then the Americans will come in and pick up the pieces. Divide and Conquer my friends.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

So to make it easier for people to understand. This is Americas foreign policy on ISIS.

In Syria : Freedom fighters since 2011
In Iraq : Islamic Jihadist Terrorists

you're so clueless and stupid it makes me laff :facepalm

and to think u have a degree in international studies without trying to pursue truth is pretty fukking pitiful.

i swear you're educated by some Islamic mosque or Youtube Conspiracy University.

[Godzuki]

*Laugh

Im a Serb. Were the least likely to be educated by anything Islamic. Weve been hating Islam since longer than America has existed.


i was thinking you lived in Australia or something. think they have a Islamic movement going there, right? i remember someone saying something here about that altho i don't really know :confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

you're so clueless and stupid it makes me laff :facepalm

and to think u have a degree in international studies without trying to pursue truth is pretty fukking pitiful.

i swear you're educated by some Islamic mosque or Youtube Conspiracy University.
He's actually not wrong.

Many people were pissed that the US was supporting Al Qaeda (ISIS was an Al Qaeda offshoot at the time) against the Assad government. ISIS was putting out videos of themselves beheading people and eating there hearts (Seriously, not an exaggeration).

[Godzuki]

*Laugh

Im a Serb. Were the least likely to be educated by anything Islamic. We've been hating on Islam since longer than America has existed. Just like usual though you show you lack of education and awareness of anything to do with history, geography or politics.

PS. How do you get so much time to post on this forum. Shouldnt you be at summer school? High school starts next week braaaaaaa


did u even look up what i schooled u on about ISIS initially being moderate? i guess that goes against your agenda that the US is so evil and out for themselves.

don't let reality get in the way of your dumbass preconceived internet retard conspiracy notions tho :cheers:

i swear there aren't dumber MF'ers on the internet than the everything conspiracy retards. this place has some really dumb ones tbh.

[Godzuki]

He's actually not wrong.

Many people were pissed that the US was supporting Al Qaeda (ISIS was an Al Qaeda offshoot at the time) against the Assad government. ISIS was putting out videos of themselves beheading people and eating there hearts (Seriously, not an exaggeration).


we knew they had extremist elements but they were more moderate than they are now. thats why we only armed them with light weapons. read up on it. actually just google 'Mccain aid syrian rebels doctor'.

extremists took over the movement when we didn't give them what they wanted in support. but u guys constantly reinvent reality/history here to paint revisionist history.

[code green]

you're so clueless and stupid it makes me laff :facepalm

and to think u have a degree in international studies without trying to pursue truth is pretty fukking pitiful.

i swear you're educated by some Islamic mosque or Youtube Conspiracy University.

From a Syrian-American...he's dead on.

[Godzuki]

From a Syrian-American...he's dead on.


no he's not. i followed it when it all happened, and you can even google it to know.

also i'm pretty sure Obama refused to give them missile launchers because he was worried they were going to shoot down a civilian plane...which came out with the Malaysian airllines tragedy(russia arming their rebels).

and again we were reluctant to support them due to their extremist elements. you'd know this if u followed it during that time.

[NumberSix]

we knew they had extremist elements but they were more moderate than they are now. thats why we only armed them with light weapons. read up on it. actually just google 'Mccain aid syrian rebels doctor'.

extremists took over the movement when we didn't give them what they wanted in support. but u guys constantly reinvent reality/history here to paint revisionist history.
People need to accept reality. In the Middle East, dictators are the only thing that stands in the way of extremist islamic groups. Every single time a Middle Eastern dictator goes, he's replaced by an extremist islamic government.

[Godzuki]

You didnt school anyone on anything. ISIS were never "moderate". Their name stands for "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant". How the hell can that be moderate when theyre preaching for a united "Islamic State" to control not only Iraq but also the Levant (Lebanon/Syria/Jordan). Do you realise these countries all have significant non-muslim and non-Sunni minorities? The only reason you say they are/were moderate is because thats what your government and their puppets in the media told you. Do you not remember them saying the same thing about the Taliban and Al Quaeda? Have you never watched RAMBO where Stallone is fighting side by side with Al Quaeda? :oldlol: :oldlol:

Youre so dumb you dont realise that its not these groups who are changing their philosophies and doctrine. Its your government changing the picture they give to their people on these groups.

America, like all countries, is looking out for its own interests. Every major (and minor) power does has done this through out history. Its basic International Relations 1.0 : the theory of Realism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realism_(international_relations)


so what do we hope to accomplish for ourselves by helping Iraqi's against ISIS atrocities?

what do we hope to accomplish for ourselves by helping Ukraine keep their sovereignty over Russia? getting involved in the airlines tragedy?

what do we hope to accomplish for ourselves by always being the middle men taking front and center to create peace between Israel and Palestine?

why didn't we take Iraq's oil? Afghanistan's metals? what exactly have we really done for ourselves in the last 10-15 years despite getting involved with so much....other than killing/chasing terrorists around the world?

i'd love to know the answers to this stuff because at home a lot of people are pissed we get invovled since it costs us money, but u foreigners swear we're making out like bandits.

[Godzuki]

People need to accept reality. In the Middle East, dictators are the only thing that stands in the way of extremist islamic groups. Every single time a Middle Eastern dictator goes, he's replaced by an extremist islamic government.


no, people need to stop having retarded agendas and be straight up.

sure that is what has happened, and i'm not disagreeing, but that is not original intentions.

as i've said before intention doesn't always equal outcome/hindsight revisionist guilt trips.

[NumberSix]

so what do we hope to accomplish for ourselves by helping Iraqi's against ISIS atrocities?

what do we hope to accomplish for ourselves by helping Ukraine keep their sovereignty over Russia? getting involved in the airlines tragedy?

what do we hope to accomplish for ourselves by always being the middle men taking front and center to create peace between Israel and Palestine?

why didn't we take Iraq's oil? Afghanistan's metals? what exactly have we really done for ourselves in the last 10-15 years despite getting involved with so much....other than killing/chasing terrorists around the world?

i'd love to know the answers to this stuff because at home a lot of people are pissed we get invovled since it costs us money, but u foreigners swear we're making out like bandits.
What I want to know is.....

Is there something wrong with all those fighter jets and weapons the US has given to Israel? This is their neck of the woods. Why can't they do something about this? I'm always hearing how Israel is such a crucial ally in the region. What exactly does Israel do? Why can't they do us all a solid and take care of this one?

[RidonKs]

what a total mess....

[Godzuki]

I quit. I quit I quit I quit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ4yZ3OsoRs


u should learn, learn, learn...instead of insisting on some retard agenda that isn't even true, or u can back up.

at least u didn't link a youtube conspiracy video, i was thinking that was definitely going to be one :lol

why do so many people on the internet especially have so many agendas but so little practical truth or reality to their thoughts/ideas? people just can't keep shit real, and always have to believe/push their agendas on the internet for some reason, and u can never talk sense into them :facepalm

[code green]

no he's not. i followed it when it all happened, and you can even google it to know.

also i'm pretty sure Obama refused to give them missile launchers because he was worried they were going to shoot down a civilian plane...which came out with the Malaysian airllines tragedy(russia arming their rebels).

and again we were reluctant to support them due to their extremist elements. you'd know this if u followed it during that time.

I don't need to google anything. I can give you a first hand approach at a relative of mine being held at gunpoint, robbed, and kicked out of his house because of the fact that he was a Christian. This was a year ago, when the so-called "moderates" were the ones leading the revolution. We should have been helping Assad a long time ago.

But keep telling yourself CNN is reporting the news better than the Syrian people.

[RidonKs]

I quit. I quit I quit I quit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ4yZ3OsoRs
it's hopeless man. he is not interested in hearing new facts, researching their legitimacy, and if they're legitimate, incorporating them into his understanding.

he's just interested in winning arguments online about "important shit".

it's a shame he's as arrogant and aggressive on here because it leaves a stain on the average ish user interested in political issues. i've learned that nick young and godzuki are best ignored. nobody is going to convince them of anything because they aren't interested in changing their mind.

[NumberSix]

it's hopeless man. he is not interested in hearing new facts, researching their legitimacy, and if they're legitimate, incorporating them into his understanding.

he's just interested in winning arguments online about "important shit".

it's a shame he's as arrogant and aggressive on here because it leaves a stain on the average ish user interested in political issues. i've learned that nick young and godzuki are best ignored. nobody is going to convince them of anything because they aren't interested in changing their mind.
His entire point seems to be "The US sided with the rebels, but the creation of ISIS wasn't their intention, so it doesn't count".

[Godzuki]

I don't need to google anything. I can give you a first hand approach at a relative of mine being held at gunpoint, robbed, and kicked out of his house because of the fact that he was a Christian. This was a year ago, when the so-called "moderates" were the ones leading the revolution. We should have been helping Assad a long time ago.

But keep telling yourself CNN is reporting the news better than the Syrian people.


one isolated case and u know everything :facepalm

news coverage reports a lot more widespread than just what one person see's. its like watching local news vs what you see around you daily. its shockking how much shit happens in your area and everywhere around you when you do.

keep pretending u know more than keeping up with current events in your little bubble.

and like i said we always knew they had extremist elements to their cause but they were led by more moderates at that time. it does not change what i say, in fact there were different groups all fighthing against the Syrian government. but they WERE NOT the current extremist version of ISIS period.

[Godzuki]

it's hopeless man. he is not interested in hearing new facts, researching their legitimacy, and if they're legitimate, incorporating them into his understanding.

he's just interested in winning arguments online about "important shit".

it's a shame he's as arrogant and aggressive on here because it leaves a stain on the average ish user interested in political issues. i've learned that nick young and godzuki are best ignored. nobody is going to convince them of anything because they aren't interested in changing their mind.

like i said you're a complete idiot here because everything you say is always vague, and this pretension u can prove thigns but never do. thats your style.

you're a anti US conspiracy retard at the core but can't ever prove shit. go ahead and prove to me evereything we've took then, but my guess is you're going to say some shit like "i can but..." or give a handful of links from some youtube conspiracy retard video lol. none of you can never be point blank direct.

i'm way more read in terms of current events for a long time than all of you but u all swear u know everything from these dumbass conspiracy notions.

[Godzuki]

His entire point seems to be "The US sided with the rebels, but the creation of ISIS wasn't their intention, so it doesn't count".


damn you're one shallow mf'er :facepalm

i'm pretty sure i said during the time we helped the rebels and ONLY armed them with light weapons was when they were more moderate WITH extremist elements. which is why we ONLY armed them with light weapons. i think i've stated this a few times and told u dumbass agenda foreigners to even google it to educate yourselves but all of you are so reluctant to do that because it doesn't fit your agenda.

my point about hindsight revisionist history vs original intentions apply to most of the stupid guilt trips you want to throw on us like we TRY to create cruel dictators and movements which is so retarded its not even funny :facepalm

it doesn't even make sense. we're a lot more altruistic than you dumbass's want to paint us, but its pretty obvious if any of you follow current events over your make up agendas,.

just so much stupidity here and you all swear you're so educated. its hilariously pitiful tbh.

[RidonKs]

like i said you're a complete idiot here because everything you say is always vague, and this pretension u can prove thigns but never do. thats your style.

you're a anti US conspiracy retard at the core but can't ever prove shit. go ahead and prove to me evereything we've took then, but my guess is you're going to say some shit like "i can but..." or give a handful of links from some youtube conspiracy retard video lol. none of you can never be point blank direct.

i'm way more read in terms of current events for a long time than all of you but u all swear u know everything from these dumbass conspiracy notions.

and in the last thread you told me that, i linked five different posts i've made on politics in the past month, all long and detailed and fact-oriented. not all of them include sources but if there is any piece of information you would like me to cite, i'd be happy to do it.

i said all that.

of course you never responded. because the charge you're leveling against me is that i'm vague and idiotic and conspiratorial. that's what you believe. and as i said, no matter what evidence is presented to you, you have no interest in changing your mind and refuse to give it a cursory look.

and the same thing will happen immediately after i make this post. it's quite a fascinating process in fact watching you scamper away to "more important" topics and refuse to back up your claims.

and who cares if i'm vague? well nobody should. but i'm interested since i am, in fact, me. and you called me a tin foil wrapped nutbag that hates america. or at least that's approximately the insult that gets thrown my way from your ilk.

if you want me to re-link those long posts you certainly never bothered to read, i can do that for you. you can tell me in what way its vague and in what way its incomprehensible and in what way i ignore facts on the ground.... i think you'll have a hard time doing any of that.

[RidonKs]

Are you Nick Young and his husbands adopted Korean baby? Yall sound alike. Nicks the one on the left obviously.

http://americanmovements.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/modern-family.jpg
:lol

[code green]

one isolated case and u know everything :facepalm

news coverage reports a lot more widespread than just what one person see's. its like watching local news vs what you see around you daily. its shockking how much shit happens in your area and everywhere around you when you do.

keep pretending u know more than keeping up with current events in your little bubble.

and like i said we always knew they had extremist elements to their cause but they were led by more moderates at that time. it does not change what i say, in fact there were different groups all fighthing against the Syrian government. but they WERE NOT the current extremist version of ISIS period.

The moderates lost control a long, long time ago. I doubt they had it for more than a month to begin with.

Trust me, I have much more than one story, most of which you can verify with US news. Bishops being kidnapped and tortured, churches being decimated, statues of Jesus being beheaded, public executions, etc.

I'm not someone arguing just for arguments' sake. I usually agree with a lot of shit you say, including on the rioting in Ferguson. It's something that's personal to me, because lost in all of this Assad vs the Muslim Brotherhood bullshit is the voice of the Syrian Christians, who just want to be left alone in peace. And they were until the uprising started.

[RidonKs]

all of this Assad vs the Muslim Brotherhood bullshit is the voice of the Syrian Christians
the muslim brotherhood is not the primary foe of assad. it lost most of its power in syria years ago in a violent conflict against the elder assad. it is relevant in the current situation there but nowhere close to the extent of its power in egypt following the arab spring. at this point it's only loosely affiliated with the egyptian brotherhood.

[code green]

the muslim brotherhood is not the primary foe of assad. it lost most of its power in syria years ago in a violent conflict against the elder assad. it is relevant in the current situation there but nowhere close to the extent of its power in egypt following the arab spring. at this point it's only loosely affiliated with the egyptian brotherhood.

Probably a bad choice of words. I meant it as a general term defining radical Sunni Muslims.

[Nick Young]

Are you Nick Young and his husbands adopted Korean baby? Yall sound alike. Nicks the one on the left obviously.

http://americanmovements.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/modern-family.jpg
you made bro?:roll: :roll: :roll:

[RidonKs]

Probably a bad choice of words. I meant it as a general term defining radical Sunni Muslims.
that's fair and i agreed with the rest of your post.

but my more general point is that these organizations are different. al qaeda is not isis is not hamas is not the brotherhood is not the ayatollah is not al shabaab is not arab spring protesters and so on and so forth.

i'm not saying you don't understand that fact, but these organizations, with their minor differences and often geographically and ideologically completely disassociation from one another, far too often get lumped into a single group. you know the catchwords too, i'm sure.

terrorists. extremists. islamists. etc

and as a courtesy to anybody who might be reading this not as i intended it to be read, a disclaimer of sorts, i do not support the majority of the organizations i believe fall under this rubric. in fact i find most of them reprehensible. explanation is not jusification, nor does proper examination constitute outright support.

[NumberSix]

damn you're one shallow mf'er :facepalm

i'm pretty sure i said during the time we helped the rebels and ONLY armed them with light weapons was when they were more moderate WITH extremist elements. which is why we ONLY armed them with light weapons. i think i've stated this a few times and told u dumbass agenda foreigners to even google it to educate yourselves but all of you are so reluctant to do that because it doesn't fit your agenda.

my point about hindsight revisionist history vs original intentions apply to most of the stupid guilt trips you want to throw on us like we TRY to create cruel dictators and movements which is so retarded its not even funny :facepalm

it doesn't even make sense. we're a lot more altruistic than you dumbass's want to paint us, but its pretty obvious if any of you follow current events over your make up agendas,.

just so much stupidity here and you all swear you're so educated. its hilariously pitiful tbh.
Nobody is claiming that we armed them with fighter jets or anything.

Also, you seem to be thinking that anyone who recognizes the fact the US sided with the rebels is also saying that they did it with the intention of supporting what ended up happening.

Nobody is claiming the US purposely supported a group they knew would go on to be a terrorist state. It was a really bad mistake.

[KevinNYC]

Probably a bad choice of words. I meant it as a general term defining radical Sunni Muslims.

The word you are looking for is Salafist. (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Salafist)

You mention the moderates being in charge last year, but based on your other comments, you know that was incorrect. This war has been going on for three years now. And Islamist forces were taking over territory by late 2012 and by Jan 2013, it was clear this is a multi-front war

[KevinNYC]

Assad and the secular/multi-cultural Syrian Government

You may want to learn the word Alawite and see how Assad has been using sectarianism to his advantage (http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887323997004578639903412487708)

[code green]

Nobody is claiming that we armed them with fighter jets or anything.

Also, you seem to be thinking that anyone who recognizes the fact the US sided with the rebels is also saying that they did it with the intention of supporting what ended up happening.

Nobody is claiming the US purposely supported a group they knew would go on to be a terrorist state. It was a really bad mistake.

See, that's the thing. I wish I could dig up a post or two from this time of year last year where I said this was going to happen. I saw hundreds of comments on news sites where people were saying the same thing.

[RidonKs]

Nobody is claiming the US purposely supported a group they knew would go on to be a terrorist state. It was a really bad mistake.
this is another talking point unfortunately, even though it has a real ring of validity.

how often have you heard the phrase "iraq was a mistake"?

let me answer that through analogy. about as much as people heard "vietnam was a mistake" in the 70s when it was finally aborted.

were these invasions mistakes and what precisely differs them being a mistake from them being a crime?

i'm not sure if you're aware but the vietnam war was launched by president kennedy in an outright attack against SOUTH vietnam. this is publicly known as "the defense of vietnam" which is patent nonsense. kennedy sent in the us air force to bomb villages in rural south vietnam. this followed over a decade of overt support for french interests in the country, supplying arms and training throughout. this all eventually led to a ground invasion in the mid-60s that killed millions of people.

now this was and still is colloquially referred to as a mistake. you didn't hear "the vietnam is a mistake" very much in the early 60s. but by the time the war had become extremely unpopular, most of the adacemic and media communities had turned to this line.

this is like manslaughter vs murder here. given the evidence, which is enormous thanks to the pentagon papers, if american high officials tried to defend itself in an honest court by claiming "it was a mistake" or "it started with blundering efforts to do good" or "we had the best of intentions but underestimated important elements", they'd be laughed out of the room by the judge.

nevertheless polls from that time period reveal most of the intellectual community (which i can describe with examples if need be, talking about pundits and writers and academics and corporate lawyers and executives and politicians and advisors, the whole gang really), close to 100% really, calling the vietnam war a mistake.

this is contrasted with the views of the american public in general, which i can source if need be, a full 70% and sometimes higher of which have said the vietnam war "wasnt a mistake, it was fundamentally wrong and immoral".



now i just took a long time to make a rather simple point. hopefully somebody bothers to read it. but the analogy to what you just wrote is not insignificant.

of course the future is always impossible to see and nobody has any definitive proof that the obama administration had any understanding of what rebels/isis could become while they were supporting them the past few years. nevertheless, the conclusion that that support was a mere mistake is strikingly similar to labeling the iraq war a mistake, labeling the vietnam war a mistake, labeling the latin american wars a mistake, labeling the genocide of native americans a few hundred years ago a mistake, and so on.

how you want to interpret these facts is up to you. but facts they remain and they're worth serious considering, especially as we listen to western leaders continue to justify violence overseas. sometimes it's necessary, like against nazi germany. most of the time, it's completely unnecessary and cynical and self-interested and justified with a load of rhetorical bullshit that has no basis in reality.

[RidonKs]

The word you are looking for is Salafist. (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Salafist)

You mention the moderates being in charge last year, but based on your other comments, you know that was incorrect. This war has been going on for three years now. And Islamist forces were taking over territory by late 2012 and by Jan 2013, it was clear this is a multi-front war
ah yes. wahhabi in other words. a dangerous ideological movement which happens to be centered in the second most powerful american ally in the region, saudi arabia. fancy that. oh whatever will we do to stop saudi extermism????

yes it was a multi-front war. that doesn't justify anything and by pretending it does you would be painting yourself into a smaller and smaller corner. i'm not saying you are justifying anything personally kevin since i haven't read your views on this subject in any great detail. i'm speaking more generally.

[Nanners]

thank you ridonks and maks for saving this thread.

[RidonKs]

thank you ridonks and maks for saving this thread.
:cheers:

[MavsSuperFan]

You also don't seem to understand the dynamics going on in Syria. Destroying ISIS doesn't help Assad. There's a reason Assad has never bombed ISIS headquarters in Raqqa or why he does oil business with them. (http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/08/22/should-the-us-work-with-assad-to-fight-isis/assad-has-never-fought-isis-before) This cartoon sums it up nicely.



http://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/rBE4db-SJluHNnCbBa7wpb6A7kk=/1250x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn2.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/666774/iranwire_cartoon_assad.0.jpg
you got to give assad credit, dude is smart as ****

[RidonKs]

You also don't seem to understand the dynamics going on in Syria. Destroying ISIS doesn't help Assad. There's a reason Assad has never bombed ISIS headquarters in Raqqa or why he does oil business with them. This cartoon sums it up nicely.
this is absolutely true. civil war dividing the country along sectarian lines is much safer for assad than what was appearing to be the alternative.

prediction: five years from now assad will be a) dead or b) standing before an international tribunal being prosecuted for crimes against humanity

[Godzuki]

Nobody is claiming that we armed them with fighter jets or anything.

Also, you seem to be thinking that anyone who recognizes the fact the US sided with the rebels is also saying that they did it with the intention of supporting what ended up happening.

Nobody is claiming the US purposely supported a group they knew would go on to be a terrorist state. It was a really bad mistake.


LOL yes they are. See that Maksmilian moron, Ridonks, etc. wrote before my first reply. they pretend so much shit we do is intended for our own gains in these convoluted conspiracy retard ways its unbelievable. yes they were saying and still saying we knowingly and intended to support current version of ISIS, at least painting it that way.

[Godzuki]

thank you ridonks and maks for saving this thread.


the other foreign US conspiracy retard retard here :lol

[Godzuki]

Are you Nick Young and his husbands adopted Korean baby? Yall sound alike. Nicks the one on the left obviously.

http://americanmovements.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/modern-family.jpg


u really don't want to turn this into racial jones since i can say some real fukked up jones on Serb's :cheers:

even then wtf happened to your international studies degree? where did u get that from some community college in Serbia? :lol its funny to me how dumb u are within your major.

[Godzuki]

The moderates lost control a long, long time ago. I doubt they had it for more than a month to begin with.

Trust me, I have much more than one story, most of which you can verify with US news. Bishops being kidnapped and tortured, churches being decimated, statues of Jesus being beheaded, public executions, etc.

I'm not someone arguing just for arguments' sake. I usually agree with a lot of shit you say, including on the rioting in Ferguson. It's something that's personal to me, because lost in all of this Assad vs the Muslim Brotherhood bullshit is the voice of the Syrian Christians, who just want to be left alone in peace. And they were until the uprising started.


thing is i never said otherwise from what you're suggesting. i always stated the uprising had extremist elements to them and at the time of us supporting them they were led by moderates, but again i never said they didn't have different factions fighting Assad which included extremist terrorist groups. which was why we were reluctant all along in supporting them.

its not some grand conspiracy tho by the U.S. like we were supporting ISIS all along, or what that Maksmilian dude is saying.

[Godzuki]

and in the last thread you told me that, i linked five different posts i've made on politics in the past month, all long and detailed and fact-oriented. not all of them include sources but if there is any piece of information you would like me to cite, i'd be happy to do it.

i said all that.

of course you never responded. because the charge you're leveling against me is that i'm vague and idiotic and conspiratorial. that's what you believe. and as i said, no matter what evidence is presented to you, you have no interest in changing your mind and refuse to give it a cursory look.

and the same thing will happen immediately after i make this post. it's quite a fascinating process in fact watching you scamper away to "more important" topics and refuse to back up your claims.

and who cares if i'm vague? well nobody should. but i'm interested since i am, in fact, me. and you called me a tin foil wrapped nutbag that hates america. or at least that's approximately the insult that gets thrown my way from your ilk.

if you want me to re-link those long posts you certainly never bothered to read, i can do that for you. you can tell me in what way its vague and in what way its incomprehensible and in what way i ignore facts on the ground.... i think you'll have a hard time doing any of that.


its just these huge wall of txts that are never point blank direct, and links to these other huge wall of txts that aren't direct either. i swear u jump around just being bluntly straight up so much its crazy u don't recognize it. its not that hard to be more straight forward with your explanations, or sum up the articles your linking and give a summary to contradict me about what America has taken for self gain so much in the last 10-15 years~


i swear you purposely are vague because you can't answer that without going into crazy conspiracy, or revisionist history from a long ass time ago.

[RidonKs]

LOL yes they are. See that Maksmilian moron, Ridonks, etc. wrote before my first reply. they pretend so much shit we do is intended for our own gains in these convoluted conspiracy retard ways its unbelievable. yes they were saying and still saying we knowingly and intended to support current version of ISIS, at least painting it that way.
hey godzuki, i addressed you personally in a post and asked you why you called me a vague conspiratorial retard. i directed you to a half dozen posts i made about a wide variety of geopolitical issues as counterevidence against your charge. did you read these? do you care to respond to me directly ever again or are you just going to ignore me talking to you and gossip about me in the same thread?

yea you got it goin on godzuki i gotta say. ur life is like WOW and boy did i get served, im such a moron and wrong idiot gosh. wat can i say guy fking had my number, had me beat in knowin shit, in fightin, in jonesin, in womenz, just raw pwnage i guess. shucks.

*walks away with tail between legs*

[RidonKs]

its just these huge wall of txts that are never point blank direct, and links to these other huge wall of txts that aren't direct either. i swear u jump around just being bluntly straight up so much its crazy u don't recognize it. its not that hard to be more straight forward with your explanations, or sum up the articles your linking and give a summary to contradict me about what America has taken for self gain so much in the last 10-15 years~


i swear you purposely are vague because you can't answer that without going into crazy conspiracy, or revisionist history from a long ass time ago.
READ THEM

just because they're long doesn't mean they're conspiratorial. nor does it mean they're pointless, illogical, or empirically unsound. and my belief is you haven't really bothered to read them.

i make short to the point posts as well. but typically what i talk about here is too complex to summarize in pointblank principles and leave out details that happen to be important. the principles are important but so are their application to the real world and the consequence of that procedure on what we choose to do about what we understand about the world. what should happen during research and conversation is a real synthesis between two people's perspectives. part of it is just sharing new information. and there are many facets. one of them is to find middleground between absolute principles (like you shouldn't use violence to suppress protest or you shouldn't fire rockets indiscriminately into residential areas or you shouldn't design radically theocratic state governments).... all of these sorts of principles require nuance when you actually apply them to the real world. they also require context, since the actions people take are NEVER relegated to a few years but are rather historically placed in a certain time period depending on their age. if i started with a blank slate mind and spent five years doing nothing but eating, sleeping, and watching cnn and msnbc and cbs to inform myself about the world... i wouldn't have very many important things to say. because the historical context is so frequently left out and alternative perspectives get lost in the midst of right vs left black vs white liberal vs conservative democrat vs republican dichotomous insanity.

this is why i'm not particularly inclined to brevity.




excuse the edited rant above, its pretty vague and convoluted. you're right, i do write like that sometimes. but not all the time and you'll find i haven't been frequently posting airy vague musings on this board for quite some time.

[RidonKs]

i mean i'm defending myself in here which is just the absolute silliest waste of time you could possibly imagine. what the hell am i trying to prove here again? that i'm not vague and stupid?

nevermind that's the last i have to say on the subject

[NumberSix]

this is another talking point unfortunately, even though it has a real ring of validity.

how often have you heard the phrase "iraq was a mistake"?

We're not talking about Iraq. We are talking about the Syrian civil war, in which the US decided they preferred the rebels over the Assad government basically for no reason other than not liking the Assad regime because they're aligned with Russia and Iran.

[RidonKs]

We're not talking about Iraq. We are talking about the Syrian civil war, in which the US decided they preferred the rebels over the Assad government basically for no reason other than not liking the Assad regime because they're aligned with Russia and Iran.
that's exactly what i'm saying dude. read the rest of my post.

i'm taking it a small step further and referring to the obama administration's talking point on that unfortunate foreign policy. which they and their supporters have justified and and will surely continue to justify by calling it a mistake. oops, shouldn't have done that. bad intel i guess. we didn't know this shit was gonna pop off.

i'm saying that specific talking point is always used. and i gave half a dozen examples and then explored it further.

we're talking about the exact same thing.

[Nanners]

i mean i'm defending myself in here which is just the absolute silliest waste of time you could possibly imagine. what the hell am i trying to prove here again? that i'm not vague and stupid?

nevermind that's the last i have to say on the subject

yeah you are much better off not wasting your time trying to discuss anything with these troll terrorists like godzuki, iamrambo, nick young, etc...

[RidonKs]

iamrambo isn't so bad. he's young and i see potential. his arrogance isn't laid on as thick and doesn't suffocate new ideas as fast as the other two.

[Nanners]

iamrambo isn't so bad. he's young and i see potential. his arrogance isn't laid on as thick and doesn't suffocate new ideas as fast as the other two.

you are right that iamrambo is not on the level of the other two, but he does have a tendency to ruin threads by spamming stupid nonsense the same way godzuki and nick young do.

[RidonKs]

this is true

[Godzuki]

u conspiracy foreigners don't need to address stuff to me because i don't take any of u dummee's seriously at this point. y'all are so current events unread with so much stupid made up beliefs for a agenda connecting dots with zero ability to explain what we've actually taken.

i think i've shot all of u mf'ers down. from our defense sectors being such a small part of the whole while thinking our whole country goes to war to make them rich, to not even being able to tell me what we've taken....and all i hear from u dumee's is we're only out for ourselves to take from others.

its just dumb with the agendas here. constant agendas and revisionist history to paint the worst picture of us. meanwhile we're the only ones helping in most world crisis. go figure fgts.

u can circle jerk amongst yourselves.

[MavsSuperFan]

you are right that iamrambo is not on the level of the other two, but he does have a tendency to ruin threads by spamming stupid nonsense the same way godzuki and nick young do.
:biggums:
Iamrambo is much worse than godzuki and nick young. Iamrambo doesnt even make sense 70% of the time. Some of godzuki and nick youngs opinions offend people but at least their arguments are coherent

[MavsSuperFan]

iamrambo isn't so bad. he's young and i see potential. his arrogance isn't laid on as thick and doesn't suffocate new ideas as fast as the other two.
read some of iamrambo's posts. dude has zero logical consistency.

[zoom17]

Every time threads like this escalate Godzuki seems to be in the middle of it.

[RidonKs]

u conspiracy foreigners don't need to address stuff to me because i don't take any of u dummee's seriously at this point. y'all are so current events unread with so much stupid made up beliefs for a agenda connecting dots with zero ability to explain what we've actually taken.

i think i've shot all of u mf'ers down. from our defense sectors being such a small part of the whole while thinking our whole country goes to war to make them rich, to not even being able to tell me what we've taken....and all i hear from u dumee's is we're only out for ourselves to take from others.

its just dumb with the agendas here. constant agendas and revisionist history to paint the worst picture of us. meanwhile we're the only ones helping in most world crisis. go figure fgts.

u can circle jerk amongst yourselves.
again refusing to directly respond to anything being said. no surprise there.

[RidonKs]

:biggums:
Iamrambo is much worse than godzuki and nick young. Iamrambo doesnt even make sense 70% of the time. Some of godzuki and nick youngs opinions offend people but at least their arguments are coherent
coherence is not the end game nor should it be. you know who is coherent? rush limbaugh. what does that tell you about the importance of coherence?

[Godzuki]

again refusing to directly respond to anything being said. no surprise there.


lol trust me i could but i know its a waste of time at this point. i get burned out from this shit, and i'm definitely not going into wall of txts and links just to get simple direct answers for questions i've dared u to answer :sleeping

[RidonKs]

lol trust me i could but i know its a waste of time at this point. i get burned out from this shit, and i'm definitely not going into wall of txts and links just to get simple direct answers for questions i've dared u to answer :sleeping
:lol

fair enough. i guess reading isn't your strong suit.

this isn't 2 + 2 = 4 you numbnuts. this shit is COMPLICATED. more complicated and incomprehensible and difficult to reduce to simple direct answers than quantum physics. the fact that you don't understand that tells me a lot about your approach to issues you supposedly care about.

[Nanners]

:biggums:
Iamrambo is much worse than godzuki and nick young. Iamrambo doesnt even make sense 70% of the time. Some of godzuki and nick youngs opinions offend people but at least their arguments are coherent

i would call godzuki a lot of things, but not "coherent"

[Godzuki]

:lol

fair enough. i guess reading isn't your strong suit.

this isn't 2 + 2 = 4 you numbnuts. this shit is COMPLICATED. more complicated and incomprehensible and difficult to reduce to simple direct answers than quantum physics. the fact that you don't understand that tells me a lot about your approach to issues you supposedly care about.


no its not complicated. only when u make these extremely convoluted conspiracy theories that makes you borderline schizophrenic, because they're so ridiculous.

and not accepting the most straight forward reality of things.

[Godzuki]

i would call godzuki a lot of things, but not "coherent"


people just cant handle the truth of things when they have agendas :cheers:

[RidonKs]

no its not. only when u make these extremely convoluted conspiracy theories that makes you borderline schizophrenic, because they're so ridiculous.

and not accepting the most straight forward reality of things.
aaand that's what they said about the flat earth. and about newtonian physics. and about christian scripture. and about the four elements of the known universe (fire, water, earth, air). and about european exploration into the new world. and about early medicine before people accepted it as legitimate.

and countless other things.

it's in our nature to recognize the simplest patterns. and our gut tells us whatever pattern we happen to recognize must tell the whole story.

but history tells us our gut is usually wrong or at least off kilter. the most straight forward reality of things according to you is, i'm afraid, not as infallible as you'd like to believe.

the way we progress in our information and belief systems is by sharing knowledge and taking one another seriously. which you are not willing to do or even attempt for whatever strange and wonderfully mysterious reasons that make godzuki the crazy ranting isher we've all come to know and (some of us?) love.

[Nanners]

visual depiction of the average godzuki post -

http://i.imgur.com/BOEnihO.gif
its a babe ruth bar dont ban me lol

[JohnFreeman]

http://i.imgur.com/j2iiXBY.jpg

[Godzuki]

visual depiction of the average godzuki post -

http://i.imgur.com/BOEnihO.gif
its a babe ruth bar dont ban me lol


all my posts are substantiated tho, your foreign retard conspiracy theories are not :cheers: