ISH opinions: is Lebron already ahead of Kobe all-time wise??

[riseagainst]

:confusedshrug:

i'll keep count.


yes ---- 2
no ----- 6

[riseagainst]

reserved

[BlkMambaGOAT]

no

[Warfan]

Im really looking forward to this civil, intelligent discussion. Really interested in hearing people's well-thought out opinions, especially since this is rarely discussed.

[SwayDizzle]

no

[ImKobe]

no

[riseagainst]

Im really looking forward to this civil, intelligent discussion. Really interested in hearing people's well-thought out opinions, especially since this is rarely discussed.

it's optional to have some arguments. But i'm just looking for a yes/no answer in general right now.

[JT123]

What an original thread OP. :applause:
All the Kobe stans have said no, who would have guessed that. :facepalm

[GrapeApe]

I have Kobe at #8 and LeBron at #12 so no.

[Smoke117]

What an original thread OP. :applause:
All the Kobe stans have said no, who would have guessed that. :facepalm

:oldlol: My thoughts exactly. If you are looking for a civil, intelligent discussion you are on the wrong forum, OP.

[Smook A.]

Not yet, but in a couple years he will be, IMO. Other than the number of MVPs, Kobe is ahead of LeBron in every category. Some people underrate Kobe here. He has 5 championships, and a ton of other accolades. He's also the 5th player ever to score 30,000 points or more. Kobe is one of the basketball greats. Definitely a top 10 player ever. LeBron still has some catching up to do before we can say he's better than Kobe.

[riseagainst]

What an original thread OP. :applause:
All the Kobe stans have said no, who would have guessed that. :facepalm

if you don't agree with them, then say yes. So are you a yes?

[JT123]

I have Kobe at #8 and LeBron at #12 so no.
:facepalm Heat fans so bitter and ungrateful.

[riseagainst]

:oldlol: My thoughts exactly. If you are looking for a civil, intelligent discussion you are on the wrong forum, OP.

are you a yes then?

[AirGauge23]

Yes.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's literally neck and neck as of right now imo, so unless catastrophe strikes LeBron's career, I don't see how he doesn't surpass Kobe all time

[FatComputerNerd]

Only thing Kobe has on Lebron is more rings really.

Lebron is the better basketball player, and has been since he entered the league.


Mind you, this is coming from a Cavs fan who didn't want the guy back.

[SpecialQue]

No.

[Mass Debator]

:no:

[gts]

nope, not yet and not as close as Lebron fans would want you to believe

[poido123]

No.

Lebron needs to prove that he's not a p@ssy on a fulltime basis. He has too many question marks when it comes to winning against tough competition and this team stacking is not good for his credentials.

Until then, I can't move him above top 10 all time. Its a slight on the players above him who have won with legit adversity.

[MastaKilla]

Only thing Kobe has on Lebron is more rings really.

Lebron is the better basketball player, and has been since he entered the league.


Mind you, this is coming from a Cavs fan who didn't want the guy back.

Mind you, this is coming from a guy that thinks rookie Lebron was better than Kobe in his prime.

[AnaheimLakers24]

nope

[SouBeachTalents]

No.

Lebron needs to prove that he's not a p@ssy on a fulltime basis. He has too many question marks when it comes to winning against tough competition and this team stacking is not good for his credentials.

Until then, I can't move him above top 10 all time. Its a slight on the players above him who have won with legit adversity.

What "adversity" did players like Magic, Bird, Shaq and Kobe have to win with?

[GrapeApe]

:facepalm Heat fans so bitter and ungrateful.

Ranking LeBron below Kobe (for now) makes me bitter and ungrateful? :wtf:

Are you really that insecure?

[GODbe]

:facepalm .He'd need to win at least 7-8 rings on a far less stacked team to even be in a conversation with Kobe. And even so, he'd still be lightyears behind Kobe in terms of the eye test and Ring:Asterisk ratio.

[MastaKilla]

What "adversity" did players like Magic, Bird, Shaq and Kobe have to win with?

Well for beginners, Kobe in 2010 alone had to go through more 50 win teams to get a championship than Lebron did through his entire career up to 2014.

Lebron won all his championships with 2 all stars beside him. Kobe only 1. Kobe did as much with Pau Gasol out west as Lebron did with Wade & Bosh in the WOAT conference.

Bird immediately turned a shitty team into a playoff contender.

Magic as a rookie point guard replaced KAJ at center in the finals and won the deciding game..

[Trollsmasher]

yes

it's a general consensus among players, experts and fans

[Meticode]

I think he will end up being, but right now? No.

[AnaheimLakers24]

yes

it's a general consensus among players, experts and fans
no one would care if you died in real life :roll:

[AnaheimLakers24]

I think he will end up being, but right now? No.
ex heat fan :roll: no shame

[Meticode]

ex heat fan :roll: no shame
Thank you.

[KingBeasley08]

yes

[pauk]

Depends on if you value Kobe's 3 more championships as a sidekick/not the best player/MVP/FMVP in his team... over Lebron's 3 more MVP's as the best player in the NBA....

[poido123]

What "adversity" did players like Magic, Bird, Shaq and Kobe have to win with?


They actually played against all time greats or each other as you will.

The 80s/90s have the most saturated talent out of all eras and also have 9 of the 10 best players to have played the game.

To be the best you have to play the best. Not playing In a weak eastern conference with no all time greats and cakewalking against trash teams.

The best player lebron has played all time is old man Duncan. Enough said.

[Mr Exlax]

I believe he is as far as impact. If we're going with accolades I'd say they're tied right now. Those MVPs and tie in FMVPs are what did it. Kobe's other 3 rings he was the sidekick. If that was LeBron out there with prime Shaq he'd be a sidekick too

[Trollsmasher]

no one would care if you died in real life :roll:
:cheers:

[GODbe]

http://i661.photobucket.com/albums/uu340/killaplaya247/godbe_zps48b947d3.png


vs.

http://oi60.tinypic.com/21e4tqb.jpg

[MastaKilla]

no one would care if you died in real life :roll:

Even tho he has a shitty opinion that's still fcked up man..

[red1]

no

[GrapeApe]

Depends on if you value Kobe's 3 more championships as a sidekick/not the best player/MVP/FMVP in his team... over Lebron's 3 more MVP's as the best player in the NBA....

Do you value longevity at all? LeBron may eventually have comparable or better longevity, but as of RIGHT NOW it's an edge for Kobe is it not?

[russwest0]

No, and he's 3 rings away from even having a case.

[red1]

'tis close but still too early to make that claim

[russwest0]

Depends on if you value Kobe's 3 more championships as a sidekick/not the best player/MVP/FMVP in his team... over Lebron's 3 more MVP's as the best player in the NBA....

Winning as a sidekick > Choking as a sidekick

[pauk]

I believe he is as far as impact. If we're going with accolades I'd say they're tied right now. Those MVPs and tie in FMVPs are what did it. Kobe's other 3 rings he was the sidekick. If that was LeBron out there with prime Shaq he'd be a sidekick too

I am sorry but i very much doubt it, Lebron at that age was a better player than Kobe... if anything it would be more closer to 1a/1b, i believe Lebron would have snatched 1 or 2 FMVPs & 1 or 2 MVPs during those 3 championship runs....

[chazzy]

I am sorry but i very much doubt it, Lebron at that age was a better player than Kobe... if anything it would be more closer to 1a/1b, i believe Lebron would have snatched 1 or 2 FMVPs & 1 or 2 MVPs during those 3 championship runs....
Lebron would not outplay 3peat finals Shaq

[GrapeApe]

Lebron would not outplay 3peat finals Shaq

This, and to suggest he would is borderline absurd.

[Spaulding]

Nope.

[poido123]

I want to know, why are we having this discussion now that Lebron just came off a beat down to the Spurs who are lead by a 38 year old Duncan? A guy he is supposed to be chasing on GOAT lists :oldlol:

[red1]

Depends on if you value Kobe's 3 more championships as a sidekick/not the best player/MVP/FMVP in his team... over Lebron's 3 more MVP's as the best player in the NBA....
typical pauk post


No.

Lebron needs to prove that he's not a p@ssy on a fulltime basis. He has too many question marks when it comes to winning against tough competition and this team stacking is not good for his credentials.

Until then, I can't move him above top 10 all time. Its a slight on the players above him who have won with legit adversity.

I want to know, why are we having this discussion now that Lebron just came off a beat down to the Spurs who are lead by a 38 year old Duncan? A guy he is supposed to be chasing on GOAT lists :oldlol:
you clearly have no clue what you are talking about

[SouBeachTalents]

They actually played against all time greats or each other as you will.

The 80s/90s have the most saturated talent out of all eras and also have 9 of the 10 best players to have played the game.

To be the best you have to play the best. Not playing In a weak eastern conference with no all time greats and cakewalking against trash teams.

The best player lebron has played all time is old man Duncan. Enough said.

Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Shaq, who else ya got, unless you really consider Kobe and Duncan to be "90's" players?

[kennethgriffin]

lebron took a big step back this year. and even after last year at best you could only say he was 11th all time


now i dunno i guess hes still around top 15. but have any of these guys really been as much of an embarrassment?

-jordan
-kareem
- russell
- wilt
- magic
- kobe
- duncan
- bird
- shaq
- hakeem
- oscar
- moses
- dr j


i mean at best you can say west/baylor were more of an embarassment. but they had russells celtics raping them

so i give them somewhat of a pass

this 2 for 5 sh*t is hella sad. colluding/ring chasing/tampering TWICE in his prime

EVEN MORE SAD


hes around top 15 i guess. give or take.


kobe however has twice the legendary career and stuck with one team for 20 years. that and hes the closest thing to jordan we've ever seen


lebron would have to absolutely wow us the **** over for the next decade to catch kobe and make us forget his eye sores

[SouBeachTalents]

lebron took a big step back this year.

Why, cause the Spurs were a MUCH better team than the Heat?

[Trollsmasher]

Even tho he has a shitty opinion that's still fcked up man..
not really, he has a right to voice his option

[kennethgriffin]

Depends on if you value Kobe's 3 more championships as a sidekick/not the best player/MVP/FMVP in his team... over Lebron's 3 more MVP's as the best player in the NBA....

is the mvp the best player award?

was iverson better than shaq in 2001?

was nash better than shaq in 2005?

was nash better than kobe in 2006?

was dirk better than kobe in 2007?

was rose better than lebron in 2011?



is kevin durant better than lebron right now?




the leagues MVP is voted uppon by::::::::::::::::

espn, SI, msnbc, sportsnet, nbatv, tnt, abc, local erea cable ( randomly selected representatives )


now.... how is that any different than power rankings by marc stein or some bill simmons article?

the only difference between a website poll and the actual mvp trophy is..................


"theres a piece of plastic/wood and bronze associeted with it


ESPN is NOT in control of all time rankings


what people do ON THE COURT is

[kennethgriffin]

Why, cause the Spurs were a MUCH better team than the Heat?

lebron got schooled by a 2nd year kawhi leonard, basically taken out by him and 3 old bums and a coach that just outsmarted him

lebron refused to play in the post ( even though that was the major reason he won his last 2 titles )

lebron quit

lebron colluded yet again ( with tampering charges on top )

lebron dipped on his fans and team for the 2nd time in his prime

lebron forced the trade of the cavs 2 future assets to get a 3 ball chucking no defense stat padder that suits his style of play making better

lebron released almost a "decision" type look at me essay that sounded so god damn queer its not even funny.

and ultimately ended up with a losing finals record and not soon after giving up on his promise to bring cleveland a title. also gave up on his promise to deliver 8 titles to miami. then sets the bar at ZERO titles in cleveland now that hes finally realized he sucks at predictions

the dude took a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE step back


are you ****ing blind?

[red1]

lebron took a big step back this year. and even after last year at best you could only say he was 11th all time


now i dunno i guess hes still around top 15. but have any of these guys really been as much of an embarrassment?

-jordan
-kareem
- russell
- wilt
- magic
- kobe
- duncan
- bird
- shaq
- hakeem
- oscar
- moses
- dr j


i mean at best you can say west/baylor were more of an embarassment. but they had russells celtics raping them

so i give them somewhat of a pass

this 2 for 5 sh*t is hella sad. colluding/ring chasing/tampering TWICE in his prime

EVEN MORE SAD


hes around top 15 i guess. give or take.


kobe however has twice the legendary career and stuck with one team for 20 years. that and hes the closest thing to jordan we've ever seen


lebron would have to absolutely wow us the **** over for the next decade to catch kobe and make us forget his eye sores
Except he has already put up FOUR seasons better than kobe's best. Let's be real. All lebron needs is longevity and he will end up higher on the all-time list.

[poido123]

Jordan, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Shaq, who else ya got, unless you really consider Kobe and Duncan to be "90's" players?

Bird crossed over decades, so did magic. What I'm saying is, just about all the greats played each other at some point and that's where you should be measured at. Kobe Duncan played 90s so technically i can include them too.

90s also had guys like KG, dirk, Vince carter, hill , penny, Webber, Iverson, Barkley, Malone etc etc

Just a greater concentration of talent.

[DatAsh]

I am sorry but i very much doubt it, Lebron at that age was a better player than Kobe... if anything it would be more closer to 1a/1b, i believe Lebron would have snatched 1 or 2 FMVPs & 1 or 2 MVPs during those 3 championship runs....

Shaq put up :

38/17/2/3 on 61%
33/16/5/3 on 57%
36/12/4/3 on 60%

so far Lebron has put up:

22/7/7/1 on 36%
18/7/7/.5 on 48%
29/10/7/2 on 47%
25/11/7/2 on 45%
28/8/4/2 on 57%

Lebron would have to play quite a bit better than he's ever played before to snag one of those finals MVPs away from Shaq, what makes you so confident he could do it in 2 of the 3 series played?

[SouBeachTalents]

Shaq put up :

38/17/2/3 on 61%
33/16/5/3 on 57%
36/12/4/3 on 60%

so far Lebron has put up:

22/7/7/1 on 36%
18/7/7/.5 on 48%
29/10/7/2 on 47%
25/11/7/2 on 45%
28/8/4/2 on 57%

Lebron would have to play quite a bit better than he's ever played before to snag one of those finals MVPs away from Shaq, what makes you so confident he could do it in 2 of the 3 series played?

:facepalm

[MastaKilla]

Except he has already put up FOUR seasons better than kobe's best. Let's be real.


Lmao

[DatAsh]

:facepalm

?

Those were his 2007 and 2011 finals numbers.

[red1]

Lmao
do you disagree?

[kennethgriffin]

Except he has already put up FOUR seasons better than kobe's best. Let's be real. All lebron needs is longevity and he will end up higher on the all-time list.


i dont think lebrons best 4 seasons are better than

2006 kobe ( averaged 35ppg, dropped 81, averaged 40ppg multiple months, multiple 60+ games, dragged kwame/smush to the playoffs in the west )

2007 kobe ( averaged 33ppg, dropped 4 straight 50+ games, 40ppg multiple months, multiple 60+ games, dragged kwame/smush to the playoffs in the west....again )

2009 kobe ( TITLE/FINALS MVP ******** no saved shot, no lockout, no colluding, no ring chasing, no tampering, no east, at best 1 other HOF team mate but only due to his international success, beat 4 teams with 50+ wins in the playoffs )

2010 kobe AGAIN----------------( 2009 kobe ( TITLE/FINALS MVP ******** no saved shot, no lockout, no colluding, no ring chasing, no tampering, no east, at best 1 other HOF team mate but only due to his international success, beat 4 teams with 50+ wins in the playoffs )



sorry but PER titles due to being bigger and running a assist padding offense ( not to mention protecting his fg% .....) is not overtaking this.. so he scores 70% of his points on layups? so? good for him. hes an efficient guy. but not as impressive as kobe bryant

[MastaKilla]

do you disagree?

Yes

[SouBeachTalents]

?

Those were his 2007 and 2011 finals numbers.

Haha, I know, I was :facepalm at how terrible they were

[NumberSix]

lebron got schooled by a 2nd year kawhi leonard, basically taken out by him and 3 old bums and a coach that just outsmarted him

lebron refused to play in the post ( even though that was the major reason he won his last 2 titles )

lebron quit

lebron colluded yet again ( with tampering charges on top )

lebron dipped on his fans and team for the 2nd time in his prime

lebron forced the trade of the cavs 2 future assets to get a 3 ball chucking no defense stat padder that suits his style of play making better

lebron released almost a "decision" type look at me essay that sounded so god damn queer its not even funny.

and ultimately ended up with a losing finals record and not soon after giving up on his promise to bring cleveland a title. also gave up on his promise to deliver 8 titles to miami. then sets the bar at ZERO titles in cleveland now that hes finally realized he sucks at predictions

the dude took a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE step back


are you ****ing blind?
You don't know how to troll properly.

You say shit that is patently ridiculous. The right way is to say things that are true and slightly skew it to the desired context.

[poido123]

do you disagree?


I don't.

There was already a thread on it. Lebron hasn't played anyone in the eastern conference worth mentioning, maybe Paul George and rose.

Easy to beat up on teams without intimidating players or players you know will bring it.

Guys like bird and Jordan strike fear into their opponents. Lebron hasnt faced guys like that until the finals and even then I wouldn't consider those players to be on that level.

[red1]

i dont think lebrons best 4 seasons are better than

2006 kobe ( averaged 35ppg, dropped 81, averaged 40ppg multiple months, multiple 60+ games, dragged kwame/smush to the playoffs in the west )

2007 kobe ( averaged 33ppg, dropped 4 straight 50+ games, 40ppg multiple months, multiple 60+ games, dragged kwame/smush to the playoffs in the west....again )

2009 kobe ( TITLE/FINALS MVP ******** no saved shot, no lockout, no colluding, no ring chasing, no tampering, no east, at best 1 other HOF team mate but only due to his international success, beat 4 teams with 50+ wins in the playoffs )

2010 kobe AGAIN----------------( 2009 kobe ( TITLE/FINALS MVP ******** no saved shot, no lockout, no colluding, no ring chasing, no tampering, no east, at best 1 other HOF team mate but only due to his international success, beat 4 teams with 50+ wins in the playoffs )



sorry but PER titles due to being bigger and running a assist padding offense ( not to mention protecting his fg% .....) is not overtaking this.. so he scores 70% of his points on layups? so? good for him. hes an efficient guy. but not as impressive as kobe bryant

Nothing to do with PER or stats, this is just going off of who seemed like the more impressive player. I watched both of these players full careers and I feel that the 2009-2010 and the 2012-2013 version of lbj is better than 06 or 08 kobe by a hair.


Yes
Care to explain?

[kennethgriffin]

Nothing to do with PER or stats, this is just going off of who seemed like the more impressive player. I watched both of these players full careers and I feel that the 2009-2010 and the 2012-2013 version of lbj is better than 06 or 08 version kobe by a hair.

Care to explain?


wait.. you're using the eye test. and siding with lebron james with his 2 left feet, bow legged, awkward flopping, charging, traveling, diamond shaped elbow out jump shot having, no off hand shot having beyond 2 feet, awkward post game, bullying and running over defenders with no call unless it favors him, with his pathetic 7 rebounds a game while being a 6-9, 270 pound power forward with more power and leaping ability than most big men, and 70% of his points coming off layups with the other 30% coming off wide open threes of bs foul calls?


yeah.. you're one blind ass mofo... stick to worshiping PER

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[knicksman]

well if youre bad at math/logic then yes.

[Inferno]

I want to say he's probably peaked higher than Kobe, but career-wise not yet

[red1]

wait.. you're using the eye test. and siding with lebron james with his 2 left feet, bow legged, awkward flopping, charging, traveling, diamond shaped elbow out jump shot having, no off hand shot having beyond 2 feet, awkward post game, bullying and running over defenders with no call unless it favors him, with his pathetic 7 rebounds a game while being a 6-9, 270 pound power forward with more power and leaping ability than most big men, and 70% of his points coming off layups with the other 30% coming off wide open threes of bs foul calls?


yeah.. you're one blind ass mofo... stick to worshiping PER

:roll: :roll: :roll:
What does any of this mean? Shaq doesn't have a jumpshot and made a career out of bullying defenders but you wouldn't argue that his prime wasn't better than kobe's. Or would you?

[kennethgriffin]

I want to say he's probably peaked higher than Kobe, but career-wise not yet


call me when lebron breaks the 70 point barrier

at kobes peak he was a threat to score 60 every night

infact a little known fact:

kobe scored 62 in 3 quarters

michael jordans highest total after 4 quarters is 61


lebron is not better than kobe. even at his absolute best

[MP.Trey]

Kobe's at 9. LeBron's at 11.


Warmest regards,
Ayotunde N'Diaye

[JT123]

wait.. you're using the eye test. and siding with lebron james with his 2 left feet, bow legged, awkward flopping, charging, traveling, diamond shaped elbow out jump shot having, no off hand shot having beyond 2 feet, awkward post game, bullying and running over defenders with no call unless it favors him, with his pathetic 7 rebounds a game while being a 6-9, 270 pound power forward with more power and leaping ability than most big men, and 70% of his points coming off layups with the other 30% coming off wide open threes of bs foul calls?


yeah.. you're one blind ass mofo... stick to worshiping PER

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Kenneth having another meltdown. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[fpliii]

Comparing their best seasons:

LeBron's 2009 > Kobe's 2003
LeBron's 2010 > Kobe's 2006
LeBron's 2011 = Kobe's 2008
LeBron's 2012 > Kobe's 2009
LeBron's 2013 > Kobe's 2010

Other comparable seasons:

LeBron's 2008 > Kobe's 2007
LeBron's 2006 < Kobe's 2001
LeBron's 2007 < Kobe's 2002
LeBron's 2014 > Kobe's 2004
You have 2011 LeBron > 2014 LeBron, and 2003 Kobe > 2007 Kobe?

[Inferno]

People still use the FG% protection myth for LeBron? Dude already has a higher career PPG than Kobe on better efficiency...I guess if he didn't "protect" his FG% it'd be even more higher than Kobe's? :biggums:

[mehyaM24]

lebron is already the games greatest all-around player, all time.

1 ring in cleveland would cement him the GOAT, 2 more and it would be universal

the article i posted earlier about today's defenses/offenses being more advanced will help lebron's case a ton.

same with older players in the 80s/90s era already saying lebron is greater than jordan, both physically and from a mental aspect (e.g. getting more out of his teammates).

[Warfan]

call me when lebron breaks the 70 point barrier

at kobes peak he was a threat to score 60 every night

infact a little known fact:

kobe scored 62 in 3 quarters

michael jordans highest total after 4 quarters is 61


lebron is not better than kobe. even at his absolute best


Where are all of kobe's 50 point games in the playoffs? He had 1 against Phoenix, that's it. And peak isn't one game, nor do you just look at points too see who had the better peak.

[kennethgriffin]

What does any of this mean? Shaq doesn't have a jumpshot and made a career out of bullying defenders but you wouldn't argue that his prime wasn't better than kobe's. Or would you?


shaqs more dominant. but not a better basketball player

theres a difference between efficiency and skill

shaq was more valuable at his absolute best. but not the more talented player



lebron is kind of like shaq. he takes advantage of officiating, loose rules, and physical advantages... that makes him the most efficient. but a better basketball player? na


whos a better football player? some 500 pound offensive lineman. or jim brown, jerry rice, barry sanders etc??

that offensive lineman can be valuable. but thats about it

[navy]

All time? The answer is no.

If your asking if Lebron is better than Kobe than yes.

Not hard to understand.

[JT123]

People still use the FG% protection myth for LeBron? Dude already has a higher career PPG than Kobe on better efficiency...I guess if he didn't "protect" his FG% it'd be even more higher than Kobe's? :biggums:
ether

[kennethgriffin]

Where are all of kobe's 50 point games in the playoffs? He had 1 against Phoenix, that's it. And peak isn't one game, nor do you just look at points too see who had the better peak.


kobe was too busy being the assist leader on all 5 championship teams. since he had to do double duty because he wasnt lucky enough to have a pippen on his team

imagine if kobe had a guy like scottie to do all his dirty work and set up the offense... kobe could have focused on scoring more. but thats the sacrifice kobe made to win

see.. unlike lebron. kobe brings the best out of team mates. players have career years with him.

because kobe suffocates their games. he turns them into outside kick out shooters just so lebron can pad 1 or 2 more assists. but sometimes being a play maker means being the 3rd last man to touch the ball so your offense runs more smoothly.

[Inferno]

ether

Not even trying to discredit Kobe...I agree with red1 that peak Bron was a hair better than peak Kobe, but Kobe's still ahead career-wise as of now just due to his crazy longevity and amount of accolades :confusedshrug:

[navy]

People still use the FG% protection myth for LeBron? Dude already has a higher career PPG than Kobe on better efficiency...I guess if he didn't "protect" his FG% it'd be even more higher than Kobe's? :biggums:

People are so dumb. Lebron scores a lot of points on high efficiency.

If Lebron didnt protect his fg% he would average over 30 a game on still high efficiency. What the hell. :oldlol:

[JT123]

Where are all of kobe's 50 point games in the playoffs? He had 1 against Phoenix, that's it. And peak isn't one game, nor do you just look at points too see who had the better peak.
Warriors fans making a lot of good points today. :applause:
Kobe doesn't really have any signature playoff games. Sure, he has playoff games in which he scored a lot, but non of them are very memorable.
Lebron on the other hand has Detroit game 5, Boston game 6, and San Antonio game 7 just to name a few. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[kennethgriffin]

People still use the FG% protection myth for LeBron? Dude already has a higher career PPG than Kobe on better efficiency...I guess if he didn't "protect" his FG% it'd be even more higher than Kobe's? :biggums:


i think kobe has the same PPG as lebron career minutes wise

both lebron and kobes per 36min average is 25.0ppg


lebron doesnt scorer any more often than kobe does. its just due lebron going to cleveland and kobe going to LA

if lebron was drafted in 96 to a contending lakers team and already had an allstar prime player in lebrons spot. lebron also comes off the bench

if kobe gets drafted to cleveland in 04. his career average probably goes up to 30ppg


but in the end. sometimes career winners have to sacrifice career ppg ...

[hawke812]

Kobe>Lebron

Lebron>>>>>>>>>jordan

[poido123]

lebron is already the games greatest all-around player, all time.

1 ring in cleveland would cement him the GOAT, 2 more and it would be universal

the article i posted earlier about today's defenses/offenses being more advanced will help lebron's case a ton.

same with older players in the 80s/90s era already saying lebron is greater than jordan, both physically and from a mental aspect (e.g. getting more out of his teammates).


You post a lot like Silk or Tony Montana...

This is pure trolling and garbage.

The fact you would say lebron would be GOAT after winning one more ring with Cavs is just absurd :oldlol:

[Inferno]

i think kobe has the same PPG as lebron career minutes wise

both lebron and kobes per 36min average is 25.0ppg


lebron doesnt scorer any more often than kobe does. its just due lebron going to cleveland and kobe going to LA

if lebron was drafted in 96 to a contending lakers team and already had an allstar prime player in lebrons spot. lebron also comes off the bench

if kobe gets drafted to cleveland in 04. his career average probably goes up to 30ppg


but in the end. sometimes career winners have to sacrifice career ppg ...



And if LeBron gets drafted onto those Lakers he probably has 4-6 rings right now, whereas Kobe's probably sitting on 1-2 :coleman:

Per 36 Bron's also more efficient than Kobe though they're both at 25 PPG

[MastaKilla]

People still use the FG% protection myth for LeBron? Dude already has a higher career PPG than Kobe on better efficiency...I guess if he didn't "protect" his FG% it'd be even more higher than Kobe's? :biggums:

Wait until Lebron gets older an his career ppg will eventually drop, not really fair to compare career averages for a guy who has played 18 years to a guy who has played 11, Kobes first few years of being held back skew his averages.

I mean it's happening with Lebron already, his playoff ppg has already came down by like 1.5 -2 since his cavs days.

Kareem's career average is like 22ppg, does that mean mitch Richmond was on equal footing as a scorer because his career ppg is very comparable? No..

[red1]

shaqs more dominant. but not a better basketball player

theres a difference between efficiency and skill

shaq was more valuable at his absolute best. but not the more talented player



lebron is kind of like shaq. he takes advantage of officiating, loose rules, and physical advantages... that makes him the most efficient. but a better basketball player? na


whos a better football player? some 500 pound offensive lineman. or jim brown, jerry rice, barry sanders etc??

that offensive lineman can be valuable. but thats about it
We are not talking about efficiency or skill here. Nor did I say it is a big gap, I said I feel that his best seasons are better by a hair. They are not the same type of player and what kobe brings to a team is almost equally valuable and I do believe he will also retire in the 6-9 range. That said, why is it so hard to accept that lbj at his best might just have been better than kobe at his best. You are too invested in this shit. Not everything has to be a troll post.

[kennethgriffin]

And if LeBron gets drafted onto those Lakers he probably has 4-6 rings right now, whereas Kobe's probably sitting on 1-2 :coleman:

Per 36 Bron's also more efficient than Kobe though they're both at 25 PPG

i doubt lebron developes what the lakers needed by age 21

kobe was already a polished shooter, post player and clutch player by that age

which is why kobe had so many playoff game saving moments. most notably game 7 2000 wcf and game 7 2002 wcf... or 2000 game 4 nba finals.

i dont think lebron figered out how to play nearly as all around offensively as kobe does until around 2012

then factor in lebron struggles against the spurs and duncan. and the lakers got 35-40 out of him against sanantonio every other game in the playoffs


i think if the 2 guys switch.. kobe gets all the averages. but lebron doesnt get any of the rings

[Keno]

obviously. dumb question.

[kennethgriffin]

kobe > lebron.. nuff said ...all time and prime


ISH even had a vote like a few weeks ago and kobe won.. even with all of dragics alts picking lebron

[Inferno]

Wait until Lebron gets older an his career ppg will eventually drop, not really fair to compare career averages for a guy who has played 18 years to a guy who has played 11, Kobes first fews of being held back skew his averages.

I mean it's happening with Lebron already, his playoff ppg has already came down by like 1.5 -2 since his cavs days.

Kareem's career average is like 22ppg, does that mean mitch Richmond was on equal footing as a scorer because his career ppg is very comparable? No..

True, but making that comparison can also be a credit to Kobe's amazing longetivty. Dude's scoring has been very consistent so far, up till the 12-13 season

[SamuraiSWISH]

You have 2011 LeBron > 2014 LeBron
It's skewed because of that horrendous Finals. And even though 2014 LeBron carried a heavier load offensively, had a better jumper / mid range game. I still think 2011 LeBron is better considering his consistent DPOY caliber versatility on that end.

He had a great playoffs leading up to the Finals. Arguably better than the playoffs he had this past year.


2003 Kobe > 2007 Kobe?
Kind of a similar deal here. 2003 Kobe was definitely better defensively than 2007 Kobe, so that's why he would get the nod from me. Kobe had a rough start to the year in 2007 due to coming back from knee surgery.

What about you?

[mehyaM24]

You post a lot like Silk or Tony Montana...

This is pure trolling and garbage.

The fact you would say lebron would be GOAT after winning one more ring with Cavs is just absurd :oldlol:

5 rings in miami = 1 ring in cleveland, the city that hasn't won anything sports related in some odd decades. lebron is already the most efficient player of all time, one more ring and his dominance would parallel wilt's, except on the perimeter.

seriously 2 rings and it wouldnt even be a discussion.

i assume he'll win a few more mvp's in the process too.

[kennethgriffin]

5 rings in miami = 1 ring in cleveland, the city that hasn't won anything sports related in some odd decades. lebron is already the most efficient player of all time, one more ring and his dominance would parallel wilt's, except on the perimeter.

seriously 2 rings and it wouldnt even be a discussion.

i assume he'll win a few more mvp's in the process too.


i think it goes more like this



1 ring in cleveland = 1 ring

5 rings in miami = 0.5 rings... 0.1 for every collusion, quit, chase, tampering, team mate shot


and thats if you ignore the kevin love tampering


i think this cleveland situation isnt much more respectable now that loves a member

[rlsmooth775]

Yeah it's time for kobe fans to move on and admit lebron is better. Rookie lebron wouldn't come off the bench to replace Eddie jones

[poido123]

5 rings in miami = 1 ring in cleveland, the city that hasn't won anything sports related in some odd decades. lebron is already the most efficient player of all time, one more ring and his dominance would parallel wilt's, except on the perimeter.

seriously 2 rings and it wouldnt even be a discussion.

i assume he'll win a few more mvp's in the process too.


The city should not matter when your roster is stacked with talent.

What matters is the competition and what adversity the team will face in achieving a title.

Lebron has GO

[Mr Exlax]

I am sorry but i very much doubt it, Lebron at that age was a better player than Kobe... if anything it would be more closer to 1a/1b, i believe Lebron would have snatched 1 or 2 FMVPs & 1 or 2 MVPs during those 3 championship runs....

I disagree, but that's not what this thread is about. We both agree that LeBron is already ahead of Kobe

[fpliii]

It's skewed because of that horrendous Finals. And even though 2014 LeBron carried a heavier load offensively, had a better jumper / mid range game. I still think 2011 LeBron is better considering his consistent DPOY caliber versatility on that end.

He had a great playoffs leading up to the Finals. Arguably better than the playoffs he had this past year.


Kind of a similar deal here. 2003 Kobe was definitely better defensively than 2007 Kobe, so that's why he would get the nod from me. Kobe had a rough start to the year in 2007 due to coming back from knee surgery.

What about you?
Good point about 11 LeBron's defense (since he didn't play on that end consistently in 13 or 14), but I think he's much more reliable as a shooter and posting up now.

I like HGHbe (03), my favorite season to watch, and while he was better defensively at that point (though he was at his best on that end at the beginning of the threepeat), his scoring skillset was nearly complete.

I guess I could be overrating skillset and underrating D. Tough call, really.

[eliteballer]

2003 Kobe would murda any version of LeBron.

[mehyaM24]

i think it goes more like this



1 ring in cleveland = 1 ring

5 rings in miami = 0.5 rings... 0.1 for every collusion, quit, chase, tampering, team mate shot


and thats if you ignore the kevin love tampering


i think this cleveland situation isnt much more respectable now that loves a member

people have short memories. 10 years from now, nobody will care about that stuff.

honestly does the media even bring up jordan's gambling debts or his physical assault on steve kerr in means to diminish his legacy? kobe's rape charge? kareem's anti-social behavior? or magic's aids?

in the end, nobody will care about that. people do remember that cleveland hasn't won anything in 50 years. lebron brings a ring to that city and its almost unanimous. GOAT. 2 rings and even his worst haters would begin to accept it.

[rlsmooth775]

2003 Kobe would murda any version of LeBron.


Lol stop overrating kobe

[stalkerforlife]

No.

And Kobe was already voted higher on the ISH top 10 list.

[HOoopCityJones]

Nope.

[Bobby13]

No

[kennethgriffin]

people have short memories. 10 years from now, nobody will care about that stuff.

honestly does the media even bring up jordan's gambling debts or his physical assault on steve kerr in means to diminish his legacy? kobe's rape charge? kareem's anti-social behavior? or magic's aids?

in the end, nobody will care about that. people do remember that cleveland hasn't won anything in 50 years. lebron brings a ring to that city and its almost unanimous. GOAT. 2 rings and even his worst haters would begin to accept it.

are you serious? the only reason stuff got forgotten in the past was because social media wasnt nearly as exposed to the information. that and it wasnt nearly as easy to look up

but today anything and everything is found online. and people are reminded daily of new things that people didnt know about for 30-40 years. stuff that was burried but is now coming out

like jordan getting his dunk blocked by some highschool *******

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[mehyaM24]

are you serious? the only reason stuff got forgotten in the past was because social media wasnt nearly as exposed to the information. that and it wasnt nearly as easy to look up

but today anything and everything is found online. and people are reminded daily of new things that people didnt know about for 30-40 years. stuff that was burried but is now coming out

like jordan getting his dunk blocked by some highschool *******

:roll: :roll: :roll:

don't be naive. jordan retired 10 years ago and is seemingly always in the news, yet his added baggage is still never mentioned.

which proves my point.

people dont care about personalities or stuff off the court. its about results.

a ring in cleveland = fairy tale. the media would go nuts, as would most

[Keno]

the only argument kobe has over lebron are shaq's rings lmao. legit no stat, eye test or anything favors kobe.

[Le Shaqtus]

Absolutely not.

Skill wise? yes.

Career wise? No.

[kennethgriffin]

the only argument kobe has over lebron are shaq's rings lmao. legit no stat, eye test or anything favors kobe.

youre like a less talented dragic4life

[sbw19]

Kobe 3-peated. LeBron couldn't.

Kobe won with 2 different teams. LeBron's yet to do that.

Kobe has 5 titles. LeBron has two.

I once mentioned in another thread LeBron needs 2 more titles to be comfortably ahead of Kobe all-time. By the same token, if Kobe *somehow* manages to win title #6, LeBron will never best him when it comes to all-time rankings.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe 3-peated. LeBron couldn't.

Kobe won with 2 different teams. LeBron's yet to do that.

Kobe has 5 titles. LeBron has two.

I once mentioned in another thread LeBron needs 2 more titles to be comfortably ahead of Kobe all-time. By the same token, if Kobe *somehow* manages to win title #6, LeBron will never best him when it comes to all-time rankings.

:applause:

[jstern]

Yes.

And if you remember a few days after he won his second Finals MVP, that's all that the majority on ISH talked about. So it's funny how it changes depending on the moment. But the way Lebron has dominated the league, yes.

Like Keno said, the only argument Kobe has are Shaq's rings.

[Paul George 24]

A coward is the better than kobe :banana:

[bizil]

He isn't past Kobe yet. But u can make the case he's past Bird though. Kobe's resume dictates him being rated as high as number six GOAT wise. The top five GOAT to me are MJ, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, and Russell. From there u got the guys like Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, and Bron. I think Kobe and Duncan are six and seven interchangeably. So know u can't put Bron on Kobe's level yet. But for Bron to be a top 10 GOAT guy before he hits 30 years of age after nearly 70 years of NBA history is an EPIC FEAT! But Bron will go down at the GOAT most versatile player. Nobody is as complete and versatile on both sides of the rock. Plus Lebron has a GREAT CHANCE to put up at least 30,000 points, 10,000 assists, and 10,000 rebounds in his career. That's SCARY ASS VERSATILITY!

[Real14]

He isn't past Kobe yet. But u can make the case he's past Bird though. Kobe's resume dictates him being rated as high as number six GOAT wise. The top five GOAT to me are MJ, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, and Russell. From there u got the guys like Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, and Bron. I think Kobe and Duncan are six and seven interchangeably. So know u can't put Bron on Kobe's level yet. But for Bron to be a top 10 GOAT guy before he hits 30 years of age after nearly 70 years of NBA history is an EPIC FEAT!
http://media.masslive.com/celtics_impact/photo/11106289-large.jpg

[HOoopCityJones]

He isn't past Kobe yet. But u can make the case he's past Bird though. Kobe's resume dictates him being rated as high as number six GOAT wise. The top five GOAT to me are MJ, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, and Russell. From there u got the guys like Kobe, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, and Bron. I think Kobe and Duncan are six and seven interchangeably. So know u can't put Bron on Kobe's level yet. But for Bron to be a top 10 GOAT guy before he hits 30 years of age after nearly 70 years of NBA history is an EPIC FEAT! But Bron will go down at the GOAT most versatile player. Nobody is as complete and versatile on both sides of the rock. Plus Lebron has a GREAT CHANCE to put up at least 30,000 points, 10,000 assists, and 10,000 rebounds in his career. That's SCARY ASS VERSATILITY!

Who is the babe in your Ava? :bowdown:

[Keno]

youre like a less talented dragic4life

no rebuttal. you know i'm right.

[poido123]

no rebuttal. you know i'm right.


Dubeta/lebronxrings leaves, this guy appears :oldlol:

How about that

[HOoopCityJones]

This Dragic guy's alts is half the damn 2014 class. smh.

[Real14]

Dubeta/lebronxrings leaves, this guy appears :oldlol:

How about that
yep, silk the cocker will make his return soon too.

[bizil]

http://media.masslive.com/celtics_impact/photo/11106289-large.jpg

U can make the case Bron is past Bird! Line up Bron's resume to Bird's resume and it EASILY STACKS UP! I got mad respect for Bird but time goes on! Bron has accumulated the resume for that argument. To be frank, it's only a matter of time before Bron FOR SURE is the GOAT SF! If anything, Bird will have a better argument peak value wise than he will GOAT wise in the upcoming years!

[Real14]

U can make the case Bron is past Bird! Line up Bron's resume to Bird's resume and it EASILY STACKS UP! I got mad respect for Bird but time goes on! Bron has accumulated the resume for that argument. To be frank, it's only a matter of time before Bron FOR SURE is the GOAT SF! If anything, Bird will have a better argument peak value wise than he will GOAT wise in the upcoming years!
Man Lebronna is not even better than dr.j. Bird has 3 rings which are not asterisks meanwhile LeBron has 2 asterisks for rings.

[bizil]

Man Lebronna is not even better than dr.j. Bird has 3 rings which are not asterisks meanwhile LeBron has 2 asterisks for rings.


GOAT wise for TOTAL BASKETBALL RESUME Dr. J in my opinion is the GOAT SF! Above both Bron and Bird. Secondly, Bird's surrounding parts were better than Bron's. How in the hell does Bron have two asterisks for rings?

[SouBeachTalents]

GOAT wise for TOTAL BASKETBALL RESUME Dr. J in my opinion is the GOAT SF! Above both Bron and Bird. Secondly, Bird's surrounding parts were better than Bron's. How in the hell does Bron have two asterisks for rings?

Lockout/Ray Allen

Great reasoning I know

[zoom17]

Lebron> Kobe eventually.

[DaSeba5]

Nope. At least not yet.

I have it as 9.) Kobe, 10.) LeBron

[Real14]

GOAT wise for TOTAL BASKETBALL RESUME Dr. J in my opinion is the GOAT SF! Above both Bron and Bird. Secondly, Bird's surrounding parts were better than Bron's. How in the hell does Bron have two asterisks for rings?
2012, theres videos where refs cheated in games for the heat to win including a shorter season. 2013 was pop's fault and it seem like he got payed under the table for sitting Duncan on the bench on purpose for that final play for bosh to get an easy ass rebound for a wide open allen to hit that 3. Lebron had more stacked teams though.

[Real14]

Nope. At least not yet.

I have it as 9.) Kobe, 10.) LeBron
:roll:

[Real14]

Lebron> Kobe eventually.
in what? hair loss?

[JohnFreeman]

of course

[DaSeba5]

:roll:

Explain. He's at least in the top 15. If you have Hakeem at 10 over him then I understand. But either way he's 10 or 11 to me.

[Real14]

Explain. He's at least in the top 15. If you have Hakeem at 10 over him then I understand. But either way he's 10 or 11 to me.
I know u only like him cuz stern gave your city two undeserving titles and I respect that from your perspective but Lebron messed up his legacy bro. He deserves to be in the top25- 30 range.

[DaSeba5]

I know u only like him cuz stern gave your city two undeserving titles and I respect that from your perspective but Lebron messed up his legacy bro. He deserves to be in the top25- 30 range.

I don't care about LeBron that much so I won't bother to argue about that, but Miami won those titles. Stop that nonsense. Stern didn't give us anything.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Explain. He's at least in the top 15. If you have Hakeem at 10 over him then I understand. But either way he's 10 or 11 to me.
You should know better than to ask Real14 to explain his opinions.

[Real14]

You should know better than to ask Real14 to explain his opinions.
You are a known hater and a bandwagoner tho. At least me and DaSeba5 stick to our teams:coleman:

[J Shuttlesworth]

You are a known hater and a bandwagoner tho. At least me and DaSeba5 stick to our teams:coleman:

You can stick to your team all you want, it doesn't mean that your opinion isn't absolute horseshit, and biased.

[Real14]

I don't care about LeBron that much so I won't bother to argue about that, but Miami won those titles. Stop that nonsense. Stern didn't give us anything.
Im sorry to break it to you but he did.

[Real14]

You can stick to your team all you want, it doesn't mean that your opinion isn't absolute horseshit, and biased.
My opinion is not biased.

[SouBeachTalents]

My opinion is not biased.

:roll:

[Real14]

:roll:
:confusedshrug:

[Sportal]

I would say, by the end of it all. Lebron will be higher, but he's got like another 7 seasons..

[andgar923]

Yes

I have no bias towards either player.

Kobe is a more refined offensive player, with a plethora of moves, the closest to MJ's all around game. At times he's amazing to watch play.

But Bron is just more dominant and effective. Doesn't have to score to leave his mark on a game, but can be devastating when he decides to press that button. He may not be as refined as Kobe, but is a more formidable offensive weapon when he decides to score.

All around game and impact Bron>>> Kobe

Sorry Befans, it is what it is.

[Big#50]

They are on the same tier. Cases can be made for both.

[Prometheus]

No. I think he will surpass Kobe with time, but LeBron still has work to do.

[KOBE143]

NO

and LeChoke will never surpass Kobe the GOAT (Gawd Of All Time) :bowdown:

[That_Admiral]

no

[Rodmantheman]

yes lebron has like 8+ years left.

[rlsmooth775]

Lebron superior to kobe on offense and defense it isn't even close

[TheMan]

I have LeBron at 11 and Kobe at 9.

No

[TheMan]

yes

it's a general consensus among players, experts and fans
Lol, only among teenagers and other ignoramuses. Serious minded people hardly have LeBron as a top 10 RIGHT NOW...

[TheMan]

I am sorry but i very much doubt it, Lebron at that age was a better player than Kobe... if anything it would be more closer to 1a/1b, i believe Lebron would have snatched 1 or 2 FMVPs & 1 or 2 MVPs during those 3 championship runs....
:facepalm

Dude, peak Shaq was a GOAT peak/dominance, no way in ****ing hell a 22 year LeBron is anywhere near Shaq level. Even peak/prime LeBron still falls short of Shaq's dominance. Seems to me like you really didn't pay attention to 99-2003 Shaq or you wouldn't claim that.

[knicksman]

Yes

I have no bias towards either player.

Kobe is a more refined offensive player, with a plethora of moves, the closest to MJ's all around game. At times he's amazing to watch play.

But Bron is just more dominant and effective. Doesn't have to score to leave his mark on a game, but can be devastating when he decides to press that button. He may not be as refined as Kobe, but is a more formidable offensive weapon when he decides to score.

All around game and impact Bron>>> Kobe

Sorry Befans, it is what it is.

yeah thats why kobe +8.3 in the playoffs to brans +8.2. LOL

[Cold soul]

Nope.

[JohnFreeman]

I have LeBron at 9 and Kobe at about 12

[White Mamba]

to rank Lebron over Kobe at this point means not only you don't respect Kobe but you don't respect Lebron.

[ImKobe]

I have LeBron at 9 and Kobe at about 12

I bet you do.

[monkeypox]

narp

[fiddy]

hell no

[BIZARRO]

Yes, I actually have Lebron a couple spots ahead of Kobe all time. Based on his overall floor impact.

[ralph_i_el]

Duh. Too many Kobe alts for this to be a real poll though

[AirFederer]

They share #15 :cheers:


Respectfully,

-tihibanan

[Jameerthefear]

Definitely.

[Encre92]

Without question.

I have Lebron at 6. Kobe at 15.

[Wally450]

Depends on if you value Kobe's 3 more championships as a sidekick/not the best player/MVP/FMVP in his team... over Lebron's 3 more MVP's as the best player in the NBA....

Let's be real, this era is so weak that the MVPs are pretty much LeBron's to lose. That's why the MVP award isn't really taken serious today.

As for Kobe playing second fiddle to Shaq? Were gonna act like LeBron didn't get a ton of help from Wade and Bosh? LeBron was the leader, but Wade and Bosh did their fair share to get LeBron his rings.

Kobe is higher right now. LeBron could close the gap with a chip or two in Cleveland.

[Real14]

Definitely.
Still mad about 09:roll:

[Real14]

Without question.

I have Lebron at 6. Kobe at 15.
Reported for supreme stupidity.

[Nash]

So we're comparing 2 individuals? Cool..

Individual accolades:
Lebron: 6
Kobe: 3

Add championships + Shaq's FMVP rings and you got a draw at 8-8 with Lebron not even turned 30.

[JohnFreeman]

So we're comparing 2 individuals? Cool..

Individual accolades:
Lebron: 6
Kobe: 3

Add championships + Shaq's FMVP rings and you got a draw at 8-8 with Lebron not even turned 30.
:lebronamazed:

[Jlamb47]

NOO

[pegasus]

Of course no.

[Real14]

So we're comparing 2 individuals? Cool..

Individual accolades:
Lebron: 6
Kobe: 3

Add championships + Shaq's FMVP rings and you got a draw at 8-8 with Lebron not even turned 30.

Lebron: 2 and 4 asterisks
Kobe: 3

[ballinhun8]

Nope.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Not even close.

[Trollsmasher]

too many LeBron alts were banned in the last week to win this voting:lol

[Bandito]

Nope. He has a lot of path to travel before that happens. But he is on his way though.

[Bandito]

too many LeBron alts were banned in the last week to win this voting:lol
That happens when you a retard. Plus most of them are the same person anyways...

[TheMan]

Without question.

I have Lebron at 6. Kobe at 15.
Lol, would love to see your top 10...on second thought, no I wouldn't :facepalm

[Real14]

Lol, would love to see your top 10...on second thought, no I wouldn't :facepalm
:oldlol:

[TheMan]

Anybody got a tally so far, looks like the nays are far ahead.

[Lebron23]

Yes

[riseagainst]

Anybody got a tally so far, looks like the nays are far ahead.

jesus. I stopped counting after thread 9 or so and there were 30+ nays. And I think single digit yes.

:oldlol:

[dubeta]

Good job OP, create this thread the day the entire LeBron family was banned :applause: :roll:

[riseagainst]

Good job OP, create this thread the day the entire LeBron family was banned :applause: :roll:


dam... that was fast. You made bail?

and by family i think you mean 1 person with multiple persona retard-ism.

[dubeta]

dam... that was fast. You made bail?

The LeBron Family is everywhere, we cant be defeated... :no:

[Real14]

Good job OP, create this thread the day the entire LeBron family was banned :applause: :roll:
The Lebron family is one of the gayest phrases that I've ever heard:coleman:

[boozehound]

yes. there is no doubt that he is a more transcendent player and will be remembered in years to come.

[riseagainst]

so 1/5 of the banned has been released

waiting for it to be 2/5 soon, or has it already happened?

[dubeta]

Btw the consensus on ISH is that LeBron >> Kobe all time already

In the recent ISH voting, for the #10th spot LeBron got the most votes but OP "conveniently" forgot to count those votes


LeBron > Kobe according to ISH

[DaSeba5]

The LeBron Family is everywhere, we cant be defeated... :no:

Damn it's like a virus.

[aj1987]

They're pretty close right now. I'd rank Kobe over LeBron though. Another ring and LeBron is definitely over Kobe.

[Bandito]

Damn it's like a virus.
Its a virus called an alt, where all the Lebron family are the same person suffering from the alt virus which make them invent new personalities.