was dwyane wade EVER the best player in the league?

[mehyaM24]

imo, lebron has been the best player since 2006, 2008 no latest.

yea, he had that finals run in 2006, but his own teammate, alonzo mourning, said right after winning a ring that kobe was better.

:confusedshrug:

[Meticode]

Top 3.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

imo, lebron has been the best player since 2006, 2008 no latest.

yea, he had that finals run in 2006, but his own teammate, alonzo mourning, said right after winning a ring that kobe was better.

:confusedshrug:

They need to turn on negs again.

[mehyaM24]

They need to turn on negs again.
ok?

lebron, statistically, has had the most win shares and BEST player efficiency since 2006.

[Meticode]

I remember this about a week ago that someone said Wade was never a top 3 player ever at any point of his career. I think it was DukeDelonte.

[Smook A.]

ok?

lebron, statistically, has had the most win shares and BEST player efficiency since 2006.
Kobe was arguably better from 2006-2010

[NBAplayoffs2001]

ok?

lebron, statistically, has had the most win shares and BEST player efficiency since 2006.

Also has the most final losses out of all the stars :confusedshrug:

[kennethgriffin]

maybe statistically once in 2009 or maybe finals wise in 2006


but overall ? na... best player in the league doesnt switch from a month to month basis. i think of it more as a title or a torch


1990-1993 = jordan
1994-1995 = hakeem
1996-1998 = jordan
1999-2002 = shaq
2003-2005 = duncan
2006-2010 = kobe
2011-2014 = lebron

[GrapeApe]

I'd say he was in the discussion in '06, '07 pre injury, and '09.

[SouBeachTalents]

imo, lebron has been the best player since 2006, 2008 no latest.

yea, he had that finals run in 2006, but his own teammate, alonzo mourning, said right after winning a ring that kobe was better.

:confusedshrug:

You could make an argument for 2006 or 2009

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

2006-Kobe, Dirk, Duncan and KG
2007-Kobe, Nash, KG, Duncan, Dirk, Lebron
2008-CP3, KG, Kobe, Lebron, Dirk
2009-Kobe

2010 IMO Wade was the best. Look how Kobe and Lebron struggled against Boston. Wade lit em up he had the worst roster by far compared to the other 2 so its no surprise they couldnt win.

[mehyaM24]

Also has the most final losses out of all the stars :confusedshrug:

team achievements lol

lebron averaged 27 on 57% shooting this past finals. miami still lost in 5.

[TheNaturalWR]

Wade was the best player in the league in 07' before injury. He was top 2 in 09' with LeBron, top 3 in 2010, and top 2/3 in 2011 with LeBron and Dirk. You could say he was never the best player in the league but you're a fool if you don't think he was consistently top 3.

[ralph_i_el]

Also has the most final losses out of all the stars :confusedshrug:
Oh shi-


That's a good one dude how did you think that up?

Only huge scrubs make the finals and then don't win:facepalm why even bother making the playoffs? Just pull a Kobe and miss the playoffs altogether!

[Kingwillball]

No Wade was never the best..

[tpols]

His best case is 2010 imo..

[Real14]

Top 3.
End thread. He was the 3rd best player in 2010.

[Papaya Petee]

Individually basketball ability wise Wade was definitely the best player in 2008-2009. If you include team success and playoff domination you can argue 2005-2006. In 09-10 and 10-11he was top 3. Pre injury 2006-2007 many thought he was the best.

[Big#50]

maybe statistically once in 2009 or maybe finals wise in 2006


but overall ? na... best player in the league doesnt switch from a month to month basis. i think of it more as a title or a torch


1990-1993 = jordan
1994-1995 = hakeem
1996-1998 = jordan
1999-2002 = shaq
2003-2005 = duncan
2006-2010 = kobe
2011-2014 = lebron
How was KOBE the best in 07 and 08?

[mehyaM24]

imo, wade's injuries, inconsistent and lazy play hurt his legacy a TON

- 2006, worse stats than both kobe and lebron; teammate says kobe was better
-injured in 2007
-injured in 2008
-2009,behind kobe and lebron in mvp voting/bowed out in the playoffs
-2010,behind kobe and lebron in mvp voting/knocked out of the first round
-2011,behind lebron in mvp voting; worse stats across the board
-same as 2012
-same as 2013
-same as 2014

now that i think about it, pretty clear wade was never the best in the league

[bizil]

No but he was CERTAINLY in the top 3-5 at certain points. I would go so far to say that peak wise, Wade is the best player EVER 6'4 and under. I would take Wade over West, AI, Isiah, Thompson, Paul, Cousy, Frazier, Payton, Pearl, or Tiny! Gotta remember the SG's like MJ and Kobe are 6'6 and could move up front and play SF in addition to SG and PG. So even though AI was FOR SURE undersized at SG, Wade was also somewhat undersized too. All the other SG's in that early 2000s Golden Era were anywhere from 6'5 to nearly 6'9.

[GrapeApe]

imo, wade's injuries, inconsistent and lazy play hurt his legacy a TON

- 2006, worse stats than both kobe and lebron; teammate says kobe was better
-injured in 2007
-injured in 2008
-2009,behind kobe and lebron in mvp voting/bowed out in the playoffs
-2010,behind kobe and lebron in mvp voting/knocked out of the first round
-2011,behind lebron in mvp voting; worse stats across the board
-same as 2012
-same as 2013
-same as 2014

now that i think about it, pretty clear wade was never the best in the league

You failedl to mention Wade's '06 playoffs where he was CLEARLY the best player, yet you mention his '09 and '10 first round exits as a slight against him. Inconsistent much? Also, you must think Nash was the best player in the league in '05 and '06 right? Rose in '11? You cited MVP voting so I can only assume that is your conclusion. Also, please show me where Mourning said Kobe was better than Wade after the finals. Even if he did, it's a pretty weak argument. Shaq called Wade the best. See, I can play that game too.

[Real14]

No but he was CERTAINLY in the top 3-5 at certain points. I would go so far to say that peak wise, Wade is the best player EVER 6'4 and under. I would take Wade over West, AI, Isiah, Thompson, Paul, Cousy, Frazier, Payton, Pearl, or Tiny! Gotta remember the SG's like MJ and Kobe are 6'6 and could move up front and play SF in addition to SG and PG. So even though AI was FOR SURE undersized at SG, Wade was also somewhat undersized too. All the other SG's in that early 2000s Golden Era were anywhere from 6'5 to nearly 6'9.
http://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/allen-iverson.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

You failedl to mention Wade's '06 playoffs where he was CLEARLY the best player, yet you mention his '09 and '10 first round exits as a slight against him. Inconsistent much? Also, you must think Nash was the best player in the league in '05 and '06 right? Rose in '11? You cited MVP voting so I can only assume that is your conclusion. Also, please show me where Mourning said Kobe was better than Wade after the finals. Even if he did, it's a pretty weak argument. Shaq called Wade the best. See, I can play that game too.

Lol, no point in arguing with him, he clearly has an agenda

[JohnFreeman]

I remember this about a week ago that someone said Wade was never a top 3 player ever at any point of his career. I think it was DukeDelonte.
:roll:

[bizil]

http://ionetheurbandaily.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/allen-iverson.jpg

I love AI to death! But give me peak Wade over peak AI! The size, skill, and freak athletic ability Wade gives him the edge over AI. But in terms of peak value for players 6'4 and under, I think Wade, West, AI, and Isiah are the top 4.

[mehyaM24]

You failedl to mention Wade's '06 playoffs where he was CLEARLY the best player, yet you mention his '09 and '10 first round exits as a slight against him. Inconsistent much? Also, you must think Nash was the best player in the league in '05 and '06 right? Rose in '11? You cited MVP voting so I can only assume that is your conclusion. Also, please show me where Mourning said Kobe was better than Wade after the finals. Even if he did, it's a pretty weak argument. Shaq called Wade the best. See, I can play that game too.

i mentioned his 2006 run. thing is, kobe and lebron were both statistically better and were higher in mvp voting for AT LEAST 3/4 of the year.

in 09 and 10, not only was he behind lebron and kobe in mvp voting, but had worse stats (including playoffs) and team play.

post 2006 finals, mourning on kobe: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4331

his word > shaq's (my favorite player), because in all honesty, he is 100% without bias.

[DaSeba5]

Sadly no, but he's definitely been in the top 3 and top 5 a lot. He just played in LeBron and Kobe's eras.

[Real14]

I love AI to death! But give me peak Wade over peak AI! The size, skill, and freak athletic ability Wade gives him the edge over AI. But in terms of peak value for players 6'4 and under, I think Wade, West, AI, and Isiah are the top 4.
Let me ask you this... Have Wade ever led a team like 2001 sixers to the finals?

[GrapeApe]

i mentioned his 2006 run. thing is, kobe and lebron were both statistically better and were higher in mvp voting for AT LEAST 3/4 of the year.

in 09 and 10, not only was he behind lebron and kobe in mvp voting, but had worse stats (including playoffs) and team play.

post 2006 finals, mourning on kobe: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4331

his word > shaq's (my favorite player), because in all honesty, he is 100% without bias.

Props for posting the link. I'm a bit suprised by Zo's comments but I don't know the context or tone of the interview. Remember, Wade was only in his 3rd year and Kobe was an established veteran superstar so perhaps it was out of respect. Regardless, Wade has a strong case as the best player that year when factoring in his post season performance. As I mentioned before, he was certainly in the discussion for multiple seasons.

[bizil]

Let me ask you this... Have Wade ever led a team like 2001 sixers to the finals?

Wade was EASILY as capable of doing the same thing AI did. EASILY!! I give AI mad props for getting that team there. Only a true alpha dog superstar kind of talent could have done that. It would have to be a guy that was a great scorer and great passer in one. Wade was EASILY of that cloth.

[Cold soul]

Nope. Wade was in the top 3 several years though especially in 06 and 09.

[russwest0]

ok?

lebron, statistically, has had the most win shares and BEST player efficiency since 2006.

not last year

[Encre92]

Overrated ref-manufactured "superstar".

No he was never the best player in the league.:facepalm

[Nashty]

Wade>>>>Kobe every day of the week :cheers:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Top 3 to 5:

2006
2007 (pre injury)
2009
2010
2011

[ImKobe]

Wade>>>>Kobe every day of the week :cheers:

1 alpha ring (with 3 HOFs on team) and two sidekick rings (real sidekick rings) vs 2 alpha rings and 3 better-than-sidekick rings + an MVP

:oldlol:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

1 alpha ring (with 3 HOFs on team) and two sidekick rings (real sidekick rings) vs 2 alpha rings and 3 better-than-sidekick rings + an MVP

:oldlol:
2000 Kobe wasnt any better than 2012 Wade:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

1 alpha ring (with 3 HOFs on team) and two sidekick rings (real sidekick rings) vs 2 alpha rings and 3 better-than-sidekick rings + an MVP

:oldlol:

:facepalm I guess context shouldn't be used

[Heavincent]

No, but he was top 3 in 06, 09, 10, and 11.

[AnaheimLakers24]

2/5
bran has a small dick
his fanbase is literally gay

[DukeDelonte13]

I remember this about a week ago that someone said Wade was never a top 3 player ever at any point of his career. I think it was DukeDelonte.


it was me, i don't think it's that controversial of a statement.

[SouBeachTalents]

it was me, i don't think it's that controversial of a statement.

:roll:

[DukeDelonte13]

:roll:


:rolleyes:

After Lebron and Kobe, is Wade really that far and away better than Dirk or Dwight was during that same time frame? I think it's pretty debatable.

IMO Kobe and Lebron are a clear 1, and 2. Wade was never a clear 3.

[SouBeachTalents]

:rolleyes:

After Lebron and Kobe, is Wade really that far and away better than Dirk or Dwight was during that same time frame? I think it's pretty debatable.

IMO Kobe and Lebron are a clear 1, and 2. Wade was never a clear 3.

Wade was WITHOUT A DOUBT a top 3 player in 2009, and it's extremely arguable he was in 2006 & 2010 as well, and as some have said, you could throw '07 and '11 in as well as seasons he was in the 3-5 range.

[DukeDelonte13]

Wade was WITHOUT A DOUBT a top 3 player in 2009, and it's extremely arguable he was in 2006 & 2010 as well, and as some have said, you could throw '07 and '11 in as well as seasons he was in the 3-5 range.

Dwight leads his team to the finals in 09 and what did Dwade do that season again? 43 wins?

I mean if it's an unpopular opinion of mine that's what it is. I don't care.

[SouBeachTalents]

Dwight leads his team to the finals in 09 and what did Dwade do that season again? 43 wins?

I mean if it's an unpopular opinion of mine that's what it is. I don't care.

So I guess by this genius logic, Kobe wasn't a top 3 player in 06-07? Same with KG and T-Mac while on the T-Wolves & Magic

[CelticBalla32]

Tough to be the best when you're playing at the same time as Kobe & LeBron. Wade has absolutely been in the discussion, though, without question. If you don't think he has at least been top 3, you're a hater.

[tmacattack33]

2006 and 2009 are about 50/50. I'd give him one of them.

[Frozen1]

He went to the second round of playoffs in hi rookie season.

To the ecf in his second year.

Won a finais in his third.

At worst he was the Best player in 2009.

Watching too much espn will make you think only kobe and lebron exist.

[TheNaturalWR]

I don't know how 2011 is arguable at all. He was the best IMO factoring in both regular season and postseason. Was dominant in the regular season, dominant in every single playoff series except the Bulls one(even though he came up HUGE at the end of games) and was the best players in the Finals. I don't care if Dirk was the Finals MVP everybody knew Wade was the best player games 1-5 and wasn't until he got hip checked where he slowed down.

[Day La Ghetto]

06',pre 07',09',10,11'

5 seasons you could argue he was the best.

05' and '12 id say you could argue top 5 .

'08(even injured)13',14' id say hes top 15

[GrapeApe]

Watching too much espn will make you think only kobe and lebron exist.

There's some truth to this actually. Wade had a TON of media momentum in '07 and never fully regained it after the injury. He was the frontrunner for MVP averaging 29/8/6 on 30+PER and was gaining steam as being the best player in the game. If not for the injury he likely goes on to win the MVP we're talking about him as a near concensus top 15 player right now.

[dubeta]

Hmm. imo bran has basically been the best from 2008-2014 so no

2009 is probably the closest but wade was probably tied 2a/2b/2c with Dwight and Kobe

There were a lot of people you could put in the 2nd slot in 2009

2006 was just a Finals run, if you think Wade was the best just cause of the finals then thats like saying Dirk was the best player in 2011 :facepalm

[TheNaturalWR]

Dwight leads his team to the finals in 09 and what did Dwade do that season again? 43 wins?

I mean if it's an unpopular opinion of mine that's what it is. I don't care.

30/7/5/2/1 49% FG, one of the greatest non-Jordan seasons this league has ever seen ---------> not top 3. :facepalm

[GrapeApe]

2006 was just a Finals run, if you think Wade was the best just cause of the finals then thats like saying Dirk was the best player in 2011 :facepalm

2006 was most definitely NOT just a finals run. He averaged 27/7/6 for the season and 28/6/6 for the playoffs. His finals performance actually somewhat overshadows how great he was the entire year.

[tpols]

Dwight leads his team to the finals in 09 and what did Dwade do that season again? 43 wins?

I mean if it's an unpopular opinion of mine that's what it is. I don't care.

Im almost never one to defend dwhistle, but Dwights supporting cast and coaching > Wade's in 09.. and its not close.

[Young X]

Wade's combination of regular season and playoffs was the best in 2011.

[G-train]

Dwight leads his team to the finals in 09 and what did Dwade do that season again? 43 wins?

I mean if it's an unpopular opinion of mine that's what it is. I don't care.

Dwight couldn't carry Wade's b@llsack into the arena.

Any year, ever.

[Kingwillball]

2006 was most definitely NOT just a finals run. He averaged 27/7/6 for the season and 28/6/6 for the playoffs. His finals performance actually somewhat overshadows how great he was the entire year.

He averaged 27,7,5 to be technical. He was top 3 but Lebron usually outplayed him head to head and his teams won even in wades best years.

[KBaller33]

Pretty sure the consensus pre LeBron's decision was that Wade was #3 behind Kobe and LeBron.