Lead the league in PER

[rlsmooth775]

Jordan 7
Lebron 6
Kobe 0

Why is kobe compared with these guys

[stalkerforlife]

Because PER was made up by a stat nerd that wanted drones to follow it and make him some money.

[kennethgriffin]

career per

1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.79
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Chris Paul 25.59
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Dwyane Wade 25.29
9. Neil Johnston* 24.69
10. Charles Barkley* 24.63
11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
12. Tim Duncan 24.56
13. Kevin Durant 24.53
14. Magic Johnson* 24.11
15. Karl Malone* 23.90
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Larry Bird* 23.50
18. Dirk Nowitzki 23.48
19. Kobe Bryant 23.36
20. Oscar Robertson* 23.17
21. Yao Ming 23.02
22. Kevin Garnett 22.92
23. Jerry West* 22.89
24. Elgin Baylor* 22.69
25. Moses Malone* 22.31
26. Tracy McGrady 22.13
27. Dwight Howard 22.09
28. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.03
29. Dolph Schayes* 21.98
30. Julius Erving* 21.97
31. John Stockton* 21.83
32. George Gervin* 21.74
33. Bob Lanier* 21.69
34. Dominique Wilkins* 21.56
35. Clyde Lovellette* 21.55
36. Adrian Dantley* 21.51
37. Pau Gasol 21.49
38. Harry Gallatin* 21.48
39. Manu Ginobili 21.46
40. Alonzo Mourning* 21.24
41. Carmelo Anthony 21.17
42. Clyde Drexler* 21.07
43. Patrick Ewing* 21.01
44. Dan Issel* 20.99
45. Chris Webber 20.94
46. Allen Iverson 20.92
47. Al Jefferson 20.84
48. John Drew 20.74
49. Bob McAdoo* 20.73
50. Elton Brand 20.72
51. Kevin Johnson 20.70
52. Chris Bosh 20.62
53. George Yardley* 20.51
54. Ed Macauley* 20.39
55. Paul Pierce 20.36
56. Larry Foust 20.19
57. Rick Barry* 20.16
58. Artis Gilmore* 20.16
59. Marques Johnson 20.11
60. Vince Carter 20.03
61. Kevin McHale* 20.02
62. LaMarcus Aldridge 19.98
63. Steve Nash 19.95
64. Larry Nance 19.92
65. Alex English* 19.87
66. Walt Bellamy* 19.84
67. Bob Cousy* 19.76
68. Terrell Brandon 19.69
69. David Thompson* 19.68
70. Carlos Boozer 19.66
71. Paul Arizin* 19.66
72. Mark Price 19.62
73. Gilbert Arenas 19.57
74. Zach Randolph 19.56
75. Cliff Hagan* 19.50
76. Sam Cassell 19.48
77. Michael Redd 19.48
78. Paul Westphal 19.43
79. Billy Cunningham* 19.38
80. Robert Parish* 19.22
81. David Lee 19.22
82. Bernard King* 19.18
83. Walt Frazier* 19.12
84. Deron Williams 19.12
85. Bailey Howell* 19.11
86. Tony Parker 19.08
87. Shawn Kemp 19.08
88. Walter Davis 19.07
89. Shawn Marion 19.03
90. Grant Hill 19.03
91. Mark Aguirre 19.02
92. Shareef Abdur-Rahim 19.02
93. Paul Millsap 18.92
94. Gary Payton* 18.88
95. Bill Russell* 18.87
96. Jerry Lucas* 18.86
97. David West 18.86
98. Brad Daugherty 18.85
99. Chauncey Billups 18.82
100. World B. Free 18.78
101. Chris Mullin* 18.78
102. Andrei Kirilenko 18.75
103. Stephon Marbury 18.74
104. Sidney Moncrief 18.69
105. Sam Jones* 18.68
106. Scottie Pippen* 18.63
107. Tim Hardaway 18.61
108. Vern Mikkelsen* 18.60
109. Willis Reed* 18.57
110. Ray Allen 18.56
111. George McGinnis 18.55
112. Gus Williams 18.51
113. Zydrunas Ilgauskas 18.49
114. Pete Maravich* 18.38
115. Kiki Vandeweghe 18.37
116. Reggie Miller* 18.36
117. Steve Francis 18.35
118. Alvan Adams 18.32
119. Terry Cummings 18.29
120. Bill Sharman* 18.21
121. Antawn Jamison 18.14
122. Isiah Thomas* 18.11



what a great formula

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[SouBeachTalents]

career per

1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.79
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Chris Paul 25.59
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Dwyane Wade 25.29
9. Neil Johnston* 24.69
10. Charles Barkley* 24.63
11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
12. Tim Duncan 24.56
13. Kevin Durant 24.53
14. Magic Johnson* 24.11
15. Karl Malone* 23.90
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Larry Bird* 23.50
18. Dirk Nowitzki 23.48
19. Kobe Bryant 23.36
20. Oscar Robertson* 23.17
21. Yao Ming 23.02
22. Kevin Garnett 22.92
23. Jerry West* 22.89
24. Elgin Baylor* 22.69
25. Moses Malone* 22.31
26. Tracy McGrady 22.13
27. Dwight Howard 22.09
28. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.03
29. Dolph Schayes* 21.98
30. Julius Erving* 21.97
31. John Stockton* 21.83
32. George Gervin* 21.74
33. Bob Lanier* 21.69
34. Dominique Wilkins* 21.56
35. Clyde Lovellette* 21.55
36. Adrian Dantley* 21.51
37. Pau Gasol 21.49
38. Harry Gallatin* 21.48
39. Manu Ginobili 21.46
40. Alonzo Mourning* 21.24
41. Carmelo Anthony 21.17
42. Clyde Drexler* 21.07
43. Patrick Ewing* 21.01
44. Dan Issel* 20.99
45. Chris Webber 20.94
46. Allen Iverson 20.92
47. Al Jefferson 20.84
48. John Drew 20.74
49. Bob McAdoo* 20.73
50. Elton Brand 20.72
51. Kevin Johnson 20.70
52. Chris Bosh 20.62
53. George Yardley* 20.51
54. Ed Macauley* 20.39
55. Paul Pierce 20.36
56. Larry Foust 20.19
57. Rick Barry* 20.16
58. Artis Gilmore* 20.16
59. Marques Johnson 20.11
60. Vince Carter 20.03
61. Kevin McHale* 20.02
62. LaMarcus Aldridge 19.98
63. Steve Nash 19.95
64. Larry Nance 19.92
65. Alex English* 19.87
66. Walt Bellamy* 19.84
67. Bob Cousy* 19.76
68. Terrell Brandon 19.69
69. David Thompson* 19.68
70. Carlos Boozer 19.66
71. Paul Arizin* 19.66
72. Mark Price 19.62
73. Gilbert Arenas 19.57
74. Zach Randolph 19.56
75. Cliff Hagan* 19.50
76. Sam Cassell 19.48
77. Michael Redd 19.48
78. Paul Westphal 19.43
79. Billy Cunningham* 19.38
80. Robert Parish* 19.22
81. David Lee 19.22
82. Bernard King* 19.18
83. Walt Frazier* 19.12
84. Deron Williams 19.12
85. Bailey Howell* 19.11
86. Tony Parker 19.08
87. Shawn Kemp 19.08
88. Walter Davis 19.07
89. Shawn Marion 19.03
90. Grant Hill 19.03
91. Mark Aguirre 19.02
92. Shareef Abdur-Rahim 19.02
93. Paul Millsap 18.92
94. Gary Payton* 18.88
95. Bill Russell* 18.87
96. Jerry Lucas* 18.86
97. David West 18.86
98. Brad Daugherty 18.85
99. Chauncey Billups 18.82
100. World B. Free 18.78
101. Chris Mullin* 18.78
102. Andrei Kirilenko 18.75
103. Stephon Marbury 18.74
104. Sidney Moncrief 18.69
105. Sam Jones* 18.68
106. Scottie Pippen* 18.63
107. Tim Hardaway 18.61
108. Vern Mikkelsen* 18.60
109. Willis Reed* 18.57
110. Ray Allen 18.56
111. George McGinnis 18.55
112. Gus Williams 18.51
113. Zydrunas Ilgauskas 18.49
114. Pete Maravich* 18.38
115. Kiki Vandeweghe 18.37
116. Reggie Miller* 18.36
117. Steve Francis 18.35
118. Alvan Adams 18.32
119. Terry Cummings 18.29
120. Bill Sharman* 18.21
121. Antawn Jamison 18.14
122. Isiah Thomas* 18.11



what a great formula

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Lol, when Russell came in 95th they should have just scrapped this thing or redid it

[kennethgriffin]

neil johnston > kareem, magic, bird, russell, kobe, duncan



:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

cliff paul = top 6 player all time

[kennethgriffin]

Lol, when Russell came in 95th they should have just scrapped this thing or redid it


15/22/4 + best defensive player in the league + 11 rings = 95th best ever

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[rlsmooth775]

neil johnston > kareem, magic, bird, russell, kobe, duncan



:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

cliff paul = top 6 player all time

PER can be used when comparing superstars

[rlsmooth775]

Should you be top 10 if you never lead the league in PER

[VIntageNOvel]

career per

1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.79
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Chris Paul 25.59
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Dwyane Wade 25.29
9. Neil Johnston* 24.69
10. Charles Barkley* 24.63
11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
12. Tim Duncan 24.56
13. Kevin Durant 24.53
14. Magic Johnson* 24.11
15. Karl Malone* 23.90
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Larry Bird* 23.50
18. Dirk Nowitzki 23.48
19. Kobe Bryant 23.36
20. Oscar Robertson* 23.17
21. Yao Ming 23.02
22. Kevin Garnett 22.92
23. Jerry West* 22.89
24. Elgin Baylor* 22.69
25. Moses Malone* 22.31
26. Tracy McGrady 22.13
27. Dwight Howard 22.09
28. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.03
29. Dolph Schayes* 21.98
30. Julius Erving* 21.97
31. John Stockton* 21.83
32. George Gervin* 21.74
33. Bob Lanier* 21.69
34. Dominique Wilkins* 21.56
35. Clyde Lovellette* 21.55
36. Adrian Dantley* 21.51
37. Pau Gasol 21.49
38. Harry Gallatin* 21.48
39. Manu Ginobili 21.46
40. Alonzo Mourning* 21.24
41. Carmelo Anthony 21.17
42. Clyde Drexler* 21.07
43. Patrick Ewing* 21.01
44. Dan Issel* 20.99
45. Chris Webber 20.94
46. Allen Iverson 20.92
47. Al Jefferson 20.84
48. John Drew 20.74
49. Bob McAdoo* 20.73
50. Elton Brand 20.72
51. Kevin Johnson 20.70
52. Chris Bosh 20.62
53. George Yardley* 20.51
54. Ed Macauley* 20.39
55. Paul Pierce 20.36
56. Larry Foust 20.19
57. Rick Barry* 20.16
58. Artis Gilmore* 20.16
59. Marques Johnson 20.11
60. Vince Carter 20.03
61. Kevin McHale* 20.02
62. LaMarcus Aldridge 19.98
63. Steve Nash 19.95
64. Larry Nance 19.92
65. Alex English* 19.87
66. Walt Bellamy* 19.84
67. Bob Cousy* 19.76
68. Terrell Brandon 19.69
69. David Thompson* 19.68
70. Carlos Boozer 19.66
71. Paul Arizin* 19.66
72. Mark Price 19.62
73. Gilbert Arenas 19.57
74. Zach Randolph 19.56
75. Cliff Hagan* 19.50
76. Sam Cassell 19.48
77. Michael Redd 19.48
78. Paul Westphal 19.43
79. Billy Cunningham* 19.38
80. Robert Parish* 19.22
81. David Lee 19.22
82. Bernard King* 19.18
83. Walt Frazier* 19.12
84. Deron Williams 19.12
85. Bailey Howell* 19.11
86. Tony Parker 19.08
87. Shawn Kemp 19.08
88. Walter Davis 19.07
89. Shawn Marion 19.03
90. Grant Hill 19.03
91. Mark Aguirre 19.02
92. Shareef Abdur-Rahim 19.02
93. Paul Millsap 18.92
94. Gary Payton* 18.88
95. Bill Russell* 18.87
96. Jerry Lucas* 18.86
97. David West 18.86
98. Brad Daugherty 18.85
99. Chauncey Billups 18.82
100. World B. Free 18.78
101. Chris Mullin* 18.78
102. Andrei Kirilenko 18.75
103. Stephon Marbury 18.74
104. Sidney Moncrief 18.69
105. Sam Jones* 18.68
106. Scottie Pippen* 18.63
107. Tim Hardaway 18.61
108. Vern Mikkelsen* 18.60
109. Willis Reed* 18.57
110. Ray Allen 18.56
111. George McGinnis 18.55
112. Gus Williams 18.51
113. Zydrunas Ilgauskas 18.49
114. Pete Maravich* 18.38
115. Kiki Vandeweghe 18.37
116. Reggie Miller* 18.36
117. Steve Francis 18.35
118. Alvan Adams 18.32
119. Terry Cummings 18.29
120. Bill Sharman* 18.21
121. Antawn Jamison 18.14
122. Isiah Thomas* 18.11



what a great formula

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

http://37.media.tumblr.com/8a70e424100186dcef7508cc65a65e84/tumblr_n7lkprAwUg1tfn6p6o1_1280.jpg

[kennethgriffin]

PER can be used when comparing superstars


out of the 121 guys ahead of isiah thomas... how many of them are superstars and deserve to be ranked ahead of isiah thomas?

[SouBeachTalents]

out of the 121 guys ahead of isiah thomas... how many of them are superstars and deserve to be ranked ahead of isiah thomas?


Carlos Boozer

[rlsmooth775]

out of the 121 guys ahead of isiah thomas... how many of them are superstars and deserve to be ranked ahead of isiah thomas?


Isiah Thomas as a individual player wasn't that amazing his team success might put him ahead of players in a all time list but he wasn't this amazing once every 20 years player

[HOoopCityJones]

Damn ....PER making me rethink my Top ten.

David Robinson should be second All-time on everyone's list from now on.

[stalkerforlife]

http://37.media.tumblr.com/8a70e424100186dcef7508cc65a65e84/tumblr_n7lkprAwUg1tfn6p6o1_1280.jpg

:roll:

[fpliii]

Lol, when Russell came in 95th they should have just scrapped this thing or redid it
PER doesn't exist before 77-78. basketball.reference.com just calculates it as if blocks, steals, turnovers, offensive rebounds are all zero before then (which hurts Russell, Wilt, Kareem a ton...we speculated about this last month, it probably adds 3-5 PER.

[oarabbus]

Lol, when Russell came in 95th they should have just scrapped this thing or redid it

They didn't record steals or blocks back then. You can ONLY compare players in the same era when it comes to PER. It doesn't translate across eras.

[rlsmooth775]

Lol kobe fans trying to ignore my op

Jordan 7
Lebron 6
Kobe 0
How could the amazing kobe bryant never be the most dominant statistically ever in his career

[kennethgriffin]

Isiah Thomas as a individual player wasn't that amazing his team success might put him ahead of players in a all time list but he wasn't this amazing once every 20 years player

watch game 6 of the 1988 nba finals

then get back to me

zeke is a legit 2 time finals mvp, 3 time nba champion

[HOoopCityJones]

PER doesn't exist before 77-78. basketball.reference.com just calculates it as if blocks, steals, turnovers, offensive rebounds are all zero before then (which hurts Russell, Wilt, Kareem a ton...we speculated about this last month, it probably adds 3-5 PER.

Sounds like a load of Bullshit.

Regardless you have guys like Magic and Bird being behind guys they have no business being behind in anything having to do with Basketball.

Really flawed stat measuring tool, yet people love to ignore to the gaping faults.

[SouBeachTalents]

PER doesn't exist before 77-78. basketball.reference.com just calculates it as if blocks, steals, turnovers, offensive rebounds are all zero before then (which hurts Russell, Wilt, Kareem a ton...we speculated about this last month, it probably adds 3-5 PER.

Wilt & Kareem didn't get too affected by it, 5th & 11th isn't that far off from where they usually rank all time. 95th for Russell though, you just know your formula doesn't work

[HOoopCityJones]

Wilt & Kareem didn't get too affected by it, 4th & 11th isn't that far off from where they usually rank all time. 95th for Russell though, you just know your formula doesn't work

Bird being a 17th is the biggest crime imo.

[kennethgriffin]

Sounds like a load of Bullshit.

Regardless you have guys like Magic and Bird being behind guys they have no business being behind in anything having to do with Basketball.

Really flawed stat measuring tool, yet people love to ignore to the gaping faults.

john hollinger from ESPN invented PER and him like all the other idiots out there who believe in it. just looked at who was in the top 2


they want to see jordan. and they want to see lebron


and it actually became a stat thats on real websites now because so many people forgot to look at the other 150 guys on the list

[rlsmooth775]

watch game 6 of the 1988 nba finals

then get back to me

zeke is a legit 2 time finals mvp, 3 time nba champion



Amazing game but that doesnt change anything. Like i said as a individual player
He wasn't this amazing player that comes round every 20 or 30 years

[fpliii]

Sounds like a load of Bullshit.

Regardless you have guys like Magic and Bird being behind guys they have no business being behind in anything having to do with Basketball.

Really flawed stat measuring tool, yet people love to ignore to the gaping faults.
It pretty much is. BTW here's the link to their methodology:

source: http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/per.html

[QUOTE]Problems arise for seasons prior to 1979-80:

1979-80

[gts]

it was never meant to compare players from different eras or even teams... If you use it to compare players even if they played in the same era you're using it wrong...

it was originally meant to see how changes within a teams system effects the players on that team or how moving a player to a different position or tweaking his role effects that player alone or the others around him

it has so many numbers involved and it's such a complicated formula it's idiotic to even begin to use it as some form of giant rate all rating tool...

[rlsmooth775]

PER shows the greatest individual players don't let team success fool you into thinking a certain player is being snubbed

[kennethgriffin]

Amazing game but that doesnt change anything. Like i said as a individual player
He wasn't this amazing player that comes round every 20 or 30 years

well theres only a few "amazing players that come around every 20 or 30 years

i'l admit zeke isnt a top 3 player ever.. sure


who the **** said that?

but hes top 20

how many legit small point guards lead their teams to multiple nba titles?

and its not like he wasnt putting up sick numbers during his prime. like 20+ and 10 assists

he was a baller. tough as nails. one of the bad boys. and had one of the most inspiring performances in finals history. only to be robbed of the championship with a bogus call at the end of the game in 1988

pistons are the real champs that year. i saw the game. im a lakers fan. i dont care. it was rigged

[rlsmooth775]

Lol kobe fans are so salty right now

[rlsmooth775]

well theres only a few "amazing players that come around every 20 or 30 years

i'l admit zeke isnt a top 3 player ever.. sure


who the **** said that?

but hes top 20

how many legit small point guards lead their teams to multiple nba titles?

and its not like he wasnt putting up sick numbers during his prime. like 20+ and 10 assists

he was a baller. tough as nails. one of the bad boys. and had one of the most inspiring performances in finals history. only to be robbed of the championship with a bogus call at the end of the game in 1988

pistons are the real champs that year. i saw the game. im a lakers fan. i dont care. it was rigged

What does that have to do with my op or individual dominance

[kennethgriffin]

Lol kobe fans are so salty right now

you're still high on the fumes from getting ethered. go back to detox and get clean. then come back and see the damage left to your bloody corpse.

[kennethgriffin]

What does that have to do with my op or individual dominance

watch out dragic... dont make me block all your alts

[Real14]

http://37.media.tumblr.com/8a70e424100186dcef7508cc65a65e84/tumblr_n7lkprAwUg1tfn6p6o1_1280.jpg
:applause: :roll:

[HOoopCityJones]

CP3 doesn't deserve to be ahead of half the All-Stars he's ahead of , I don't give a **** if he's the PER God.

[tpols]

http://37.media.tumblr.com/8a70e424100186dcef7508cc65a65e84/tumblr_n7lkprAwUg1tfn6p6o1_1280.jpg

:roll:

[rlsmooth775]

watch out dragic... dont make me block all your alts

Damn I got you all shook your hero kobe never had the most dominant season in his 18 years :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Real14]

CP3 doesn't deserve to be ahead of half the All-Stars he's ahead of , I don't give a **** if he's the PER God.
Exactly. He's nuttin but an overrated 3rd round virgin.:coleman:

[rlsmooth775]

CP3 doesn't deserve to be ahead of half the All-Stars he's ahead of , I don't give a **** if he's the PER God.

Kobe has a undeserved MVP that belongs to Chris paul

[Real14]

Kobe has a undeserved MVP that belongs to Chris paul
:biggums:

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe has a undeserved MVP that belongs to Chris paul

Kobe woulda taught CP3 how to be a champion. Definitely would had a ring by now if not for the Veto. Now? He's stuck babysitting Blake Griffin until he enters his prime, by this time he'll be exiting his, so as Admiral Ackbar would say "It's a Trap!!!!"

[deja vu]

http://37.media.tumblr.com/8a70e424100186dcef7508cc65a65e84/tumblr_n7lkprAwUg1tfn6p6o1_1280.jpg
:roll:

[rlsmooth775]

Kobe woulda taught CP3 how to be a champion. Definitely would had a ring by now if not for the Veto. Now? He's stuck babysitting Blake Griffin until he enters his prime, by this time he'll be exiting his, so as Admiral Ackbar would say "It's a Trap!!!!"


Kobe would turn CP3 into a spot up shooter like he did to nash

[HOoopCityJones]

Lebron would turn CP3 into a spot up shooter like he did to Bosh

Fixed :cheers:

[rlsmooth775]

Fixed :cheers:


Kobe is way more ball dominant than lebron.

[kennethgriffin]

Damn I got you all shook your hero kobe never had the most dominant season in his 18 years :roll: :roll: :roll:

he didnt deny this is another dragic alt


:facepalm


blocked

[kennethgriffin]

rlsmooth775 = dragic4life

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe is way more ball dominant than lebron.

Kobe shoots more than Lebron , but no one has more ball usage than LBJ.

LBJ ball consists of watch me dribble at the top of the key , try to bulldoze my way to the basket, kick it out for the bailout.

[fpliii]

rlsmooth775 = dragic4life

Another one?

[rlsmooth775]

rlsmooth775 = dragic4life


Lol no the truth is your getting owned by different people I know it hurts

[rlsmooth775]

Kobe shoots more than Lebron , but no one has more ball usage than LBJ.

LBJ ball consists of watch me dribble at the top of the key , try to bulldoze my way to the basket, kick it out for the bailout.


Kobe in 2006 had the most usage in nba history according bball reference

[Real14]

rlsmooth775 = dragic4life

seems to be correct.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe in 2006 had the most usage in nba history according bball reference

Call me when Lebron can take the likes of Chris Mihm, Smush Parker and Kawame Brown to the playoffs in the West.

Not every player can afford to switch to stacked teams at his whim like Lebron. IN THE WEAK EAST.

[rlsmooth775]

Call me when Lebron can take the likes of Chris Mihm, Smush Parker and Kawame Brown to the playoffs in the West.

Not every player can afford to switch to stacked teams at his whim like Lebron. IN THE WEAK EAST.

Lol I proved kobe was more ball dominant. The west wasn't that dominant in 2006 why couldn't the great kobe bryant elevate the lakers they were the same level as the clippers in 2006 :lol

[Big#50]

Isiah Thomas as a individual player wasn't that amazing his team success might put him ahead of players in a all time list but he wasn't this amazing once every 20 years player
WTF
Thomas was ****ing amazing.

[rlsmooth775]

A kobe bryant led lakers team was worse than the clippers in 2006 how do you explain this

[rlsmooth775]

WTF
Thomas was ****ing amazing.

He had a great career but he wasn't that dominant as a individual player

[Real14]

A kobe bryant led lakers team was worse than the clippers in 2006 how do you explain this
Brand had better teammates.

[Big#50]

He had a great career but he wasn't that dominant as a individual player
21/14 is sick. He was a great player.

[Real14]

WTF
Thomas was ****ing amazing.
he lost his mind for that.

[rlsmooth775]

21/14 is sick. He was a great player.
I know but he wasn't that dominant you can't just look at two stats

[j3lademaster]

15/22/4 + best defensive player in the league + 11 rings = 95th best ever

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:And... 15 ppg, where does that put Mr. Russell in the rankings? Does that mean we should ignore ppg also? PER like all other stats need to be taken within context.

edit: also a lot of stats weren't taken in Russell's time (like bpg) so that affects his PER.

[Big#50]

I know but he wasn't that dominant you can't just look at two stats
I saw him play.

[3ball]

career per

1. Michael Jordan* 27.91

29.1 PER when only looking at the Bulls years, which means he blows everyone away...

And all the other categories also go up (i.e. 120 career Ortg... completely ridiculous 0.274 WS/48 - 2nd place is far behind).

Maybe before he came back with the Wizards, he had calculated that he could still be #1 all time even WITH a couple old man years thrown in the mix... give everyone a chance..

:bowdown:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Should you be top 10 if you never lead the league in PER

So Hakeem, Kobe, Magic, Duncan and Russell arent top 10 players according to u:roll: :roll: :roll:

who do u have in ur top 10? DROB? Barkley? Mailman? Neil Johnson? Wade?:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ImKobe]

PER is one of the most overhyped statistics ever.

Here's the problem - People want to have ONE statistic to rank players all-time and currently in the league; such statistic does not exist.

If you people really care about the stat, I guess CP3 is the GOAT PG and ahead of Magic all-time. Wade, Barkley and Neil Johnson were better players than Kareem. Kevin Durant > Magic, Bird, Russell

[Encre92]

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[BoutPractice]

29.1 PER when only looking at the Bulls years, which means he blows everyone away

Except, presumably, for Wilt, if they counted blocks... I've read somewhere officials believe he and Russell averaged 6 to 8 blocks a game... for their careers. Wilt has recorded long stretches of over 8 bpg, iirc.

It sounds crazy until you remember that Mark Eaton averaged 5.5 as late as 1985.

There's a good chance Wilt is the actual PER record holder.

[Collie]

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[riseagainst]

http://37.media.tumblr.com/8a70e424100186dcef7508cc65a65e84/tumblr_n7lkprAwUg1tfn6p6o1_1280.jpg

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[ralph_i_el]

Lol, when Russell came in 95th they should have just scrapped this thing or redid it
They didn't keep blocks or steal stats back then right?

[riseagainst]

They didn't keep blocks or steal stats back then right?

not gonna make that much of a difference. Not like he's gonna jump to top 10 or something just because of blocks and steals.

[Bandito]

rlsmooth775 = dragic4life

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[CelticBalla32]

Jordan 7
Lebron 6
Kobe 0

Why is kobe compared with these guys

Because John Hollinger's self-created mathematical equations do not define an athlete.

If you legitimately don't believe Kobe is one of the best players to ever play, you're as ignorant as they come. It's one thing to dislike a player/person, but to completely disrespect their greatness is some nonsense with an agenda.

[dubeta]

Good thread OP :applause:


Don't listen to these insecure trolls

[rlsmooth775]

Because John Hollinger's self-created mathematical equations do not define an athlete.

If you legitimately don't believe Kobe is one of the best players to ever play, you're as ignorant as they come. It's one thing to dislike a player/person, but to completely disrespect their greatness is some nonsense with an agenda.

He just wasn't that dominant

[Bandito]

Good thread OP :applause:


Don't listen to these insecure trolls
Stop replying to yourself Dragic. It is pathetic.