What does Lebron have to do to surpass Kobe?

[BigBoss]

:confusedshrug:

[Real14]

he have to win 5 more championships on a less stacked team.

[JT123]

How do you surpass one whom you are already ahead of?

[Real14]

How do you surpass one whom you are already ahead of?
:facepalm help him Lord.

[SouBeachTalents]

he have to win 5 more championships on a less stacked team.

I guess having peak Shaq on your team is minimal help

[SpecialQue]

Stop being a bitch.

[HOoopCityJones]

Stay on one Team for double digit seasons.

Quit re-stacking the deck.

[Hoopz2332]

He's already better. When gets that 3rd title and 3rd finals MVp, it's a wrap and wont even be up for debate:applause:

http://dailysnark.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/a0cf0f1ffd84b82bf342377f86272486_large.png

[HOoopCityJones]

Stay with the Cavs for the rest of his career win or lose this season.

[Paul George 24]

:confusedshrug:

be a man :banana:

[Real14]

Stay with the Cavs for the rest of his career win or lose this season.
He have to win 7 rings with the current stacked team like he has now.

[BigBoss]

How do you surpass one whom you are already ahead of?

Yous a fugazzy

[Paul George 24]

He's already better. When gets that 3rd title and 3rd finals MVp, it's a wrap and wont even be up for debate:applause:

http://dailysnark.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/a0cf0f1ffd84b82bf342377f86272486_large.png

only loser give up his team,no one like leflop did,change team when he losing :roll:

[Real14]

I guess having peak Shaq on your team is minimal help
Kobe was 1b and what other all star they had for all those seasons while shaq was there?

[BigBoss]

He's already better. When gets that 3rd title and 3rd finals MVp, it's a wrap and wont even be up for debate:applause:

http://dailysnark.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/a0cf0f1ffd84b82bf342377f86272486_large.png

28 year old Kobe :roll: .

Lebron turns 30

Kobe's 36.

Lebron has 6 seasons to try to get his NBA finals win % to .500.

Kobe > LilBron

[Paul George 24]

leflop "coward" james

[kennethgriffin]

well espn mvps wont do it

and his miami rings are worth half of what kobes 09 and 10 rings are worth

its about ring prestige

like

kobe 2000 = 60% prestige ( 21/5/5 playoffs )
kobe 2001 = 90% prestige ( 29/7/6 playoffs )
kobe 2002 = 85% prestige ( 27/6/5 playoffs )
kobe 2009 = 100% prestige ( 30/6/5 playoffs )
kobe 2010 = 100% prestige ( 29/6/5 playoffs )

so overall kobe has a legit

4.35 rings

lebron 2012 = 50% prestige ( FMVP but lockout = half )
lebron 2013 = 50% prestige ( FMVP but ray allen saved finals after lebron lost fair and square )


so i'l give lebron 1 legit ring

2 bogus halfs added together



that being said lebron would need atleast 3 legit rings in cleveland to come close to kobe

which would equal their actual totals to 5 anyway. so with or without prestige its 3 more rings

[Real14]

only loser give up his team,no one like leflop did,change team when he losing :roll:
Imagine if Jordan did that in 1990 after getting his ass whupped by the bad boy pistons:facepalm

[HOoopCityJones]

Actually keep his word for once.

"We should retire Jordan's number across the League, no one should wear it again"

*Changes number back to 23 after running back to the Cavs*

[kamil]

How do you surpass one whom you are already ahead of?

When the hell did LeBron* surpass Kobe?

[SouBeachTalents]

well espn mvps wont do it

and his miami rings are worth half of what kobes 09 and 10 rings are worth

its about ring prestige

like

kobe 2000 = 60% prestige ( 21/5/5 playoffs )
kobe 2001 = 90% prestige ( 29/7/6 playoffs )
kobe 2002 = 85% prestige ( 27/6/5 playoffs )
kobe 2009 = 100% prestige ( 30/6/5 playoffs )
kobe 2010 = 100% prestige ( 29/6/5 playoffs )

so overall kobe has a legit

4.35 rings

lebron 2012 = 50% prestige ( FMVP but lockout = half )
lebron 2013 = 50% prestige ( FMVP but ray allen saved finals after lebron lost fair and square )


so i'l give lebron 1 legit ring

2 bogus halfs added together



that being said lebron would need atleast 3 legit rings in cleveland to come close to kobe

which would equal their actual totals to 5 anyway. so with or without prestige its 3 more rings


Lol, so Kobe's 2000 ring counts more than both of LeBron's? And Ray Allen's "bail out" counts against him but Horry's against the Kings doesn't count against Kobe?

[Real14]

Lol, so Kobe's 2000 ring counts more than both of LeBron's? And Ray Allen's "bail out" counts against him but Horry's against the Kings doesn't count against Kobe?
Kobe didn't had a bosh type player tho and horry's three was game 3 not game 6:no:

[Real14]

When the hell did LeBron* surpass Kobe?
kids these days:facepalm

[Real14]

Actually keep his word for once.

"We should retire Jordan's number across the League, no one should wear it again"

*Changes number back to 23 after running back to the Cavs*
and that's the so called face of the NBA and role model for the kids:facepalm :facepalm

[HOoopCityJones]

and that's the so called face of the NBA and role model for the kids:facepalm :facepalm

There's always an excuse for this guy, he gets no shit for being fabricated and flaky , but people will take a dump on Kobe's chest for keeping it real.

[Real14]

There's always an excuse for this guy, he gets no shit for being fabricated and flaky , but people will take a dump on Kobe's chest for keeping it real.
Always.

[Big#50]

well espn mvps wont do it

and his miami rings are worth half of what kobes 09 and 10 rings are worth

its about ring prestige

like

kobe 2000 = 60% prestige ( 21/5/5 playoffs )
kobe 2001 = 90% prestige ( 29/7/6 playoffs )
kobe 2002 = 85% prestige ( 27/6/5 playoffs )
kobe 2009 = 100% prestige ( 30/6/5 playoffs )
kobe 2010 = 100% prestige ( 29/6/5 playoffs )

so overall kobe has a legit

4.35 rings

lebron 2012 = 50% prestige ( FMVP but lockout = half )
lebron 2013 = 50% prestige ( FMVP but ray allen saved finals after lebron lost fair and square )


so i'l give lebron 1 legit ring

2 bogus halfs added together



that being said lebron would need atleast 3 legit rings in cleveland to come close to kobe

which would equal their actual totals to 5 anyway. so with or without prestige its 3 more rings

01 and 02 rings are 100%. Yes, Shaq was better but Kobe was just as important.

[mehyaM24]

already ahead of kobe. another ring or two, and lebron will firmly cemented as GOAT.

russell will be the only one with a legitimate argument, because 11 rings.....is 11 rings.

[SouBeachTalents]

already ahead of kobe. another ring or two, and lebron will firmly cemented as GOAT.

russell will be the only one with a legitimate argument, because 11 rings.....is 11 rings.

No

[Real14]

already ahead of kobe. another ring or two, and lebron will firmly cemented as GOAT.

russell will be the only one with a legitimate argument, because 11 rings.....is 11 rings.
:facepalm pray for this man ISH.

[zoom17]

Lebron>Kobe

[sportjames23]

already ahead of kobe. another ring or two, and lebron will firmly cemented as GOAT.

russell will be the only one with a legitimate argument, because 11 rings.....is 11 rings.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Hoopz2332]

that being said lebron would need atleast 3 legit rings in cleveland to come close to kobe

which would equal their actual totals to 5 anyway. so with or without prestige its 3 more rings



GTFO:oldlol: Lebron is better now but one more ring/finals MVP would end the debate for good. Lebron already dwarfs KObe plus lets be real, Kobe will get any real credit for being a 2nd fiddle for his first 3 titles:lol

[Hoopz2332]

Just to show how much better LBJ has been to KObe. I layed this ether down for yall last year and the stats have to be adjusted but the point still stands..




[QUOTE=Hoopz2332]I keep hearing/reading about this Kobe "The Killer" myth when people make comparisons between the similarities and differences between him, Jordan and lebron but it's flatout BS! The numbers just don't back up Kobe's rep.:biggums: Let's take a look at some numbers..

Playoff Numbers


KObe

25.6 ppg 45 FG% on 21 FGA

5 rbs


5ast
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lebron

28.1 ppg 47 FG% on 20 FGa

9 rbs

7 ast


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Jordan

33.4 ppg 49 FG% on 25 FGA

6 rbs

6 ast


:coleman:




Clutch numbers in the playoffs

Playoff clutch time

http://i.imgur.com/6sylQYF.jpg (old)

updated

http://i.imgur.com/m8fCjif.png

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/58575/lebron-james-isnt-clutch-think-again


I thought KObe was a "killer"?:biggums:



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Playoff elimination games


Michael Jordan Elimination Game Averages:

31.3 PPG,

7.9 RPG,

7.0 APG,

2.1 SPG,

1.0 BPG,

4.2 TOPG,

45.8 FG%,

33.3 3P%,

75.7 FT%


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LeBron James Elimination Game Averages:

31.9 PPG,


10.1 RPG,

6.5 APG,


1.4 SPG,

.6 BPG,

4.5 TOPG,

46.5 FG%,

31.4 3P%,

73.8 FT%

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Kobe Bryant Elimination Game Averages:

22.3 PPG,

5.6 RPG,

3.7 APG,

1.2 SPG,

.6 BPG,

3.0 TOPG,

41.4 FG%,

27.5 3P%,

77.9 FT%


Where is KObe "the killer" at in elimination games?:oldlol:


Straight up game 7's or 5's

Michael Jordan G7 Stats:

36.8 PPG, 7.2 RPG, 6.6 APG, 1.2 SPG, 1.0 BPG, 4.0 TOPG, 48.9 FG%, 33.3 FG%, 79.7 FT%

-W/out Game 5

[Hoopz2332]

Kobe's records:oldlol:


http://i.imgur.com/OcZOVHr.jpg



Perception (what people think they see) vs Reality (what stats actually support)

http://i.imgur.com/yBmbxt7.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/HiOKn4V.png

http://i.imgur.com/qcQbOuC.jpg

[Hoopz2332]

http://i.imgur.com/h3ZmkPg.png

[Nash]

Lebron will go down as the better player, he already has more individual accolades than Kobe. And if you count rings as part of individual accolades, they are tied with Lebron still not 30 years old.

And all of this is without all the stats that prove that Lebron > Kobe.

[oti]

He has no argument vs Kobe , he will always be considered a BETA , a guy who chose the easy way to win championships. End of story.

[fiddy]

Kobe's records:oldlol:

5>2

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe could never match the mental capacity it takes to check yourself out of a Finals game with 8 minutes left to go on the clock. Especially after embarrassing your entire team by going through steroid withdrawal in game 1. It takes a true GOAT to literally get carried off the court by Teammates from roid dehydration .

With warmest regards , an asshole.

[Calabis]

Quit jumping ship everytime adversity sets in:confusedshrug:

[Hoopz2332]

5>2


as I said, this is how Kobe's first 3 titles will always be seen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPRJlbxCQAA_IuX.jpg


YOU GETS NO CREDIT WHEN YOU DONT GET THE FINALS MVP!:oldlol:

[Paul George 24]

as I said, this is how Kobe's first 3 titles will always be seen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPRJlbxCQAA_IuX.jpg


YOU GETS NO CREDIT WHEN YOU DONT GET THE FINALS MVP!:oldlol:

d wade carry lebron :rockon:

[Encre92]

as I said, this is how Kobe's first 3 titles will always be seen

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BPRJlbxCQAA_IuX.jpg


YOU GETS NO CREDIT WHEN YOU DONT GET THE FINALS MVP!:oldlol:
:roll: :roll: :roll: :applause: :applause:

[tmacattack33]

Damn, I thought somebody had bumped this thread up from 2009.

Lebron passed Kobe in 2012.

[riseagainst]

Hoopz2332 going pauk x 100.

:roll:
:roll:
:roll:

[Meticode]

If LeBRon wins a championship in Cleveland, he'll officially pass Kobe.

[masonanddixon]

I have Lebron as the 7th best player of the post MJ era, which I think is very generous.

I don't think he's even as good as Wade, peak/prime/overall.

[Frozen1]

The wagon has already passed.

Lebron

[ImKobe]

If LeBRon wins a championship in Cleveland, he'll officially pass Kobe.
:roll: :roll:

So, winning 3 rings with Wade, Bosh + Love, Irving is better than winning 5 with Shaq + Gasol, Odom? :oldlol:

Welcome to ISH, where winning 3 rings with more help is better than winning 5 with less, brehs.

[JohnFreeman]

:roll: :roll:

So, winning 3 rings with Wade, Bosh + Love, Irving is better than winning 5 with Shaq + Gasol, Odom? :oldlol:

Welcome to ISH, where winning 3 rings with more help is better than winning 5 with less, brehs.
1 MVP :roll:

[ImKobe]

1 MVP :roll:

Regular season award :oldlol:

guys from ESPN and BleacherReport are allowed to vote

Welcome to ISH, where regular season awards > championship rings, brehs.

Shaq has only one MVP too, do you rank Lebron above him all-time? Because 4 MVPs are so much better than 1. Steve Nash has as many MVPs as Kobe and Shaq combined.

Think before you post, brehs.

[Hoopz2332]

Damn, I thought somebody had bumped this thread up from 2009.

Lebron passed Kobe in 2012.


:rockon:

[russwest0]

Not getting outplayed by role players in the Finals would be a good start

[Trollsmasher]

Hoopz completly annihilating the opposition like always. Those posts of yours are gold:lol

[Hoopz2332]

d wade carry lebron :rockon:


http://i.imgur.com/JFntktE.jpg

:oldlol:

[raprap]

Kobe stans avoiding hoopz post like the plague :oldlol:


To answer the OP, 1 ring and another mvp will seal the deal :cheers:

[Encre92]

http://i.imgur.com/JFntktE.jpg

:oldlol:
:roll:

Hoopz ethering Kobetards left and right. Too easy for him.:oldlol: :applause: :applause:

[riseagainst]

win 1 in Cleveland i'd put him over Kobe.

[navy]

Honestly one more fmvp will do it. If he wins mvp+fmvp? Damn.

[Hoopz2332]

:roll:

Hoopz ethering Kobetards left and right. Too easy for him.:oldlol: :applause: :applause:


son, its waayyyyy too easy:oldlol:

[Hoopz2332]

Honestly one more fmvp will do it. If he wins mvp+fmvp? Damn.


exactly my thoughts:applause:

[Real14]

If LeBRon wins a championship in Cleveland, he'll officially pass Kobe.
says nobody REAL.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Damn I can't believe how much time some of you all spend constantly debating this. You guys have issues, especially Real14

[Real14]

Damn I can't believe how much time some of you all spend constantly debating this. You guys have issues, especially Real14
DAMN you got it bad man:lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

DAMN you got it bad man:lol
Says the guy who posted 27 replies to the two LeBron/Kobe theads. You're obsessed nikka

[Real14]

Says the guy who posted 27 replies to the two LeBron/Kobe theads. You're obsessed nikka
You the one that's obsessed. Obsessed with talking shit about me and the knicks:coleman:

[J Shuttlesworth]

You the one that's obsessed. Obsessed with talking shit about me and the knicks:coleman:
I couldn't give a shit about the Knicks. You've spent all morning talking about a player you consider to be top 25. You sound like his jealous ex or something.

I never go on a spree where I post 30 times about the Knicks in a span of an hour

[Sakkreth]

Already passed.

[Lebron23]

Already passed.


This

He already did.

[Real14]

I couldn't give a shit about the Knicks.
Above your avatar it says "tha knicks r awful":rolleyes: :facepalm

[J Shuttlesworth]

Above your avatar it says "tha knicks r awful":rolleyes: :facepalm
Well that's Tha Knickz

I do care about them. The Knicks though? They could drop off the face of the planet and i wouldn't know the difference since they wouldn't be in the playoffs anyway

[Real14]

Well that's Tha Knickz

I do care about them. The Knicks though? They could drop off the face of the planet and i wouldn't know the difference since they wouldn't be in the playoffs anyway
You sir sounds like a hater for that bullshit post that you just posted:coleman:

[J Shuttlesworth]

You sir sounds like a hater for that bullshit post that you just posted:coleman:
And you sound like a deranged ex girlfriend considering how much you've posted about LeBron today.

If I give you a doll, will you show us where LeBron touched you?

[Real14]

And you sound like a deranged ex girlfriend considering how much you've posted about LeBron today.

If I give you a doll, will you show us where LeBron touched you?
Its called debating niguh, Especially when the thread has "Lebron" in it:facepalm When a thread talks about the "knicks" you run to it gracefully just to shit about them every damn time:coleman:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Its called debating niguh, Especially when the thread has "Lebron" in it:facepalm When a thread talks about the "knicks" you run to it gracefully just to shit about them every damn time:coleman:
Yeah but I'll maybe give it one reply or two.

I just checked and the 4 main threads about Kobe/LeBron on the front page, you have 62 replies in combined :biggums:

WTF man?

[riseagainst]

Yeah but I'll maybe give it one reply or two.

I just checked and the 4 main threads about Kobe/LeBron on the front page, you have 62 replies in combined :biggums:

WTF man?

you counted?

:coleman:

[Real14]

Yeah but I'll maybe give it one reply or two.

I just checked and the 4 main threads about Kobe/LeBron on the front page, you have 62 replies in combined :biggums:

WTF man?
Its called going back and forth like the way you going back and forth with me now :coleman:

[Bandito]

you counted?

:coleman:
Real14 living in his head rent free

[Real14]

Real14 living in his head rent free
he sure is:lol displaying fake IP addresses and shit:oldlol:

[J Shuttlesworth]

you counted?

:coleman:
You can click on the # of replies on a thread, and it shows you.

Hell no way I'm gonna count all those

[Real14]

You can click on the # of replies on a thread, and it shows you.

Hell no way I'm gonna count all those
Yea right bro, you know damn well you faking, just admit it man. People will forgive your childish antics in due time.

[riseagainst]

You can click on the # of replies on a thread, and it shows you.

Hell no way I'm gonna count all those

:eek:

didn't know this.

[Real14]

:eek:

didn't know this.
you know he retarded:lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yea right bro, you know damn well you faking, just admit it man. People will forgive your childish antics in due time.

http://i.imgur.com/OSs4op4.png

:facepalm Click on that, and you'll see this
http://i.imgur.com/R1C2CVN.png

Quit ethering yourself man. I'm starting to feel bad for you

[riseagainst]

http://i.imgur.com/OSs4op4.png

:facepalm Click on that, and you'll see this
http://i.imgur.com/R1C2CVN.png

Quit ethering yourself man. I'm starting to feel bad for you


:oldlol:

[Real14]

http://i.imgur.com/OSs4op4.png

:facepalm Click on that, and you'll see this
http://i.imgur.com/R1C2CVN.png

Quit ethering yourself man. I'm starting to feel bad for you
You definitely got more than 7:coleman: I already ethered you for posting fake ass IP addresses man. Admit that at least.