Seriously what argument does kobe have over lebron

[rlsmooth775]

Lebron is a superior offensive player ppg assists field goal percentage are all better than Bryant's. Advance stats prove lebron is superior on defense he is a better rebounder. Kobe has no argument lebron is the superior player

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

A better argument than OP for not being a ph@ggot that's for sure

[Kvnzhangyay]

This is true because you said "player"

[VIntageNOvel]

guess what, after the dumbtrio have been banned,
this dude back to the scene creating one stupid thread after another

[sportjames23]

A better argument than OP for not being a ph@ggot that's for sure


http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[AnaheimLakers24]

A better argument than OP for not being a ph@ggot that's for sure
:roll:

[AintNoSunshine]

The only thing Kobe has on Lebron is shooting when he's hot. I wanted to say better scorer but he really isn't, he's only a better shooter, and not even that, Lebron shoots a better percentage. So the only thing Kobe is better at than Lebron is really only this: when he's feeling it he's pretty unstoppable. But I won't even count the infinite number of things Lebron does better than Kobe on a basketball court.

[kennethgriffin]

- rings
- records
- achievements
- respect
- longevity
- lebrons word
- post game
- footwork
- shooting
- on ball defense
- clutch
- loyalty
- not ring chasing
- not colluding
- not tampering
- not quitting
- not colluding AGAIN
- not tampering AGAIN
- not quitting AGAIN
- not losing to duncan more often than winning
- jordans word
- more fans world wide
- more respect world wide
- higher in polls
- 4 all decade awards
- winning with at most only 1 other HOFr ( pau only makes it off spain accomplishments )
- not winning during a lockout year
- not winning because of a finals saving three by a team mate
- playing most of his career with tougher rules
- playing against better competition in his prime
- playing in a tougher confrence his whole life
- beating 25 teams with 50+ wins in the playoffs ( lebron only 5 teams )
- having a better absolute peak average
- having a better scoring average as a starter
- having more 80 point games
- having more 70 point games
- having more 60 point games
- having more 40 point games
- averaging 40+ for entire months ( 5+ times )
- having the most all nba 1st teams ever
- having the most all defensive 1st teams ever
- having the balls to compete in a dunk contest
- having more consecutive allstar games
- dropping lebrons career high in only 3 quarters



should i go on?

[Inferno]

- rings
- records
- achievements
- respect
- longevity
- lebrons word
- post game
- footwork
- shooting
- on ball defense
- clutch
- loyalty
- not ring chasing
- not colluding
- not tampering
- not quitting
- not colluding AGAIN
- not tampering AGAIN
- not quitting AGAIN
- not losing to duncan more often than winning
- jordans word
- more fans world wide
- more respect world wide
- higher in polls
- 4 all decade awards
- winning with at most only 1 other HOFr ( pau only makes it off spain accomplishments )
- not winning during a lockout year
- not winning because of a finals saving three by a team mate
- playing most of his career with tougher rules
- playing against better competition in his prime
- playing in a tougher confrence his whole life
- beating 25 teams with 50+ wins in the playoffs ( lebron only 5 teams )
- having a better absolute peak average
- having a better scoring average as a starter
- having more 80 point games
- having more 70 point games
- having more 60 point games
- having more 40 point games
- averaging 40+ for entire months ( 5+ times )
- having the most all nba 1st teams ever
- having the most all defensive 1st teams ever
- having the balls to compete in a dunk contest
- having more consecutive allstar games
- dropping lebrons career high in only 3 quarters



should i go on?

Let's be real....3/4th's of this is irrelevant :biggums:

[JohnFreeman]

Let's be real....3/4th's of this is irrelevant :biggums:
pretty much

[kennethgriffin]

Let's be real....3/4th's of this is irrelevant :biggums:


lets be honest. nothing is irrelevant. just slightly more or less valuable than other things i listed. and nothing that is a positive for one guy and a negative for another guy is considered meaningless.

i was asked to list why kobe is better. and it isnt just 1 thing. or 2 things. its about everything

[SamuraiSWISH]

I think Kobe is more respected. But if one were to make the argument for Kobe it all depends how much you value those 3x rings supplementing prime / peak Shaq, and his absurd longevity.

LeBron will most likely have plenty of longevity himself if he remains healthy as he has been, and continues to play at this level.

But resume, accomplishments, peak play, and even duration of prime. LeBron has been the better player definitively compared to Kobe since 2009.

[Quizno]

I think Kobe is more respected. But if one were to make the argument for Kobe it all depends how much you value those 3x rings supplementing prime / peak Shaq, and his absurd longevity.

LeBron will most likely have plenty of longevity himself if he remains healthy as he has been, and continues to play at this level.

But resume, accomplishments, peak play, and even duration of prime. LeBron has been the better player definitively compared to Kobe since 2009.
people act like kobe hasn't been cookin teams since 2001

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BESnCrgCAAEHKku.jpg:large

i almost hate using that picture because i ****in love shaq. he's the diesel and a huge part of my childhood. i'm not taking anything away from him but he and kobe were a duo. it was never about one guy and the shaq carried kobe narrative is so played out. shaq never believed that because it's ****ing dumb

homeboy went 15-1 in the playoffs with shaq in 2001 and averaged more ppg. prime kobe was putting up 36 ppg and carrying smush, kwame and luke walton to the playoffs in the WESTERN conference. i know it's an argument seen 100 times around ISH but it's incredible impressive. kobe's peak was 2001 - 2010, that's crazy long and he won 4 rings in 6 trips to the finals. that's dominance

lebron's definitely been better since 2010 but there's no way you can give the nod to lebron at this point in his career. that would just be dismissing everything kobe's done pre 2006 which is just too short sighted. people here either really forget the frobe or they were never around to see it :biggums:

[russwest0]

- rings
- records
- achievements
- respect
- longevity
- lebrons word
- post game
- footwork
- shooting
- on ball defense
- clutch
- loyalty
- not ring chasing
- not colluding
- not tampering
- not quitting
- not colluding AGAIN
- not tampering AGAIN
- not quitting AGAIN
- not losing to duncan more often than winning
- jordans word
- more fans world wide
- more respect world wide
- higher in polls
- 4 all decade awards
- winning with at most only 1 other HOFr ( pau only makes it off spain accomplishments )
- not winning during a lockout year
- not winning because of a finals saving three by a team mate
- playing most of his career with tougher rules
- playing against better competition in his prime
- playing in a tougher confrence his whole life
- beating 25 teams with 50+ wins in the playoffs ( lebron only 5 teams )
- having a better absolute peak average
- having a better scoring average as a starter
- having more 80 point games
- having more 70 point games
- having more 60 point games
- having more 40 point games
- averaging 40+ for entire months ( 5+ times )
- having the most all nba 1st teams ever
- having the most all defensive 1st teams ever
- having the balls to compete in a dunk contest
- having more consecutive allstar games
- dropping lebrons career high in only 3 quarters



should i go on?

kenneth my nikka :cheers:

[kennethgriffin]

if over the next 3 seasons kevin love won finals mvp with 30/15. and lebron averaged 28/6/5 in the playoffs over those 3 years as thee 2nd guy

i'm pretty sure lebron would still get credit

nobody knocks a guys rings if they average mvp type stats

kobes 3 titles as a sidekick had better playoff lines than most mvps

he also saved the 2000 wcf game 7, then saved the 2002 wcf game 7

not to mention averaged 3-4 more ppg than shaq for the first 3 playoff series in 2001

i give kobes 5 rings full credit

people give duncan 5 rings. and as far as i'm concerned

kobe 2000 = kobes worst > duncan 2014 = duncans worst

kobe 2002 > duncan 2007

kobe 2001 > duncan 2005

kobe 2010 > duncan 1999

kobe 2009 = kobes best > duncan 2003 = duncans best

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe has majority side kick rings..deal with it :confusedshrug:

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe has majority side kick rings..deal with it :confusedshrug:


if lebron actually showed up in 2011. he'd have a sidekick ring too.

lucky for shaq... kobe gave a damn about winning at all cost

wade wishes he had 2000,2001,2002 kobe on his team in 2011

then he might have 2 finals mvps on his desk instead of one. ( who knows maybe kobe takes it. ) all i know is the heat win

too bad lebron is just as stupid as his fans

[ImKobe]

2/5

Only won 2 out of 4 and bailed on his superfriends after 4 seasons to make a new team of superfriends

Kobe stayed loyal to his franchise and played through the rebuilding process and proved he could win on his own. 2008 Playoff run, led a team to the Finals with no other all-star that year + Bynum out for the season.

30/6/6 for 3 straight Finals runs, only player to score 600+ points in 3 consecutive Finals runs. Assist leader for all 5 of his championships. One of the longest primes in the history of the game. After 16 seasons of NBA, averaged 27/5/6 and led an injured roster to the Playoffs in the deep West.

Had the same WS/48 as prime Shaq in 2001 Playoffs, led the league in WS in the Playoffs, b2b 45+pt/10+reb games for a damn guard. All or most of his best Playoff series came in the Conference finals, where IIRC, he never lost a series. If his teams were good enough to contend, they made the Finals.

Since Conference Finals were the real Finals in the early 2000s (00-02), let me give you his numbers by the year

2000 vs Portland

20/5/6 with 1.6 spg 2.1 bpg on 55%TS

Game-saving block on Sabonis in Game 3, led his team in points, rebounds, assists and blocks in Game 7 with a 25/11/7/4 performance, Lakers huge comeback in the 4th, the all-time great alley-oop to Shaq after crossing Pippen

2001 vs Spurs

33/7/7 with 1.5 spg 0.8 bpg on 57%TS, 25.4 Gamescore vs Shaq's 19.4 Gamescore, the gap between Shaq and Kobe was bigger than Shaq and Fisher(Fisher's 16.1 vs Shaq's 19.4), at least according to that statistic. Fisher averaged 18/5/3 on 75% shooting in that series.

2002 vs Kings

27/6/4 with 1.4 spg 1.1 bpg on 49%TS, this is arguably his worst WCF by the numbers, but he shot 37% from 3 and hit clutch FTs against the Kings on the road in Game 7, also, the famous poster on Vlade Divac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u7NIstvtb8

And 6 years go by, here are his WCF numbers, though I must admit these teams don't really compare to the early 2000 WCF opponents, but good enough to give you the numbers

2008 vs Spurs

29/6/4 with 1.6 spg on 59%TS, led a huge comeback in Game 1, dominated the series quite easily with beautiful footwork and post game, finishing over Duncan countless times

2009 vs Nuggets

34/6/6 on 63%TS, flat out dominated the Nuggets in this one. The famous 3-pter over JR Smith on the road, Kobe was having the time of his life against these dudes

2010 vs Suns

34/7/8 with 1.2 bpg on 64%TS - this is his best WCF by the numbers easily, he pretty much dominated every game and obviously everyone knows Game 6, where he hit one crazy clutch shot after another. Funny how he had his best statistical series at that age, but I guess it was just one of those hot stretches for him. 135 ORTG, best among players that played big minutes (even better than Nash).

[Warfan]

if over the next 3 seasons kevin love won finals mvp with 30/15. and lebron averaged 28/6/5 in the playoffs over those 3 years as thee 2nd guy

i'm pretty sure lebron would still get credit

nobody knocks a guys rings if they average mvp type stats

kobes 3 titles as a sidekick had better playoff lines than most mvps

he also saved the 2000 wcf game 7, then saved the 2002 wcf game 7

not to mention averaged 3-4 more ppg than shaq for the first 3 playoff series in 2001

i give kobes 5 rings full credit

people give duncan 5 rings. and as far as i'm concerned

kobe 2000 = kobes worst > duncan 2014 = duncans worst

kobe 2002 > duncan 2007

kobe 2001 > duncan 2005

kobe 2010 > duncan 1999

kobe 2009 = kobes best > duncan 2003 = duncans best

Can you explain to me how he saved 2002 game 7? I remember shaq having the better game and he played well in OT...

And klove wont outplay lebron :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Can you explain to me how he saved 2002 game 7? I remember shaq having the better game and he played well in OT...

And klove wont outplay lebron :oldlol:

Shaq was 2/5 in OT, though he did make both of his FTs in that period

Kobe didn't really save the day in that game, but he did make FTs to put the Lakers up by 1, followed by Shaq missing one, followed by a foul call on Kobe for fouling Mike Bibby (which was bs in my opinion but w.e), Kobe hit the FTs to ice the game in OT.

[Warfan]

Shaq was 2/5 in OT, though he did make both of his FTs in that period

Kobe didn't really save the day in that game, but he did make FTs to put the Lakers up by 1, followed by Shaq missing one, followed by a foul call on Kobe for fouling Mike Bibby (which was bs in my opinion but w.e), Kobe hit the FTs to ice the game in OT.

Yeah shaq had like 5 or 6 points in OT and played some good D. And im pretty sure like you said kobe only scored in OT on those 2 ft's when LA were up 4 in the last few seconds. Kings choked hard though :facepalm

[ImKobe]

Yeah shaq had like 5 or 6 points in OT and played some good D. And im pretty sure like you said kobe only scored in OT on those 2 ft's when LA were up 4 in the last few seconds. Kings choked hard though :facepalm

Kings had so many chances. Shaq had 6 points in OT on 5 shots and 2 FTs.

They missed so many Free Throws and still had a wide open 3 to win the game at the end of the 4th, this happens

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW-HV7QOIco#t=462

:facepalm

Look at the bullshit foul the ref gave to get the game to OT :facepalm :facepalm, and they say the series was fixed for LA :biggums: :biggums:

If it was fixed, there's no way in hell they call that on Kobe...I get it if you call it in the regular season or at the start of a game, this is Game 7 crunch time, you're going to give the team two freebies at the end of the game for that?

[rlsmooth775]

Kobe fans getting butthurt making up stupid reasons. Lebron has better offensive and defensive stats he is the most dominant player since jordan according to PER

[Paul George 24]

Lebron is a superior offensive player ppg assists field goal percentage are all better than Bryant's. Advance stats prove lebron is superior on defense he is a better rebounder. Kobe has no argument lebron is the superior player

he is not a man that kobe is :banana:

[jzek]

He has 3 more rings (thanks to Shaq).

Is Kobe even top 10 all time without Shaq's gifts?

2x Champion
2x Finals MVP
1x MVP


Is that top 10 material? Kobe owes Shaq a LOT! He owes him his place in the top 10!

[Warfan]

He has 3 more rings (thanks to Shaq).

Is Kobe even top 10 all time without Shaq's gifts?

2x Champion
2x Finals MVP
1x MVP


Is that top 10 material? Kobe owes Shaq a LOT! He owes him his place in the top 10!

And so does Shaq...

[Paul George 24]

Kobe fans getting butthurt making up stupid reasons. Lebron has better offensive and defensive stats he is the most dominant player since jordan according to PER

lebron is not a leader,he is a deserter,coward :banana:

[rlsmooth775]

Lebron is the better offensive and defensive player get over it kobe fans

[Beastmode88]

Lebron is the better offensive and defensive player get over it kobe fans

Someone link the asg block.

[JohnFreeman]

He has 3 more rings (thanks to Shaq).

Is Kobe even top 10 all time without Shaq's gifts?

2x Champion
2x Finals MVP
1x MVP


Is that top 10 material? Kobe owes Shaq a LOT! He owes him his place in the top 10!
Wow, pretty empty resume

[rlsmooth775]

Someone link the asg block.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[rlsmooth775]

So kobe fans have no valid points

[Paul George 24]

Lebron is the better offensive and defensive player get over it kobe fans

leflop is not a winner,face it :banana:

[riseagainst]

Wow, pretty empty resume

2 time champion.... dam this dude hasn't done sh1t.

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[Frozen1]

- dropping lebrons career high in only 3 quarters

should i go on?

LOL that

[Keno]

legit no argument other than shaq's rings. and kobe's longevity is so overrated, people are acting like he was an elite player since his rookie year, news flash: he wasn't. kobe was only an elite player from '01-'12. that's 11 years, the same amount of years lebron's been a top player in the league. if lebron dominates next season like he has been, he will surpass kobe in better longevity too.

[Cold soul]

And so does Shaq...

Exactly. They needed each other to succeed.

[pegasus]

Absolutely no arguments. Just facts.

[HOoopCityJones]

Wow, pretty empty resume

I'm sorry , are you confusing Kobe with the bullshit ass Kings? :lol

You couldn't be salty because he has more rings than that entire pitiful organization could you?

When do you think the Kings will even know what being a champion feels like? Hell, even a western conference champ?

The Kings, GLOAT Franchise :bowdown:

[JT123]

legit no argument other than shaq's rings. and kobe's longevity is so overrated, people are acting like he was an elite player since his rookie year, news flash: he wasn't. kobe was only an elite player from '01-'12. that's 11 years, the same amount of years lebron's been a top player in the league. if lebron dominates next season like he has been, he will surpass kobe in better longevity too.
This is very true. Most people think that Kobe was elite through 2013 because of his gaudy scoring numbers, but that is not the case. Fact is Kobe played ZERO defense in 2012-13, which is a huge reason why Dwight didn't want to play with him. What does it matter is you are scoring 27 a night when you are giving up 30 on the other end! :facepalm Doesn't sound like an elite player to me.

[kennethgriffin]

Can you explain to me how he saved 2002 game 7? I remember shaq having the better game and he played well in OT...

And klove wont outplay lebron :oldlol:


30 points, 10 rebounds, 7 assists, 2 steals

held doug christie to 2 for 11 shooting




putting up prime oscar robertson stats and playing bill russell type defense... thats how

[hawke812]

Because Kobe stayed and proved he could win on his own and did not have to collude with his friends to win a ring.

[Bandito]

This is very true. Most people think that Kobe was elite through 2013 because of his gaudy scoring numbers, but that is not the case. Fact is Kobe played ZERO defense in 2012-13, which is a huge reason why Dwight didn't want to play with him. What does it matter is you are scoring 27 a night when you are giving up 30 on the other end! :facepalm Doesn't sound like an elite player to me.
Stop replying to yourself :lol

[riseagainst]

Stop replying to yourself :lol

:roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

2x Scoring Titles v.s. 1 Scoring Title. Obviously.

[dubeta]

I'm a Kobe fan but this is the truth

http://sarcasticdbag.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/kobeandshaq_580x435.jpg

LeBron 2/5

Kobe 2/7

4 MVP's > 1 MVP

57% shooter > 45% shooter

2nd all time Player Efficiency Rating > 18th All time


No discussion or argument whatsover and it pains me to say this

[JT123]

I'm a Kobe fan but this is the truth

http://sarcasticdbag.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/kobeandshaq_580x435.jpg

LeBron 2/5

Kobe 2/7

4 MVP's > 1 MVP

57% shooter > 45% shooter

2nd all time Player Efficiency Rating > 18th All time


No discussion or argument whatsover and it pains me to say this
What kind of self respecting grown man allows himself to be photographed with another man carrying him like that? :lol :lol :lol :lol
And this is someone who fans consider to be "alpha" :facepalm

[Bandito]

What kind of self respecting grown man allows himself to be photographed with another man carrying him like that? :lol :lol :lol :lol
And this is someone who fans consider to be "alpha" :facepalm
Stop replying to yourself Dragic.

[Bandito]

I'm a Kobe fan but this is the truth

http://sarcasticdbag.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/kobeandshaq_580x435.jpg

LeBron 2/5

Kobe 2/7

4 MVP's > 1 MVP

57% shooter > 45% shooter

2nd all time Player Efficiency Rating > 18th All time


No discussion or argument whatsover and it pains me to say this
Stop replying to yourself Dragic.

[dubeta]

What kind of self respecting grown man allows himself to be photographed with another man carrying him like that? :lol :lol :lol :lol
And this is someone who fans consider to be "alpha" :facepalm

Almost as beta as getting knocked out by a 6'2 PG :oldlol:

[Bandito]

Almost as beta as getting knocked out by a 6'2 PG :oldlol:
Stop replying to yourself Dragic.

[Hey Yo]

Since Conference Finals were the real Finals in the early 2000s (00-02)
Kobe stans know Kobe's numbers in the Finals are pretty bad so they still try to pass the above off as truth.

They say the East sucks but for some reason Kobe rarely shows up against them in the Finals.

[JT123]

Kobe stans know Kobe's numbers in the Finals are pretty bad so they still try to pass the above off as truth.

They say the East sucks but for some reason Kobe rarely shows up against them in the Finals.
:applause: They always claim that the only reason Lebron has good playoff stats is because he plays shitty East teams, but for some reason their boy always struggles against these crap squads. :facepalm
Kobe stans ether themselves on a daily basis. :roll:

[dubeta]

:applause: They always claim that the only reason Lebron has good playoff stats is because he plays shitty East teams, but for some reason their boy always struggles against these crap squads. :facepalm
Kobe stans ether themselves on a daily basis. :roll:
:applause:

Can you imagine LeBron playing the no defense Suns in the Playoffs?

Would average 50 every game

[Hey Yo]

"Look at Kobe's postseason numbers!!!!"

yeah but what about just the Finals?


crickets.

[Bandito]

:applause:

Can you imagine LeBron playing the no defense Suns in the Playoffs?

Would average 50 every game
Stop replying to yourself Dragic.