[ATH] Rajon Rondo Wants Out

[Smook A.]

I was watching Around The Horn and according to Jackie MacMullan (sports writer & NBA columnist for ESPN) Rondo wants out.

Reportedly, the Knicks, Rockets and Kings are interested. Rondo has already said that he wouldn't resign with the Kings, so it begs the question... Where will Rondo end up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4goffcw1udI

[Cone]

why'd you link us on how to draw micheal jackson?

[Meticode]

If it's the Knocks or Rockets I hope he goes to the Knicks.

[Smook A.]

why'd you link us on how to draw micheal jackson?
Lol my bad. Hold on

[Meticode]

Lol my bad. Hold on
:oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

Lol my bad. Hold on

a better topic arises. why are you watching a video on how to draw michael jackson

[no pun intended]

Indiana.

[Brokenbeat]

a better topic arises. why are you watching a video on how to draw michael jackson


This. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Smook A.]

a better topic arises. why are you watching a video on how to draw michael jackson
:lol Well im subbed to the person who does the drawings of these famous celebs. She drew LeBron and all kinds of other people. And Mike is my fav music artist, so that's another reason why I watched the vid.

[ballup]

And he waited this long to express this desite instead of the start of free agency. It looks like smoke to me

[kennethgriffin]

btw i watched the michael jackson video. epic drawing. but absolutely ruined by putting the autograph right on the shoulder in plain view. the signature should be in subtle dark red hidden in a black portion of the drawing by the bottom right. that way it isnt an eye sore but still a way to mark your artwork as your own

turned a 200$ drawing into a 40$ value. dumb artist

[no pun intended]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cnm7o2dM8E

You can't deny that this is beyond good.

[ImKobe]

Lin + Randle + HOU pick for Rondo and Sullinger

deal

[oarabbus]

Lin + Randle + HOU pick for Rondo and Sullinger

deal

Not bad

[ILLsmak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cnm7o2dM8E

You can't deny that this is beyond good.

It's precise, for sure. Probably hard for most people to do. I know I couldn't do it...

but I prefer people who draw/paint stuff that is in their mind. Stuff that stimulates you intellectually or emotionally, not just some copy of a picture or a face they've seen.

-Smak

[imnew09]

Come to the Lakers

[BuffaloBill]

why'd you link us on how to draw micheal jackson?


:roll:

[CelticBalla32]

Normally I would brush this off like the other 642 Rondo rumors we've heard over the last two years but I actually put stock into this. Jackie Mac really knows her stuff.

I don't think Rondo has bad blood with the organization, but he's a smart dude and he realizes that the Celtics are most likely in for a longer rebuild. They have a lot of chips, so there's always a chance they could swing some kind of deal to bring Rondo some help, but it's unlikely.

If Rondo does end up getting traded, I really hope it's not that Kings deal. I just don't like it. McLemore has upside but he's a dime a dozen player in the NBA, and Rondo isn't gonna sign an extension there.

We'll see. I would rather not get rid of Rondo but if it has to happen, it has to happen. Can't lose him for nothing next summer.

Wouldn't mind Greg Monroe...

[SwishSquared]

Lin + Randle + HOU pick for Rondo and Sullinger

deal
Idk if the #s work, but BOS would likely take it, I think. I'm not sure if they can make a better deal. The only problem would be the fact that they would have Jeff Green & Wallace still. I think if Nash & Green get added to deal, BOS definitely does it. LAL first round pick next year is only top 5 protected, so they either need to be really bad or try to make a desperate playoff push. Who would start at PF? Sully, Booz, Davis?

[stallionaire]

Rubio and a 1st for Rondo.

[JohnFreeman]

I know we suck, but why would he flat out say he wouldn't resign?

[bdreason]

I hope he doesn't find his way to Houston.

[AirTupac]

Man am I tired of seeing Rondo wants out or trade rumours. As my ***** Kobe once said, SHIP HIS AZZ OUT

[salwan]

Don't do it Rajon :(

[JohnMax]

Rondo will get exposed if he comes to the West. Too many good PGs out here.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Lin + Randle + HOU pick for Rondo and Sullinger

deal

lol nah

Randle is potentially slightly better than Sullinger
Lin is much worse than Rondo
that pick is what, 22-25?

Maybe if you take Sullinger out of the deal and move Randle to a 3rd team for a shooter. Or you take Wallace for Nash and another pick

[poido123]

The Knicks with Rondo would be interesting.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

He doesn't fit the triangle, obviously, but I'd accept something along the lines of Stoudamire, Hardaway and a pick for Rondo and Wallace if the Knicks were interested.

[poido123]

He doesn't fit the triangle, obviously, but I'd accept something along the lines of Stoudamire, Hardaway and a pick for Rondo and Wallace if the Knicks were interested.


I personally hope he goes to Sacramento because we have their pick and rondo will improve that team dramatically.

However, if he doesn't go there I'm happy he stays with the Celts and leads the young brigade.

[Purch]

Rondo might be the worst fit for the triangle

[ImKobe]

lol nah

Randle is potentially slightly better than Sullinger
Lin is much worse than Rondo
that pick is what, 22-25?

Maybe if you take Sullinger out of the deal and move Randle to a 3rd team for a shooter. Or you take Wallace for Nash and another pick

If Rondo wants out, Celtics are not going to get top dollar for him. He's obviously at the very least a top 10 point guard in the league (you have to take his ACL injury into consideration right now, we have yet to see him 100% since the injury, so I'll give it some wiggle room), but he's not a top 10 NBA player and there's no way we're giving up Randle and not getting a big man in return, have you seen our current roster? We're not going to start Robert freaking Sacre at Center.

Lin is an expirer and if Boston is in a rebuilding stage, it would help them stay in the lottery. Randle is a very promising prospect and looked good in college, he's got great handles and he's very athletic, quick in transition, good moves in the post.

You're getting a top 5 prospect + an expiring contract + another pick, if Boston is not content with paying Lin, send him to a 3rd team.

Overall, it's one of the better trades Boston could currently get for Rondo, and Rajon probably would actually want to play in LA with Kobe, let me remind you that Scott also was the guy that coached Jason Kidd on the early 2000s Nets teams that went to the Finals twice and he also coached Chris Paul, both guys had career years under him, Rondo would be the perfect fit for Scott's system.

This move is starting to make more and more sense to me as I'm typing this. We need a true big man on our roster, if Rondo wants to get out, Celtics want more future prospects. Both teams could come out as winners with this one.

Obviously, you can move some details around and involve other teams, but this makes the most sense to me. What other options do the Celtics have in regards to trading Rondo? He helped them win a championship, so I'm sure they'd try to appease him by making a deal with a team he'd actually want to play on, no teams are going to give a top 20-30 player in return for a point guard still coming back from an ACL injury when they could potentially sign him in the off-season. Boston doesn't want to just let him go for nothing either, so why not take on an expirer + a top prospect + a future 1st, that could also be used in future trade moves.

Sullinger is obviously still young and could potentially be an all-star big man for years to come, but it's not like Randle isn't a great prospect himself.

[Derka]

He doesn't fit the triangle, obviously, but I'd accept something along the lines of Stoudamire, Hardaway and a pick for Rondo and Wallace if the Knicks were interested.

Getting out of two more years of Crash's contract interests me (even though I love the guy personally as a ball player) and I like Hardaway. What picks do the Knicks even have at this point? It'd have to be a 1st.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Knick speculation is a waste of time. Rondo would have no offensive value in the triangle. Every triangle PG we see has a good jumper and plays off the ball. Maybe they could adjust it to make the triangle fit Rondo but we've never seen it run that way. Fisher as a player was only good for shooting and that's the one thing Rondo isn't good for. On the flip side the only guy the Cs should be interested in on the Knick roster is Melo and that would be asking for too much. Hardaway Jr will be a solid player but you want a lot more than "solid" for an All-Star and the Cs have too many guards anyway.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Rondo ain't goin nowhere


I Hope.......
I'm just hoping they send him to a good team so he can win a ring or two more while he's still in his prime.

[Shade8780]

Lin + Randle + HOU pick for Rondo and Sullinger

deal

Idk if the #s work, but BOS would likely take it, I think. I'm not sure if they can make a better deal. The only problem would be the fact that they would have Jeff Green & Wallace still. I think if Nash & Green get added to deal, BOS definitely does it. LAL first round pick next year is only top 5 protected, so they either need to be really bad or try to make a desperate playoff push. Who would start at PF? Sully, Booz, Davis?
Please be trolling.

If not, wtf are these guys smoking? :facepalm

[Shade8780]

I'll be sad if he leaves, underrated and one of the best PGs in the league when healthy. Celtics couldn't get anything good back in return though from these teams. It'd probably have to be a three-team trade for Ainge to accept, and they'd possibly have to take Wallace's contract on.

I think this would be the best we'd get in a two-team trade. Lakers would also have to add some future picks.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Smart
Bradley
Green
Randle
Sullinger

:confusedshrug:

[Real Men Wear Green]

I'll be sad if he leaves, underrated and one of the best PGs in the league when healthy. Celtics couldn't get anything good back in return though from these teams. It'd probably have to be a three-team trade for Ainge to accept, and they'd possibly have to take Wallace's contract on.

I think this would be the best we'd get in a two-team trade. Lakers would also have to add some future picks.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Smart
Bradley
Green
Randle
Sullinger

:confusedshrug:
I like Randle but not alongside Sullinger (or Olynyk). Both guys (as well as Olynyk) need to be paired with a center that can protect the basket or else the interior defense will be bad. Smart and Bradley are awesome guarding on the perimeter but if the bigs can't stop lay-ups the overall d will still stink. Randle, Sullinger and Olynyk are all pure PFs.

[ballup]

If Rondo wants out, Celtics are not going to get top dollar for him. He's obviously at the very least a top 10 point guard in the league (you have to take his ACL injury into consideration right now, we have yet to see him 100% since the injury, so I'll give it some wiggle room), but he's not a top 10 NBA player and there's no way we're giving up Randle and not getting a big man in return, have you seen our current roster? We're not going to start Robert freaking Sacre at Center.

Lin is an expirer and if Boston is in a rebuilding stage, it would help them stay in the lottery. Randle is a very promising prospect and looked good in college, he's got great handles and he's very athletic, quick in transition, good moves in the post.

You're getting a top 5 prospect + an expiring contract + another pick, if Boston is not content with paying Lin, send him to a 3rd team.

Overall, it's one of the better trades Boston could currently get for Rondo, and Rajon probably would actually want to play in LA with Kobe, let me remind you that Scott also was the guy that coached Jason Kidd on the early 2000s Nets teams that went to the Finals twice and he also coached Chris Paul, both guys had career years under him, Rondo would be the perfect fit for Scott's system.

This move is starting to make more and more sense to me as I'm typing this. We need a true big man on our roster, if Rondo wants to get out, Celtics want more future prospects. Both teams could come out as winners with this one.

Obviously, you can move some details around and involve other teams, but this makes the most sense to me. What other options do the Celtics have in regards to trading Rondo? He helped them win a championship, so I'm sure they'd try to appease him by making a deal with a team he'd actually want to play on, no teams are going to give a top 20-30 player in return for a point guard still coming back from an ACL injury when they could potentially sign him in the off-season. Boston doesn't want to just let him go for nothing either, so why not take on an expirer + a top prospect + a future 1st, that could also be used in future trade moves.

Sullinger is obviously still young and could potentially be an all-star big man for years to come, but it's not like Randle isn't a great prospect himself.
Aigne isn't going to bite on that deal. Sully was a top 5 pick talent wise. Basically swapping Sully for Randle and then trading Rondo for lin and an outside lotto pick. Total ripoff

[IncarceratedBob]

Sullinger will never be as good as Randle is right now

[SwishSquared]

Please be trolling.

If not, wtf are these guys smoking? :facepalm
What teams are giving up assets for Rondo on an expiring deal after he played less than a full year after coming back from an ACL tear? You realize he's not Kevin Love and won't get nearly the same haul for him? HOU, SAC, and NYK are teams that have shown interest, allegedly, and Morey (allegedly) wonders about him fitting in with his guys. Rondo told SAC management he won't re-sign there. Do the Knicks need a PG who doesn't fit the triangle now? He has a small trade market.

Getting an upgrade potentially in Randle over Sully (in talent level), an expiring (Lin), and a first for Rondo on a 1 year deal isn't awful and it's not great. Swap Nash for Gerald Wallace/Jeff Green and you clean up your cap sheet even more. You have to be realistic. I'd be shocked if BOS got a "homerun package" for him.

[fsvr54]

I know we suck, but why would he flat out say he wouldn't resign?

Why would anyone want to live in Sacramento unless they were raised there?

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Sullinger will never be as good as Randle is right now

Randle will never be as good as Sullinger is now (see how that works?)

End of the day, like it or not the Lakers will have to give a killer offer for ownership to sign off on a trade there. They still have the fans to think of and there would be riots in Boston if Rondo was traded to the Lakers for that pile of shit deal. If he's going there we need to be dumping Wallace at LEAST and getting unprotected 1sts back, not giving up other players of value (Sully). In the proposed deal in the thread, Celtics are downgrading at PG and PF (for now and the future) for the chance at a pick in the mid 20s.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l6txnah

That trade, with LA sending an unprotected 1st (whenever the closest one they can give is) would be the minimum I'd expect.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

What teams are giving up assets for Rondo on an expiring deal after he played less than a full year after coming back from an ACL tear? You realize he's not Kevin Love and won't get nearly the same haul for him? HOU, SAC, and NYK are teams that have shown interest, allegedly, and Morey (allegedly) wonders about him fitting in with his guys. Rondo told SAC management he won't re-sign there. Do the Knicks need a PG who doesn't fit the triangle now? He has a small trade market.

Getting an upgrade potentially in Randle over Sully (in talent level), an expiring (Lin), and a first for Rondo on a 1 year deal isn't awful and it's not great. Swap Nash for Gerald Wallace/Jeff Green and you clean up your cap sheet even more. You have to be realistic. I'd be shocked if BOS got a "homerun package" for him.

No one is asking for a homerun package, there's asking for not a ****ing terrible one. Lin is trash (and would cost ownership an extra $7m), Randle and Sullinger is a wash, and the pick is only useful if Houston drop off a lot more than expected.

[Shade8780]

What teams are giving up assets for Rondo on an expiring deal after he played less than a full year after coming back from an ACL tear? You realize he's not Kevin Love and won't get nearly the same haul for him? HOU, SAC, and NYK are teams that have shown interest, allegedly, and Morey (allegedly) wonders about him fitting in with his guys. Rondo told SAC management he won't re-sign there. Do the Knicks need a PG who doesn't fit the triangle now? He has a small trade market.

Getting an upgrade potentially in Randle over Sully (in talent level), an expiring (Lin), and a first for Rondo on a 1 year deal isn't awful and it's not great. Swap Nash for Gerald Wallace/Jeff Green and you clean up your cap sheet even more. You have to be realistic. I'd be shocked if BOS got a "homerun package" for him.
Bookmarked.

Just because Randle can jump higher and looks better than Sullinger doesn't mean he'll be better. He's more talented, but he won't be as good as Sully will be, because he isn't as skilled. I'd honestly rather have Sully right now than Randle.

[SwishSquared]

No one is asking for a homerun package, there's asking for not a ****ing terrible one. Lin is trash (and would cost ownership an extra $7m), Randle and Sullinger is a wash, and the pick is only useful if Houston drop off a lot more than expected.
I'm championing including Nash/Wallace in the deal to put BOS in a better situation financially going forward. I have said Lin + Randle + HOU pick isn't enough for Rondo. I mean you do want to trade Rondo right instead of risking him leaving for nothing right? I know you gotta seek the right deal, but BOS should be actively shopping him now.

Personally I would have taken the Asik/Lin/pick(s)-based deal HOU allegedly offered during last season. I also think Randle has a higher ceiling than Sully (so not a wash in my eyes). What's Sully's trade value right now? If Rondo has a wink-wink deal to re-up with LAL, then getting another first could be exacted from LAL. I just think that offers won't get significantly better, honestly.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

I'm championing including Nash/Wallace in the deal to put BOS in a better situation financially going forward. I have said Lin + Randle + HOU pick isn't enough for Rondo. I mean you do want to trade Rondo right instead of risking him leaving for nothing right? I know you gotta seek the right deal, but BOS should be actively shopping him now.

Personally I would have taken the Asik/Lin/pick(s)-based deal HOU allegedly offered during last season. I also think Randle has a higher ceiling than Sully (so not a wash in my eyes). What's Sully's trade value right now? If Rondo has a wink-wink deal to re-up with LAL, then getting another first could be exacted from LAL. I just think that offers won't get significantly better, honestly.

If Houston offered that, I think Ainge would have taken it. You can think Randle has a higher ceiling but I (and no doubt others) don't agree and that's enough to make it a wash. I think Olynyk will be better than either (personally) but that's moot.

Drop Randle to a 3rd team for a young player in a different position and add Nash/Wallace and another pick into the deal then I'd be thinking about it. But its STILL sending your best player to the Lakers - not going to be a popular move, by any stretch. I'd rather send him elsewhere for a lesser package, honestly, and I'm sure other Celtics fans would agree. If LA was offering a godfather deal - like 2 picks and 2 youngsters - then yeah, sure, but now you're talking about a slightly-better-than-crap deal compared to a crap one...

[SwishSquared]

Bookmarked.

Just because Randle can jump higher and looks better than Sullinger doesn't mean he'll be better. He's more talented, but he won't be as good as Sully will be, because he isn't as skilled. I'd honestly rather have Sully right now than Randle.
Sully might be better Day 1 but what about 3 years from now? I said potentially an upgrade based on Randle having more talent. I never claimed Randle is more skilled than current day Sully. Also, I've maintained that Nash & Wallace would have to be added to the trade. It's essentially trading Rondo for Randle and Wallace +Sully for Nash + Lin expiring deals.

Regarding Lin, yes he's not good. He makes $3M more than Rondo this year, but his deal is used as filler to take back Wallace. Would Celtics fans want a year of Nash + Lin or 2 more years of Wallace? That's the framework of a hypothetical deal that's been posted.

I think Rondo's market is so small that the quality of the deals might not improve that much prior to start of season. He probably shouldn't be on the roster opening night because he'll only make the team good enough to miss out on a top draft pick and the team isn't going to make a deep playoff run. He's a top 20 player when healthy but it's hard for a team to give up too much stuff right now when he can be had next summer.

[SwishSquared]

If Houston offered that, I think Ainge would have taken it. You can think Randle has a higher ceiling but I (and no doubt others) don't agree and that's enough to make it a wash. I think Olynyk will be better than either (personally) but that's moot.

Drop Randle to a 3rd team for a young player in a different position and add Nash/Wallace and another pick into the deal then I'd be thinking about it. But its STILL sending your best player to the Lakers - not going to be a popular move, by any stretch. I'd rather send him elsewhere for a lesser package, honestly, and I'm sure other Celtics fans would agree. If LA was offering a godfather deal - like 2 picks and 2 youngsters - then yeah, sure, but now you're talking about a slightly-better-than-crap deal compared to a crap one...
FWIW, the reports were BOS countering with Lin/Parsons/Asik/first rounder and HOU turned it down (granted they lost all of those items this summer but at time was a lot to give up mid-season). Look, the point about me thinking that Randle having a higher ceiling is different people value guys differently. I was just saying my valuation is Randle carries more long-term value based on his talent level. You think Olynyk will be the best of the bunch and that's fine. But to say we don't agree and surely others will disagree with my opinion is enough to make it a wash isn't valid, honestly.

I have been saying that I don't think you'll get a godfather deal for him, not at this time. Whatever the kings were offering likely has been best package this offseason. Expectations should be lowered because I don't you'll get two young guys and 2 picks. Cap relief, a first, and a great prospect might be the best you can get from non-LAL teams.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

FWIW, the reports were BOS countering with Lin/Parsons/Asik/first rounder and HOU turned it down (granted they lost all 3 of those items this summer but at time was a lot to give up mid-season). Look, the point about me thinking that Randle having a higher ceiling is different people value guys differently. I was just saying my valuation is Randle carries more long-term value based on his talent level. You think Olynyk will be the best of the bunch and that's fine. But to say we don't agree and surely others will disagree with my opinion is enough to make it a wash isn't valid, honestly.

I have been saying that I don't think you'll get a godfather deal for him, not at this time. Whatever the kings were offering likely has been best package this offseason. Expectations should be lowered because I don't you'll get two young guys and 2 picks. Cap relief, a first, and a great prospect might be the best you can get from non-LAL teams.

And I would take that, because that's all the fake LA trades are but they also want another of our young players. If the trade included Randle going elsewhere, and an unprotected pick from LA, and a project Centre coming back (ideally Dieng, but I'd take Biyombo) then I'm more interested. As it is, I'm not sending a popular Celtics player to the Lakers for anything less than 2 picks, cap relief and a young player (who isn't named Julius Randle).

(also, couldn't give a shit if Rondo won't sign there, if we can get McLemore, a pick and filler I'd take that from Sacramento)

[SwishSquared]

And I would take that, because that's all the fake LA trades are but they also want another of our young players. If the trade included Randle going elsewhere, and an unprotected pick from LA, and a project Centre coming back (ideally Dieng, but I'd take Biyombo) then I'm more interested. As it is, I'm not sending a popular Celtics player to the Lakers for anything less than 2 picks, cap relief and a young player (who isn't named Julius Randle).

(also, couldn't give a shit if Rondo won't sign there, if we can get McLemore, a pick and filler I'd take that from Sacramento)
Haha I gotcha, I understand the BOS-LAL thing. Well I hope Ainge finds a trade that appeases you! Best of luck to your squad this year :cheers:

[hawkfan]

2 firsts from the Rockets.

[BallsOut]

Lakers should offer Randle, Houston 1st round pick, and Steve Nash for Rajon Rondo (S&T)

Lakers
PG: Rondo | Lin
SG: Bryant | Young
SF: Johnson | Henry
PF: Boozer | Kelly
C: Hill | Davis

Celtics
PG: Smart | Nash
SG: Bradley | Young
SF: Green | Wallace
PF: Randle | Bass
C: Olynyk | Sullinger

Great deal for both teams.

[ballup]

That just creates a big man log jam. No thanks

[CelticBalla32]

lol at people giving Sullinger the eye test and completely basing their opinion of him on his physical appearance. He is extremely skilled. He is better than Randle right now. I think Randle might have more potential, honestly, but Sully is already a pretty good all-around player with a much higher basketball IQ than Randle will ever have.

[hawkfan]

Kylie Irving for Rondo and some bigs.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Lakers should offer Randle, Houston 1st round pick, and Steve Nash for Rajon Rondo (S&T)

Lakers
PG: Rondo | Lin
SG: Bryant | Young
SF: Johnson | Henry
PF: Boozer | Kelly
C: Hill | Davis

Celtics
PG: Smart | Nash
SG: Bradley | Young
SF: Green | Wallace
PF: Randle | Bass
C: Olynyk | Sullinger

Great deal for both teams.

U want to come suck my c0ck for a min? Instead of putting randle in the trade

[King Boozer]

FWIW, the reports were BOS countering with Lin/Parsons/Asik/first rounder and HOU turned it down (granted they lost all of those items this summer but at time was a lot to give up mid-season).


Were they going to get other players/picks as well as Rondo? Surely it wasn't all that for just Rondo. Imagine if Green or Sullinger were a part of that deal? Damn, imagine if HOU would have taken it! Losing out on Bosh & Parsons and signing Ariza, hoping he plays like he did with WAS and also dealing Lin & Asik for not much in return...

What can HOU even offer BOS atm?

[KingLeBronJames]

Rondo needs to shut up. He's a quitter.

[BrownEye007]

Kylie Irving for Rondo and some bigs.
No way it actually would happen but if that were to happen I'd just stop watching the NBA. Rondo is MAD over rated and certainly not worth giving up Kyrie. But Kyrie and filler for Rondo :biggums:

[BlackWhiteGreen]

That just creates a big man log jam. No thanks

It's not even that, it's the fact they're all PFs.

Browneye, hawkfan was suggesting Rondo + bigs for Kyrie. Still never happening but I think you read him wrong

[Pushxx]

Rondo has been incredibly supportive of the organization, fans, and community, especially this offseason.

My guess is Jackie Mac heard something like Rondo wanting something specific to get done, and if it doesn't, he wants to get traded.

I doubt Rondo would want out at this point unless he feels Brad Stevens is a bad coach or there's something seriously wrong with Marcus Smart. Those are the only two possibilities to me.

Either way there is a long way to go before free agency next season. After Jeff Green turns down his player option, the Celtics have only ~$15 million on the books and a ****ton of assets/first round picks.

[ballup]

It's not even that, it's the fact they're all PFs.

Browneye, hawkfan was suggesting Rondo + bigs for Kyrie. Still never happening but I think you read him wrong
I was talking about ballsout's trade idea.

A logjam of prospects and tradeable players like Bass is a disaster. Someone's development or trade value gets destroyed in those situations

[Real Men Wear Green]

I doubt Rondo would want out at this point unless he feels Brad Stevens is a bad coach or there's something seriously wrong with Marcus Smart. Those are the only two possibilities to me.
Smart being drafted alone could be "seriously wrong" as far as Rondo is concerned. The Cs used their lottery pick on a player that plays his position, the team is rebuilding and he's in his prime. If I was him I'd be like "give me the max or I'm out of here" which is probably his position.

[Pushxx]

Smart being drafted alone could be "seriously wrong" as far as Rondo is concerned. The Cs used their lottery pick on a player that plays his position, the team is rebuilding and he's in his prime. If I was him I'd be like "give me the max or I'm out of here" which is probably his position.

But Rondo isn't dumb enough to be bitter about the Celtics drafting a PG. Marcus Smart was the best player available at #6 by far (in my opinion).

There would have to be something else wrong with Marcus Smart other than just his draft choice. Rondo is not an unreasonable person.

[SwishSquared]

Were they going to get other players/picks as well as Rondo? Surely it wasn't all that for just Rondo. Imagine if Green or Sullinger were a part of that deal? Damn, imagine if HOU would have taken it! Losing out on Bosh & Parsons and signing Ariza, hoping he plays like he did with WAS and also dealing Lin & Asik for not much in return...

What can HOU even offer BOS atm?
Maybe Jeff Green or Bass were part of the deal, I honestly can't remember. As far as now, Houston can offer a bunch of non-guaranteed deals and expiring contracts, future picks, Jones/DMo, & Capella. So the package wouldn't be as good now.

[Real Men Wear Green]

But Rondo isn't dumb enough to be bitter about the Celtics drafting a PG. Marcus Smart was the best player available at #6 by far (in my opinion).

There would have to be something else wrong with Marcus Smart other than just his draft choice. Rondo is not an unreasonable person.
It's not about being bitter. It's just being logical about his situation. He's about to be a free agent, the team is rebuilding and one of the centerpieces of that rebuild is a guy that plays his position. The Celtics drafted Smart because they anticipate losing Rondo either via trade or as a free agent. Two ball-dominant pgs that aren't any good from three aren't a compatible backcourt. Plus the second first round pick was an SG and the Cs re-signed their starting SG so it would be tough to get Smart minutes at the 2 anyway. Bottom line, there is no future in a Rondo/Smart backcourt. I would liuke to see Rondo stay but it's not happening.

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

But Rondo isn't dumb enough to be bitter about the Celtics drafting a PG. Marcus Smart was the best player available at #6 by far (in my opinion).

There would have to be something else wrong with Marcus Smart other than just his draft choice. Rondo is not an unreasonable person.


Randle was the best player ther and not smart

[Pushxx]

It's not about being bitter. It's just being logical about his situation. He's about to be a free agent, the team is rebuilding and one of the centerpieces of that rebuild is a guy that plays his position. The Celtics drafted Smart because they anticipate losing Rondo either via trade or as a free agent. Two ball-dominant pgs that aren't any good from three aren't a compatible backcourt. Plus the second first round pick was an SG and the Cs re-signed their starting SG so it would be tough to get Smart minutes at the 2 anyway. Bottom line, there is no future in a Rondo/Smart backcourt. I would liuke to see Rondo stay but it's not happening.

We don't know why the Celtics drafted Smart, but I doubt it had anything to do with Rondo. Smart was the best player available. I think they'd have drafted Smart no matter the situation with Rondo. The Celtics had other needs at the time, but still chose Smart, because the other players available were not as good.

To me James Young is a SF not a SG.

I can't say how a Rondo/Smart/Bradley would fare for the future. It sounds like a good one to me.

[Pushxx]

Randle was the best player ther and not smart

Randle was one of the worst defenders in college basketball for all rotation players.

[Real Men Wear Green]

We don't know why the Celtics drafted Smart, but I doubt it had anything to do with Rondo. Smart was the best player available. I think they'd have drafted Smart no matter the situation with Rondo. The Celtics had other needs at the time, but still chose Smart, because the other players available were not as good.

To me James Young is a SF not a SG.

I can't say how a Rondo/Smart/Bradley would fare for the future. It sounds like a good one to me.
Two point guards that lack range and need the ball in their hands is not a good fit. It hurts spacing as the d won't respect them as shooters and neither guy is going to do much when he doesn't have the ball. It's bad for the team and they will limit each other. I feel extremely sure given everything going on with Rondo's contract and the team rebuilding that Ainge got Smart because he doesn't see Rondo in the team's future. Keeping both players makes little sense long-term. Team is nowhere near good enough for it to make sense to have the top two talents at the same position. Ainge has to convert one of them into talent at one or more of the team's weaker positions. I'm betting that the guy that goes is the guy that wants 100 mil.

James Young will play 2 as well as 3 throughout his career but if he's getting on the floor as a Celtic he's going to have to play some SG. The team's best scorer (for better or for worse) is already at SF. Jeff Green has to get major pt.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Two point guards that lack range and need the ball in their hands is not a good fit. It hurts spacing as the d won't respect them as shooters and neither guy is going to do much when he doesn't have the ball. It's bad for the team and they will limit each other. I feel extremely sure given everything going on with Rondo's contract and the team rebuilding that Ainge got Smart because he doesn't see Rondo in the team's future. Keeping both players makes little sense long-term. Team is nowhere near good enough for it to make sense to have the top two talents at the same position. Ainge has to convert one of them into talent at one or more of the team's weaker positions. I'm betting that the guy that goes is the guy that wants 100 mil.

James Young will play 2 as well as 3 throughout his career but if he's getting on the floor as a Celtic he's going to have to play some SG. The team's best scorer (for better or for worse) is already at SF. Jeff Green has to get major pt.

I'd say it's as much Ainge hedging his bets as it is to do with him not seeing Rondo in the future. The only other realistic options were Randle and perhaps Vonleh, who are PFs where the Celts are already invested in Olynyk and Sully.

I could see Ainge just giving him the year to prove he's worth what he thinks he is. Unless he has a monster season (when we can give him a max deal), LA is probably the only team willing to throw the max at him

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

God, what I'd do to see Rondo on the Lakers. This is the one injury prone player I'd sell the farm for.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

would have fcking loved seeing rondo/pau/kobe.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

God, what I'd do to see Rondo on the Lakers. This is the one injury prone player I'd sell the farm for.

:oldlol: you mean 1 injury

[Hey Yo]

God, what I'd do to see Rondo on the Lakers. This is the one injury prone player I'd sell the farm for.
He's a UFA next summer. You're going to sell the farm for a guy who might sign elsewhere?

[BlackWhiteGreen]

He's a UFA next summer. You're going to sell the farm for a guy who might sign elsewhere?

Yeah, they'd never do that.

http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/dm_130626_Lakers_Unveil_Banner_Pleading_Dwight_How ard_To_Stay.jpg

[christian1923]

Yeah, they'd never do that.

http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/dm_130626_Lakers_Unveil_Banner_Pleading_Dwight_How ard_To_Stay.jpg
Lol they only traded Bynum

[FPJ]

would have fcking loved seeing rondo/pau/kobe.

You saw Nash, Kobe, Pau and Howard...

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Randle was one of the worst defenders in college basketball for all rotation players.

1 of the stupidest statements i have read all day today.

Didnt he say NO to the celtics workout after he worked out for the lakers?

Bitter celtic fan i assume

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

:oldlol: you mean 1 injury
you're kidding, right?

[BlackWhiteGreen]

1 of the stupidest statements i have read all day today.

Didnt he say NO to the celtics workout after he worked out for the lakers?

Bitter celtic fan i assume

https://twitter.com/GwashburnGlobe/statuses/481848273678782464

So no, he didn't

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

You saw Nash, Kobe, Pau and Howard...
yeah, not sure i'd want to see them together now, but a few years ago, sure. healthy rondo/dwight/kobe/pau, i just jizzed in my pants.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

you're kidding, right?

Missed over a year with the ACL, had a lockout season, and he's still played 505 career games in 8 years. Aside from the ACL he's missed 37 games in 6 seasons, or 6 a season.

[Smook A.]

Here's a quote from an SB Nation article that was posted recently:


Rajon Rondo has told the Celtics he "wants out," longtime Boston sportswriter Jackie MacMullan said in an ESPN video released this week. The comments were published in a supplemental video from Around The Horn, the ESPN game show on which MacMullan and other sports personalities regularly appear. Jay King of MassLive.com brought the video to the internet's attention on Sunday.

In her comments, MacMullan said that Rondo has indicated to Boston that he will not re-sign with the Celtics when his contract expires in 2015 and that he would not re-sign with the Kings, who happen to be the most obvious trade partner given their desire for a distributing and defending point guard and young assets. MacMullan also discusses Rondo's relationship with Doc Rivers.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/8/31/6089601/rajon-rondo-trade-request-celtics-rumors

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Here's a quote from an SB Nation article that was posted recently:



http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/8/31/6089601/rajon-rondo-trade-request-celtics-rumors

She doesn't really say exactly that - she just says "he's already told them he wants out". If this is true - and again, this wasn't even aired until it was posted on YouTube (great find btw, took till today for most of NBA media to pick it up :cheers: ) - he's angling for a trade, not leaving in FA, and MacMullen hasn't written anything about it even though you could get a big column from all the options she threw out there. No backup from the other guys with sources as yet so I'm sceptical.