As a Kobe fan, I have to admit something...

[stalkerforlife]

As much as I want it to be, Kobe can't surpass Jordan. Right now, Kobe is in the 3-7 range all time. If he can end up with the most points all time, in the regular season and the playoffs, he will be 2nd all time. (With no question) However, he will simply never be able to pass the GOAT, Michael Jordan.

I urge all of my fellow Kobe fans, and haters, to admit that everything i've said in this post is 100% accurate.

The sad truth.

[ZeN]

MJ doesn't need your validation..

[SamuraiSWISH]

Obvious is obvious.

[Real14]

he will never be better than Jordan but will forever be better than LeBron.

[GODbe]

I disagree. There's a reason Jordan looks up to Kobe and is always hugging Kobe's balls whenever he's brought up in a conversation. Goatbe surpassed Jordan a long time ago.

[stalkerforlife]

I disagree. There's a reason Jordan looks up to Kobe and is always hugging Kobe's balls whenever he's brought up in a conversation. Goatbe surpassed Jordan a long time ago.

:lebronamazed:

[Fudge]

Greatest poster ALIVE. It's only fitting that you're a Kobe fan. :applause:

I love you.

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe will never surpass MJ, and that's alright. Kobe does have the option of ending 2nd best of all time though. All depends on how the next couple years pan out for him.

[stalkerforlife]

Greatest poster ALIVE. It's only fitting that you're a Kobe fan. :applause:

I love you.

I love you too, handsome.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe will never surpass MJ, and that's alright. Kobe does have the option of ending 2nd best of all time though. All depends on how the next couple years pan out for him.

:applause:

[ImKobe]

Kobe is the best player of his generation and that's all that should matter really.

People will remember the 2000s as the kobe era.

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe is the best player of his generation and that's all that should matter really.

People will remember the 2000s as the kobe era.
That's a given. We are talking about all time tho.

[ImKobe]

That's a given. We are talking about all time tho.

All-time, top 10 is not a bad feat.

[stalkerforlife]

All-time, top 10 is not a bad feat.

It's not, but Kobe is no lower than 7. I have him as 3rd behind MJ and Kareem.

[JT123]

I will say this, if Kobe wins a ring this year with Finals MVP honors we will for sure crack my top 25. At the moment I have him just behind Dirk.

[stalkerforlife]

I will say this, if Kobe wins a ring this year with Finals MVP honors we will for sure crack my top 25. At the moment I have him just behind Dirk.

:kobe:

[DonDadda59]

What the f*ck? What year is this? :biggums:

[Asukal]

Too bad kobe is too old to do anything significant now. :oldlol:

[StephHamann]

As much as I want it to be, Kobe can't surpass Jordan. Right now, Kobe is in the 3-7 range all time. If he can end up with the most points all time, in the regular season and the playoffs, he will be 2nd all time. (With no question) However, he will simply never be able to pass the GOAT, Michael Jordan.

I urge all of my fellow Kobe fans, and haters, to admit that everything i've said in this post is 100% accurate.

The sad truth.

http://www.picgifs.com/reaction-gifs/reaction-gifs/pleased/pleased11.gif

[gts]

I will say this, if Kobe wins a ring this year with Finals MVP honors we will for sure crack my top 25. At the moment I have him just behind Dirk.

Nobody cares about your top 25.

You're an idiot

[stalkerforlife]

Nobody cares about your top 25.

You're an idiot

:lol

[JT123]

Nobody cares about your top 25.

You're an idiot
Kobe stans catching mad feelings! :roll: :roll: :roll:

[GODbe]

Nobody cares about your top 25.

You're an idiot
:applause:

[Inferno]

3-7? :kobe:

[Nowitness]

I thought you were going to admit something most blind Kobe fans can't see (Not that he can't surpass MJ, anyone with any sensibility understands this). Like he really is in the 8/12 range, and will never surpass Duncan.

And as a scorer averaged less points than Shaq averaged rebounds in 2000.

[buddha]

As much as I want it to be, Kobe can't surpass Jordan. Right now, Kobe is in the 3-7 range all time. If he can end up with the most points all time, in the regular season and the playoffs, he will be 2nd all time. (With no question) However, he will simply never be able to pass the GOAT, Michael Jordan.

I urge all of my fellow Kobe fans, and haters, to admit that everything i've said in this post is 100% accurate.

The sad truth.


This was obvious 8 years ago.

[DaSeba5]

3-7?

Was that really the point of this thread and you just used him never catching up to MJ to cover this?

[SwayDizzle]

Nobody cares about your top 25.

You're an idiot
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[DaSeba5]

Kobe is definitely top 10. I don't see how he would be top 3 though.

[buddha]

Kobe is definitely top 10. I don't see how he would be top 3 though.

because wilt and bill russell don't count.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe is definitely top 10. I don't see how he would be top 3 though.

:biggums:

[DaSeba5]

:biggums:

Explain.

[DaSeba5]

because wilt and bill russell don't count.

That eliminates 2 people. What puts him over Magic, Bird, Duncan, and Shaq?

[stalkerforlife]

Explain.

Most ever first team ALL-NBA selections and first team ALL-DEFENSE selections. 5 titles. Two finals MVPs. 31,700 points is 4th all time. 5,640 playoff points is 3rd all time.

He's easily top 5 all time.

[SwayDizzle]

What Kobe did during the 2012-2013 season was nothing short of amazing. He single handedly brought the Lakers to the playoffs; in his 17th season none the less. This catapulted him in the top 5.

[stalkerforlife]

What Kobe did during the 2012-2013 season was nothing short of amazing. He single handedly brought the Lakers to the playoffs; in his 17th season none the less. This catapulted him in the top 5.

It was really special, simply because his team quit on him. He played with the fire that they all lacked.

Few people understand that his team quit.

[DaSeba5]

It was really special, simply because his team quit on him. He played with the fire that they all lacked.

Few people understand that his team quit.

IDK if they quit. They just sucked. Too old and too many injuries with no defense. A recipe for disaster.

[SwayDizzle]

It was really special, simply because his team quit on him. He played with the fire that they all lacked.

Few people understand that his team quit.
So true. All you have to do is pay attention to the team's body language during that season, then it becomes obvious.

[dubeta]

I might be the biggest kobe fan on this site but there's no way even I can put him in the top 10


Too many disappointments imo :(

[GrapeApe]

Most ever first team ALL-NBA selections and first team ALL-DEFENSE selections. 5 titles. Two finals MVPs. 31,700 points is 4th all time. 5,640 playoff points is 3rd all time.

He's easily top 5 all time.

His resume is arguably top 5, no doubt. As a player I rank him in the 12-15 range. When factoring in both I have him ranked number 8 all time. Fantastic player, fantastic career. :applause:

[stalkerforlife]

His resume is arguably top 5, no doubt. As a player I rank him in the 12-15 range. When factoring in both I have him ranked number 8 all time. Fantastic player, fantastic career. :applause:

8 isn't so bad that I will argue it.

[SwayDizzle]

His resume is arguably top 5, no doubt. As a player I rank him in the 12-15 range. When factoring in both I have him ranked number 8 all time. Fantastic player, fantastic career. :applause:
fair enough, you probably have Bird and Magic over Kobe that's why. hard to argue between those three. all legends

[Cocaine80s]

In the past 4 years he had 2 first round exits and 2 missed playoffs.

If they miss the playoffs again this year he drops out of my top 15

[Fudge]

I have him somewhere between 2-5, depending on the day.

[Warfan]

What Kobe did during the 2012-2013 season was nothing short of amazing. He single handedly brought the Lakers to the playoffs; in his 17th season none the less. This catapulted him in the top 5.

Just wow :facepalm You cant be serious :roll:

[SwayDizzle]

In the past 4 years he had 2 first round exits and 2 missed playoffs.

If they miss the playoffs again this year he drops out of my top 15
you mean in the past 4 years, 2 second rounds, and 2 missed coz of injury

[dubeta]

Apparently taking this team

http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/350x-611.jpeg


to the 7th seed is supposed to be praiseworthy :facepalm :no:

[DonDadda59]

What Kobe did during the 2012-2013 season was nothing short of amazing. He single handedly brought the Lakers to the playoffs; in his 17th season none the less. This catapulted him in the top 5.

Technically the Lakers were the 10th seed when Bean went down with the achilles injury. The Warriors game was tied at 109 when Bean left with 3 min left. Lakers won that game and then the remaining 2 against the Rockets and Spurs without him to clinch the 7th seed.

[SwayDizzle]

Apparently taking this team

http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/350x-611.jpeg


to the 7th seed is supposed to be praiseworthy :facepalm :no:

Referring to Kobe's 17th season

"Of the thousands of NBA players over the last 60 years, just 42 played for at least that long, making it an amazing accomplishment.

And, of that elite group, there are but a handful who managed to perform at a high level that late in the game."

[Hey Yo]

Technically the Lakers were the 10th seed when Bean went down with the achilles injury. The Warriors game was tied at 109 when Bean left with 3 min left. Lakers won that game and then the remaining 2 against the Rockets and Spurs without him to clinch the 7th seed.
swaydizzle ruined

[SwayDizzle]

Technically the Lakers were the 10th seed when Bean went down with the achilles injury. The Warriors game was tied at 109 when Bean left with 3 min left. Lakers won that game and then the remaining 2 against the Rockets and Spurs without him to clinch the 7th seed.
With all the key players being injured throughout the season, there was one consistent player on the floor for the Lakers, and that was Kobe. To doubt that he carried this team to the playoffs is absurd.

[dubeta]

LeBron would have 3 peated with that 2013 Lakers roster :facepalm

[DonDadda59]

With all the key players being injured throughout the season, there was one consistent player on the floor for the Lakers, and that was Kobe. To doubt that he carried this team to the playoffs is absurd.

I hear you dawg. Believe me, I hear you.

But I'm just saying. Technically... the Lakers were the 10th seed when Kobe went down with the achilles injury. And again, technically, the Lakers beat the Warriors (injury happened with 3:09 left in the fourth, tied game), Spurs, and Rockets without him to secure a playoff spot, the 7th seed.

So technically, he dragged them to the 10th seed.

[GrapeApe]

8 isn't so bad that I will argue it.

Yeah, I'm open to him being a bit higher or lower depending on point of view but he's 100% cemented as top 10 and it's foolish to argue otherwise. I'd love to see him bounce back from the injuries and have a great season. Wade is my guy but I have a lot of respect for Kobe.

[SwayDizzle]

LeBron would have 3 peated with that 2013 Lakers roster :facepalm
yeah you probably think that Gasol, Dwight, Nash, Artest and Kobe were all on the floor at the same time throughout that season

[DaSeba5]

Both sides exaggerate that team.

That team was old and injury prone. Their starting 5 barely played together. Even Howard wasn't really that healthy. And their defense was atrocious. Nobody was winning with that team.

But let's not act like Kobe carried them single handily to the playoffs. That offense was still solid enough to win games. That shouldn't be a factor in ranking Kobe.

[SwayDizzle]

Both sides exaggerate that team.

That team was old and injury prone. Their starting 5 barely played together. Even Howard wasn't really that healthy. And their defense was atrocious. Nobody was winning with that team.

But let's not act like Kobe carried them single handily to the playoffs. That offense was still solid enough to win games. That shouldn't be a factor in ranking Kobe.
him playing at such a high level in his 17th season is a factor in ranking Kobe

[stalkerforlife]

Yeah, I'm open to him being a bit higher or lower depending on point of view but he's 100% cemented as top 10 and it's foolish to argue otherwise. I'd love to see him bounce back from the injuries and have a great season. Wade is my guy but I have a lot of respect for Kobe.

Repped for being a great poster.

[DaSeba5]

him playing at such a high level in his 17th season is a factor in ranking Kobe

Kobe's legacy is already cemented. He's a top 10 player. Where you rank him in the top 10 is up to you. The only thing that will improve his rankings now if he somehow wins MVP and/or wins another title. That's not a factor in ranking Kobe. Being a 7th seed after that team's hype and getting swept in the first round is hardly something people will look back on in the future.

[dubeta]

yeah you probably think that Gasol, Dwight, Nash, Artest and Kobe were all on the floor at the same time throughout that season

LeBron + Dwight is good enough for a finals lock

Getting anything else for the rest of the supporting cast would be a bonus

[raprap]

Definitely one of the greats. Got him at #9. LeBron and Durant may kick him out of the top 10 though as both players are pacing really great aswell.

[DaSeba5]

Definitely one of the greats. Got him at #9. LeBron and Durant may kick him out of the top 10 though as both players are pacing really great aswell.

I have Kobe at 9 as well.

[SwayDizzle]

Kobe's legacy is already cemented. He's a top 10 player. Where you rank him in the top 10 is up to you. The only thing that will improve his rankings now if he somehow wins MVP and/or wins another title. That's not a factor in ranking Kobe. Being a 7th seed after that team's hype and getting swept in the first round is hardly something people will look back on in the future.
He didn't technically get swept. That was the Lakers team result. Individually he killed it that season. He might go down as the 2nd GOAT if he wins a chip. And you know if he wins it, he will most def be finals MVP. his character just wouldn't allow anything but.

[buddha]

That eliminates 2 people. What puts him over Magic, Bird, Duncan, and Shaq?

his career?

[stalkerforlife]

his career?

:roll:

[Encre92]

I'm a huge Kobe fan (since Shaq-riding era), but Kobe has no chance to pass even Lebron, let alone MJ.

Top 15 on my list.

[SwayDizzle]

I'm a huge Kobe fan (since Shaq-riding era), but Kobe has no chance to pass even Lebron, let alone MJ.

Top 15 on my list.
:roll: :roll: :roll: you are not a huge Kobe fan

[stalkerforlife]

I'm a huge Kobe fan (since Shaq-riding era), but Kobe has no chance to pass even Lebron, let alone MJ.

Top 15 on my list.

LMAO @ dubeta signing into his alt. :roll:

[rmt]

3-7?

Was that really the point of this thread and you just used him never catching up to MJ to cover this?

He thought he could sneak that by and everyone would be distracted by the MJ part. LOL, more like the tail end of the top 10 with Lebron closing in.

[Cocaine80s]

He didn't technically get swept. That was the Lakers team result. Individually he killed it that season. He might go down as the 2nd GOAT if he wins a chip. And you know if he wins it, he will most def be finals MVP. his character just wouldn't allow anything but.
why does he only have 2 fmvps then?

[imnew09]

damn man, You made it. From red to green :bowdown: definition of a great poster when you want to

[stalkerforlife]

damn man, You made it. From red to green :bowdown: definition of a great poster when you want to

Thanks, bro. I look forward to going back to red, though.

I ain't with this green phuckery while top posters like yourself are in red.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe has a long shot chance. the book isnt closed yet.

2 more rings with FMVP on both + all time points + all time playoff points

added to his already

all time most all nba 1st teams + all time most all defensive 1st teams


= GOAT

its obviously far fetched with the way the lakers are built and kobes leg being a question mark. but if he were to win multiple finals mvps in his 19th, 20th+ seasons and pass MJ in rings. that would be enough










































http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjQtzV9IZ0Q

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe has a long shot chance. the book isnt closed yet.

2 more rings with FMVP on both + all time points + all time playoff points

added to his already

all time most all nba 1st teams + all time most all defensive 1st teams


= GOAT

its obviously far fetched with the way the lakers are built and kobes leg being a question mark. but if he were to win multiple finals mvps in his 19th, 20th+ seasons and pass MJ in rings. that would be enough










































http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjQtzV9IZ0Q

You may be right. :applause:

[Cold soul]

Kobe wasn't on MJ level and that's not an insult either. Kobe is ranked in the top 10 by most and some top 5. I personally have him 6th.

[NZStreetBaller]

Yeah im a Kobe fan and at heart i have Kobe as the greatest but when im being real statistically and logically jordan is greater. so far but i think if he by somehow wins a title (with this scrub team that didnt even make the playoffs last year) through the overpowered western conference coming off two injuries at his old age (beats OKC spurs and rockets or something) then takes out lebron in the finals then hes is DEFINITELY without a doubt the GOAT. the odds are against him right now more they were against jordan EVER.

Highly unlikely but GOAT all time if that happened the odds are just so ridiculous

[LALakerFan4Life]

As a huge Kobe fan, I knew this since day one. Even if Kobe wins his 6 and 7 NBA Championships, he still won't pass Michael. Being 2nd greatest isn't bad.

[Cold soul]

As a huge Kobe fan, I knew this since day one. Even if Kobe wins his 6 and 7 NBA Championships, he still won't pass Michael. Being 2nd greatest isn't bad.

Where do you have Kobe ranked currently?

[NZStreetBaller]

As a huge Kobe fan, I knew this since day one. Even if Kobe wins his 6 and 7 NBA Championships, he still won't pass Michael. Being 2nd greatest isn't bad.

Since Day 1???? when exactly was day 1??

[pauk]

Im sorry, but you admiting that wont cover up what you were really trying to say:


I have him as 3rd behind MJ and Kareem.

[Stringer Bell]

I wish the NBA wasn't always trying to find "the next Jordan"

For one, Jordan was an amazingly talented and skilled player with a pathological desire to win. It's obviously going to be extremely hard for anyone to match his achievements. He was also a charismatic athlete. Jordan was clearly superior to Kobe, but Kobe was damn good too.

With so many ppl stuck on these Jordan comparisons, it's like a lot of people didn't enjoy watching a great player like Kobe because they were too busy talking about his inferiority to MJ. Granted, some of the comparisons were because of the way Kobe portrayed himself (tongue out, similar interview mannerisms, he once actually gave the same quote as Jordan did in Above and Beyond....word-for-word), but some of the comparisons actually seemed to cause resentment from MJ fans who were worried that Kobe would surpass MJ, or were offended that there even was a debate over who was better.

He's the consensus choice for 2nd greatest SG ever. Whatever you have him all-time, top 7, top 10, top 15, top 20....he's a great player in his own right.

[sportjames23]

Greatest poster ALIVE. It's only fitting that you're a Kobe fan. :applause:

I love you.


I love you too, handsome.


:biggums:

[hahaitme]

What if Kobe sells his soul and 8peats + 8fmvp starting this 14/15 season?

:coleman:

[Big#50]

No shot of passing Duncan, Bird, Shaq, KAJ, Jordan, Wilt. He is better than Magic, Russell, Hakeem and Lebron. Anywhere from 7 to 12 is reasonable. I have him at 7.

[COnDEMnED]

I'm a huge Kobe fan (since Shaq-riding era), but Kobe has no chance to pass even Lebron, let alone MJ.

Top 15 on my list.
No need to pass someone who's already behind you. MJ, on the other hand is out of reach. That shouldn't really matter to Lakers fans though. Lakers occupy 5 out of the top 10. Arguably 1a/b, 4, 5, 7 and 9. Big picture, it doesn't matter to me if Lebron takes over the number 9 spot when I have 4 players left in front of him. Of those 4, he only has the chance to overtake maybe one more of them. Top 6 is closed off to Lebron with a Duncan, Magic, Wilt road block. People can take the small victories if they need them I guess.

[COnDEMnED]

LeBron would have 3 peated with that 2013 Lakers roster :facepalm
He couldn't even 3peat with a better roster. :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

He couldn't even 3peat with a better roster. :roll:

:lol

[SwayDizzle]

He couldn't even 3peat with a better roster. :roll:
:roll: :roll: :applause: :applause: :bowdown:

[Encre92]

He couldn't even 3peat with a better roster. :roll:
Fail.

Dwight >>>>>>>>>> Bosh

Nash/Pau > Wade

[JohnFreeman]

Since Day 1???? when exactly was day 1??
The day he rode the bench as a rookie.

[dubeta]

Fail.

Dwight >>>>>>>>>> Bosh

Nash/Pau > Wade
:applause:


Finally someone objective in this thread



Gasol dwight artest Nash >>> injured wade and 12/6 Bosh

[Orlando Magic]

As a human being, I had to admit something...

The sun is hot.

That was about as obvious as this ****ing thread. Waste of life, you are. And Kobe is not in the 3 to 7 range. 7 is the absolute highest spot he could possibly hope to attain, and he certainly doesn't even deserve to be there.

[bigt]

2nd best shooting guard of all time is a pretty big accomplishment when it's all said and done, he's in my top 5-10 all time, Jordan Kareem Bird Shaq and Magic I'd have all ahead of him. He's in the same grouping as Duncan and Hakeem right now (I find it hard to rank Wilt and Russell simply because I haven't seen enough of their work comparative to the others).

[JohnFreeman]

As a human being, I had to admit something...

The sun is hot.

That was about as obvious as this ****ing thread. Waste of life, you are. And Kobe is not in the 3 to 7 range. 7 is the absolute highest spot he could possibly hope to attain, and he certainly doesn't even deserve to be there.
:roll:

[BIZARRO]

I have him #6. Anywhere from #2-#11 I could understand though.

Guy was truly great.

[red1]

worry about passing shaq duncan and lebron before even mentioning jordan

[Fork]

:roll: :roll: :applause: :applause: :bowdown:

People go crazy over the simplest things :facepalm

[Stringer Bell]

As a human being, I had to admit something...

The sun is hot.

That was about as obvious as this ****ing thread. Waste of life, you are. And Kobe is not in the 3 to 7 range. 7 is the absolute highest spot he could possibly hope to attain, and he certainly doesn't even deserve to be there.


:oldlol:

[SwayDizzle]

worry about passing shaq duncan and lebron before even mentioning jordan
Kobe is above all three

[Encre92]

As a human being, I had to admit something...

The sun is hot.

That was about as obvious as this ****ing thread. Waste of life, you are. And Kobe is not in the 3 to 7 range. 7 is the absolute highest spot he could possibly hope to attain, and he certainly doesn't even deserve to be there.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[noob cake]

As a human being, I had to admit something...

The sun is hot.

That was about as obvious as this ****ing thread. Waste of life, you are. And Kobe is not in the 3 to 7 range. 7 is the absolute highest spot he could possibly hope to attain, and he certainly doesn't even deserve to be there.

Agreed.

Kobe is around 10-11 range, behind Shaq and Hakeem.

He can realistically climb to 7 after Magic.

Jordan

Russel
Kareem
Wilt
Bird
Magic

Duncan
Hakeem
Shaq
Kobe

[Encre92]

Agreed.

Kobe is around 10-11 range, behind Shaq and Hakeem.

He can realistically climb to 7 after Magic.

Jordan

Russel
Kareem
Wilt
Bird
Magic

Duncan
Hakeem
Shaq
Kobe
Where is Lebron on your list?:facepalm

[riseagainst]

Where is Lebron on your list?:facepalm

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[JT123]

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Damn bro, 9 rolling smilies? Was it really THAT funny? :biggums:
People who are this easily amused are weird.

[riseagainst]

Damn bro, 9 rolling smilies? Was it really THAT funny? :biggums:
People who are this easily amused are weird.

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[sammichoffate]

Number 6 for me, any more titles would put him top 5. Others might have Duncan over him, that's perfectly fine :cheers:

[HurricaneKid]

18 Seasons.

0 seasons in the top 2 in the NBA in PER.
0 seasons in the top 3 in the NBA in WS.
0 Seasons in the top 4 in the NBA in RAPM.

Find me another all-time great who you could say this about. Otherwise go away.

No. No, he was never even close to MJ. And that doesn't mean he wasn't a great player for a really long time. He just wasn't as good as Kobestans would argue.

[stalkerforlife]

18 Seasons.

0 seasons in the top 2 in the NBA in PER.
0 seasons in the top 3 in the NBA in WS.
0 Seasons in the top 4 in the NBA in RAPM.

Find me another all-time great who you could say this about. Otherwise go away.

No. No, he was never even close to MJ. And that doesn't mean he wasn't a great player for a really long time. He just wasn't as good as Kobestans would argue.

No one has any clue what any of that means, including you.

5 titles. 7 finals appearances. End of story.

[HurricaneKid]

No one has any clue what any of that means, including you.

5 titles. 7 finals appearances. End of story.

Sure I do. By any advanced statistical analysis, whether it be impact on the score (RAPM), splitting up the team's wins by statistical contributions (WS), or using a basic efficiency model (PER- which actually rewards inefficient chucking), he has never been one of the top 2-4 players in the league.

If your model has Robert Horry >>> everyone else that has played since Bill Russell its time to get a new model.

Find me another great player that hasn't been in the top of any of those lists. There aren't any. Because they manage to work their way on to at least ONE of those lists.

[dubeta]

Sure I do. By any advanced statistical analysis, whether it be impact on the score (RAPM), splitting up the team's wins by statistical contributions (WS), or using a basic efficiency model (PER- which actually rewards inefficient chucking), he has never been one of the top 2-4 players in the league.

If your model has Robert Horry >>> everyone else that has played since Bill Russell its time to get a new model.

Find me another great player that hasn't been in the top of any of those lists. There aren't any. Because they manage to work their way on to at least ONE of those lists.

:applause: :applause:

exposing low IQ kobetards

[noob cake]

Sure I do. By any advanced statistical analysis, whether it be impact on the score (RAPM), splitting up the team's wins by statistical contributions (WS), or using a basic efficiency model (PER- which actually rewards inefficient chucking), he has never been one of the top 2-4 players in the league.

If your model has Robert Horry >>> everyone else that has played since Bill Russell its time to get a new model.

Find me another great player that hasn't been in the top of any of those lists. There aren't any. Because they manage to work their way on to at least ONE of those lists.

Stanshutdown :bowdown:

[stalkerforlife]

Sure I do. By any advanced statistical analysis, whether it be impact on the score (RAPM), splitting up the team's wins by statistical contributions (WS), or using a basic efficiency model (PER- which actually rewards inefficient chucking), he has never been one of the top 2-4 players in the league.

If your model has Robert Horry >>> everyone else that has played since Bill Russell its time to get a new model.

Find me another great player that hasn't been in the top of any of those lists. There aren't any. Because they manage to work their way on to at least ONE of those lists.

Red flag.

:no:

[JellyBean]

I will say this, if Kobe wins a ring this year with Finals MVP honors we will for sure crack my top 25. At the moment I have him just behind Dirk.

:biggums:

[Cali Syndicate]

TIL Kobe has never been a 2-4 best player in the league. Gotta love ISH

[stalkerforlife]

TIL Kobe has never been a 2-4 best player in the league. Gotta love ISH

Bu bu bu bu bu BUT my stat geek hero gave me the formula to greatness!

[AintNoSunshine]

Nothing after the first sentence is true.

[AintNoSunshine]

Sure I do. By any advanced statistical analysis, whether it be impact on the score (RAPM), splitting up the team's wins by statistical contributions (WS), or using a basic efficiency model (PER- which actually rewards inefficient chucking), he has never been one of the top 2-4 players in the league.

If your model has Robert Horry >>> everyone else that has played since Bill Russell its time to get a new model.

Find me another great player that hasn't been in the top of any of those lists. There aren't any. Because they manage to work their way on to at least ONE of those lists.
:bowdown:

[red1]

Kobe is above all three
Nah. All three are more impactful players. Of the three kobe is only greater than lebron all-time but that will soon change as well.

[Mr.Kite]

i'm not sure, but i can only name several players ahead of him

jordan
kareem
magic
bird
russel
shaq

[HurricaneKid]

TIL Kobe has never been a 2-4 best player in the league. Gotta love ISH

I said according to the advanced stats, which his best were PER - 3rd; RAPM - 6th; WS - 4th.

[funnystuff]

His resume is arguably top 5, no doubt. As a player I rank him in the 12-15 range. When factoring in both I have him ranked number 8 all time. Fantastic player, fantastic career. :applause:
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