Illegal aliens as old as 35 enrolling in school but Obama says they cannot verify age

[SunsN07BookIt]

[i]"One of the things that we did notice when we were processing some of these students coming in was that they were adults,

[Akrazotile]

More poor minorities in America = more Democratic voters. More dem voters, more govt authority. Even Republican politicians dont really care bout this. Theyre happy to have more power too.

Its nothing but politics. Politicians dont care about America. They wanna get theirs now. Illegals dont care about America. They wanna get theirs now.

Solution? Team up to manipulate the heartstrings of overgrown weenies like deucewallaces who still havent outgrown their childhood insecurities and dont feel comfortable acting like men, prey on their desire to be seen as some kind of intellectually advanced contrarian robin hood figure of importance, and get them to support the consumption of Americas future by politicians and foreigners.


Its politics.

[sweggeh]

Imagine your 14 year old daughter dating her classmate who is really a 35 year old Mexican father of 6.

[MadeFromDust]

And I thought illegals were supposed to be deported? Did the laws change or is Obama blatantly violating our established laws??

[NumberSix]

Nothing more than an intentional loophole to grant illegals immunity.

[iTare]

illegals are good folk

[Akrazotile]

illegals are good folk


Lots of them are, sure. So why dont you offer to shelter a few in your home? Cover their groceries. Pay their insurance. Hire them a tutor.


Ohh, you dont want to do all these things with YOUR money, you just feel they should be provided with other peoples money. That way you get to look like Mr Compassionate while the actual resources are coming from someone else.


You and deucewallaces bro. You dont have the natural manliness to stick up for something anyway, so you try to pretend its cool, try to make it cool to have the US be a pansy pushover doormat. Makes you look sooo enlightened mannn. Damn, all the neckbeards are giving you dap, yay! For once you actually feel important you pathetic insecure man-bitch. Preaching your little ideology doctrine from a pedestal. Not like those stupid religious hypocrite phonies, right? Flower power is the real deal bro! We just dont even understand. Its like, the Man is just racist and trying to use the corporations to take over. We just havent taken a philosophy class at college yet, so we havent had our minds expanded by the power of tolerance. Maybe if we played acoustic guitar we might have a clue. The border is just an imaginary line man, there shouldnt be any stupid process to come here. Gawd i hope people think i sound smart right now. It hides the fact that im a nobody with identity issues.

[Bandito]

Lots of them are, sure. So why dont you offer to shelter a few in your home? Cover their groceries. Pay their insurance. Hire them a tutor.


Ohh, you dont want to do all these things with YOUR money, you just feel they should be provided with other peoples money. That way you get to look like Mr Compassionate while the actual resources are coming from someone else.


You and deucewallaces bro. You dont have the natural manliness to stick up for something anyway, so you try to pretend its cool, try to make it cool to have the US be a pansy pushover doormat. Makes you look sooo enlightened mannn. Damn, all the neckbeards are giving you dap, yay! For once you actually feel important you pathetic insecure man-bitch. Preaching your little ideology doctrine from a pedestal. Not like those stupid religious hypocrite phonies, right? Flower power is the real deal bro! We just dont even understand. Its like, the Man is just racist and trying to use the corporations to take over. We just havent taken a philosophy class at college yet, so we havent had our minds expanded by the power of tolerance. Maybe if we played acoustic guitar we might have a clue. The border is just an imaginary line man, there shouldnt be any stupid process to come here. Gawd i hope people think i sound smart right now. It hides the fact that im a nobody with identity issues.
Somebody has issues.

[Kblaze8855]

Lots of them are, sure. So why dont you offer to shelter a few in your home? Cover their groceries. Pay their insurance. Hire them a tutor.

So...everything you would like the government to get done you need to go do out of your own pocket?

If I am pro battered womens shelters its somehow less valid if I dont want to turn over my properties for that use?


Ohh, you dont want to do all these things with YOUR money, you just feel they should be provided with other peoples money. That way you get to look like Mr Compassionate while the actual resources are coming from someone else.


Nobody has or will live in america without contributing to the tax base. Not in modern times at least.

Everyone pays.

I have poor American relatives who are a much greater drain on society than any number of likely illegals ive had dealings with.

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

I used to feel for illegal immigrants, but enough is enough. It's seriously long overdue to lockdown the Southern border.

[dude77]

what a fkn mess .. so just allow everyone and anyone into our schools ? .. don't need to know your age .. you don't need to be a citizen or resident .. just show up

[Akrazotile]

So...everything you would like the government to get done you need to go do out of your own pocket?

If I am pro battered womens shelters its somehow less valid if I dont want to turn over my properties for that use?




Nobody has or will live in america without contributing to the tax base. Not in modern times at least.

Everyone pays.

I have poor American relatives who are a much greater drain on society than any number of likely illegals ive had dealings with.


Our government has a budget, which is tied to our economy, and the current budget does not call for providing social resources to a limitless influx of foreign strangers. We would have to ammend our budget to do that which would require bringing more revenue into the government or going into more debt. Many do not want to see the money they earn serve as a buouy for untold millions of foreigners who come here and dont try to assimilate.

Our economy is delicate and if there is a need for a certain number of labor jobs that are best supplied by immigrants, then they are welcome to apply and the US can select those who meet the requirements and have a job ready to be filled. We dont need to hand over social benefits to every person who sneaks in under cover of night so they can drive around uninsured and put spanish speaking kids into the school system.

Why are you scared to say 'we have standards?' Why are you averse to a selective process? What makes you afraid to say 'this is our way, and our foot is down about it?' Why are you afraid of telling some people no? Do you feel like a meanie? Are you afraid of people being mad at you? Does being the rescuer fill some sort of need?

Our economy is changing and there are going to be fewer labor jobs. And libs want the social benefits to be increased AND immigration to be relaxed? Wtf do you think thats gonna do to our economy in the long run? Lush handouts and lax immigration will end up turning us into Mexico! Look at all the hispanics who were born here in AMERICA but consider themselves Mexican and advocate to have our own economy further exploited by illegal immigration? Thats bullshit. People cant separate their hearts from their heads, either that or their heads are just empty.

You wanna play hero, you wanna play robin hood, you wanna be the brave rescuer of the down trodden? Thats wonderful. I respect that. DO IT WITH YOUR OWN CASH. Otherwise youre just looking for easy credit. Man up and put that cash where your mouth is.

[SunsN07BookIt]

Well on the bright side, at least teachers can have sex with their students now without going to jail.

[iamgine]

Ah the old "oh you support the war? Why don't you enlist and go to Iraq then?" argument. Mostly used in middle and high school arguments...and ISH.

[Lebron23]

How can he enroll in a school without a birth certificate or form 137???

[Kblaze8855]

Really gotta stop pretending peoples opinions are based on what ___ would think if they said otherwise. Really...do you honestly believe I give two shits what you think...about what I think?

I judge people case by case.

I knew a girl with 5 kids....a 940 dollar section 8 voucher...like 700 bucks in food stamps....

Last I heard she was pregnant.

A person like that...is likely a greater drain on society than most illegals.

Because she was born here...am I to pretend otherwise?

Some people drain....some benefit. Poor people tend to drain...illegals tend to be poor...

Its an issue of poor people not where the poor come from to me. You can make a case for their being less poor if we didnt have so many coming from outside draining the resources....

But a lot of shit people like you talk about is just venting your anger with no realistic solution.

Talking about putting your foot down...

Your foot is down.

What has it accomplished?

The world that is...is the world you have. You being mad about it wont get the tens of millions out. You are just the other side of "libs" crying over how humanty has to change or die.

Your complaints...no matter how valid you may feel them....are irrelevant.

Things arent going to change. We will all see together how it goes.

I suspect America...will not be mexico. Just as I suspect a higher coastline over the course of decades wont destroy society.

The overly dramatic claims just hurt your cause like global warming alarmists.

Over half of all americans under 18 will be non white by 2018.

With the baby boomers dying over the next 20 years....and the hispanic birth rates compared to whites?

All your side hating so heavily on immigrants is gonna do is force you out of power to an even greater degree.

Digging your policies a deeper grave with every passing day.

[SunsN07BookIt]

How can he enroll in a school without a birth certificate or form 137???

The Obama administration has instructed every school district not to deny enrollment based on age verification/birth certificate, permanent school records transfer, immigration status, proof of vaccination, and proof of residency. Many school districts, especially the better ones, deny children, American and otherwise, enrollment based on proof of residency, but Obama has threatened to withdraw federal funding if they get enough complaints.

[SunsN07BookIt]

All your side hating so heavily on immigrants is gonna do is force you out of power to an even greater degree.



No one is hating on immigrants, illegal or otherwise. It's is illegal to be here, sin legal residency documentation. Don't like the law? Change it. Until then we expect the government to enforce the law.

[Akrazotile]

Really gotta stop pretending peoples opinions are based on what ___ would think if they said otherwise. Really...do you honestly believe I give two shits what you think...about what I think?

I judge people case by case.

I knew a girl with 5 kids....a 940 dollar section 8 voucher...like 700 bucks in food stamps....

Last I heard she was pregnant.

A person like that...is likely a greater drain on society than most illegals.

Because she was born here...am I to pretend otherwise?

Some people drain....some benefit. Poor people tend to drain...illegals tend to be poor...

Its an issue of poor people not where the poor come from to me. You can make a case for their being less poor if we didnt have so many coming from outside draining the resources....

But a lot of shit people like you talk about is just venting your anger with no realistic solution.

Talking about putting your foot down...

Your foot is down.

What has it accomplished?

The world that is...is the world you have. You being mad about it wont get the tens of millions out. You are just the other side of "libs" crying over how humanty has to change or die.

Your complaints...no matter how valid you may feel them....are irrelevant.

Things arent going to change. We will all see together how it goes.

I suspect America...will not be mexico. Just as I suspect a higher coastline over the course of decades wont destroy society.

The overly dramatic claims just hurt your cause like global warming alarmists.

Over half of all americans under 18 will be non white by 2018.

With the baby boomers dying over the next 20 years....and the hispanic birth rates compared to whites?

All your side hating so heavily on immigrants is gonna do is force you out of power to an even greater degree.

Digging your policies a deeper grave with every passing day.


Wtf are you talking about dude??? A pregnant mama milking the system has what to do with illegal immigration? Your argument is basically "two wrongs make a right." Youre literally arguing that bc some americans abuse the system, we should invite non-americans to do it as well. :wtf:


What do you mean I'm offering no solutions? Put up a fence and stop providing illegals with driver licenses, social assitance, use of the education system. Make those who wish to come over and work blue collar jobs go through the same process as those who come for white collar jobs. Take away the incentive for people to just sneak in.

You just dont want to HEAR the solutions bc you evidently care more about being Dr. Feelgood than about practical things like economic stability, gang activity, and American culture. You think youre being benevolent but youre actually being very selfish. YOU dont put up resources for illegals in proportion to how strongly you advocate for it. You want to sit and call the shots and make other Americans build the guest houses, at the expense of the American economy no less. Oooh, how special you are. The cool parent who lets the kids have candy for dinner and stay up as late as they want! No "i hate you's!" for you, no sir. Live in the now if it feels good, if it makes others feel good, just go with it! The gravy train will just keep rollin forever! Consequences shmonsequences! This is about NOT HURTING FEELINGS YO. (Simpsons comicbook guy voice) Most important. thing. ever.

Youre advocating a reckless approach bc either you just dont care about the country you live in very much, or youre too concerned with how your positions make you look, or both. Whats popular is always right, huh? Those shrewd, disciplined, analytical masses.

[Kblaze8855]

No one is hating on immigrants, illegal or otherwise. It's is illegal to be here, sin legal residency documentation. Don't like the law? Change it. Until then we expect the government to enforce the law.

Laws are enforced where practical. There are unenforced or loosely enforced laws all over America from the federal level on down. There are too many illegals....millions too many...to fully enforce the laws.

At that point...you make the best of a less than ideal situation.

And we will argue over what making the best is....but anyone being honest about the situation should be able to admit...enforcing the letter of the law is a lost cause at this point.

You would spend more attempting to get rid of them than their presence costs.

Imagine for a moment the funding it would take to find and remove 10-20 million people and keep them out when huge sections of your own country would be against you?

Hell forget the country...

Give me a practical plan to rid California of illegals.

There are more Hispanic people in California than there are PEOPLE in all but 3 other states. How many of them can you see being against the government rounding up 1-2 million of their friends and family to be deported? Not all of them would....but enough that you would risk protests the likes of which the country has not seen since the civil rights movement. The department you tasked with policing it would have to be monstrous and have tremendous power...you would have the world watching children separated from loved ones crying with automatic weapons drawn.

It would be the greatest international PR disaster in American history to even attempt.

You could literally....NEVER enforce the law.

The idea is ludicrous to begin with in a country our size with the economic advantages we have while this close to poor countries.

All of which disregards that tens of millions of perfectly legal Americans would be against you.

Its a lost cause.

Once you accept that fact...that expecting the government to actually enforce the law....is a dream....

You have to decide how much of the law is practical to enforce.

Which is where we are now.

Honestly expecting the government to enforce a law that would require the physical removal of millions while tens of millions resisted is just ignoring the reality of the situation.

[KNOW1EDGE]

So Obama is helping criminals committ their crimes.

If I did that, I would go to jail.

What gives?

[Nanners]

Honestly expecting the government to enforce a law that would require the physical removal of millions while tens of millions resisted is just ignoring the reality of the situation.

keep in mind that the manchild you are currently arguing with is not exactly in touch with reality

[Kblaze8855]

Wtf are you talking about dude??? A pregnant mama milking the system has what to do with illegal immigration? Your argument is basically "two wrongs make a right." Youre literally arguing that bc some americans abuse the system, we should invite non-americans to do it as well. :wtf:


What do you mean I'm offering no solutions? Put up a fence and stop providing illegals with driver licenses, social assitance, use of the education system. Make those who wish to come over and work blue collar jobs go through the same process as those who come for white collar jobs. Take away the incentive for people to just sneak in.

You just dont want to HEAR the solutions bc you evidently care more about being Dr. Feelgood than about practical things like economic stability, gang activity, and American culture. You think youre being benevolent but youre actually being very selfish. YOU dont put up resources for illegals in proportion to how strongly you advocate for it. You want to sit and call the shots and make other Americans build the guest houses, at the expense of the American economy no less. Oooh, how special you are. The cool parent who lets the kids have candy for dinner and stay up as late as they want! No "i hate you's!" for you, no sir. Live in the now if it feels good, if it makes others feel good, just go with it! The gravy train will just keep rollin forever! Consequences shmonsequences! This is about NOT HURTING FEELINGS YO. (Simpsons comicbook guy voice) Most important. thing. ever.

Youre advocating a reckless approach bc either you just dont care about the country you live in very much, or youre too concerned with how your positions make you look, or both. Whats popular is always right, huh? Those shrewd, disciplined, analytical masses.

All of that comes down to the bolded so ill respond to that....


Whats popular isnt always right.

In a democracy with demographics to consider.....

Whats popular is realistic in the longterm.

What you want...is NOT going to happen.

If you have a speck of common sense you know it.

So why arent you advocating for a realistic solution?

You know...one that wont be out on its ass when the president is a second generation Mexican American in 2052 and the old white people who vote now are dead and replaced by the cynical generation we have working our way into old age.

This country is changing. What you think about that matters....you get a say just like I do. Thats great.

But you wont hear prominent politicians saying it as time goes on...because they would be hanging themselves.

Its that simple. Be as outraged as you like....but the country isnt going to do it your way.

Knowing that...perhaps you amend it to something feasible...like a person actually hoping to get things done would.

[SunsN07BookIt]

Laws are enforced where practical. There are unenforced or loosely enforced laws all over America from the federal level on down. There are too many illegals....millions too many...to fully enforce the laws.

At that point...you make the best of a less than ideal situation.

And we will argue over what making the best is....but anyone being honest about the situation should be able to admit...enforcing the letter of the law is a lost cause at this point.

You would spend more attempting to get rid of them than their presence costs.

Imagine for a moment the funding it would take to find and remove 10-20 million people and keep them out when huge sections of your own country would be against you?

Hell forget the country...

Give me a practical plan to rid California of illegals.

There are more Hispanic people in California than there are PEOPLE in all but 3 other states. How many of them can you see being against the government rounding up 1-2 million of their friends and family to be deported? Not all of them would....but enough that you would risk protests the likes of which the country has not seen since the civil rights movement. The department you tasked with policing it would have to be monstrous and have tremendous power...you would have the world watching children separated from loved ones crying with automatic weapons drawn.

It would be the greatest international PR disaster in American history to even attempt.

You could literally....NEVER enforce the law.

The idea is ludicrous to begin with in a country our size with the economic advantages we have while this close to poor countries.

All of which disregards that tens of millions of perfectly legal Americans would be against you.

Its a lost cause.

Once you accept that fact...that expecting the government to actually enforce the law....is a dream....

You have to decide how much of the law is practical to enforce.

Which is where we are now.

Honestly expecting the government to enforce a law that would require the physical removal of millions while tens of millions resisted is just ignoring the reality of the situation.


Nowhere in your post do you address the fact that while it may be impractical to deport every illegal immigrant, we should expect our government at the very least not to encourage people to break the law. Encouraging people to break the law with incentives ranging from free education to providing free airfare for illegals to meet up with the rest of their illegal family further up in the US is what's not practical.

[dude77]

Nowhere in your post do you address the fact that while it may be impractical to deport every illegal immigrant, we should expect our government at the very least not to encourage people to break the law. Encouraging people to break the law with incentives ranging from free education to providing free airfare for illegals to meet up with the rest of their illegal family further up in the US is what's not practical.


why you racist ?

[Kblaze8855]

Not enforcing the law is itself encouraging it to be broken. As usual its just a matter of degree.

Once you accept the obvious...that enfocment is impossible...a much more reasonable discussion is there to be had.

You have to balance quickly changing demographics, public/international perception, and feasibility.

Much of what is ignored in these arguments....which is why so few realistic notions are put forth.

[Norcaliblunt]

The fact people want to come to this country should be something to be proud off and a national pride. This is a major trump card in global politics, while other nations such as China and some European countries are expierencing negative growth. We just got to cut the BS and assimilate them as fast as possible.

[dude77]

there are some motives that we're not being told about .. this is all just pussyfooting .. if the U.S. government wanted to .. they could start shipping these influxes of people out of here .. just put your fkn foot down and start sending people back who try to come in .. just .. send them the fk back .. deny them entry .. enforce the law ..

.. don't like it ? feel hurt ? who cares .. it's the fkn law .. instead they're nurturing the whole thing .. encouraging it .. we're not being told the whole story

[dude77]

The fact people want to come to this country should be something to be proud off and a national pride. This a major trump in global politics, while other nations such as China and some European countries are expierencing negative growth. We just got to cut the BS and assimilate them as fast as possible.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xLX2XsXanHQ/Un94j8OYGLI/AAAAAAAAO9Q/m9Rxnr46jFI/s1600/Laurence-Fishburne.gif

[Akrazotile]

kblaze - you're using a false dichotomy. trying to create the illusion that the only two possibilities are to attempt to round up all current illegals, or just ignore the situation entirely. action against current illegals has hardly even been suggested here. the discussion is about preventing future immigration. as i already stated, and you ignored, you do that by taking away incentive. not providing them with virtually all the same rights and benefits as american citizens. and i sense you, as most people on the left of this argument, are seeing this as an ethnic minority issue. you mentioned demographics and second generation mexican presidents. what does that have to do with anything? the issue is labor balance, safety, documentation. i sense you turning this into a "poor little brown mexicans, let them have a share of the white pie, if you don't you're just a big meanie racist jerk..." BS race card strawman. Such a wimpy attitude. This is about two separate COUNTRIES, one with its own citizens and the other with its. I mean this is so simple its ridiculous. The issue is should we let masses of unidentified strangers flood into the country with no accountability? Hmm. I mean the answer is so common sensical you have to literally go OUT OF YOUR WAY to be a ***** about this. You have to go out of your way to be a pus here. People need to grow a pair. Stop framing this as a racist issue, thats cowardly and pathetic and signals bleeding heart/inactive brain syndrome. ILLEGAL immigration is not the answer. Why do you think they had Ellis Island set up during the waves of immigration from Europe? You think the Irish could just show up on their own boats, skip the line, and be handed driver licenses, education vouchers, housing assistance, and a government liason on every corner to translate english instruction into their gaelic dialect so they didnt have to learn english?

Whats the deal here? Do you feel GUILTY as a minority to say "sorry, we can't have an unchecked assload of mexicans showin up"?? Is that what it is? Or do you think just because someone takes a job that it means they aren't taking advantage of anything?

Everything you are arguing is a false set up. The argument isn't about immigration, but rather illegal immigration; the argument isn't about people not being white, the argument isn't about making a sweet mexican grandmother without a SS card into a villain, and the argument isn't about immigrants' willingness to work. No matter how hard you try to keep reverting it to those strawmen, THATS NOT THE ARGUMENT. The argument is should we allow millions of people with no documentation to verify who the fukc they are, and with generally very limited economic skillsets and ability to speak english, to flood into america and require the government to put up for more police officers, more teachers, more spanish interpreters, even as our economy is shifting away from the careers that provide opportunities for all these people to find jobs to support themselves with? There is but ONE sensible answer, and one only. If you refuse to see it, you are purposely distorting the reality of the world around you. Ask yourself... WHY are you doing that?



With that said, I'm not gonna comment anymore on this topic right now bc it ends up being too time consuming. I have made the point clearly and objectively anyhow, and the people who don't want to see it will continue not to, so there's not much more I can do.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Ethered

[Norcaliblunt]

Lol at this idea that you can just kick'um out, or build a wall, while completely ignoring the socio-economic conditions in Latin America which brings them here. Haha!!!! If there's a will there's a way. We might as well take advantage, assimilate them, get them working for legal wages so they are not driving wages down, and paying taxes.

[KNOW1EDGE]

"They are here so we may as well assist them in committing their crimes" -tf kind of logic is that?

People acting like this issue isn't easily fixable. Lol

Don't help criminals committ their crimes. Period. Point blank. Regardless of race, gender, nationality etc etc, don't help criminals committ crimes.

It's pretty simple.

[SunsN07BookIt]

Lol at this idea that you can just kick'um out, or build a wall, while completely ignoring the socio-economic conditions in Latin America which brings them here. Haha!!!! If there's a will there's a way. We might as well take advantage, assimilate them, get them working for legal wages so they are not driving wages down, and paying taxes.


This thread is about the Obama administration forcing schools to accept adult illegal aliens. Do you agree with that or not?

Eres Chicano?

[Kblaze8855]

As I said...your type gets emotional and disregard the reality of the situation.

As ive said...when it comes down to it...your position is irrelevant in the real world because all your solutions disregard what politicians are willing to do in the face of changing demographics.

You can say race isnt the issue 30 more times.

The government...individual politicians afraid to alienate people being the issue...will NOT do as you suggest.

Knowing that(If you have a brain and a grasp on the real world) saying it over and over instead of coming up with realistic proposals just shows you are less serious than angry.

Which is why you...like many climate change alarmists...do nothing to help your cause.

Your argument passed the more harm than good point long ago.

Which is why the people with the ability to bring about real change...will never make it.

Its just you being angry on the internet. Which is fine...

But serves no real purpose.

You can make these arguments while nothing you suggest gets done for the next 30 years.

Your time to waste.

Just feels like someone serious could accept that some things he wants arent politically feasible and find a middle ground that may be.

But I dont think you are serious.

I think you are upset. and its clouding your judgment. But im a child for acknowledging that major changes take political currency and people who will risk losing power to force change.

Im talking real world facts.

You acting like a good point matters when its impossible to get it signed into law without congressmen who are willing to ignore the obvious river of change about to wash over all of them.

[Akrazotile]

As I said...your type gets emotional and disregard the reality of the situation.

As ive said...when it comes down to it...your position is irrelevant in the real world because all your solutions disregard what politicians are willing to do in the face of changing demographics.

You can say race isnt the issue 30 more times.

The government...individual politicians afraid to alienate people being the issue...will NOT do as you suggest.

Knowing that(If you have a brain and a grasp on the real world) saying it over and over instead of coming up with realistic proposals just shows you are less serious than angry.

Which is why you...like many climate change alarmists...do nothing to help your cause.

Your argument passed the more harm than good point long ago.

Which is why the people with the ability to bring about real change...will never make it.

Its just you being angry on the internet. Which is fine...

But serves no real purpose.

You can make these arguments while nothing you suggest gets done for the next 30 years.

Your time to waste.

Just feels like someone serious could accept that some things he wants arent politically feasible and find a middle ground that may be.

But I dont think you are serious.

I think you are upset. and its clouding your judgment. But im a child for acknowledging that major changes take political currency and people who will risk losing power to force change.

Im talking real world facts.

You acting like a good point matters when its impossible to get it signed into law without congressmen who are willing to ignore the obvious river of change about to wash over all of them.


Actually if all the legal American citizens smartened up and got on the same page, it would absolutely affect policy making. Are you crazy??

The problem is we have to spend time imploring people like YOU to wise up and support the sensible side of this, and you still won't even do it. The REASON that important policy change is so futile isn't because of people like me, it's because of people like you.

It's like blocking the door of a burning building and asking everyone why they're in such a tizzy to get out of it? It's not like they're going anywhere anyway, right? :oldlol: Yeah, because YOU are blocking the door!

GTFO of the way kblaze!

[Norcaliblunt]

I find it ironic how conservatives want to use "Big Government" to secure our borders and enforce immigration laws but nothing else. LOL!!!!!!!!!

Yeah let's let financial terrorist on Wall Street destroy our economy without any regulations and call it liberty, but people traveling across the world from poverty stricken conditions to try to secure a pittance of economic rights are criminal scum. Haha.

Do I agree with the Obama administration? **** no!!!!! I say amesty them all, naturalize them, get them working on legal wages spending back into the economy, and paying taxes.

ONCE AGAIN IT IS A NATIONAL BLESSING THAT PEOPLE STILL WANT TO COME HERE AND WORK, while other competing nations are expierencing stagnent or negative growth.

[KevinNYC]

[QUOTE=SunsN07BookIt][i]"One of the things that we did notice when we were processing some of these students coming in was that they were adults,

[Akrazotile]

Pics or........


http://www.bigfollow.com/pictures/10120-MEXICANS-Im_in__your_country_stealin_ur_yobz.jpg

[Kblaze8855]

You talk about what would happen in a world that doesn't and will never exist then ask if I'm crazy......

Work within the confines of the real world or your suggestions are useless.

Bend or don't bother.

Rigidity just keeps things the same because it ends in stalemate.

[Akrazotile]

You talk about what would happen in a world that doesn't and will never exist then ask if I'm crazy......

Work within the confines of the real world or your suggestions are useless.

Bend or don't bother.

Rigidity just keeps things the same because it ends in stalemate.


Ok. Youve chosen the popular decision over the right one. Youre siding with the heart and its warm sugarcoated fantasies rather than the brain and its practical and unaccommodating reality.

Not much more to say.

[NumberSix]

Here's a simple solution.... No citizenship, no rights.

Make it illegal to sell property to anyone without citizenship. Make it illegal to rent to anyone without citizenship. Make it illegal to hire people without citizenship.

No license, no school, no place to live, no medical care, no credit, no jobs, no car. If caught selling to or hiring illegals.... $100,000 fine.

Who would want to illegally immigrate to such a place? The problem is some people have an interest in making it really easy for people to live illegally with minimal hassle. Case in point, Obama pressuring schools to accommodate illegals.

[KNOW1EDGE]

You talk about what would happen in a world that doesn't and will never exist then ask if I'm crazy......

Work within the confines of the real world or your suggestions are useless.

Bend or don't bother.

Rigidity just keeps things the same because it ends in stalemate.

Dude, just because you don't want illegal aliens gone, and you don't think it is possible, doesn't make it true.

It's most certainly possible and anyone who would argue that is trolling.

It is highly unlikely because America has found ways to assist these criminals and make money off of them.

But your being pretty hard headed and not objective in your approach.

It's possible. Our next president could potentially not be a retard, and he/she could pass a law to evict all illegal aliens and stop helping them. Why is that SO hard for you to wrap your head around?

It's unlikely that the USA will ever do anything smart regarding illegal immigration, and it's due to people like you and your pu$$y attitude

[Nanners]

I find it ironic how conservatives want to use "Big Government" to secure our borders and enforce immigration laws but nothing else. LOL!!!!!!!!!

Yeah let's let financial terrorist on Wall Street destroy our economy without any regulations and call it liberty, but people traveling across the world from poverty stricken conditions to try to secure a pittance of economic rights are criminal scum. Haha.

Do I agree with the Obama administration? **** no!!!!! I say amesty them all, naturalize them, get them working on legal wages spending back into the economy, and paying taxes.

ONCE AGAIN IT IS A NATIONAL BLESSING THAT PEOPLE STILL WANT TO COME HERE AND WORK, while other competing nations are expierencing stagnent or negative growth.

You want to see a conservatives head explode, remind them that Ronald Jesus Christ Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million illegals in the 80s :oldlol:

[KNOW1EDGE]

Who would want to illegally immigrate to such a place? The problem is some people have an interest in making it really easy for people to live illegally with minimal hassle.

Exactly. The government, business owners and others have found ways to take advantage and make money from illegal immigration. So why would they push to stop it? They wouldnt.

But, if we had competent leaders this problem could be easily solved. You gave a few great ideas, other posters shared some as well.

But it's people like kblaze who ruin it for the rest of us

[NumberSix]

ONCE AGAIN IT IS A NATIONAL BLESSING THAT PEOPLE STILL WANT TO COME HERE AND WORK, while other competing nations are expierencing stagnent or negative growth.
Does the USA not have enough people?

[Kblaze8855]

Stay in your fantasy world. Love it our hate it.....nothing you are taking about is gonna happen. And you won't even get to the middle ground because you won't bend.

No politician with real power is risking setting his party back with this shit.

Hate it and watch me be right for the rest of your life as you build up more anger that results in no change.

[NumberSix]

Stay in your fantasy world. Love it our hate it.....nothing you are taking about is gonna happen. And you won't even get to the middle ground because you won't bend.

No politician with real power is risking setting his party back with this shit.

Hate it and watch me be right for the rest of your life as you build up more anger that results in no change.
I have no doubt that nothing will be done. The point is that something very easily could be done.

[senelcoolidge]

I really hate to bash the President, but why would you give amnesty to millions of illegals. I know it's all about politics, but this should be illegal and grounds for removal. It seems like commonsense that you would 1) protect your borders, you don't just let anyone in 2) you want people to come into your country that will work, be productive, and assimilate to your society 3) you want smart people or people with certain skills to come into your country. You don't want more poor people that will drown the system. These politicians should be held and put on trail..it's really disgusting what they are doing to this country.

[Kblaze8855]

Nothing can easily be done about millions of people you cant quickly identify who will be protected by tens of millions who would resist you. Theres a dude up there talking about if our next president isnt a retard he could just pass a law to evict all illegals...asking why its "SO" hard to understand.

Its so wildly unrealistic its hard to believe it springs from the mind of an adult.

You couldnt rid this country of anything even 100,000 people didnt want gone if it could be hidden in a house. Policing the people against you would be too tall an order. But we are just gonna get rid of 20 million illegals because a non retard president says so.....

Criminals dont turn themselves in. You go capture them. You think its easy to capture millions of people when they would be assisted by an additional 20-30 million you are dreaming.

People evade the law for decades in America with law enforcment having them on top 10 most wanted list.

But we are gonna capture and deport millions because a congress(that wont) says we should.....


Come back to this planet...then have a real discussion.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Dude are you f*cking serious right now?

It's impossible for the United States of America to reduce the number of illegal immigrants in our country?

It is impossible to STOP passing laws that assists these criminals in committing their crimes?

Seriously? Are you an illegal alien or something? Retarded? 16 years old? Give me something to work with here dude this sh1t just doesn't add up. No one is genuinely this ignorant and arrogant

I cant anymore...

[iamgine]

If only illegal immigrants are really treated as criminals as long as their status is illegal, maybe it would deter future would be illegal aliens to cross the border. Imagine their life, constantly in fear of deportation, earning very little with no law to protect them if people take advantage of them, no hope of ever becoming anything because of their criminal status.

[Norcaliblunt]

Since all you right leaning mofos are concerned with cutting spending, debt, and the elimination of big government programs, how do you suppose the U.S. implements this mass border security, and deportation measure. I mean it's gonna cost lots of money and take a centralized authority to do it. Isn't this a contradiction to your ideology? Shit the suggestion we lock up anybody doing business with illegals would cost more money and tax dollars than the drain on the system from the immigrants themselves. That isn't liberty!!!!! You fools are straight up ****ing hypocrites!

[Nanners]

the funniest thing about these conservatives claiming that obama is too soft on immigration is that he is deporting illegals at a higher rate than george w bush ever did.

[ILLsmak]

Here's a simple solution.... No citizenship, no rights.

Make it illegal to sell property to anyone without citizenship. Make it illegal to rent to anyone without citizenship. Make it illegal to hire people without citizenship.

No license, no school, no place to live, no medical care, no credit, no jobs, no car. If caught selling to or hiring illegals.... $100,000 fine.

Who would want to illegally immigrate to such a place? The problem is some people have an interest in making it really easy for people to live illegally with minimal hassle. Case in point, Obama pressuring schools to accommodate illegals.

end up with a lot of criminals... I think there is no issue except the 35 year old part haha. That's kind of ****ed up.

I've been down by the border. It's funny that they ship dudes back. It's like a video game, if you get in, you are good2go.

They are exploited, too. It is best to make them citizens. Maybe make it so they can't get government aid until they have lived in the US for a certain number of years.

-Smak

[Brokenbeat]

what a fkn mess .. so just allow everyone and anyone into our schools ? .. don't need to know your age .. you don't need to be a citizen or resident .. just show up

Your post looks like pacman shit. Apparently you didn't show up to class often enough. :facepalm

[Kblaze8855]

Dude are you f*cking serious right now?

It's impossible for the United States of America to reduce the number of illegal immigrants in our country?

It is impossible to STOP passing laws that assists these criminals in committing their crimes?

Seriously? Are you an illegal alien or something? Retarded? 16 years old? Give me something to work with here dude this sh1t just doesn't add up. No one is genuinely this ignorant and arrogant

I cant anymore...

It is quite impossible to meaningfully reduce the numbers of 15+ million people within the confines of what America is willing to be seen as. They go around kicking in doors with guns drawn and stuff millions of hispanics onto trains like nazi germany you could make a major impact.

In the world we live in...where public relations matter...where rough tactics get put on youtube by camera phones....in a world where you would have to have hundreds of politicians risk their jobs with this talk?

You are talking about a fantasy world....im talking about the real one...and you convince yourself im the one being childish. Children act like the world should or will be what they want. Adults see what it is and work within those confines.

Harry Reid gets like 94% of the Hispanic vote when his opponent runs anti illegals ads....that demographic is why hes still in the senate.

Go look at the rate Hispanics vote against people talking the way you people are...

Go look at how many are about to hit voting age....

Go look where senate races are expected to be tight....

Go read the reports of the people the GOP has sent into hispanic communities now trying to turn this around.

A recent poll showed 64% of registered hispanic voters feel Republicans care less about them than Democrats.

91% of republican voters are white.

Only 56% of democrat voters are white.

And guess what? America will no longer be white by majority in a few years.

Nobody is going to get on the wrong side of the wave of the future by going to the extreme lengths you would need to enforce any serious law designed to remove the illegals already here.

Best case...BEST....you could tweak it to make it harder for new ones to settle.

The party that even attempts to push for anything likely to remove millions already here is ensuring its own destruction.

I told people on ISH this shit 10+ years ago when they were talking about how soon America wouldnt take it anymore and blah blah blah. And here we are with a new batch acting like the world is what they want it to be and not what it is. I was right then and im gonna be right again.

America isnt the country you seem to think. It sure as hell isnt the country you want it to be.

That is why its impossible to significantly reduce the number of illegals.

Laws are created and passed by people who have to be voted in.

They do what you want....they will not stay in power.

It is politically impossible to go to the extremes you advocate....unless all those responsible are prepared to leave office or be vilified for all time after they narrowly maintain their seats in a few especially red states.

Its not impossible because it cant be done...

Its impossible because it cant be done in a world where politicians have to risk their jobs to do it.

Its impossible because of human nature.

It will....not...happen.

[Akrazotile]

More poor minorities in America = more Democratic voters. More dem voters, more govt authority. Even Republican politicians dont really care bout this. Theyre happy to have more power too.

Its nothing but politics. Politicians dont care about America. They wanna get theirs now. Illegals dont care about America. They wanna get theirs now.

Solution? Team up to manipulate the heartstrings of overgrown weenies like deucewallaces who still havent outgrown their childhood insecurities and dont feel comfortable acting like men, prey on their desire to be seen as some kind of intellectually advanced contrarian robin hood figure of importance, and get them to support the consumption of Americas future by politicians and foreigners.


Its politics.



All so true

[KyrieTheFuture]

It's so odd to me that some conservatives hate illegals because cheap illegal labor is a god damn gold mine for these dick head's economic ideas

[NumberSix]

It's so odd to me that some conservatives hate illegals because cheap illegal labor is a god damn gold mine for these dick head's economic ideas
How? :confusedshrug:

[KyrieTheFuture]

How? :confusedshrug:
Obviously I'm speaking in generalizations and using your parties worst members as my targets but hey its politics that's just how it works now. Not believing in a minimum wage is conservative economics and illegal labor is an excellent way to circumvent the minimum wage. Let's be real, politicians who are anti immigrant labor say so because it takes money out of their voters pockets, but they don't actually give a ****. Just like democrats aren't trying to save these people out of the goodness of their heart. They want a guaranteed 4 million extra voters. Shit is extremely transparent.

[Akrazotile]

Obviously I'm speaking in generalizations and using your parties worst members as my targets but hey its politics that's just how it works now. Not believing in a minimum wage is conservative economics and illegal labor is an excellent way to circumvent the minimum wage. Let's be real, politicians who are anti immigrant labor say so because it takes money out of their voters pockets, but they don't actually give a ****. Just like democrats aren't trying to save these people out of the goodness of their heart. They want a guaranteed 4 million extra voters. Shit is extremely transparent.


Large numbers of illegals cost a shit ton to society. They have epic amounts of kids who all get put into American schools, they use American infrastructure, they get into car accidents without insurance, you have to add more police and fire and ambulance protection to watch their communities, all sorts of extra cost.

If EVERYONE were on the same page about this it would pressure politicians to do something. But Dems can resist it bc their idiot bleeding heart vag1nal fakkit base is so easily manipulated emotionally that they cry and whine about it. Why should other immigrants be monitored through a work visa but not them? Again, create a minimum wage exception for unskilled workers who go through the process of signing up and being documented. Theyll make the same wage they already are but theyll be verifiable in the system and less likely to commit crimes or get involved in illegal activity. And they can be told to use BIRTH CONTROL. Anyone who isnt here working the job they signed up to come for gets BOOTED.


But the prob is people like you will find something to cry about. Bc you need to rescue someone. You cant just accept the reality than any economic system on earth will end up with inequality in practice. Everything is t always fair. You have to be the hero and go tell everyone that you get to decide who earns what and who deserves what and who doesnt. And you get to play mommy and everyone will think youre so cool and progressive and benificent. Its all about you being Robin Hood.

Damn pansy.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Large numbers of illegals cost a shit ton to society. They have epic amounts of kids who all get put into American schools, they use American infrastructure, they get into car accidents without insurance, you have to add more police and fire and ambulance protection to watch their communities, all sorts of extra cost.

If EVERYONE were on the same page about this it would pressure politicians to do something. But Dems can resist it bc their idiot bleeding heart vag1nal fakkit base is so easily manipulated emotionally that they cry and whine about it. Why should other immigrants be monitored through a work visa but not them? Again, create a minimum wage exception for unskilled workers who go through the process of signing up and being documented. Theyll make the same wage they already are but theyll be verifiable in the system and less likely to commit crimes or get involved in illegal activity. And they can be told to use BIRTH CONTROL. Anyone who isnt here working the job they signed up to come for gets BOOTED.


But the prob is people like you will find something to cry about. Bc you need to rescue someone. You cant just accept the reality than any economic system on earth will end up with inequality in practice. Everything is t always fair. You have to be the hero and go tell everyone that you get to decide who earns what and who deserves what and who doesnt. And you get to play mommy and everyone will think youre so cool and progressive and benificent. Its all about you being Robin Hood.

Damn pansy.
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[russwest0]

More poor minorities in America = more Democratic voters. More dem voters, more govt authority. Even Republican politicians dont really care bout this. Theyre happy to have more power too.

Its nothing but politics. Politicians dont care about America. They wanna get theirs now. Illegals dont care about America. They wanna get theirs now.

Solution? Team up to manipulate the heartstrings of overgrown weenies like deucewallaces who still havent outgrown their childhood insecurities and dont feel comfortable acting like men, prey on their desire to be seen as some kind of intellectually advanced contrarian robin hood figure of importance, and get them to support the consumption of Americas future by politicians and foreigners.


Its politics.

Yup.

[RidonKs]

Children act like the world should or will be what they want. Adults see what it is and work within those confines.
:applause:

[tomtucker]

Lots of them are, sure. So why dont you offer to shelter a few in your home? Cover their groceries. Pay their insurance. Hire them a tutor.


Ohh, you dont want to do all these things with YOUR money, you just feel they should be provided with other peoples money. That way you get to look like Mr Compassionate while the actual resources are coming from someone else.


You and deucewallaces bro. You dont have the natural manliness to stick up for something anyway, so you try to pretend its cool, try to make it cool to have the US be a pansy pushover doormat. Makes you look sooo enlightened mannn. Damn, all the neckbeards are giving you dap, yay! For once you actually feel important you pathetic insecure man-bitch. Preaching your little ideology doctrine from a pedestal. Not like those stupid religious hypocrite phonies, right? Flower power is the real deal bro! We just dont even understand. Its like, the Man is just racist and trying to use the corporations to take over. We just havent taken a philosophy class at college yet, so we havent had our minds expanded by the power of tolerance. Maybe if we played acoustic guitar we might have a clue. The border is just an imaginary line man, there shouldnt be any stupid process to come here. Gawd i hope people think i sound smart right now. It hides the fact that im a nobody with identity issues.
:rockon: :applause:

[ILLsmak]

Ah the old "oh you support the war? Why don't you enlist and go to Iraq then?" argument. Mostly used in middle and high school arguments...and ISH.

It has some merit. "I support the war, as long as someone else is fighting!" ok...

As for illegals... haha. I dunno if we can stop it now. If I could choose between saying stay home or come here, I'd say stay home, even if they are good folk. There are too many people in America as it is, unless they wanna move to barren places and they don't.

I don't think people should have to shelter them, but I do think they could put up some money. There could be optional "taxes" or cause donations. People say a lot of shit without doing anything, though, is the point. Because it 'seems right.'

Unfortunately, this is not a seems right world. There is shit out there with no right answer... like... aborted baby vs life of suffering person. I guess you gotta have faith.

It's always been a good option to jump to America as an immigrant, but before people had to do a lot of shit. These people probably want to do work, so I imagine there is a place for them. That being said, isn't our work force OK as it is? It seems like we are over-employed. Go into walmart with all of those people just sitting around.

-Smak

[iTare]

Lots of them are, sure. So why dont you offer to shelter a few in your home? Cover their groceries. Pay their insurance. Hire them a tutor.


Ohh, you dont want to do all these things with YOUR money, you just feel they should be provided with other peoples money. That way you get to look like Mr Compassionate while the actual resources are coming from someone else.


You and deucewallaces bro. You dont have the natural manliness to stick up for something anyway, so you try to pretend its cool, try to make it cool to have the US be a pansy pushover doormat. Makes you look sooo enlightened mannn. Damn, all the neckbeards are giving you dap, yay! For once you actually feel important you pathetic insecure man-bitch. Preaching your little ideology doctrine from a pedestal. Not like those stupid religious hypocrite phonies, right? Flower power is the real deal bro! We just dont even understand. Its like, the Man is just racist and trying to use the corporations to take over. We just havent taken a philosophy class at college yet, so we havent had our minds expanded by the power of tolerance. Maybe if we played acoustic guitar we might have a clue. The border is just an imaginary line man, there shouldnt be any stupid process to come here. Gawd i hope people think i sound smart right now. It hides the fact that im a nobody with identity issues.
Just saw this reponse to something I dont even remember typing

[CavaliersFTW]

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What!? Aliens in our schools now!? :mad:

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[NumberSix]

It has some merit. "I support the war, as long as someone else is fighting!" ok...
Just like "I support giant taxes, as long as it's taxing someone else's money".

[SunsN07BookIt]

It's so odd to me that some conservatives hate illegals because cheap illegal labor is a god damn gold mine for these dick head's economic ideas

Haha, that's just the way things work out sometimes. People don't always vote or support policy in their best self interest. Poor conservatives regularly vote themselves out of entitlements and liberals support abortion which keeps their voting base numbers in check and was originally pushed on a national scale to keep negro numbers from getting out of control. Hmmm but maybe that's why they support illegal immigration, to make up for the losses from abortion.....

[andgar923]

alot of this is based on racism and bigotry.

if it was EUropean immigrants the talk would be different. These so called 'illegal' immigrants are no different than any of us, what changes is their citizenship status.

If people actually gave a f*ck theyd support the reasonable and logical solution and change immigration laws granting easier citizenship, thus removing the 'illegal' label.

untold truth is, both political parties benefit tremendously from illegal immigration and both use them as pawns in their political game.

but most Americans hide their bigotry and support ideas that only make matters worse for all.

[iamgine]

Are people getting worried yet about if America is getting more and more lax about illegals law? Then there will be a lot more outsiders coming in and becoming citizens...before you know it they will be the majority decision maker and make laws that will make it even more lax to come to the US. First Hispanic president is coming soon. :lol

[andgar923]

I remember a number of years ago CA was introducing a bill that will give illegal aliens aka undocumented residents the ability to obtain drivers insurance.

but the bill was shut down.

A perfect example of bigotry blinding people's judgement.


Providing them with insurance and drivers license benefits all. They can be held responsible and we have them on file and documented. If they cause an accident then they can be held responsible.

i asked a coworker that was always ranting against immigrants why she was so opposed to them, and she said they cost us money. I then showed her stats that actually show the opposite so things even out. But she simply wouldnt accept it because in her eyes they were criminals. I told her the simple solution would be to make citizenship easier, thus making them legal citizens, but her bigotry rejected that idea as well.... just because.

Again, people letting their bigotry shine.

"b..bu..but... they're ILLEGAL!"

"fine grant them citizenship so they wont be. they'll then pay taxes and be held responsible for all their actions just like the rest of us."

"NO!"

"well how come its the most rational solution."

"but mexicans!"

[iamgine]

I remember a number of years ago CA was introducing a bill that will give illegal aliens aka undocumented residents the ability to obtain drivers insurance.

but the bill was shut down.

A perfect example of bigotry blinding people's judgement.


Providing them with insurance and drivers license benefits all. They can be held responsible and we have them on file and documented. If they cause an accident then they can be held responsible.

i asked a coworker that was always ranting against immigrants why she was so opposed to them, and she said they cost us money. I then showed her stats that actually show the opposite so things even out. But she simply wouldnt accept it because in her eyes they were criminals. I told her the simple solution would be to make citizenship easier, thus making them legal citizens, but her bigotry rejected that idea as well.... just because.

Again, people letting their bigotry shine.

"b..bu..but... they're ILLEGAL!"

"fine grant them citizenship so they wont be. they'll then pay taxes and be held responsible for all their actions just like the rest of us."

"NO!"

"well how come its the most rational solution."

"but mexicans!"
Well they have committed a crime by entering the country illegally. I think the part people find hard to accept is giving them citizenship is like rewarding them for the crime instead of punishing. I think that goes against people's natural sense of justice and therefore hard to accept. Moreover, people would be worried that this kind of rewarding illegal behavior will become a trend.

[russwest0]

I really hate to bash the President, but why would you give amnesty to millions of illegals. I know it's all about politics, but this should be illegal and grounds for removal. It seems like commonsense that you would 1) protect your borders, you don't just let anyone in 2) you want people to come into your country that will work, be productive, and assimilate to your society 3) you want smart people or people with certain skills to come into your country. You don't want more poor people that will drown the system. These politicians should be held and put on trail..it's really disgusting what they are doing to this country.

My thoughts as well.

[kentatm]

I really hate to bash the President, but why would you give amnesty to millions of illegals. I know it's all about politics, but this should be illegal and grounds for removal. It seems like commonsense that you would 1) protect your borders, you don't just let anyone in 2) you want people to come into your country that will work, be productive, and assimilate to your society 3) you want smart people or people with certain skills to come into your country. You don't want more poor people that will drown the system. These politicians should be held and put on trail..it's really disgusting what they are doing to this country.


except he DIDN'T just give amnesty to tons of illegals.

you are falling for purposely distorted political talking points.

amnesty = citizenship

he did not just grant citizenship to millions of people.


President Obama will create a new deferred-action program for parents, to be dubbed DAP, that will give temporary legal status to unauthorized parents of children who are U.S. citizens or permanent legal residents and have been in the country since Jan. 1, 2010, according to people briefed on a plan he will announce in prime time Thursday night.

He also will remove the age restriction on the current Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA, such that people older than 31 who were brought here by their parents before age 16 will be able to qualify. Like the new deferred action for parents, eligibility for this new DACA expansion is based on being in the country for five years.

Those two programs will cover about 4.4 million unauthorized immigrants, according to White House figures that were provided to immigration advocates ahead of Obama's prime-time Oval Office speech Thursday. Not everyone who is eligible for these deferred deportation programs is expected to apply, however. Only about half of the 1.4 million unauthorized young people who were eligible for DACA have applied.

Undocumented parents of DACA recipients are not included in the new executive package, a nod to Obama's statement in 2013 that he didn't have the authority to extend the program to those parents. Many of those same parents, however, have children who are U.S. citizens and can qualify for legal status that way.

link (http://www.nationaljournal.com/white-house/obama-s-executive-order-to-protect-4-4-million-undocumented-immigrants-20141120)

[Nanners]

except he DIDN'T just give amnesty to tons of illegals.

you are falling for purposely distorted political talking points.

amnesty = citizenship

he did not just grant citizenship to millions of people.



correct, obama is not granting anyone citizenship.

you know which president did grant citizenship to millions of illegals? it was the same one who helped saddam use chemical weapons against the iranians, and the same one who financed and supported terrorist groups in south america - none other than the lord and savior of the republican party

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[NumberSix]

The cold truth is that doctors and scientists aren't illegally immigrating. Those people are welcomed with opened arms through legal immigration. It's generally the poor people who would be far less likely to be granted legal entry.

Now, some people say "if they had citizenship, they could pay taxes and add to the economy". Well, let's look at some facts. According to the IRS numbers from 2010, the bottom 40% of Americans pay -9% of Americas income tax. Yes, you read that right. Negative 9%. Meaning, they take more out than they put in. So if illegals became citizens and started paying taxes, it would actually cost America money.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for a country to prefer immigrants that will add money over immigrants that will cost money.

There are some people who simply don't want Mexican, Latinos, etc. entering the country. We all understand that bigotry does exist. We all get that. But we have to also recognize that there are legitimate economic reasons why government needs to control immigration. It's not all just about people blindly hating Mexicans.

[Nanners]

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.


should be replaced with


Give me your doctors, your engineers,
Everyone else can fvck off

[I<3NBA]

the US was formed on the backbone of immigrants. it is literally a country of immigrants. only the indians can be called real natives. the rest descended from immigrants.

[NumberSix]

except he DIDN'T just give amnesty to tons of illegals.

you are falling for purposely distorted political talking points.

amnesty = citizenship

he did not just grant citizenship to millions of people.

I think people are missing the point here.

Right now the law is that if law enforcement comes across a person who is in the country illegally, they take them into custody and deport them. That's the law.

What he SHOULD be doing is trying to use his political power to get a bill through congress to change the law. But what he's doing is claiming he has the authority to unilaterally decide that existing law will no longer be enforced. That's a problem.

Some people are letting it slide because it happens to be something they agree with. But what happens when the next president you don't agree with decides to ignore a law? What if a republican president decides "Obamacare doesn't count anymore. I know it's the law but I don't care. We're not enforcing it"? Of course you'll be screaming "you can't do that. It's the law. You're not the king".

Laws are passed by congress, and existing laws are expected to be enforced. If a law is bad, the right way to fix it is to change it by passing new law in congress. That's how democracy works. It's not perfect by any stretch, but the idea of 1 man deciding which laws will and will not be enforced is scary.

[andgar923]

The cold truth is that doctors and scientists aren't illegally immigrating. Those people are welcomed with opened arms through legal immigration. It's generally the poor people who would be far less likely to be granted legal entry.

Now, some people say "if they had citizenship, they could pay taxes and add to the economy". Well, let's look at some facts. According to the IRS numbers from 2010, the bottom 40% of Americans pay -9% of Americas income tax. Yes, you read that right. Negative 9%. Meaning, they take more out than they put in. So if illegals became citizens and started paying taxes, it would actually cost America money.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for a country to prefer immigrants that will add money over immigrants that will cost money.

There are some people who simply don't want Mexican, Latinos, etc. entering the country. We all understand that bigotry does exist. We all get that. But we have to also recognize that there are legitimate economic reasons why government needs to control immigration. It's not all just about people blindly hating Mexicans.

America was built on 'cheap' labor.

America NEEDS undocumented workers.

American politicians NEED undocumented workers for political purposes. They're used to raise money and to smear their opponents.

American corporations/companies NEED undocumented workers to save money, avoid following safety laws etc.etc.

And honestly, the main people that should be against immigration are ironically immigrants themselves.

Not many of us are competing for jobs against immigrants (documented or otherwise), it's immigrants that 8/10 will compete against them. The argument that they keep wages low isn't their fault, it's the American companies and YES American workers that refuse to give higher wages and refuse to work for low wages (generally speaking of course).

Immigration only becomes an issue during election season comes around. Otherwise the same people that are campaigning 'against' it are hiring them. The same people that are crying how they're taking our jobs are secretly hiring them. The same people that are fighting for their 'rights' and immigration reform could give two shits less about them. But they make for good political talking points, they're wedge issues that both parties depend on for millions and millions of dollars in campaign contributions.

Immigrants aint taking your jobs, if you're competing against them you need to analyze where things went wrong.

They remain 'illegal' out of political convenience. After all, American politicians always need a boogie man to point the finger at and get reelected no?

[andgar923]

the US was formed on the backbone of immigrants. it is literally a country of immigrants. only the indians can be called real natives. the rest descended from immigrants.

Mexicans are more native than damn near everybpdy here.

[SunsN07BookIt]

Mexicans are more native than damn near everybpdy here.

Mexico only owned parts of the US for about 40 years. And the Spanish and Mexican/Central American Indians have nothing to do with North American natives. I dare you to call a US Native American a "Mexican". You'll get punched in the face. :oldlol:

[andgar923]

Mexico only owned parts of the US for about 40 years. And the Spanish and Mexican/Central American Indians have nothing to do with North American natives. I dare you to call a US Native American a "Mexican". You'll get punched in the face. :oldlol:

If you're not Native American you should stfu.

[SunsN07BookIt]

If you're not Native American you should stfu.

I'm part Cherokee, that's US Native American in case you didn't know. I guess it's your turn to pipe down son....

[andgar923]

I'm part Cherokee, that's US Native American in case you didn't know. I guess it's your turn to pipe down son....

I stand corrected, my apologies.

But it still doesn't take away from my main points.

[NumberSix]

I stand corrected, my apologies.

But it still doesn't take away from my main points.
If him being Native American makes no difference to your point, why did he have to be Native American in the first place? :confusedshrug:

[KyrieTheFuture]

If him being Native American makes no difference to your point, why did he have to be Native American in the first place? :confusedshrug:
Excellent point, but I doubt anyone who says they're part native american. You should really be half if you're gonna claim heritage but that's just my opinion.

Also, the native americans in the south west essentially were "mexicans"...there is a ****ing massive variety of peoples indigenous to the americas. Why would east coast natives be the same as south west or western peoples? The natives of texas/arizona/new mexico have some aztec roots.

[SpecialQue]

Fvck yes. Love that he's opening the floodgates. The more illegal Hispanics we get in this country, the better.

Obama quickly moving up the GOAT president list.

[andgar923]

Fvck yes. Love that he's opening the floodgates. The more illegal Hispanics we get in this country, the better.

Obama quickly moving up the GOAT president list.

All sarcasm aside...

The US NEEDS cheap labor.

Exploited undocumented workers should be in everyone's interests (to some degree of course). There's financial gain that we all benefit from.

And contrary to false belief, they DO pay income tax and don't receive some of the same rights that we do. It's almost a win-win situation for us.

Like I mentioned, the people that should be opposed (ironically enough) are other immigrants.

Say YES to illegal immigration, it's on your best interest.

But as I stated, bigotry stands in the way of logic.

[GimmeThat]

The cold truth is that doctors and scientists aren't illegally immigrating. Those people are welcomed with opened arms through legal immigration. It's generally the poor people who would be far less likely to be granted legal entry.

Now, some people say "if they had citizenship, they could pay taxes and add to the economy". Well, let's look at some facts. According to the IRS numbers from 2010, the bottom 40% of Americans pay -9% of Americas income tax. Yes, you read that right. Negative 9%. Meaning, they take more out than they put in. So if illegals became citizens and started paying taxes, it would actually cost America money.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for a country to prefer immigrants that will add money over immigrants that will cost money.

There are some people who simply don't want Mexican, Latinos, etc. entering the country. We all understand that bigotry does exist. We all get that. But we have to also recognize that there are legitimate economic reasons why government needs to control immigration. It's not all just about people blindly hating Mexicans.


the biggest concern for me is more so whether or not the illegal immigrants and their children can survive under the system in which we have right now.

the truth is that -9% of income tax can very very easily be made up with.

since according to your math, 60% makes up 109% of the taxes.

to turn around and ask it, these "legal immigrants" in which who helps bring wealth into our governmental tax system, will they actually "get" the american spirit and the foundation in which America is built upon?



we afford what we can, and we discipline those who we and them, can not.

[GimmeThat]

America was built on 'cheap' labor.

America NEEDS undocumented workers.

American politicians NEED undocumented workers for political purposes. They're used to raise money and to smear their opponents.

American corporations/companies NEED undocumented workers to save money, avoid following safety laws etc.etc.

And honestly, the main people that should be against immigration are ironically immigrants themselves.

Not many of us are competing for jobs against immigrants (documented or otherwise), it's immigrants that 8/10 will compete against them. The argument that they keep wages low isn't their fault, it's the American companies and YES American workers that refuse to give higher wages and refuse to work for low wages (generally speaking of course).

Immigration only becomes an issue during election season comes around. Otherwise the same people that are campaigning 'against' it are hiring them. The same people that are crying how they're taking our jobs are secretly hiring them. The same people that are fighting for their 'rights' and immigration reform could give two shits less about them. But they make for good political talking points, they're wedge issues that both parties depend on for millions and millions of dollars in campaign contributions.

Immigrants aint taking your jobs, if you're competing against them you need to analyze where things went wrong.

They remain 'illegal' out of political convenience. After all, American politicians always need a boogie man to point the finger at and get reelected no?



I believe your point is that immigrants are simply willing to afford a lifestyle in which others can't fathom.

4-6 people in a 1-2 bedroom apartment in search of passion as well as their true callings?


just imagine how many lazy documented Americans would pass up on that.

[iamgine]

What if they have "special naturalized immigrant" whose minimum wage is $5 and a company can only hire a certain percentage of them. That'd be something that everyone will accept isn't it?

[Dresta]

There are talented individuals all over the world who want to emigrate to the United States and yet there are people who want to grant a demographic monopoly to the nearest hoard of people trying to cross its borders.

smh America is quickly turning to shit. FYI it's not racist to say 'we want to draw immigrants from a wide and diverse pool' instead of 'we want Mexicans to monopolise our immigration from without'