REAL Spiritual Discussions Thread

[Real14]

1. SLEEPING PARALYSIS

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Who believes in this? Who believes that this horrific situation has nothing to do with demons? Scientists and doctors believes it has nothing to do with demons or any other spiritual entities. People have blamed this on alien (which are actually demons) encounters and abductions but the doctors claim its all in our subconscious minds. I personally think it is a demon attack.

I have experienced this for 20 years now ever since I was 8 years old and I felt like I was choking with shortness of breath. Many times I thought like I was going to die, because some episodes the attacks are a lot aggressive than the others. Sometimes I felt like the demons fight me and try causing pain. On many occasions I can try to wake up and I can feel somebody holding me back. There are some stories where people get scabs on their bodies from this.

This is definitely not a good thing to look to. I hear that if you say Jesus during this altercation then it can help you get out of it. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I also hear this has a lot to do with spiritual warfare which I think its true. The more you do good and less evil you do you will get these evil spiritual entities upset. You'll have to fight these evil spiritual entities yourself to let them know you are not afraid.They always live off of fear.

What do you think about this? Discuss.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I've suffered from sleep paralysis ever since I was a kid.

It has nothing to do with demons :facepalm :facepalm

It can be a frightening situation as a kid, but as an adult now I know to just calmly remind myself what is happening and that I will awake soon.

Panicking only makes it 10x worse

[Real14]

I've suffered from sleep paralysis ever since I was a kid.

It has nothing to do with demons :facepalm :facepalm

It can be a frightening situation as a kid, but as an adult now I know to just calmly remind myself what is happening and that I will awake soon.

Panicking only makes it 10x worse
I agree with everything else you said, but sometimes you are not alert when you go through sleep paralysis. If its not demons then what is it?

[ZeN]

Your uncontrolled mind is making it happen. You need to work on mental affirmation. It's the same thing with nightmares. If you tell yourself that you are not afraid them your mind has no choice but to change the narrative. Of course in order to do that lucid dreaming is needed. You can't ground your sleep paralysis or nightmares without self awareness. Chaos and fear unrestrained creates the most frightening imagery.

[Real14]

Your uncontrolled mind is making it happen. You need to work on mental affirmation. It's the same thing with nightmares. If you tell yourself that you are not afraid them your mind has no choice but to change the narrative. Of course in order to do that lucid dreaming is needed. You can't ground your sleep paralysis or nightmares without self awareness. Chaos and fear unrestrained creates the most frightening imagery.
What causes us to have these nightmares though? I just think that doctors and scientists tells us these things to hide the fact that demons do exist and bothers us while we sleep and trying to wake up.

[ZeN]

What causes us to have these nightmares though? I just think that doctors and scientists tells us these things to hide the fact that demons do exist and bothers us while we sleep and trying to wake up.
It's called your subconscious.

I do believe that ' demons ' exist also. I just don't think they are related to what you are talking about.

[Smook A.]

What causes us to have these nightmares though? I just think that doctors and scientists tells us these things to hide the fact that demons do exist and bothers us while we sleep and trying to wake up.
Biggest reason why people get nightmares is because of anxiety and/or depression.

[senelcoolidge]

I don't remember the specifics, but when you enter into a certain level of sleep your brain paralyzes your body. People that don't have this normal ability are sleepwalkers. So your brain paralyzes your body so you will not act out or sleep walk. Somehow there is a misfire or some bad wiring somewhere and sleep paralyzes occurs. I know it's scary I've had it before.

[ZeN]

Biggest reason why people get nightmares is because of anxiety and/or depression.
That's not accurate. Unresolved issues can but depression and anxiety cause other problems not sleep paralysis or nightmares.

[Le Shaqtus]

I agree with everything else you said, but sometimes you are not alert when you go through sleep paralysis. If its not demons then what is it?

It's science..

[Godzuki]

personally i think its demons/spirits/ghosts/etc and science just trying to rationalize it. science always tries to come up with a answer for everything but in this case there is no proof or case studies i believe for them to say its all mental. how could they prove that?

thing about the subconscious theory is u have to have some susceptibility or remembrance/thought of demons/supernatural for that to occur then. for example if that is not remotely in your train of thought at all it could never happen, but it does.

i had it once and it was as real of a supernatural experience as i've ever had. i KNOW i never 'woke up', in fact stayed up for 2 days~ afterward since i was so shook from it. i know what i saw, and i know i wasn't sleeping. i can't imagine anyone having that shit regularly but i could imagine u get used to it and not freak out as much, since it really did nothing to me other than scare the fukk out of me and freeze me in terror.

it could've just been sizing me up, who knows. maybe it did do something i don't know. just saying i can see someone getting accustomed to it if it happens to them regularly where that doesn't autmoatically prove its all mental.

[ZeN]

Demon don't just straight up f*ck with you. They need a an invitation of sort and a spiritual access point. Which is why when in Astral form your admonished not to invite random spirits to enter you or mess with you. Also if you are weak minded believing that outside forms have complete control over you in the process you are giving up control . That applies to both spiritual and physical being.

[JohnFreeman]

lol bet you guys believe in God

[ZeN]

lol bet you guys believe in God
Is God a demon?

[BigBoss]

My spiritual philosophy has a lot to do with the universe. It's all interconnected and layered, and f'n beautiful if you asked me.

For example, with Earth.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/--lMqR-_DEgI/TWrL4Rljp_I/AAAAAAAAAyU/3gGSQwYIU8k/s1600/Earths%2Bstructure%2Band%2Blines%2Bof%2Bforce.jpg

The Earth has a HOT iron core that spins and creates an electromagnetic magnetic field. It is that magnetic field that creates our atmosphere and keeps solar objects from crashing into earth. In a nutshell, we need the core to be hot/spinning.

http://consciouslifenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Earth-magnetic-sheild-and-solar-wind.jpg

If Earth lost it's magnetic field it would basically be dried up like Mars. Mars billions of years ago had water, but lost it's electromagnetic field and it's core does not spin anymore. It's basically dead.



Now as a human. Ignore the text. Just take in the image.

http://innerlight-wellness.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/AP-Assemblage.jpg

Our heart is our core. The magnetic field we create is an invisibly aura around us. Being positive, stress free, energetic, love, compassion, etc I equate to a warm heart ( hot and spinning like Earth and creating an electromagnetic field). Being negative, depressed, anxious, angry etc I equate to having a empty heart ( cold, not spinning, no electromagnetic field so dead inside like Mars).


Now to find truths in life. To find answers to ANY problem. To find your path. To remove depression, anger, etc. The answers are all within. You must align yourself with the universe.


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Forget God. Let's all agree that there was a source. And that source is EXPANDING as we speak. We must be IN LINE with it. That is how we move forward in OUR life and serve our purpose which is to maximize our time here and give our children the best opportunity to do the same.

How to achieve it? Through meditation for starters, but the goal is to get rid of the ego and what you've been conditioned to believe. That's when you hit your ZEN place and life comes easy because your doing what you need to do, and being the real you. I'm on that journey as we speak one day at a time :cheers:

An example of experiencing a truth and getting rid of your ego I feel is illustrated well by this

http://www.cool121.com/SiteAssets/Perspective-View-of-Earth-from-Moon-Astronaut-Quote-1024x576.jpg

Now imagine if you can get that perspective without having to go to the Moon.

[ZeN]

So everyone be trying to be me?

[Fawker]

what are dreams tho? they come with a script and everything.

[Real14]

personally i think its demons/spirits/ghosts/etc and science just trying to rationalize it. science always tries to come up with a answer for everything but in this case there is no proof or case studies i believe for them to say its all mental. how could they prove that?

thing about the subconscious theory is u have to have some susceptibility or remembrance/thought of demons/supernatural for that to occur then. for example if that is not remotely in your train of thought at all it could never happen, but it does.

i had it once and it was as real of a supernatural experience as i've ever had. i KNOW i never 'woke up', in fact stayed up for 2 days~ afterward since i was so shook from it. i know what i saw, and i know i wasn't sleeping. i can't imagine anyone having that shit regularly but i could imagine u get used to it and not freak out as much, since it really did nothing to me other than scare the fukk out of me and freeze me in terror.

it could've just been sizing me up, who knows. maybe it did do something i don't know. just saying i can see someone getting accustomed to it if it happens to them regularly where that doesn't autmoatically prove its all mental.

This is ultimately true. Scientists always try to cover up something. There's REAL videos on ghosts and demons and people still want to act like its all in their mind. People seriously needs to get out of that denial stage and accept the truth.

[Real14]

what are dreams tho? they come with a script and everything.
We can't create all those dreams either. Some dreams we have way too much detail and how different scenes come about in them too. Especially when we tend to dream about shit that we never thought about before and some dreams that we are even confused about ourselves. Something spiritual gives us some of those dreams and nightmares that we cant explain. Believe it or not.

[ZeN]

We can't create all those dreams either. Some dreams we have way too much detail and how different scenes come about in them too. Especially when we tend to dream about shit that we never thought about before and some dreams that we are even confused about ourselves. Something spiritual gives us some of those dreams and nightmares that we cant explain. Believe it or not.
How old are you man?

[Real14]

How old are you man?
How old are you?:coleman:

[ZeN]

How old are you?:coleman:
I'm 32.. But don't act it.. I'm guessing it's the same with you do to the things you believe.

[Kblaze8855]

I had it most of the 80s.

Id kick and kick staying frozen until I broke out of it and actually moved. Scared the shit outta my mom. Id just lay there not breathing and nobody could tell anything was wrong.

[Real14]

I'm 32.. But don't act it.. I'm guessing it's the same with you do to the things you believe.
Yes I truly believe in what I posted. Where do you think realistic nightmares that we have and can't explain come from?

[Real14]

I had it most of the 80s.

Id kick and kick staying frozen until I broke out of it and actually moved. Scared the shit outta my mom. Id just lay there not breathing and nobody could tell anything was wrong.
That's another thing, during this nobody can hear us scream and yell for help. That really is something.

[Lebron23]

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[G-train]

Interesting topic.
I believe it's spiritual.
We live in a huge universe... too many blindly believe in human theories that are full of holes.

I believe this experience is spiritual because I had a spiritual healing from it.
My experience is my experience, and no text book or other human that is no more intelligent or 'normal' than me, can change that.

[CavaliersFTW]

1. SLEEPING PARALYSIS

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http://stopsleepparalysis.conspiracyclothes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Screen-Shot-2013-05-14-at-00.22.41.png

Who believes in this? Who believes that this horrific situation has nothing to do with demons? Scientists and doctors believes it has nothing to do with demons or any other spiritual entities. People have blamed this on alien (which are actually demons) encounters and abductions but the doctors claim its all in our subconscious minds. I personally think it is a demon attack.

I have experienced this for 20 years now ever since I was 8 years old and I felt like I was choking with shortness of breath. Many times I thought like I was going to die, because some episodes the attacks are a lot aggressive than the others. Sometimes I felt like the demons fight me and try causing pain. On many occasions I can try to wake up and I can feel somebody holding me back. There are some stories where people get scabs on their bodies from this.

This is definitely not a good thing to look to. I hear that if you say Jesus during this altercation then it can help you get out of it. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I also hear this has a lot to do with spiritual warfare which I think its true. The more you do good and less evil you do you will get these evil spiritual entities upset. You'll have to fight these evil spiritual entities yourself to let them know you are not afraid.They always live off of fear.

What do you think about this? Discuss.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Dude...

DUDE!!!

:roll:

I've woken up at random with "sleep paralysis" since I was a kid, it's NOT demons or spiritual, it's the natural chemicals your body produces (everyone's... all animals, and humans) that paralyze you when you sleep so that your muscles become inactive so that your active sleeping brain doesn't cause you to do shit like sleep-walk or flail around in your sleep. Normally production of this chemical switches off just before you wake up. In some people, sometimes, particularly if something awakens you (a noise, or outside stimulus or something) it can take a minute or two after awakening... this is sleep paralysis... it can be scary, and/or can happen during a lucid state where you aren't fully awake but are semi-conscious and thus can be half dreaming/half awake and feel like some weird shit is going on... it's nothing spiritual.

[CavaliersFTW]

personally i think its demons/spirits/ghosts/etc and science just trying to rationalize it. science always tries to come up with a answer for everything but in this case there is no proof or case studies i believe for them to say its all mental. how could they prove that?

thing about the subconscious theory is u have to have some susceptibility or remembrance/thought of demons/supernatural for that to occur then. for example if that is not remotely in your train of thought at all it could never happen, but it does.

i had it once and it was as real of a supernatural experience as i've ever had. i KNOW i never 'woke up', in fact stayed up for 2 days~ afterward since i was so shook from it. i know what i saw, and i know i wasn't sleeping. i can't imagine anyone having that shit regularly but i could imagine u get used to it and not freak out as much, since it really did nothing to me other than scare the fukk out of me and freeze me in terror.

it could've just been sizing me up, who knows. maybe it did do something i don't know. just saying i can see someone getting accustomed to it if it happens to them regularly where that doesn't autmoatically prove its all mental.
no your just trolling, you always do this, spell shit wrong on purpose and pretend to confuse animals and facts and what not, take the side of the illogical or incorrect, you'll say anything if you know it will rustle some jimmies, carry on though :lol

[G-train]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Dude...

DUDE!!!

:roll:

I've woken up at random with "sleep paralysis" since I was a kid, it's NOT demons or spiritual, it's the natural chemicals your body produces (everyone's... all animals, and humans) that paralyze you when you sleep so that your muscles become inactive so that your active sleeping brain doesn't cause you to do shit like sleep-walk or flail around in your sleep. Normally production of this chemical switches off just before you wake up. In some people, sometimes, particularly if something awakens you (a noise, or outside stimulus or something) it can take a minute or two after awakening... this is sleep paralysis... it can be scary, and/or can happen during a lucid state where you aren't fully awake but are semi-conscious and thus can be half dreaming/half awake and feel like some weird shit is going on... it's nothing spiritual.

I am open to the science.
But I believe people can have spiritual experiences in those circumstances.
Sometimes you are stuck and can't move.
Other times you can experience things you have never seen or dreamed about.
I don't think people should close the door on some experiences just because of theories or other human's opinions.
What is the hard evidence that chemical malfunction causes demonic experiences?

[CavaliersFTW]

I am open to the science.
But I believe people can have spiritual experiences in those circumstances.
Sometimes you are stuck and can't move.
Other times you can experience things you have never seen or dreamed about.
I don't think people should close the door on some experiences just because of theories or other human's opinions.
What is the hard evidence that chemical malfunction causes demonic experiences?
The paralysis chemical during a recently awakened and/or lucid (semi-awake) state explains everything.

Carry on and add some bogus "I belive you can also be spiritual during this phase" crap. While your at it, I'm going to believe that you actually are being possessed by the ghost of Santa Clause during this state. I know sleep paralysis is totally explained by science, but you can't prove my spiritual belief wrong, so I'm going to go ahead and believe it too.

[G-train]

The paralysis chemical during a recently awakened and/or lucid (semi-awake) state explains everything.

Carry on and add some bogus "I belive you can also be spiritual during this phase" crap. While your at it, I'm going to believe that you actually are being possessed by the ghost of Santa Clause during this state. I know sleep paralysis is totally explained by science, but you can't prove my spiritual belief wrong, so I'm going to go ahead and believe it too.

I'm simply saying people having an experience, and all science offers is shaky theories.

I have never seen hard evidence that the chemicals cause people to experience things that they have never thought or seen, in that particular moment.

Humans, more than ever, think they can just explain everything with theories, so they don't have to believe in spirituality.

Yet if we are honest, the actual realities of peoples lives contain spiritual experiences.

In fact their used to be departments for the unexplained in American colleges, but they were closed down some time ago.

[G-train]

I actually can't understand some of the arrogance of humankind in its own theories and science, given the size of the universe and scope of human experience.
That being said, I appreciate and respect most science.

[CavaliersFTW]

I actually can't understand some of the arrogance of humankind in its own theories and science, given the size of the universe and scope of human experience.
That being said, I appreciate and respect most science.
Right but.. a rational explanation is proposed, and you call it shaky, as opposed to the notion of vague undefinable or magical things like spirituality being equally if not more plausible? Something isn't firing right in your logic board if you reject or are not fully satisfied with a reasonable theory supported by facts and instead attempt to fill it in with what is essentially a magical answer unsupported by facts.

There are concrete facts known about sleep paralysis. Paralysis chemicals being produced in our sleep is a fact, an irrefutable fact. The occasional lingering effects of these chemicals in many of us when awakening due to our bodies being imperfect machines is a fact, just like the fact that sometimes some of us won't produce enough and will sleep walk. The "unexplainable" as some would have you believe sensations that can occur during sleep paralysis is in fact reasonably explained by the fact that many times this happens during a semi-lucid state. Put simply, you aren't fully conscious, you're still half dreaming. You can choose to believe this is something else, something magical or spiritual or what have you. But there is no evidence for that. There is plenty of evidence on the other hand that a dreaming mind can create all sorts of sensations and scenarios our conscious minds otherwise would not. Does it fully explain sleep paralysis? Well, if you aren't satisfied maybe look into the subject a little deeper. I read up on this when I was having episodes of it and I felt satisfied with the scientific answers.

[Real14]

I'm simply saying people having an experience, and all science offers is shaky theories.

I have never seen hard evidence that the chemicals cause people to experience things that they have never thought or seen, in that particular moment.

Humans, more than ever, think they can just explain everything with theories, so they don't have to believe in spirituality.

Yet if we are honest, the actual realities of peoples lives contain spiritual experiences.

In fact their used to be departments for the unexplained in American colleges, but they were closed down some time ago.

See, that should tell everybody something especially the nonbelievers that the government tries to cover up what's REAL. You are exactly right.

[CavaliersFTW]

See, that should tell everybody something especially the nonbelievers that the government tries to cover up what's REAL. You are exactly right.
People used to be taught the Earth was flat ...now we are forced to learn that it is round. Government conspiracy? :eek:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Good post BigBoss.

More on ALIGNING yourself with the universe please.

Do you recommend doing higher power meditations, chakra cleansing meditations?

From experience I can confirm that...
A) doing charity work clears out negative karma
B) every action that is done towards others or every trauma that is received not only has a blow to your ego, but is stored as bad emotion in your body and likewise your spirit
C) Doing long prayers and qigong and then going to a social place and I'm a fukking people magnet
D) Every major religion has clearly clarified what is sin and what is virtue and the thing Satan/Shaytan represents is quite often what impedes spiritual growth (i.e. lethargy greed scarcity)
E) There's some truth to the idea of a guardian angel
F) What you see within you see outside
G) Your mind has incredible powers in not only conceiving.. but creating reality

[Godzuki]

no your just trolling, you always do this, spell shit wrong on purpose and pretend to confuse animals and facts and what not, take the side of the illogical or incorrect, you'll say anything if you know it will rustle some jimmies, carry on though :lol


u have me completely wrong, in every fascet.

i'm as genuine, politically incorrect real as it gets on this board. most people are sheep including the so called conspiracy theorists who think everyone is some sheep. to me they're dumb sheep.

anyways when i'm fukking around its obvious but when i'm genuine and serious its obvious too. i'm not trying to trick anybody.

you aren't convincing anyone with science. your explanation can't/doesn't prove shit against the supernatural....all it does is say we aren't completely conscious and aware 100% all of the time but u don't explain the evil presence aspect and why that happens so completely out of the blue in these cases. its not like we're all thinking ghosts and evil spirits shit right before we go into sleep paralysis either but for some reason its always attached to these phenomenon you aren't explaining with case studies.

its a lame attempt at science to explain the supernatural, and while that is a rare occurrence its is a occurrence when it comes to sleep paralysis. show me case studies where they scientifically prove it and i might believe u but there aren't any, because they can't.

[Godzuki]

I agree with everything else you said, but sometimes you are not alert when you go through sleep paralysis. If its not demons then what is it?


thats the thing, and this is the thing about dreams in general. i KNOW i have ZERO thought or belief in some things but i dream it anyways. i KNOW i am not thinking about something or have thought about those people for a long fukking time, in fact so minor in my life altogether its amazing they show up in my dreams. and somehow they do....


thats the thing about dreams, they're so random. i've been trying to make some sense out of them but truth is they're so random and so concocted from random memory its nuts. there are so many times i'll wake up with some vivid dream and be like WTF was i thinking about that person for? i haven't seen them since 6th grade :wtf:

but people always want to pretend its subliminal or there is some recent imagining to make it a dream when thats not true at all

people say so much shit when it comes to sleep paralysis or even dreaming in general thats not true its fukked up how they pretend its all so contrived. fukk no its not contrived....u could maybe say the brain is very randomized but i sort of believe there is such thing as spiritual influences.....for how unbelievable that is, its more believable than it being subconscious thought that is so far back and out of consciousnesss but somehow comes up? GTFO here :confusedshrug: