Greatest passer in the 30k points club.....

[9erempiree]

He was the primary playmaker/point guard on 5 championship teams. Led all 5 teams in assists. It can be argued he is one of the greatest PG of all time that just happened to score a lot. Best scoring PG for sure.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t1.0-9/p370x247/10426573_930017383693453_4913049875708980219_n.jpg

[JohnFreeman]

LeBron on 5791..

[9erempiree]

LeBron on 5791..

Lebron's assist does not equate to winning. I like to call them a wasted effort. He helps and assist during the regular season but does not assist his teammates in winning championship. Empty.

Give me Kobe and MJ's lower assist totals that equate to 5 and 6 championships versus 2. Efficient by Lebron but not dominant in the sense of Kobe and MJ that have fewer assists but more championships.

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe has role player rings :roll:

[9erempiree]

Kobe has role player rings :roll:

:confusedshrug:

http://s15.postimg.org/i9om0vg23/kobe.png

[JohnFreeman]

http://www.lakersuniverse.com/pictures/lakers2001champ1.jpg

[9erempiree]

This is one last thing I am going to say about Shaq because this thread is about the greatest passer in the 30k club.

Not knowing what we know and just by looking at this picture. It is safe to say Shaq was a career journeyman no?

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Screen-Shot-2014-07-12-at-2.42.59-PM.png

[Fowl]

This is one last thing I am going to say about Shaq because this thread is about the greatest passer in the 30k club.

Not knowing what we know and just by looking at this picture. It is safe to say Shaq was a career journeyman no?

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Screen-Shot-2014-07-12-at-2.42.59-PM.png
Then suns are there twice.

[pauk]

Pointguard?

[stalkerforlife]

Top 5 all time and if anyone puts him below #8, they are smoking meth and crack at the same time.

[SwayDizzle]

Top 5 all time and if anyone puts him below #8, they are smoking meth and crack at the same time.
you said it mah dude:applause:
what's strange is that Kobe's first three rings are downgraded as 'side kick' rings by his detractors. how is it that Kobe is ranked higher all time than Shaq then?:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[dunksby]

This is one last thing I am going to say about Shaq because this thread is about the greatest passer in the 30k club.

Not knowing what we know and just by looking at this picture. It is safe to say Shaq was a career journeyman no?

http://footbasket.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Screen-Shot-2014-07-12-at-2.42.59-PM.png
Why are you trying to pass Baby Davis' pics as Shaq's?

[stalkerforlife]

you said it mah dude:applause:
what's strange is that Kobe's first three rings are downgraded as 'side kick' rings by his detractors. how is it that Kobe is ranked higher all time than Shaq then?:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

Kobe is the most punished player of all time.

Kobe wins a ring with Shaq and it doesn't count.

Duncan wins a ring as a sidekick and he jumps 3-5 places on the all time list.

[bizil]

The best OFFENSIVE PLAYERS of all time to me are the guys who are great scorers AND great passers flat out. Guys like Lebron, Big O, and Magic are great passers who are also great scorers. Then u have MJ and Kobe who are great scorers but also great passers. And of course u have Bird and he was so well balanced as a SF-PF that u could argue either way. Bird wasn't the primary ball handler like the other guys. But he was ALWAYS the best passer on his teams, however he was always pretty much a SF-PF. While the guys like Big O, Magic, Bron, MJ, and Kobe played in the backcourt or an all court point forward (meaning bringing up the rock, pushing the fast break, being the actual primary ball handler).

[9erempiree]

The best OFFENSIVE PLAYERS of all time to me are the guys who are great scorers AND great passers flat out. Guys like Lebron, Big O, and Magic are great passers who are also great scorers. Then u have MJ and Kobe who are great scorers who are also great passers. And of course u have Bird and he was so well balanced as a SF-PF that u could argue either way. Bird wasn't the primary ball handler like the other guys. But he was ALWAYS the best passer on his teams, but he was always pretty much a SF-PF. While the guys like Big O, Magic, Bron, MJ, and Kobe played in the backcourt more often.

I would leave Lebron out of this. He is a drive and dish guy and the other guys you mentioned make something out of nothing.

A simple YT search will bring up countless videos of those guys you mentioned who made crazy passes and Lebron doesn't have the flare to be compared to the guys you mentioned. He is efficient as a passer but has no dominant creativity or flare.

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/14845-2/kobe+no-look+pass+there+it+goes.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OpSHhRKx8DQ/Uc3jac91BrI/AAAAAAAABvY/1PUUHBvzlgM/s1280/magic-johnson.jpg
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0610/nba_g_kobe_lakers1_580.jpg
http://lakers-edge.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Magic-Worthy.jpg

[JohnFreeman]

I would leave Lebron out of this. He is a drive and dish guy and the other guys you mentioned make something out of nothing.

A simple YT search will bring up countless videos of those guys you mentioned who made crazy passes and Lebron doesn't have the flare to be compared to the guys you mentioned. He is efficient as a passer but has no dominant creativity or flare.


:roll:

[Stringer Bell]

Jordan was a better passer than Kobe.

Kind of hard to compare to the big guys, by the Hebephile Failman turned into an excellent passer. Wilt and Kareem was terrific passers.

[Encre92]

http://i.imgur.com/OcZOVHr.jpg

[9erempiree]

Jordan was a better passer than Kobe.

Kind of hard to compare to the big guys, by the Hebephile Failman turned into an excellent passer. Wilt and Kareem was terrific passers.

I am going to politely disagree. MJ doesn't pass the eye test nor does he pass Kobe in cold hard numbers.

[Encre92]

I am going to politely disagree. MJ doesn't pass the eye test nor does he pass Kobe in cold hard numbers.
I too, am going to disagree politely. And here's those "cold hard numbers" you mentioned:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/CareerStats_zpsd0f50f9c.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/AdvanceStats_zps09511cb7.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/Clutch1_zps065b73d0.jpg

[JohnFreeman]

I too, am going to disagree politely. And here's those "cold hard numbers" you mentioned:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/CareerStats_zpsd0f50f9c.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/AdvanceStats_zps09511cb7.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/Clutch1_zps065b73d0.jpg
9er

http://i.minus.com/ibhEHHLVNlEiXU.gif

[9erempiree]

I too, am going to disagree politely. And here's those "cold hard numbers" you mentioned:

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/CareerStats_zpsd0f50f9c.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/AdvanceStats_zps09511cb7.jpg
http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s178/toyotamotors/Clutch1_zps065b73d0.jpg

Once again, a lot of deflection, your original post was about MJ being a better passer than Kobe and I politely proved you wrong. Then you decide to post numbers that has nothing to do with the argument at hand.

Straw Man much?

Too easy to OWN folks on ISH and they wonder why I don't post here as often as I should.

[Hoopz2332]

9er

http://i.minus.com/ibhEHHLVNlEiXU.gif


:oldlol:

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Once again, a lot of deflection, your original post was about MJ being a better passer than Kobe and I politely proved you wrong. Then you decide to post numbers that has nothing to do with the argument at hand.

Straw Man much?

Too easy to OWN folks on ISH and they wonder why I don't post here as often as I should.

You are so full of fail.

[9erempiree]

You are so full of fail.

You can't read or properly comprehend the thread like most people on here. Please read it carefully then you will understand. Then read it for a 2nd time just to make sure.

After putting everything together then you will know why people are repping me like crazy in this thread.

[stalkerforlife]

9erempire doing work in this thread.

Got them haters shook.

[SwayDizzle]

9er slaying these cats

[TheMilkyBarKid]

You can't read or properly comprehend the thread like most people on here. Please read it carefully then you will understand. Then read it for a 2nd time just to make sure.

After putting everything together then you will know why people are repping me like crazy in this thread.
I was speaking in general, how much of your life have you spent on here talking crap?

[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain. Led the league in assists one year.

Also has the highest single post-season run of the group.

[fiddy]

I too, am going to disagree politely. And here's those "cold hard numbers" you mentioned:


Dragic alt confirmed

2/5
5>2

deal with it clown

[dubeta]

Lolololol thread back fire


OP forced to troll against bran :oldlol:

[fiddy]

Lolololol thread back fire


OP forced to troll against bran :oldlol:
5>2

[hahaitme]

5>2

5 and 2 are both peasant numbers anyway

da **** outta here with that single digit shit :pimp:

[bigt]

Very curious to see how Kobe goes in the coming season regarding passing. He had his best APG totals over the past two seasons (last season's a bit of a wash given the circumstances, but it's still technically his best average). Although I still see him going Black Mamba 'taking the shot is options A-Z' from time to time, he might look to become a bit more active as a playmaker and let his mind for the game come into effect.

[GODbe]

Greatest passer since Magic imo. But he's way too good of a scorer to be "pass-first" though hence not avging double digit assists.

[Encre92]

Lolololol thread back fire


OP forced to troll against bran :oldlol:
too easy get 9er to take the bait. almost effortless.:roll:

then we have his little girlfriend fiddy coming in here with his 5>2 nonsense trying to defend his hero and crush.:lol :facepalm

[9erempiree]

Bump for the afternoon crowd.

One of the greatest combo guard in history that paved the way for the likes of Rose, Westbrook, Irving and Wall.

[9erempiree]

Very curious to see how Kobe goes in the coming season regarding passing. He had his best APG totals over the past two seasons (last season's a bit of a wash given the circumstances, but it's still technically his best average). Although I still see him going Black Mamba 'taking the shot is options A-Z' from time to time, he might look to become a bit more active as a playmaker and let his mind for the game come into effect.

I don't think he will be dominant just efficient.

[bizil]

I would leave Lebron out of this. He is a drive and dish guy and the other guys you mentioned make something out of nothing.

A simple YT search will bring up countless videos of those guys you mentioned who made crazy passes and Lebron doesn't have the flare to be compared to the guys you mentioned. He is efficient as a passer but has no dominant creativity or flare.

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/14845-2/kobe+no-look+pass+there+it+goes.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OpSHhRKx8DQ/Uc3jac91BrI/AAAAAAAABvY/1PUUHBvzlgM/s1280/magic-johnson.jpg
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0610/nba_g_kobe_lakers1_580.jpg
http://lakers-edge.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Magic-Worthy.jpg


Totally disagree! Bron has EPIC FLARE passing the rock!! A great passer is a great passer flat out. Stockton wasn't the flashiest passer but he's arguably the greatest passer of all time! To me, Magic was the best passer of all time in terms of combining style and passing IQ.

[Hey Yo]

I would leave Lebron out of this. He is a drive and dish guy and the other guys you mentioned make something out of nothing.

A simple YT search will bring up countless videos of those guys you mentioned who made crazy passes and Lebron doesn't have the flare to be compared to the guys you mentioned. He is efficient as a passer but has no dominant creativity or flare.

http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/14845-2/kobe+no-look+pass+there+it+goes.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OpSHhRKx8DQ/Uc3jac91BrI/AAAAAAAABvY/1PUUHBvzlgM/s1280/magic-johnson.jpg
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0610/nba_g_kobe_lakers1_580.jpg
http://lakers-edge.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Magic-Worthy.jpg
The first pic isn't a pass, Kobe got stripped.

[mentallooser]

Once again, a lot of deflection, your original post was about MJ being a better passer than Kobe and I politely proved you wrong. Then you decide to post numbers that has nothing to do with the argument at hand.

Straw Man much?

Too easy to OWN folks on ISH and they wonder why I don't post here as often as I should.

Yea...except that Jordan averaged more assists.

[Prometheus]

When it comes to passing the ball, LeBron > Kobe (not close).

OP steady embarrassing himself :facepalm

[stalkerforlife]

When it comes to passing the ball, LeBron > Kobe (not close).

OP steady embarrassing himself :facepalm

Being a more willing passer, partly due to mentality and partly due to playing with the greatest shooters of all time, does not mean you're a better passer.

Kobe was just too alpha to play the role of PG for too long, especially in the 4th quarter.

[dubeta]

Being a more willing passer, partly due to mentality and partly due to playing with the greatest shooters of all time, does not mean you're a better passer.

Kobe was just too alpha to play the role of PG for too long, especially in the 4th quarter.

Weak response

2/7

[TimmyDuncan]

Once again, a lot of deflection, your original post was about MJ being a better passer than Kobe and I politely proved you wrong. Then you decide to post numbers that has nothing to do with the argument at hand.

Straw Man much?

Too easy to OWN folks on ISH and they wonder why I don't post here as often as I should.

How is that deflection? He put stats where you see that Jordan averages more assists per game in RS, playoff and finals

I don't even know why I respond to a troll :facepalm

[Prometheus]

Rookie LeBron was a better passer than Kobe has ever been. To be honest, it's the one and only facet of the game in which one of those two players has a HUGE advantage over the other.

[GrapeApe]

Kobe has always been a creative and capable playmaker, but his assist totals are largely the result of being a primary ball handler for the majority of his career. It would have been nearly impossible to NOT amass an impressive number of assists. That's not a dig at him though and if anything it speaks to his talent and longevity. Very few players have been able to carry that responsibility effectively for so many years.

[Stringer Bell]

I am going to politely disagree. MJ doesn't pass the eye test nor does he pass Kobe in cold hard numbers.

Jordan could create plays and thread the needle with brilliant passes.

Kobe has an edge for career assists but less assists per game. His longevity is extemely impressive, but it doesn't make him a superior passer to Jordan.

[9erempiree]

Jordan could create plays and thread the needle with brilliant passes.

Kobe has an edge for career assists but less assists per game. His longevity is extemely impressive, but it doesn't make him a superior passer to Jordan.

no.

[Simple Jack]

no.

You're an idiot man. You'd think at a certain point you would stop trolling. It's actually quite impressive now that I think about it.

[Kvnzhangyay]

Dragic alt confirmed

2/5
5>2

deal with it clown

Cmon brah are u really that obsessed with Bran... he was talking about MJ and u have to bring ur boyfriend into the conversation :facepalm

[dubeta]

Holy fukk I just realized LeBron's gonna end up with 30k points AND 10k assists :eek: :bowdown:

Who's the closest to that figure right now??

[9erempiree]

Holy fukk I just realized LeBron's gonna end up with 30k points AND 10k assists :eek: :bowdown:

Who's the closest to that figure right now??

He's got to beat the best and that's Kobe.

Who is coming close to touching this?

[pauk]

Holy fukk I just realized LeBron's gonna end up with 30k points AND 10k assists :eek: :bowdown:

Who's the closest to that figure right now??

Oscar Robertson.

Infact, he was the only guy in NBA history to be in both Top 10 career assists & Top 10 career points.

Considering Lebron is only ~3600 points and ~2100 assists away from holding that record since only Oscar Robertson, its safe to say he will do it, unless something happens to him....

It could be one of those "unbeatable records", just as unbeatable as Wilts 100 points or Oscars triple double average season.... i doubt we will see another career averaging 27-30 ppg / 7-10 apg longevity guy anytime soon imo, especially not one who does that immediately since the age of 19....

[Marchesk]

Oscar Robertson.

Infact, he was the only guy in NBA history to be in both Top 10 career assists & Top 10 career points.

Considering Lebron is only ~3600 points and ~2100 assists away from holding that record since only Oscar Robertson, its safe to say he will do it, unless something happens to him....

It could be one of those "unbeatable records", just as unbeatable as Wilts 100 points or Oscars triple double average season.... i doubt we will see another career averaging 27-30 ppg / 7-10 apg longevity guy anytime soon imo, especially not one who does that immediately since the age of 19....

That will be quite the accomplishment. I'll give him props for that. Do you think Lebron back then would have been more like Oscar or Elign?

[La Frescobaldi]

That will be quite the accomplishment. I'll give him props for that. Do you think Lebron back then would have been more like Oscar or Elign?
Neither. He would have been a 4 almost without doubt due to body weight.

Of course, if he'd played back then he would have lifted no weights, until it became obvious that what Chamberlain was doing was most monstrous good for the game. So he would have been much smaller & maybe he would have played the 3 after all.

Those guys were inventing modern basketball, and Chamberlain was without any doubt the most inventive of all players in history in terms of overall impact.

[MiseryCityTexas]

It's easy racking up assists playing with a prime Shaq and prime Gasol.

[Prometheus]

It's so disappointing when a person is well-known on this message board and is just 100% on the jock of only a single player. OP "ILOVEKOBEILOVEKOBEILOVEKOBEILOVEKOBEILOVEKOBE" all day every day. What a joke.

[La Frescobaldi]

no.

Yes.

[Stringer Bell]

no.

Yes.

[9erempiree]

Good discussion but nobody has convinced us otherwise.

[9erempiree]

Lets put this into perspective. 30k club is very exclusive and to lead that club in assists is like leading the entire history in assists.

:applause:

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Lets put this into perspective. 30k club is very exclusive and to lead that club in assists is like leading the entire history in assists.

:applause:
What an incredibly ignorant thing to say.

[ImKobe]

Lets put this into perspective. 30k club is very exclusive and to lead that club in assists is like leading the entire history in assists.

:applause:

I think it's a much more impressive feat. Try averaging 5-6 assists a game while putting up 25-35 points a night.

[9erempiree]

I think it's a much more impressive feat. Try averaging 5-6 assists a game while putting up 25-35 points a night.

yep.