Hypocrisies in feminism

[Nick Young]

According to feminists:

Peaches-'a strong an empowered feminist icon in control of her sexuality and not afraid to express herself'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CLt8xIVp4E
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/4664/1841/1600/369460/Peaches_Fillmore_OvaHere_08052006%20(16)__w500.jpg


Beyonce, Rihanna and Shakira-nothing but sexual objects perpetuating the patriarchy. Poor naive women whose bodies are being exploited by evil men in suits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3mP3mJDL2k

http://icydk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/riri-shakira-e1391197959826.jpg


Why is peaches female empowerment and Shakira represents female suppression, according to feminists?:confusedshrug: Seems to me that because Peaches isn't hot, it's empowering for her to grind audience members heads while dressed in thongs. If Shakira does it, because she is fine as hell, she's nothing but a sexual object.:facepalm Feminism is basically an excuse for girls to slag on hot chicks without coming off as jelly.

Shit like this is the reason people shouldn't take feminism seriously. Too many holes in the theory and logic.

[niko]

Do you wake up in the morning and think about feminism?

[Nick Young]

Do you wake up in the morning and think about feminism?
I think about many things dawg.

If reading about hypocrisy in feminism upsets you, feel free to not post about it :)

[Jailblazers7]

A lot of women I know consider Shakira and Beyonce as feminist heroes. But I do think it's a fair criticism that attractive women get unfairly criticized by some feminists.

[nathanjizzle]

Women are gonna be women. their confusing minds aren't something that a man should logically try to decipher.

[Akrazotile]

Who the **** is peaches :biggums:

[Nick Young]

Blurred Lines video-

The concept was created by a woman, the video was directed by a woman, the video stars women.

The women in the video had interviews here they said they loved filming the video and had a lot of fun shooting it. They made lots of money and received lots of fame. Emma Ratajkowski is one of the top models in the world now, partly due to the hype that video got her.

But according to feminists, the women in this video were unfairly exploited by evil Robin Thicke. He had nothing to do with the creation of the video but he is entirely to blame. The women in the video were forced to 'do things they didn't want to do'


Also Blurred Lines is a 'rape anthem' because it has the line "You know you want it" which apparently is code for "I want to rape you"

I post about this shit so much because in my old office job I was surrounded by hardcore feminists all the time and had to put up with their hypocritical bullshit on a daily basis.

The biggest social justice warrior was always doing things like looking up tumblr blogs of naked men and cats, then loudly talking about it to everyone in the office.

If I or another male had been looking at blogs of naked women and cats, and yelling about it, we would probably be fired, and labeled sex predators, and misogynists.

But in feminist land, it's ok for women to look at sexually objectifying porn during work hours, and have nothing happen to them.

And if you say anything questioning the hypocrisy, like I am right now, you get told 'wah wah wah stop whining' or 'you are a misogynist'

I want equal pay and rights for everyone regardless of gender. Feminism doesn't want that. Feminism wants for women to be able to have their cake and eat it too. 3rd wave feminism is a toxic ideology that is ruining society and promotes female dominance, rather then equality, as well as artistic censorship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HO_S0zZDms

[niko]

Who the **** is peaches :biggums:
A stripper clearly, her name is peaches.

[Nick Young]

Who the **** is peaches :biggums:
a feminist icon that we were taught about in university as being some brilliant musical artist. Turns out her music is shit and all she does is grind on dudes while singing about wanting to phuck them, and isnt that hot

[JohnFreeman]

Women just need to accept that they are here to reproduce, cook, clean and fvck.

[senelcoolidge]

Feminism is politicized. Groups such as NOW and others are garbage. Other groups probably started with good intentions are the same..bought out and political..such as the NAACP, ACLU, and others.

[Akrazotile]

a feminist icon that we were taught about in university


Damn, thats what thousands of $ in tuition costs buys nowadays??


Glad as phuck I dropped out when I did.

[Nick Young]

Damn, thats what thousands of $ in tuition costs buys nowadays??


Glad as phuck I dropped out when I did.
forreal dawg.

And if you question anything said in these MANDATORY feminism classes, you get shot down and yelled at by the professor and entire class, even if all you're doing as ASKING a question:lol

Uni ain't shit these days unless you're doing something useful like medicine, engineering or law.

[Nanners]

what kind of shit university are you attending that has mandatory feminism classes? this doesnt exist in the states.

[NumberSix]

Feminism is pretty much ugly women hating on pretty women and promoting Marxism/communism.

[Nick Young]

what kind of shit university are you attending that has mandatory feminism classes? this doesnt exist in the states.
it was called Visual Communication in the Media or some shit, but for all intents and purposes was feminism 101 because every lecture was about feminist theory and every topic was somehow spun in to women being repressed.:facepalm

But I did go to a shit university as well, I will tell you that much

[Nick Young]

Feminism is pretty much ugly women hating on pretty women and promoting Marxism/communism.
Yes that's exactly the impression I got! But you can't say this shit to people or you get branded a hateful misogynist!:lol

[Nanners]

it was called Visual Communication in the Media or some shit, but for all intents and purposes was feminism 101 because every lecture was about feminist theory and every topic was somehow spun in to women being repressed.:facepalm

But I did go to a shit university as well, I will tell you that much

thats the name of a required course? :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

thats the name of a required course? :oldlol:
yes it was something bullshit like that, maybe it was called Media Studies or something but it was really just feminism 101.

Yes, my uni was quite shit-let's just say it was not on the same spectrum as Oxford or Cambridge XD

[NumberSix]

what kind of shit university are you attending that has mandatory feminism classes? this doesnt exist in the states.
He's in England, which has a horrifically left wing school system. Unles of course you attend one of the countless government funded islamic school.

All schools in England teach that English people don't exist and are inherently bad oppressive people.

[Myth]

a feminist icon that we were taught about in university as being some brilliant musical artist. Turns out her music is shit and all she does is grind on dudes while singing about wanting to phuck them, and isnt that hot

You must have went to a shit university if they taught you about Peaches :biggums:

I actually saw Peaches live once. They were terrible and I left in the middle of their show because their music was terrible (I went to see Eagles of Death Metal open for them, but sadly they were terrible too).

[Myth]

But I did go to a shit university as well, I will tell you that much

Aw, ok, well at least you know.

[Akrazotile]

Actually when I was briefly attending OSU, the English course I took was taught by some TA who was an obvious lesbian, which is not a problem in itself, but practically everything we read had themes of gender equality or someone coming to grips with their sexuality and all that sort of stuff.

Thats pretty much what you pay for from college these days. Watching some guy or gal huff and puff their social/politicial viewpoints from a soapbox for 45 minutes. Blatant waste of time and money.

Thats why its called a school. Big school of fish just swimming in whatever direction the rest of the group is swimming. And the funny thing is, none of it actually prepares you to swim with the sharks when youre done.

[Myth]

Actually when I was briefly attending OSU, the English course I took was taught by some TA who was an obvious lesbian, which is not a problem in itself, but practically everything we read had themes of gender equality or someone coming to grips with their sexuality and all that sort of stuff.

Thats pretty much what you pay for from college these days. Watching some guy or gal huff and puff their social/politicial viewpoints from a soapbox for 45 minutes. Blatant waste of time and money.

Thats why its called a school. Big school of fish just swimming in whatever direction the rest of the group is swimming. And the funny thing is, none of it actually prepares you to swim with the sharks when youre done.

It prepared me :confusedshrug:

I think you need to have some self direction and know what you want to get out of school. I know many people who went to school and just got through it with no direction, and when they were spit out the other end, they had a diploma but no idea what to do with it.

[Akrazotile]

It prepared me :confusedshrug:



In what ways?

Note that I dont mean it may not fulfill a token requirement to get a particular job. Obviously in the current backward system it often does. But how does it actually prepare you in terms of personal development to succeed in life?

[Nanners]

Thats why its called a school. Big school of fish just swimming in whatever direction the rest of the group is swimming. And the funny thing is, none of it actually prepares you to swim with the sharks when youre done.
:oldlol:

because you are such a strong swimmer today, right? remind me what you do for a living right now.

[Nick Young]

Actually when I was briefly attending OSU, the English course I took was taught by some TA who was an obvious lesbian, which is not a problem in itself, but practically everything we read had themes of gender equality or someone coming to grips with their sexuality and all that sort of stuff.

Thats pretty much what you pay for from college these days. Watching some guy or gal huff and puff their social/politicial viewpoints from a soapbox for 45 minutes. Blatant waste of time and money.

Thats why its called a school. Big school of fish just swimming in whatever direction the rest of the group is swimming. And the funny thing is, none of it actually prepares you to swim with the sharks when youre done.
You are right. All it prepares you to do is be a good little office drone in the work force and fit in to others in 9-5 jobs. University teaches compliance and not much else that is useful.

Unfortunately, most of the world is still under the impression you need to go to university to have any chance at being successful:lol

[BlackWhiteGreen]

He's in England, which has a horrifically left wing school system. Unles of course you attend one of the countless government funded islamic school.

All schools in England teach that English people don't exist and are inherently bad oppressive people.

Seems a fair assumption to make from 5000 miles away

[Myth]

In what ways?

Note that I dont mean it may not fulfill a token requirement to get a particular job. Obviously in the current backward system it often does. But how does it actually prepare you in terms of personal development to succeed in life?

I meant it prepared me for my career. Because I had a direction career wise, I was able to take classes that prepared me for said career.

[Akrazotile]

I meant it prepared me for my career. Because I had a direction career wise, I was able to take classes that prepared me for said career.


For sure. Obviously some classes usually relate to your chosen career field and thats helpful.

But what percentage of classes you took throughout the course of getting a degree would you say were directly useful to you? Arent you a therapist or something? (Or maybe Im confusing you with a diff poster). Were the mandatory math and english and elective credits you had to pay thousands for of much use when it came time to practice?

Could you have skipped half the course load over that four years and still been equally as prepared?

[niko]

For sure. Obviously some classes usually relate to your chosen career field and thats helpful.

But what percentage of classes you took throughout the course of getting a degree would you say were directly useful to you? Arent you a therapist or something? (Or maybe Im confusing you with a diff poster). Were the mandatory math and english and elective credits you had to pay thousands for of much use when it came time to practice?

Could you have skipped half the course load over that four years and still been equally as prepared?
Yes. But there is something to being willing to do what is asked even if it's not perfectly matched to what you want to do, and especially if it may help and you can't see how. The working world, if you are going to fight tooth and nail every request based on not wanting to waste time, honestly you'll waste a lot of time.

I'd say 25% of what i took was utter shit, about 50% related, and about 25% related in some way that was a stretch. But i had a focused major (accounting) which required a lot of credits in the major. If you are just doing some general major, college can be a enormous waste of resources.

[Myth]

For sure. Obviously some classes usually relate to your chosen career field and thats helpful.

But what percentage of classes you took throughout the course of getting a degree would you say were directly useful to you? Arent you a therapist or something? (Or maybe Im confusing you with a diff poster). Were the mandatory math and english and elective credits you had to pay thousands for of much use when it came time to practice?

Could you have skipped half the course load over that four years and still been equally as prepared?

You are thinking of the correct poster. Math and English were definitely useful. I have to do a lot of writing for work, so being able to write professionally is important for many reasons. I went further in math than I needed to (Calc 2) because I originally was looking at a bio major. Even though I didn't need to go that far, I definitely need math for statistics in my line of work. If I went the research route, I would have needed it more, but I do still need it for interpreting research findings.

My art credits were unnecessary, but I don't regret taking them for the sake of being able to create some nice shit for fun. My poly sci classes were unnecessary, but it helped me have at least somewhat of a better idea of US politics. Bio in hindsight was unnecessary since I changed majors, by it is again nice having some above basic knowledge of how the world works. So, yeah, I took some classes that don't directly impact me or my career, but I appreciate knowledge.

I view it like Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. If you go to college and don't get from it what you need for a job, and thus income for food, home, family, etc, you will likely come away from it pretty pissed and feel you have wasted your time. If you are like me and got from college what you needed, then you can also appreciate the side classes you took and achieve the top of Maslow's hierarchy, self-actualization.

[RidonKs]

thread should be called "hypocrisies in nick young" or better yet "hypocrisies in everyone"

[Nick Young]

thread should be called "hypocrisies in nick young" or better yet "hypocrisies in everyone"
Dawg, do female professional tennis players deserve to be payed the same as males, despite playing two sets less per match and drawing in less TV ratings and less money in terms of ticket sales?:confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

You are thinking of the correct poster. Math and English were definitely useful. I have to do a lot of writing for work, so being able to write professionally is important for many reasons. I went further in math than I needed to (Calc 2) because I originally was looking at a bio major. Even though I didn't need to go that far, I definitely need math for statistics in my line of work. If I went the research route, I would have needed it more, but I do still need it for interpreting research findings.

My art credits were unnecessary, but I don't regret taking them for the sake of being able to create some nice shit for fun. My poly sci classes were unnecessary, but it helped me have at least somewhat of a better idea of US politics. Bio in hindsight was unnecessary since I changed majors, by it is again nice having some above basic knowledge of how the world works. So, yeah, I took some classes that don't directly impact me or my career, but I appreciate knowledge.

I view it like Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. If you go to college and don't get from it what you need for a job, and thus income for food, home, family, etc, you will likely come away from it pretty pissed and feel you have wasted your time. If you are like me and got from college what you needed, then you can also appreciate the side classes you took and achieve the top of Maslow's hierarchy, self-actualization.
do you think you learned things in these classes that you couldn't have learned if you had decided to take the initiative and do the research for yourself?:confusedshrug:

Universities back in the day encouraged genuine academic study. Now it's just all about hoop jumping.

[Nanners]

I originally said this several months ago, but i think this is a good opportunity to repeat myself -

The value of a college education is not simply the ability to get a good job in a STEM field. Many classes like Philosophy and Literature are considered to be "useless" because you cant use them to get a job, but that is losing sight of the entire point of education in the first place. College was never about getting a job historically, it was about improving your intellectual capabilities. One of the most important skills you aquire at college is the ability to think logically and critically, to form rational thoughts and coherent arguments that stand up in the face of criticism, and these abilities are honed during these "useless" liberal arts classes like Philosophy.

Take a look at the two posters in this thread who have been talking about the uselessness of college, think about the previous posts you have read from these two clowns on this website. Neither of them have any ability to think critically or form rational arguments. They would both benefit tremendously from a well rounded college education.

[niko]

Dawg, do female professional tennis players deserve to be payed the same as males, despite playing two sets less per match and drawing in less TV ratings and less money in terms of ticket sales?:confusedshrug:
Depends how much they bring in. I think you picked a terrible example, plenty of times in history the women have easily outdrew the men. I get your point but wrong example. There are like 100 sports examples better than that.

Good example is that Mone girl. People were arguing she'd "open up baseball for women". What? Baseball will let anyone play IF YOU CAN PLAY. Women can;t, not at that level. But people were arguing that no women played due to sexism!

[Akrazotile]

do you think you learned things in these classes that you couldn't have learned if you had decided to take the initiative and do the research for yourself?:confusedshrug:

Universities back in the day encouraged genuine academic study. Now it's just all about hoop jumping.



^ This sums it up nicely.


Nobody (in this thread) is discouraging learning. My point is that millions of kids are going into debt bc they buy education in a sellers market when they could achieve the same result going to the library for free. They think they "have to" go to college automatically or there is no hope for them ever making a decent income. Its become this ingrained mindset that nobody even questions anymore. Its a fallacy. The actual value of college tuition has become grossly over-inflated.

[Nanners]

^ This sums it up nicely.


Nobody (in this thread) is discouraging learning. My point is that millions of kids are going into debt bc they buy education in a sellers market when they could achieve the same result going to the library for free. They think they "have to" go to college automatically or there is no hope for them ever making a decent income. Its become this ingrained mindset that nobody even questions anymore. Its a fallacy. The actual value of college tuition has become grossly over-inflated.
if you really think you can achieve the same result by simply reading books at the library as you get taking classes where you have group discussions and receive feedback on your thoughts from an expert in the field.... well, its not hard to see why you had to drop out of OSU

[Jailblazers7]

^ This sums it up nicely.


Nobody (in this thread) is discouraging learning. My point is that millions of kids are going into debt bc they buy education in a sellers market when they could achieve the same result going to the library for free. They think they "have to" go to college automatically or there is no hope for them ever making a decent income. The actual value of college tuition has become grossly over-inflated.

Sure, my university experience involved a lot of hoop jumping but I also learned a lot of great things in literature, psychology, philosophy, etc that I'd have a much more difficult time doing on my own. Having access to quality teachers and a group of peers also interested in learning/discussing diverse subjects was invaluable to me during my college years. You can learn a lot on your own but being an autodidact is a genuine talent that many lack.

[Nick Young]

I originally said this several months ago, but i think this is a good opportunity to repeat myself -

The value of a college education is not simply the ability to get a good job in a STEM field. Many classes like Philosophy and Literature are considered to be "useless" because you cant use them to get a job, but that is losing sight of the entire point of education in the first place. College was never about getting a job historically, it was about improving your intellectual capabilities. One of the most important skills you aquire at college is the ability to think logically and critically, to form rational thoughts and coherent arguments that stand up in the face of criticism, and these abilities are honed during these "useless" liberal arts classes like Philosophy.

Take a look at the two posters in this thread who have been talking about the uselessness of college, think about the previous posts you have read from these two clowns on this website. Neither of them have any ability to think critically or form rational arguments. They would both benefit tremendously from a well rounded college education.
What is stopping you from reading books on your own, and researching new books on the internet and then reading them? Why do you need to go to university to have them tell you what books you should read, and how you should read them?:confusedshrug: If people are truly interested in something, they won't need a uni professor to tell them to do it.

[Nanners]

What is stopping you from reading books on your own, and researching new books on the internet and then reading them? Why do you need to go to university to have them tell you what books you should read, and how you should read them?:confusedshrug: If people are truly interested in something, they won't need a uni professor to tell them to do it.

some things you cant learn by just reading a book. for example, you wont learn to think critically by simply reading a book on philosophy.

[Nick Young]

if you really think you can achieve the same result by simply reading books at the library as you get taking classes where you have group discussions and receive feedback on your thoughts from an expert in the field.... well, its not hard to see why you had to drop out of OSU
What's stopping you from talking about things with your friends? Why is talking to random ass kids in university more valuable then talking to normal kids who aren't in university?:confusedshrug: What's stopping anyone from doing this?

Why do they need to be forced by their teacher and threatened with failure before they actually pick up a book in the subject they apparently love so much? :confusedshrug:

[Nanners]

What's stopping you from talking about things with your friends? Why is talking to random ass kids in university more valuable then talking to normal kids who aren't in university?:confusedshrug: What's stopping anyone from doing this?

nothing is stopping you from doing this, this is a great thing to do. but its still not a good substitute for school.


Why do they need to be forced by their teacher and threatened with failure before they actually pick up a book in the subject they apparently love so much? :confusedshrug:
is this sentence supposed to make sense? thank you for proving my point about how a college education is important in helping people form rational and coherent arguments. nobody is "forced" to go to college.

[Nick Young]

some things you cant learn by just reading a book. for example, you wont learn to think critically by simply reading a book on philosophy.
You learn ho to think critically by having problems put in front of you, and solving them. That is why apprenticeships are more useful then university educations. In apprenticeships you actually DO THINGS. In university, you just learn the theory in how to do things, WITHOUT ACTUALLY DOING THINGS.

And still there is this snobbery out there in the general population that apprenticeships are for idiots, and university education is for the intellectually elite.:facepalm

Glad that many US employers are starting to hire apprentices ahead of uni graduates, even in fields like engineering. Not because the apprentice accepts a cut rate price, but because the apprentice has not only theoretical knowledge, but also EXPERIENCE with problem solving. That's the problem with university. Too much theorycrafting does nothing but create a bunch of lazy conceptualists.

If everyone has a degree, a degree doesn't mean shit. And sadly, university level education HAS GOTTEN EASIER over the years, to accommodate all the stupid people being let in to college now who would not have been accepted in the past but are now given state sponsored scholarships.

[Nick Young]

is this sentence supposed to make sense? thank you for proving my point about how a college education is important in helping people form rational and coherent arguments. nobody is "forced" to go to college.
LOL there's the snobbery again.

Allow me to explain things in simple terms, that you are able to understand :)

A kid takes an English literature course, majors in English literature.

The professor tells the class to read Wuthering Heights.

The kid had no intentions of picking this book up before the professor made him. The kid only read the book because he was afraid of failing the course, not because he actually has a passion for gobbling up English literature. The kid did not engage in any critical thinking whilst reading the book, and instead just listened to his professors interpretation of things, in order to not fail the test that he knew was coming up.

The kid did not enjoy reading Wuthering Heights and did not critically engage with the story whilst reading it, because he was only reading it because someone else told him to read it, and because of his fear of failing the course.

How is that useful for anyone involved? That shit happens with so many kids at uni. If a kid doesn't have passion for learning, why should that kid be in university instead of doing something useful with their time? Oh wait, because the negative social stigma of not going to university. I wonder who benefits from that negative social stigma-oh wait that's right, state sponsored for-profit universities and colleges:banghead:

[niko]

It's ridiculous that some people on this board think that the simplistic arguing they do is similar to the thinking you get from an education. People on this board do the following.
1) Decide in advance their position.
2) Do really quick and pointed searching (not research) to find statement which back them up. List them out.
3) Never listen to the totality of anyone else's argument, never entertain the other argument might be right (and drawn from) and instead just pick at individual pieces they don't like. Using the same quick, non scientific searching for facts as in step 2.

"It's the same as college". Not really. In college you're forced to deal with other people's ideas and opinions and explain other people's thoughts, if you agree with them or not. You can't just dismiss them in summation like you do here.

People argue real life events on this board to the level of facebook conversations and act like they are experts on everything. It's pretty funny.

[kentatm]

forreal dawg.

And if you question anything said in these MANDATORY feminism classes, you get shot down and yelled at by the professor and entire class, even if all you're doing as ASKING a question:lol

Uni ain't shit these days unless you're doing something useful like medicine, engineering or law.


makes sense that you are type of smug douchebag that asks smug douchehbag questions in a smug douchebag way during class and then pats himself on the back for teaching bad old teacher whats what while everyone else just shakes their head at what a smug douchebag you are.

[Nick Young]

makes sense that you are type of smug douchebag that asks smug douchehbag questions in a smug douchebag way during class and then pats himself on the back for teaching bad old teacher whats what while everyone else just shakes their head at what a smug douchebag you are.
No. Actually I'd just politely ask questions when an opinion that was being taught as stone cold fact had several logical holes in it.

Now I am being mocked for asking questions in a university class, and questioning my surroundings-I thought that's what university was all about doe:hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[Myth]

do you think you learned things in these classes that you couldn't have learned if you had decided to take the initiative and do the research for yourself?:confusedshrug:

Universities back in the day encouraged genuine academic study. Now it's just all about hoop jumping.

I'm not convinced I would have taken the initiative myself.

[Myth]

^ This sums it up nicely.


Nobody (in this thread) is discouraging learning. My point is that millions of kids are going into debt bc they buy education in a sellers market when they could achieve the same result going to the library for free. They think they "have to" go to college automatically or there is no hope for them ever making a decent income. Its become this ingrained mindset that nobody even questions anymore. Its a fallacy. The actual value of college tuition has become grossly over-inflated.

I definitely think colleges are taking advantage of students now that society expects degrees. They see that the youth feel they must go to college and will go no matter what the cost, so the colleges jack the prices year after year. Loan companies are also taking advantage.

[RidonKs]

Dawg, do female professional tennis players deserve to be payed the same as males, despite playing two sets less per match and drawing in less TV ratings and less money in terms of ticket sales?:confusedshrug:
if you honestly gave a shit i might have cause to answer

[RidonKs]

What's stopping you from talking about things with your friends? Why is talking to random ass kids in university more valuable then talking to normal kids who aren't in university? What's stopping anyone from doing this?
this is such a dumb argument

what we're suggesting to you is that school isn't about the resources. it's not a great place to learn new things because it has a bunch of books and computers and smart people hanging around. it promotes a culture of free exchange of persuasive and descriptive ideas that enlighten people with perspectives to which they hadn't already been exposed.

what's stopping you from learning quantum mechanics? all the information is out there, that much is obvious. and learning such a difficult science would clearly be useful for me in my life. but i don't bother to learn it... even though all the information is a button click away. why is that?

it's the same reason the majority of people i meet in this world aren't interested in literature. it's hard. to remove the humanities from advanced education would be suicide for those subjects of inquiry. they require an institutional structure as an incentive for people to discover them.

[Akrazotile]

if you really think you can achieve the same result by simply reading books at the library as you get taking classes where you have group discussions and receive feedback on your thoughts from an expert in the field.... well, its not hard to see why you had to drop out of OSU



I guess it all depends. For me, having a group discussion with a classroom full of people like you everyday would not be worth 5-10k a year, as it would actually reduce my intellect.

But hey man, pay whatever you want for group discussion. Or rather, whatever they want. It's your dime.

[Nanners]

I guess it all depends. For me, having a group discussion with a classroom full of people like you everyday would not be worth 5-10k a year, as it would actually reduce my intellect.

But hey man, pay whatever you want for group discussion. Or rather, whatever they want. It's your dime.

yeah i can see how you wouldnt like having a group discussion with people like me, you do seem to hate people who actually call you out on the weak ass bullshit arguments you are always throwing around. as you probably learned first hand at OSU before you dropped out, in college you cant respond to another students/teachers argument with your usual rebuttal "you are wrong cuz your just another dumb sheep and puzzy ass liberal".

i wouldnt worry about reducing your intellect though, doubt thats even possible. its like dividing by zero or some shit.

[Nick Young]

the snobbish middle class elitism grows strong in this thread:lol

[BlackWhiteGreen]

I learnt a lot at Uni, applied it in practical classes weekly, and got accredited to do the career I thought I wanted when I applied. If that's what I had wanted to do (Biomedical Science), it was perfect.

Honestly, even if I hadn't known what I wanted to do, I'd have gone anyway. People who go to uni earn more on average. I got the job I have now because I have a degree, it set me apart. Could I have got it without? Probably, but based on the people in my job at the same level, it would have taken me until I was about 24. I'm 2 years ahead, and had 3 years to **** about, drink a shitload of booze and learn about something I enjoyed (even if I didn't want a career in it).

[longhornfan1234]

Feminism is pretty much ugly women hating on pretty women and promoting Marxism/communism.
:biggums:

[LJJ]

The leaks are really bringing out the SJW's and feminazi's.

All these people talking about how looking at leaked pictures should qualify as sexual molestation. I wonder how many of them looked at Anthony Weiner's leaked pictures and leaked text messages and criticized him for it, and if they consider themselves sex offenders now?

[niko]

The leaks are really bringing out the SJW's and feminazi's.

All these people talking about how looking at leaked pictures should qualify as sexual molestation. I wonder how many of them looked at Anthony Weiner's leaked pictures and leaked text messages and criticized him for it, and if they consider themselves sex offenders now?
It's stupid, the reason there aren't more male nude pictures is they couldn't find them. Especially if they were sexually explicit. A LIst male actor trumps C list female idol easily in terms of attention. Me just don't send those type of pictures or keep them on their phone. Plus these are all young girls, they are sending the pictures, men again don't do that.

[CeltsGarlic]

I guess it all depends. For me, having a group discussion with a classroom full of people like you everyday would not be worth 5-10k a year, as it would actually reduce my intellect.

But hey man, pay whatever you want for group discussion. Or rather, whatever they want. It's your dime.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/bsflag.gif

its not all that

[BlackWhiteGreen]

It's stupid, the reason there aren't more male nude pictures is they couldn't find them. Especially if they were sexually explicit. A LIst male actor trumps C list female idol easily in terms of attention. Me just don't send those type of pictures or keep them on their phone. Plus these are all young girls, they are sending the pictures, men again don't do that.

Yeahh I have to agree that you just can't see A list male celebrities being that stupid. If di Caprio or Depp or someone got caught then there would be as much exposure, even if there wouldn't be hundreds of articles defending men's right to privacy.


All these people talking about how looking at leaked pictures should qualify as sexual molestation. I wonder how many of them looked at Anthony Weiner's leaked pictures and leaked text messages and criticized him for it, and if they consider themselves sex offenders now?

Yep, all these women objecting will no doubt have seen the photos too.

[JohnFreeman]

"We don't objectify men"

Magic Mike: $113 million dollar gross

[Nick Young]

The leaks are really bringing out the SJW's and feminazi's.

All these people talking about how looking at leaked pictures should qualify as sexual molestation. I wonder how many of them looked at Anthony Weiner's leaked pictures and leaked text messages and criticized him for it, and if they consider themselves sex offenders now?
Why don't they say this when Vanessa Hudgens and Rihanna pics got leaked? Is it only because they love Jennifer Lawrence?

I smell some more hypocrisies in the air

[RidonKs]

You learn ho to think critically by having problems put in front of you, and solving them. That is why apprenticeships are more useful then university educations. In apprenticeships you actually DO THINGS. In university, you just learn the theory in how to do things, WITHOUT ACTUALLY DOING THINGS.

this is spot on btw, your problem is you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. the theory IS important and the evidence for that is everywhere around you.

[Nick Young]

this is spot on btw, your problem is you're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. the theory IS important and the evidence for that is everywhere around you.
In apprenticeships you learn THEORY and GAIN EXPERIENCE. Uni is just theory in most cases.

[RidonKs]

In apprenticeships you learn THEORY and GAIN EXPERIENCE. Uni is just theory in most cases.
name an apprenticeship as an example and let's take a look at it

i think we probably agree on a common definition of "GAIN EXPERIENCE". what we disagree on is a common definition/understanding of "THEORY".

if i get hooked up as an intern in a big financial institution, a small law firm, a mechanics garage, any small business whatsoever... i will gain crucial experience in the real world. but if i haven't already begun to explore the academic humanities and spent some time interacting with people and discussing the nature of our society, i think i would lose out on important understanding.

of course it's true that i can much more easily be a success in the real world ie. make a living out of an apprenticeship than i can make a living out of an anthropology degree. and in fact if during this apprenticeship i build a real bond with my master/advisor that can blossom and bear fruit over many years, well that's almost definitely going to be far more valuable than whatever relationship i manage to build with my favourite professor who has a few dozen others pursuing the same thing under his expertise.

but what you continue to miss is the value of the principle of higher education; a free exchange of ideas in a formal setting. universities everywhere fall short of that ideal in many ways obviously but it doesn't mean we can't approximate it going forward.

[niko]

In apprenticeships you learn THEORY and GAIN EXPERIENCE. Uni is just theory in most cases.
We went through this before, there are a lot of jobs where the complexity is such that you need to understand a lot of underlying information, not just "do it and learn it". You also need to learn to do the type of critical thinking required to understand those complexities.

We always had interns at work, the difference between a first year and a fourth year is the first year is doing things rote as you tell them and a fourth year knows why they are doing it. For really basic work rote is fine, for things more complex, you need the underlying theory. And let me tell you, there is no time for the master to sit and give his apprentice actual classes in theory.

I'm assuming whatever you do is simplistic to the point it can be learned on the fly because that's how you see the world.

[niko]

name an apprenticeship as an example and let's take a look at it

i think we probably agree on a common definition of "GAIN EXPERIENCE". what we disagree on is a common definition/understanding of "THEORY".

if i get hooked up as an intern in a big financial institution, a small law firm, a mechanics garage, any small business whatsoever... i will gain crucial experience in the real world. but if i haven't already begun to explore the academic humanities and spent some time interacting with people and discussing the nature of our society, i think i would lose out on important understanding.

of course it's true that i can much more easily be a success in the real world ie. make a living out of an apprenticeship than i can make a living out of an anthropology degree. and in fact if during this apprenticeship i build a real bond with my master/advisor that can blossom and bear fruit over many years, well that's almost definitely going to be far more valuable than whatever relationship i manage to build with my favourite professor who has a few dozen others pursuing the same thing under his expertise.

but what you continue to miss is the value of the principle of higher education; a free exchange of ideas in a formal setting. universities everywhere fall short of that ideal in many ways obviously but it doesn't mean we can't approximate it going forward.

The people on this board can't see what you said because they don't exchange in transfer of ideas. They only listen to themselves. They'd completely miss the point of that kind of education.

[RidonKs]

The people on this board can't see what you said because they don't exchange in transfer of ideas. They only listen to themselves. They'd completely miss the point of that kind of education.
well that's just clearly not true

[niko]

well that's just clearly not true
Not everyone, i just mean some of the people in this discussion. Discussions on this board can be very myopic. People can be arguing based on a fact set that they find out is absolutely 100% wrong (which happens) and they will still argue endlessly.

[Nick Young]

name an apprenticeship as an example and let's take a look at it
......
but what you continue to miss is the value of the principle of higher education; a free exchange of ideas in a formal setting. universities everywhere fall short of that ideal in many ways obviously but it doesn't mean we can't approximate it going forward.
Electrical engineering is one example.

Universities used to be a free exchange of ideas in formal settings. Now they are institutionalized. Ideas are shot down if they go against the professors point of view. You aren't encouraged to think for yourself, you are encouraged have the same viewpoints and ideas as your teachers, and memorize information to fill in end of year tests and essays properly.


ANOTHER EXAMPLE-In many psychology courses around the UK, many muslim students are refusing to learn evolutionary psychology, because evolution goes against their religion. They walk out of the class and refuse to answer test questions. Because teachers are afraid of being Islamaphobic, they pass these students and give them degrees anyways. SO basically there are all these kids out there now with psychology degrees, able to practice psychology who aren't really qualified to do it, because they blocked out loads of lessons. What does a UK degree mean?


My last job was in the education sector. I sat in several meetings with VCs, deans and course leaders and had to listen to several episodes such as this that are occuring in unis all over the UK. I spoke to kids DOING MASTERS PROGRAMMES IN PSYCHOLOGY WHO DIDN'T KNOW WHO CARL JUNG WAS.

University educations are starting to mean jack shit. Unis are just doing their best to accept as many dumbasses in to their program as possible to get their loan money and then spit them out with degrees that they don't deserve. This is what happens when Liberal la la land encourages everyone to get degrees.

Also loads of kids are graduating uni expecting jobs to be handed to them on a silver platter-entitlement culture is taking over.

Maybe this is a UK specific problem, I wouldn't know.

[Nick Young]

We went through this before, there are a lot of jobs where the complexity is such that you need to understand a lot of underlying information, not just "do it and learn it". You also need to learn to do the type of critical thinking required to understand those complexities.

You are acting like they don't teach theory and underlying information in apprenticeships:facepalm Don't be elitist bro!

[niko]

Electrical engineering is one example.

Universities used to be a free exchange of ideas in formal settings. Now they are institutionalized. Ideas are shot down if they go against the professors point of view. You aren't encouraged to think for yourself, you are encouraged have the same viewpoints and ideas as your teachers, and memorize information to fill in end of year tests and essays properly.
My dad is an electrician. He was sent to classes in the air force, he studied later on in classes too. It depends on the complexity of problem you are facing. He didn't learn everything by apprenticing. Con Edison (the provider in NY) sends their electricians to school. You're right, but you're not just because you're a bit too far in one direction.

Not all universities are like you are describing btw. I had the experience you are talking about at times (it's awful) BUT I also had the experience Ridonks is talking about. There were classes that were beyond pointless but some of the unrelated stuff I was asked to take did contain information that was helpful, or just methodology i could use on other things.

You kind of get out of it what you put into it. If you go into it with the idea this is useless crap I'm being forced to do then good luck on it being positive.

[niko]

You are acting like they don't teach theory and underlying information in apprenticeships:facepalm Don't be elitist bro!
Not to the degree necessary to do a lot of jobs. By nature these are jobs that require a lot of time on the job doing the actual work. you can't sit and teach a master class. Apprenticeships are working and watching, not classwork. If you want to pretend part of the apprenticeship is the part where you break out the books and the person teaches you like it's school, then yes, school is not needed. :lol

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Electrical engineering is one example.

Universities used to be a free exchange of ideas in formal settings. Now they are institutionalized. Ideas are shot down if they go against the professors point of view. You aren't encouraged to think for yourself, you are encouraged have the same viewpoints and ideas as your teachers, and memorize information to fill in end of year tests and essays properly.


ANOTHER EXAMPLE-In many psychology courses around the UK, many muslim students are refusing to learn evolutionary psychology, because evolution goes against their religion. They walk out of the class and refuse to answer test questions. Because teachers are afraid of being Islamaphobic, they pass these students and give them degrees anyways. SO basically there are all these kids out there now with psychology degrees, able to practice psychology who aren't really qualified to do it, because they blocked out loads of lessons. What does a UK degree mean?


My last job was in the education sector. I sat in several meetings with VCs, deans and course leaders and had to listen to several episodes such as this that are occuring in unis all over the UK. I spoke to kids DOING MASTERS PROGRAMMES IN PSYCHOLOGY WHO DIDN'T KNOW WHO CARL JUNG WAS.

University educations are starting to mean jack shit. Unis are just doing their best to accept as many dumbasses in to their program as possible to get their loan money and then spit them out with degrees that they don't deserve. This is what happens when Liberal la la land encourages everyone to get degrees.

Also loads of kids are graduating uni expecting jobs to be handed to them on a silver platter-entitlement culture is taking over.

Maybe this is a UK specific problem, I wouldn't know.

Name and shame then, which university? My dad's a lecturer and has never encountered anything like this.


Also loads of kids are graduating uni expecting jobs to be handed to them on a silver platter-entitlement culture is taking over.

That's just idiots being idiots.

[Nick Young]

My dad is an electrician. He was sent to classes in the air force, he studied later on in classes too. It depends on the complexity of problem you are facing. He didn't learn everything by apprenticing. Con Edison (the provider in NY) sends their electricians to school. You're right, but you're not just because you're a bit too far in one direction.

Not all universities are like you are describing btw. I had the experience you are talking about at times (it's awful) BUT I also had the experience Ridonks is talking about. There were classes that were beyond pointless but some of the unrelated stuff I was asked to take did contain information that was helpful, or just methodology i could use on other things.

You kind of get out of it what you put into it. If you go into it with the idea this is useless crap I'm being forced to do then good luck on it being positive.
I agree here.

My whole life I was taught to believe that university is like Ridonks is talking about it as, that getting in to uni was the most important thing, and how I would learn so much there.

Unfortunately when I got there, I guess I expected too much. Teachers where lazy, kids didn't give a phuck, the standards were garbage. Kids all around me seemed to have an attitude that once they have a degree they could just walk in to any job. Hardly anyone worked hard. I was being taught shit that I had already learned in 9th grade in America:facepalm I only succeeded and am doing decently these days BY IGNORING and GOING AGAINST most of the bullshit my professors told us to do.

The kids who my professors constantly lorded over all of us as golden saviors of design are now working in places like Autoglass window repair and Staples as sales assistants, so I am confidant I did the right thing not listening to these guys.


My uni was not great-but I did spend my first year in a very very good school (until I couldnt afford it anymore) and the attitudes of the profs and students was similar.


working in the education sector the previous year, I saw alot more shit. I know I sound like a dumbass on this site sometimes but that's just because I like to troll to get funny reactions. I had to sit in a lot of big wig meetings and read a bunch of reports and I saw first hand how this "Uni degrees for everyone" is just phucking up things.

Too many dumbasses who dont belong in uni are being accepted in to uni, because unis want their student loans. Also these dumbasses are being encouraged to go in to uni whereas in the older days they wouldn't have been, because clearly they are too stupid and unmotivated to handle it.

There is a PC way to say that, but I cant be phucked ^^^

So these dumbasses go to unis and do their best to drag back everything and everyone around them. Courses have to be simplified to accommodate the dumbasses who aren't qualified to be in the course in the first place.

They are fast tracked through the courses, because professors don't want to fail them, because it would mean having to teach them in class for another year.

Eventually all these dumbasses get out of uni with a shiny new degree. Employers give these kids a chance, and because they're unqualified and unmotivated dumbasses, they flounder. These dumbasses have cheapened the university degree for everyone.

ALSO-entitlement culture. Everyone has a degree, a degree doesn't mean shit, but still kids are graduating and expecting to be handed jobs on a silver platter. Then when they don't get the jobs, they moan and complain at their unis because they got low grades, so the unis comply by making the courses even simpler.

Maybe this is only a problem in UK higher education and not the US, I dunno.

[Nick Young]

Name and shame then, which university? My dad's a lecturer and has never encountered anything like this.


These assholes in vice chancellors groups have tried to get at me before when I have been whistleblowing the bullshit going on in their unis. I don't want this to somehow get back to them by posting the unis on a public forum. I will PM you :)

[RidonKs]

nick young

only skimmed your latest responses in this thread though they seem to be better thought out than others you have made so kudos!

thought you'd enjoy this

Grad Students Deconstruct Takeout Menu (http://www.theonion.com/articles/grad-student-deconstructs-takeout-menu,85/)

just stumbled across it but its a satirical bite at the point philosophy/humanities in general becomes a giant waste of time. which is true in many cases for many people. i see the same thing; grad students not knowing some pretty elementary shit.

what i maintain is that

a) its useful now even in its current state
b) we can make it more useful by toying around with the structure ie the relationship between universities and internships/co-ops (thats just one example there is all kinds of potential for change)

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Lulz.

Feminism slowly being planted in the minds of Muslim women... and soon enough AMISH AND MORMONS.

Gonna be an interesting world.

[niko]

I agree here.

My whole life I was taught to believe that university is like Ridonks is talking about it as, that getting in to uni was the most important thing, and how I would learn so much there.

Unfortunately when I got there, I guess I expected too much. Teachers where lazy, kids didn't give a phuck, the standards were garbage. Kids all around me seemed to have an attitude that once they have a degree they could just walk in to any job. Hardly anyone worked hard. I was being taught shit that I had already learned in 9th grade in America:facepalm I only succeeded and am doing decently these days BY IGNORING and GOING AGAINST most of the bullshit my professors told us to do.

The kids who my professors constantly lorded over all of us as golden saviors of design are now working in places like Autoglass window repair and Staples as sales assistants, so I am confidant I did the right thing not listening to these guys.


My uni was not great-but I did spend my first year in a very very good school (until I couldnt afford it anymore) and the attitudes of the profs and students was similar.


working in the education sector the previous year, I saw alot more shit. I know I sound like a dumbass on this site sometimes but that's just because I like to troll to get funny reactions. I had to sit in a lot of big wig meetings and read a bunch of reports and I saw first hand how this "Uni degrees for everyone" is just phucking up things.

Too many dumbasses who dont belong in uni are being accepted in to uni, because unis want their student loans. Also these dumbasses are being encouraged to go in to uni whereas in the older days they wouldn't have been, because clearly they are too stupid and unmotivated to handle it.

There is a PC way to say that, but I cant be phucked ^^^

So these dumbasses go to unis and do their best to drag back everything and everyone around them. Courses have to be simplified to accommodate the dumbasses who aren't qualified to be in the course in the first place.

They are fast tracked through the courses, because professors don't want to fail them, because it would mean having to teach them in class for another year.

Eventually all these dumbasses get out of uni with a shiny new degree. Employers give these kids a chance, and because they're unqualified and unmotivated dumbasses, they flounder. These dumbasses have cheapened the university degree for everyone.

ALSO-entitlement culture. Everyone has a degree, a degree doesn't mean shit, but still kids are graduating and expecting to be handed jobs on a silver platter. Then when they don't get the jobs, they moan and complain at their unis because they got low grades, so the unis comply by making the courses even simpler.

Maybe this is only a problem in UK higher education and not the US, I dunno.
It's a problem in the US but it's not everywhere. In the US cost is becoming the problem. So if you are going to school to learn or grow and not for a specific reason or job good luck with that unless you have shit tons of money. College is becoming expensive to a degree that it really is just an elitist institution.

[knickballer]

Lulz.

Feminism slowly being planted in the minds of Muslim women... and soon enough AMISH AND MORMONS.

Gonna be an interesting world.

If education and standard of living rises in the Middle East then I can definitely see feminism rising there. But at this rate I don't think so with the rise of radical Islam and with the population liking Sharia Islam(WTF). If you think about it the women in the region were more modern in the 60's, 70's and probably even 80's as the case was for muslim women in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon(don't really know situation today), possibly in parts in Turkey, probably Afghanistan and Pakistan, etc.


But I really don't understand feminists in the US and Western Europe. They protest for the dumbest of reasons and it makes you lose brain cells by listening to them. For example feminists in Norway(or one of those Scandinavian countries) protested that urinals are sexist(wtf?) and they always protest irrelevant and counter productive issues like if an organization fails to have a woman in a leading role or if a male actor says something derogatory about women they all piss their pants.

Not like women are discriminate against in the US either(quite the opposite) with all the laws and quotas that help them succeed. If feminists were really interested in women rights they would protest against Middle Eastern regimes but they probably think that's racist.

[senelcoolidge]

It's a problem in the US but it's not everywhere. In the US cost is becoming the problem. So if you are going to school to learn or grow and not for a specific reason or job good luck with that unless you have shit tons of money. College is becoming expensive to a degree that it really is just an elitist institution.

The middle class is shrinking. So it's basically going to be a rich elite class and a poor class. There needs to be a big shake up with the politicians. This corruption and destruction of the country needs to stop. But it won't happen because too many people are lazy and dumb. The mass influx of illegal immigration doesn't help. It benefits the politicians but it hurts everyone else. Many of the rich are the same people that are feminist or creating all of these problems. Supposedly the people that are trying to help us underprivileged. I agree these university's are bullshit. PC is out of control in these universities. It's a shame. I blame the stinking hippies.

[NumberSix]

If education and standard of living rises in the Middle East then I can definitely see feminism rising there. But at this rate I don't think so with the rise of radical Islam and with the population liking Sharia Islam(WTF). If you think about it the women in the region were more modern in the 60's, 70's and probably even 80's as the case was for muslim women in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon(don't really know situation today), possibly in parts in Turkey, probably Afghanistan and Pakistan, etc.


But I really don't understand feminists in the US and Western Europe. They protest for the dumbest of reasons and it makes you lose brain cells by listening to them. For example feminists in Norway(or one of those Scandinavian countries) protested that urinals are sexist(wtf?) and they always protest irrelevant and counter productive issues like if an organization fails to have a woman in a leading role or if a male actor says something derogatory about women they all piss their pants.

Not like women are discriminate against in the US either(quite the opposite) with all the laws and quotas that help them succeed. If feminists were really interested in women rights they would protest against Middle Eastern regimes but they probably think that's racist.
Feminism is nothing more than Marxism pretending to be something else.

[Nanners]

name an apprenticeship as an example and let's take a look at it

i think we probably agree on a common definition of "GAIN EXPERIENCE". what we disagree on is a common definition/understanding of "THEORY".

if i get hooked up as an intern in a big financial institution, a small law firm, a mechanics garage, any small business whatsoever... i will gain crucial experience in the real world. but if i haven't already begun to explore the academic humanities and spent some time interacting with people and discussing the nature of our society, i think i would lose out on important understanding.

of course it's true that i can much more easily be a success in the real world ie. make a living out of an apprenticeship than i can make a living out of an anthropology degree. and in fact if during this apprenticeship i build a real bond with my master/advisor that can blossom and bear fruit over many years, well that's almost definitely going to be far more valuable than whatever relationship i manage to build with my favourite professor who has a few dozen others pursuing the same thing under his expertise.

but what you continue to miss is the value of the principle of higher education; a free exchange of ideas in a formal setting. universities everywhere fall short of that ideal in many ways obviously but it doesn't mean we can't approximate it going forward.

great post, as usual.

[RidonKs]

Feminism is nothing more than Marxism pretending to be something else.
wtf are you talking about

money says you would have a hard time accurately defining both marxism and feminism

[NumberSix]

wtf are you talking about

money says you would have a hard time accurately defining both marxism and feminism
No, I very easily could, but I'm not going to write an essay just to prove something to you.

[RidonKs]

i never said you had to write an essay

my only point is that you pretty much equated marxism and feminism, or suggested one falls under the category of the other. which is imo almost completely false.

[NumberSix]

i never said you had to write an essay

my only point is that you pretty much equated marxism and feminism, or suggested one falls under the category of the other. which is imo almost completely false.
Then you're not very familiar with Marxism or you mistakenly think feminism is simply "we want the same rights as men".

[RidonKs]

Then you're not very familiar with Marxism or you mistakenly think feminism is simply "we want the same rights as men".
one of us is mistaken on definition. we can either leave it at calling each other wrong or you can offer up your definition since it was you who initially made the claim i had to take issue with, namely that marxism and feminism are... whatever you said. sorta kinda two sides of the same coin or whatever.

not that this conversation is particularly productive, these concepts don't mean a whole lot in the abstract. but i do think you're wrong in what you said and i do think our disagreement is a matter of definition.

[NumberSix]

one of us is mistaken on definition. we can either leave it at calling each other wrong or you can offer up your definition since it was you who initially made the claim i had to take issue with, namely that marxism and feminism are... whatever you said. sorta kinda two sides of the same coin or whatever.

not that this conversation is particularly productive, these concepts don't mean a whole lot in the abstract. but i do think you're wrong in what you said and i do think our disagreement is a matter of definition.
The issue with defining "feminism" is that in typical fashion of Marxist language, it is intentionally vague. The often will separate themselves as "culteral marxists" from "marxists" (economic marxist). It's all intentionally ambiguous.

I really don't care what you think on the subject as you are a blank slate. Now, I understand that you're not aware of that. You don't know that you don't know what you don't know.

You have a computer. It's not hard to look up the history of the feminist movement and it political goals.

Long story short......

Capitalism inherently breeds oppression, one of the brands being oppression of women. The only cure? A great socialist revolution.



I'm not going to write a giant essay, but here's the type of idiots you're dealing with. If you're interested in more information, look it up for yourself. I'm not going to do the work for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBDUv7sLNck

[Nick Young]

No coincidence that the biggest feminist social justice warrior whiners at UK universities are also the most hardcore marxists and stalinists, and even maoists:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Spoken as someone who had to deal with these assholes on a regular basis:facepalm

[LJJ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB6TiRJNI-Q


Maddox getting real with this shit.

[BoutPractice]

Feminists disagree on what feminism means, let's leave it at that.

But I do think there are similarities between hardcore feminism and marxism. The trappings are the same. Both ideologies come from a basic notion of injustice you can easily identify with, but have a problematic relation with violence that ultimately doom them to failure. They view the situation in conflictual terms, one side against the other.

Both hardcore feminism and marxism combine two traits that are historically very dangerous together:
- a broad, extensible definition of "oppression" and "violence"
- a "fight the oppressors" mentality (ie, because they're oppressing us we have a right to fight back)

In combination, they lead to the war of all against all, as in the cultural revolution.

Marxism, however, has been much more dangerous so far, because it is generally much more extreme in its will to "fight the oppressor", but somewhat more specific about what "oppression" means, whereas feminism is the exact reverse: almost insanely broad definition of oppression (some feminists have turned the identification of new examples of oppression into an art form), but much lower propensity to violence (at least so far, perhaps because women are less violent in general). So while feminism is conceptually dubious (you could say it only succeeds insofar as it is hopelessly vague and ineffectual), it's at least somewhat benign.

Interestingly, radical antislavery movements from the 19th century are on the opposite side of feminism: very narrowly defined enemy (slavery, and nothing but), justifying violent resistance. They've also proved to be far less dangerous than marxism, because the violence stops at some point, once the goal is reached.

So it does seem as the truly dangerous idea is not marxism per se, but more generally notions of "open ended conflict".

[dude77]

lol never listen to women's words .. they don't know what they mean when they talk .. you lead, they follow .

https://i.imgur.com/7lrGIuC.jpg

[NumberSix]

lol never listen to women's words .. they don't know what they mean when they talk .. you lead, they follow .

https://i.imgur.com/7lrGIuC.jpg
Bitches don

[diamenz]

bitches ain't shit but hoes & tricks.

[Ben Simmons 25]

bitches ain't shit but hoes & tricks.

lick on deez nuts and suck the dick
get the **** out after you're done
and I hops in my ride to make a quick run

[warriorfan]

We flip flop and serve hoes like flap jacks
(But we don

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Women just need to accept that they are here to reproduce, cook, clean and fvck.

Get that chauvinist filth out of here.

Raising children, managing homes, worshipping God, being their husbands partner are other duties they got to do.

Women are extremely important and have crucial duties for the welfare of humanity.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

No coincidence that the biggest feminist social justice warrior whiners at UK universities are also the most hardcore marxists and stalinists, and even maoists:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Spoken as someone who had to deal with these assholes on a regular basis:facepalm

They are probably less evil than the likes of you.