Apple's inferior products

[Mr.Kite]

Thanks Apple for getting your dumb iCloud hacked

[andgar923]

Not to come off as a fanboy or anything, but 10s of thousands of Gmail, Yahoo, Hotmail accounts get hacked every day. :confusedshrug:

Also, not all the pics being hacked are iPhones.

[SpecialQue]

Not to come off as a fanboy or anything, but 10s of thousands of Gmail, Yahoo, Hotmail accounts get hacked every day. :confusedshrug:

But how many of those hacks become national events?

[Bandito]

Not to come off as a fanboy or anything, but 10s of thousands of Gmail, Yahoo, Hotmail accounts get hacked every day. :confusedshrug:
When microsoft onedrive gets hacked then you can talk shit. Until that time happens people have the right to make fun of apple inferior security measures.

[chosen_one6]

Thanks Apple for getting your dumb iCloud hacked

The whole reputation about Apple and their products was that they could not be hacked or couldn't get viruses.

I don't know who spread this rumor out but a lot of people nowadays believe this garbage. Because of this, Apple does not take extra security measures to make sure their users' information is secure. Now maybe people will realize that Apple products are not what everyone thinks them to be.

[andgar923]

But how many of those hacks become national events?

Because nobody really cares? :confusedshrug:

It so happens that most of the celeb's whose pics were hacked were using iPhones.

Btw.... some of those phones were Android phones.:confusedshrug:

[andgar923]

When microsoft onedrive gets hacked then you can talk shit. Until that time happens people have the right to make fun of apple inferior security measures.

LOL who's talking shit? simply pointing out facts.

Nothing is inherently infinitively secure.

I don't think anybody has ever said that iCloud was incapable of being hacked into. It's happened in the past, it will happen again no matter what security measures are taken.

[SpecialQue]

Because nobody really cares? :confusedshrug:

It so happens that most of the celeb's whose pics were hacked were using iPhones.

Btw.... some of those phones were Android phones.:confusedshrug:

I'm just laughing my ass off because Apple's got an event coming up and this is taking the focus off their new iPhone and stupid iWatch.

[Rose]

Damn those inferior products for giving me nudes of women I thought I would never see naked.

http://robbinschevy.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/khan.gif

[Bandito]

The whole reputation about Apple and their products was that they could not be hacked or couldn't get viruses.

I don't know who spread this rumor out but a lot of people nowadays believe this garbage. Because of this, Apple does not take extra security measures to make sure their users' information is secure. Now maybe people will realize that Apple products are not what everyone thinks them to be.
The reason they dont get viruses is because viruses made for windows dont work on Apple, as simple as that. Most people dont know that though. One of the reasons I use my Linux to watch porn. Nobody cares about linux in order to make viruses for it.

[Bandito]

LOL who's talking shit? simply pointing out facts.

Nothing is inherently infinitively secure.

I don't think anybody has ever said that iCloud was incapable of being hacked into. It's happened in the past, it will happen again no matter what security measures are taken.
When I said you I meant all the apple stans.I should've specified.

[chosen_one6]

The reason they dont get viruses is because viruses made for windows dont work on Apple, as simple as that. Most people dont know that though. One of the reasons I use my Linux to watch porn. Nobody cares about linux in order to make viruses for it.

There are still viruses for the Linux operating system, there just aren't as many.

[andgar923]

The reason they dont get viruses is because viruses made for windows dont work on Apple, as simple as that. Most people dont know that though. One of the reasons I use my Linux to watch porn. Nobody cares about linux in order to make viruses for it.

Oh.. the old 2002 argument.

Nobody uses the 'security by obscurity' argument anymore dude, drop it.

[gts]

It wasn't a very sophisticated hack.. brute force attack through the "find my iphone" application

Apple already has patched it

the guy who ran the hack is giving away the code on github

[Bandito]

There are still viruses for the Linux operating system, there just aren't as many.
Less than Apple that's for sure.

[chosen_one6]

Less than Apple that's for sure.

Apple OS is based on Linux...

EDIT: No it's not

[Bandito]

Oh.. the old 2002 argument.

Nobody uses the 'security by obscurity' argument anymore dude, drop it.
Uh...so what I am saying is wrong then? ***** please...


Stop being such an apple stan. What I say is true. Viruses are code in different languages, in different OS and it can only target the OS it was program into. Sorry if that damages your view of how Apple products are so much better than Windows.

Fact: Viruses work on Windows don't work on Apple.

Fact: There are more viruses for Windows because it sold more than Apple over the decades

[Bandito]

Apple OS is based on Linux...
Apple is based on Unix, not Linux.

[chosen_one6]

Apple is based on Unix, not Linux.

Derp

[Bandito]

Derp
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[andgar923]

Uh...so what I am saying is wrong then? ***** please...


Stop being such an apple stan. What I say is true. Viruses are code in different languages, in different OS and it can only target the OS it was program into. Sorry if that damages your view of how Apple products are so much better than Windows.

Fact: Viruses work on Windows don't work on Apple.

Fact: There are more viruses for Windows because it sold more than Apple over the decades

The security by obscurity argument has been used for years, and has been proven wrong repeatedly.

Apple is inherently safer because it's based on UNIX and is programmed better as a whole.

[Nanners]

Thanks Apple for getting your dumb iCloud hacked
Has it been proven that apple was actually hacked? In a lot of those pictures, the people are using android phones. Why would pictures taken on a google phone be on iCloud? Did google get hacked too?

[Bandito]

The security by obscurity argument has been used for years, and has been proven wrong repeatedly.

Apple is inherently safer because it's based on UNIX and is programmed better as a whole.
Right and all viruses are made universally compatible like in real life...right ;)




Mac OS is programmed way better than Windows I won't deny that fact. But just because of that doesn't mean the viruses program in a certain OS will work on another one. Apple didn't sell a lot to businesses and the like, so people wouldn't program viruses for the Mac because it just wasn't profitable for them, so they programmed it for the one that was more used, Windows.

THe goverment uses Windows computers not MAc. Just go to any business and ask what they use...

Windows products, not Macs.

[chosen_one6]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:hammerhead: :banghead: :mad: :cry:

[andgar923]

Right and all viruses are made universally compatible like in real life...right ;)




Mac OS is programmed way better than Windows I won't deny that fact. But just because of that doesn't mean the viruses program in a certain OS will work on another one. Apple didn't sell a lot to businesses and the like, so people wouldn't program viruses for the Mac because it just wasn't profitable for them, so they programmed it for the one that was more used, Windows.

THe goverment uses Windows computers not MAc. Just go to any business and ask what they use...

Windows products, not Macs.

Dude, it's not even about me being a fanboy (really). You keep using arguments that were made 10 years ago that have been debunked repeatedly over the years.

Even the most hardcore Windows fanboys don't even make those arguments anymore.

[Bandito]

Dude, it's not even about me being a fanboy (really). You keep using arguments that were made 10 years ago that have been debunked repeatedly over the years.

Even the most hardcore Windows fanboys don't even make those arguments anymore.
Dude if you think viruses made for windows work for Mac you're an idiot as Kobe/Lebron stans are.

[andgar923]

Dude if you think viruses made for windows work for Mac you're an idiot as Kobe/Lebron stans are.

I didn't say that.

Of course they won't work.

But your assumption that there isn't an attempt to make OS X viruses is flawed. They have tried, but it's usually fruitless. It isn't because the numbers aren't there, but because it's simply harder due to OS X's UNIX.

I've seen and heard every argument made, and it simply boils down to OS X being more secure that hackers don't want to spend their time. Don't you think there's some hackers out there trying to make a name for themselves?

Every year they have a security competition and Macs are always the primary target. And guess what computer the winner usually select as part of their prize? Macs.

If Apple did indeed get shitted on with the same amount of viruses that Windows gets it will be headline news all over the world. And the hacker would be rich. As it stands if Apple does have a trojan or a small virus or hack, it makes the news and the hacker feels like a king.

So best believe the top hackers are trying their best, and the average hacker tries but moves on, because OS X is inherently safer.

To top it off... Apple patches up their security holes ASAP. They don't wait and ***** foot around. And everybody gets the update (dependent on the OS version of course).

Apple is known for fixing up any holes immediately, as soon as 'hours' after they're discovered, but usually within the first 24-48 hours. While it may take Windows weeks- months, and even then not all users will get the update nor know about an update.

[Bandito]

I didn't say that.

Of course they won't work.

But your assumption that there isn't an attempt to make OS X viruses is flawed. They have tried, but it's usually fruitless. It isn't because the numbers aren't there, but because it's simply harder due to OS X's UNIX.

I've seen and heard every argument made, and it simply boils down to OS X being more secure that hackers don't want to spend their time. Don't you think there's some hackers out there trying to make a name for themselves?

Every year they have a security competition and Macs are always the primary target. And guess what computer the winner usually select as part of their prize? Macs.

If Apple did indeed get shitted on with the same amount of viruses that Windows gets it will be headline news all over the world. And the hacker would be rich. As it stands if Apple does have a trojan or a small virus or hack, it makes the news and the hacker feels like a king.

So best believe the top hackers are trying their best, and the average hacker tries but moves on, because OS X is inherently safer.

To top it off... Apple patches up their security holes ASAP. They don't wait and ***** foot around. And everybody gets the update (dependent on the OS version of course).

Apple is known for fixing up any holes immediately, as soon as 'hours' after they're discovered, but usually within the first 24-48 hours. While it may take Windows weeks- months, and even then not all users will get the update nor know about an update.
You do know that someone made a virus that hacked the mac in a couple of seconds right? And apple took the video down and made a patch to prevent that after the guy gave him the video. He practically challenged the company and won.

[Bandito]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no11eIx0x6whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=no11eIx0x6w



And do you know how many viruses are made for windows each month, each week? It is the most used OS in the world it happens that it is the prime target for hackers.

[andgar923]

You do know that someone made a virus that hacked the mac in a couple of seconds right? And apple took the video down and made a patch to prevent that after the guy gave him the video. He practically challenged the company and won.

Of course, and that also proves how fast Apple is to patch shit up.

But it also depends on 'how' the hacker got access.

When this happened the Mac community got their pitchforks out en mass. But the way the hacker got access to hack was under non-real world scenario. It wasn't like the run of the mill Windows hack or virus.

[andgar923]

Btw...

Do you still want to compare a hack or a virus or two, to billions of computers being infected by millions of viruses and hacks every year? :rolleyes:

[Bandito]

Of course, and that also proves how fast Apple is to patch shit up.

But it also depends on 'how' the hacker got access.

When this happened the Mac community got their pitchforks out en mass. But the way the hacker got access to hack was under non-real world scenario. It wasn't like the run of the mill Windows hack or virus.
I did agree with you that Mac was better programmed. But it doesn't mean crap. Windows get a lot more viruses made for it in a day than Mac does on a good year since a lot of business use it.


Walgreens photo editor? Windows

ATM's? Uses windows (XP for that matter:biggums: )

Government computers? Uses windows (mostly 7)

Banks (Windows)


Church's and McDonalds uses windows too.


Most business uses windows nowadays, which is why it is a prime target for hackers. Apple is not. Trust me, Apple will get more viruses as time goes on, or at least IOS will since it is becoming more used as time goes by.

[Bandito]

Btw...

Do you still want to compare a hack or a virus or two, to billions of computers being infected by millions of viruses and hacks every year? :rolleyes:
I wanted to prove Mac is not as secured as you think it is.

[Bandito]

It all depends on what the common guy uses and the market says Windows. Heck most porn site related viruses are made for Windows, not Macs. IT doesn't matter which was programmed better or what is the best OS. In the end it depends on what is the most marketable thing on the market, and right now is Windows. Nobody in the programming world care about the Macs...

[Nanners]

Has it been confirmed that apple was actually hacked? In a lot of those pictures, the people are using android phones. Why would pictures taken on a google phone be on iCloud? Did google get hacked too?

[Bandito]

Has it been confirmed that apple was actually hacked? In a lot of those pictures, the people are using android phones. Why would pictures taken on a google phone be on iCloud? Did google get hacked too?
Don't know...but the problem with those cloud servers is that once hacked you can access whatever you want because everything is there. And most of those servers are in other countries where it would not be so hard depending on the laws there.

[gts]

Has it been confirmed that apple was actually hacked? In a lot of those pictures, the people are using android phones. Why would pictures taken on a google phone be on iCloud? Did google get hacked too?

the guy (i'm assuming it's a guy) hacked the "find my iphone" app with a brute force attack which is just throwing passwords at the account until it's hacked... the code can be found you you google "ibrute"

the find my iphone app uses the icloud to store last known locations



so what's the over under on when the FBI catches the person? last guy in florida that did this type of thing is doing 20 years in a florida prison

[Nanners]

the guy (i'm assuming it's a guy) hacked the "find my iphone" app with a brute force attack which is just throwing passwords at the account until it's hacked the code can be found you you google "ibrute"

the find my iphone app uses the icloud to store last known locations



no that is not what happened. the guy who leaked the photos claims that he was simply a collector, not the hacker. he said that he aquired the photos from various sources with bitcoins.

as far as i know there is zero evidence that anything relating to apple was hacked. even if apple was hacked, that still doesnt explain the photos taken with androids.

i think its far more likely that these photos were aquired through social engineering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(security)) than a hack.

[gts]

no that is not what happened. the guy who leaked the photos claims that he was simply a collector, not the hacker. he said that he aquired the photos from various sources with bitcoins.

as far as i know there is zero evidence that anything relating to apple was hacked. even if apple was hacked, that still doesnt explain the photos taken with androids.

i think its far more likely that these photos were aquired through social engineering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(security)) than a hack.


I'm not talking about the guy that leaked the pics.. I'm talking about how the pics that were stored on the icloud were accessed...

edit:here's one of many articles from this morning talking about it

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2014/09/01/icloud-hacking-patched-find-my-iphone/

[Nanners]

I'm not talking about the guy that leaked the pics.. I'm talking about how the pics that were stored on the icloud were accessed...

edit:here's one of many articles from this morning talking about it

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2014/09/01/icloud-hacking-patched-find-my-iphone/

and what about all the leaked photos that were taken by android phones? did they hack google drive too?

it should be noted that the fact that apple patched a flaw in find my iphone over the weekend does not necessarily mean that this is where these photos came from.

[Bandito]

and what about all the leaked photos that were taken by android phones? did they hack google drive too?

it should be noted that the fact that apple patched a flaw in find my iphone over the weekend does not necessarily mean that this is where these photos came from.
That is what made wonder if their cloud servers got hacked or not.

[christian1923]

Has it been confirmed that apple was actually hacked? In a lot of those pictures, the people are using android phones. Why would pictures taken on a google phone be on iCloud? Did google get hacked too?
They could be pictures sent to people with iPhones.

[andgar923]

Apple is always patching holes, doing maintenance, etc.etc. specially during 'Beta' testing periods (iOS 8 is currently in Beta).

Now... not saying that Apple didn't get hacked, because it could've been the case.

But it is normal for them to do this shit.

[Nanners]

They could be pictures sent to people with iPhones.

pictures sent to people with iphones do not automatically get saved to icloud

[christian1923]

pictures sent to people with iphones do not automatically get saved to icloud
I think they do if that person saves them

[Nanners]

I think they do if that person saves them

yes that is possible but it seems rather unlikely

[gts]

pictures sent to people with iphones do not automatically get saved to icloud

that's correct but it depends on if you have that turned on and if you save the pic...

if you have icloud enabled to store pics and you save the pic in your camera roll then it's in the cloud... if you just look at the pic in the message then it won't be moved to the cloud

but once it's in your camera roll and you are saving those pics to the cloud then it's there even if you delete off the phone...

i only save contacts to the cloud so if i lose my phone or its stolen then i'm not completely out of luck


reading some more they think now the original hack was on one or two accounts in the cloud which accessed the contact lists in some of these folks phones and went from there, was probably more than one person using the code since so many accounts were accessed in such a short amount of time...

hack code may have been released by a security firm that had found the weakness in the app then it snowballed from there


obviously the story is still evolving... kind of fun watching the folks who may have inadvertently caused this jump into cover my ass mode...lol

[Droid101]

angar's fanboy comes through in post one. Typical.

You could have just not posted, you know.

[andgar923]

angar's fanboy comes through in post one. Typical.

You could have just not posted, you know.

And what will your first post come through as?

I admitted to coming off as a fanboy on my first post, when it was just being objective and using common sense and facts.

Just like the following:

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2476019/mobile-security/all-android-devices-at-risk-of-being-hacked-when-installing-os-system-updates.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/07/04/99-percent-of-all-android-installations-are-vulnerable-to-hacking-and-even-complete-takeover-of-the-device/

http://www.cnet.com/news/ios-scores-as-most-secure-mobile-os-in-new-report/

http://www.coolsmartphone.com/2011/11/22/android-os-the-most-hacked-mobile-platform/

I can keep going and going.

[LJJ]

Android has a much much much higher market share and they dominate the mobile market. Of course they are the main target for hackers.

[Bandito]

And what will your first post come through as?

I admitted to coming off as a fanboy on my first post, when it was just being objective and using common sense and facts.

Just like the following:

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2476019/mobile-security/all-android-devices-at-risk-of-being-hacked-when-installing-os-system-updates.html

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/07/04/99-percent-of-all-android-installations-are-vulnerable-to-hacking-and-even-complete-takeover-of-the-device/

http://www.cnet.com/news/ios-scores-as-most-secure-mobile-os-in-new-report/

http://www.coolsmartphone.com/2011/11/22/android-os-the-most-hacked-mobile-platform/

I can keep going and going.
Who's talking about Android? Plus everybody and their mother knows Android is the most hackeable since it is open source and it is the "most marketable" product on cellphones.

Android sells more than IOS and Windows phone combined.

[Bandito]

Android has a much much much higher market share and they dominate the mobile market. Of course they are the main target for hackers.
This. (plus it is open source)

THat is why Windows is the most hackeable too. But Apple stans don't see that.

[andgar923]

Android has a much much much higher market share and they dominate the mobile market. Of course they are the main target for hackers.

or...

They're wide open.

Android itself doesn't give a rats ass about it's consumers. They let key logging happen, they let viruses and trojan horses into their marketplace all the time.

Just recently have they started to make attempts to clean some of it up (not the key logging).

[Bandito]

or...

They're wide open.

Android itself doesn't give a rats ass about it's consumers. They let key logging happen, they let viruses and trojan horses into their marketplace all the time.

Just recently have they started to make attempts to clean some of it up (not the key logging).
Yet it sells more than IOS and there are more fun and better apps for it. How much does that hurt you...

[Sarcastic]

I wouldn't say that Apple has inferior products. They are on the same level as the pieces of crap that everyone else makes.

They just aren't the life changing machines that they advertise them to be.

[bigkingsfan]

Yet it sells more than IOS and there are more fun and better apps for it. How much does that hurt you...

Android sells more because they have cheaper alternative. You can't buy a $50 ios phone. Apple still dominates when you're talking about apps revenue, play store vs ios store.

[Bandito]

I wouldn't say that Apple has inferior products. They are on the same level as the pieces of crap that everyone else makes.

They just aren't the life changing machines that they advertise them to be.
This.

[Bandito]

Android sells more because they have cheaper alternative. You can't buy a $50 ios phone. Apple still dominates when you're talking about apps revenue, play store vs ios store.
Show me the numbers, because last quarter sales doesn't say so...

[bigkingsfan]

Show me the numbers, because last quarter sales doesn't say so...

"In Q2 2014, the iOS App Store provided around 80 percent more revenue than Google Play, down from 85% the previous quarter. Mobile powerhouses China and Japan were the primary drivers of iOS revenue for Q2 2014. Taiwan, Kuwait, and Turkey also contributed significantly to iOS revenue, each growing more than 30 percent quarter-over-quarter."

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/app-annie-market-index-q2-2014-google-play-widens-lead-in-app-downloads-china-japan-primary-drivers-of-continued-ios-revenue-dominance-2014-07-16

[Bandito]

"In Q2 2014, the iOS App Store provided around 80 percent more revenue than Google Play, down from 85% the previous quarter. Mobile powerhouses China and Japan were the primary drivers of iOS revenue for Q2 2014. Taiwan, Kuwait, and Turkey also contributed significantly to iOS revenue, each growing more than 30 percent quarter-over-quarter."

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/app-annie-market-index-q2-2014-google-play-widens-lead-in-app-downloads-china-japan-primary-drivers-of-continued-ios-revenue-dominance-2014-07-16
Q2 rport was already out? Im so behind wow...

[IamRAMBO24]

I don't know for the life of me why anybody still uses microsoft and apple in today's age. Linux is where it's at. You can do anything on it. It doesn't cost a thing. Viruses are non-existent. Why? Why would people pay for inferior products that are less secure and limited? Linux is different and there is a learning curve, but it's the same learning curve as the other products. It might be different, but it's not hard to use.

[Bandito]

I don't know for the life of me why anybody still uses microsoft and apple in today's age. Linux is where it's at. You can do anything on it. It doesn't cost a thing. Viruses are non-existent. Why? Why would people pay for inferior products that are less secure and limited? Linux is different and there is a learning curve, but it's the same learning curve as the other products. It might be different, but it's not hard to use.
Because stuff like video games are made for Windows and Apple does cool ads that make stupid people buy their products. Plus their cellphones are great.

And most people do not know what an OS is and how to install one anyways.