Does Phoenix really think anyone will TRADE for Bledsoe?

[el gringos]

Publicly Phoenix thinks teams want to trade for Bledsoe, but do they or anyone else actually believe it will happen?


Walk me through this
-suns offer 12 per and Bledsoe turns that down. No other team can offer that fair number without the suns matching right?

-so he won't sign unless it's 15 or more per year.


Why would any team overpay w salary and sending out assets? I could understand sending out assets to get Bledsoe at a fair price, but doing both seems like something nobody would do. And remember, Bledsoe won't sign at the "fair" number anyway.


Let's say a team w space wanted him. If you think 12 is fair, and even if you think 12 to Bledsoe + prospect and picks is good value- is 15+ and picks/prospects still good value? IMO you can overpay 3 or so mill or you can give up assets but no way you can do both.



If a team signs Bledsoe to max Phoenix WILL NOT match- we all agree right? If they matched they'd be saying they aren't going to re-sign dragic next year right? Nobody thinks they'd put 50 mill a year into the guard spot do they?


Help me out- is Phoenix just fooling themselves and hoping to find a sucker or do you see any chance of a s&t for Bledsoe if he doesn't accept something closer to the 12 per?

[raprap]

Bledsoe is too greedy. I dont think phoenix has the leverage though. Eventually they would find a team for bledsoe with phoenix getting less in return.

[el gringos]

Bledsoe is too greedy. I dont think phoenix has the leverage though. Eventually they would find a team for bledsoe with phoenix getting less in return.
Why would they get anything in return after if a team signs him above 15 per?

[raprap]

Why would they get anything in return after if a team signs him above 15 per?
S&t

[hawksdogsbraves]

I think if he comes out of the gate playing well somebody will jump on him and overpay. For a lot of teams that's the only way to get a superstar, so they'll see it as a James Harden to Houston type situation.

[BlackWhiteGreen]

Rondo straight up

[kshutts1]

It seems like you are basing your hypothesis on only part of what actually happened.

What's been overlooked is that after turning down that lucrative offer, Bledsoe got no other offers that we're aware. Also, any team with half a brain will write in some heavy "games played" considerations, at least until he proves he can stay healthy.

Would he rather have a fully guaranteed 10-12m, or a heavily protected 15m+? I think that's what it boils down to. And this season could tell us a lot.

If Bledsoe comes out of the gate like a mini-Lebron, then I could certainly see a team offering some middling assets for the opportunity to try and sway Bledsoe the rest of the season. Lakers come to mind, as does NY, Brooklyn, Houston... Basically any good team that needs an extra push, or bad team that needs to bet on a future star.

If Bledsoe comes out hurt again, or doesn't play as well as he has in the past, then Phoenix probably won't trade him, and shouldn't want to as long as his value is so low.

[el gringos]

Of course teams would give assets for Bledsoe during the season after he signed a qualifying offer. Then there's reason to give value



I'm talking about why would a team give assets to sign him to above 15 per (which is the only way to get him before the season.)

[kshutts1]

Nash and a couple second round picks if Bledsoe plays poorly and/or is hurt. Suns maintain cap flexibility while picking up two likely good second round picks. Huge steal for Lakers if it happens. Suns would want a first, but I honestly don't know the next time LA has one available... 2018?

Shumpert and THJr plus two seconds for Bledsoe. Suns get a defensive wing, a scorer off the bench to play with Thomas, and some picks.

Rondo for Bledsoe, as someone else suggested.

Gallo for Bledsoe. Both teams are taking gambles.

I don't see any of these happening. In any trade PHX is getting less potential in a trade than they are giving up, and by a lot. Only reason they would ever consider it, IMO, is if Bledsoe made it perfectly clear he was leaving and didn't like the organization.

[el gringos]

Rondo straight up
To pay Bledsoe 4 years 60 mill or more?

[HurricaneKid]

Of course teams would give assets for Bledsoe during the season after he signed a qualifying offer. Then there's reason to give value


If he signs the QO he cannot be traded without his consent. No reason to give it.

[HurricaneKid]

To pay Bledsoe 4 years 60 mill or more?

Rondo is a UFA next season. So he is going to get a big contract too.

[HurricaneKid]

Nash and a couple second round picks if Bledsoe plays poorly and/or is hurt. Suns maintain cap flexibility while picking up two likely good second round picks. Huge steal for Lakers if it happens. Suns would want a first, but I honestly don't know the next time LA has one available... 2018?

Shumpert and THJr plus two seconds for Bledsoe. Suns get a defensive wing, a scorer off the bench to play with Thomas, and some picks.

Rondo for Bledsoe, as someone else suggested.

Gallo for Bledsoe. Both teams are taking gambles.

I don't see any of these happening. In any trade PHX is getting less potential in a trade than they are giving up, and by a lot. Only reason they would ever consider it, IMO, is if Bledsoe made it perfectly clear he was leaving and didn't like the organization.

Stop. Lakers and Knicks proposals are worth far < than 1 yr of Bledsoe at <4M. I'd argue that is the case for Rondo (who also doesn't fit in at all in Pho) and Gallo as well but at least they would be getting a piece back.

[kshutts1]

Stop. Lakers and Knicks proposals are worth far < than 1 yr of Bledsoe at <4M. I'd argue that is the case for Rondo (who also doesn't fit in at all in Pho) and Gallo as well but at least they would be getting a piece back.
I capped it off by saying that PHX would not be getting fair value. Just saying that they would only do it if Bledsoe made it perfectly clear he was not only leaving, but hated it in PHX.

On a tangent, Rondo would be a great fit in PHX. Have you seen their roster? Nearly everyone can score. Rondo is one of the best passing PGs in the league. He'd wreak havoc with any team's D with all those weapons at his disposal.

[kshutts1]

Nash and a couple second round picks if Bledsoe plays poorly and/or is hurt. Suns maintain cap flexibility while picking up two likely good second round picks. Huge steal for Lakers if it happens. Suns would want a first, but I honestly don't know the next time LA has one available... 2018?

Shumpert and THJr plus two seconds for Bledsoe. Suns get a defensive wing, a scorer off the bench to play with Thomas, and some picks.

Rondo for Bledsoe, as someone else suggested.

Gallo for Bledsoe. Both teams are taking gambles.

I don't see any of these happening. In any trade PHX is getting less potential in a trade than they are giving up, and by a lot. Only reason they would ever consider it, IMO, is if Bledsoe made it perfectly clear he was leaving and didn't like the organization.
Did you not read this far?

[MJ(Mean John)]

Bledsoe won't take anything near or below 12 Mil a year. He wants Max. Suns don't want to give him max.

So if a team wanted to sign him to the Max they could have done so already knowing phx wouldn't match.

Why would they wait now AND STILL pay him the max AND lose assets. Phx is selling crap

[Mrofir]

Bledsoe won't take anything near or below 12 Mil a year. He wants Max. Suns don't want to give him max.

So if a team wanted to sign him to the Max they could have done so already knowing phx wouldn't match.

Why would they wait now AND STILL pay him the max AND lose assets. Phx is selling crap


I agree -- the only way a ST happens is if Bledsoe is fed up with the Suns and the Suns are fed up with him.

Example -- behind closed doors the Suns have offered 14\4yrs but he's turned it down due to sour grapes/playing hardball. If at that point some team comes along and offers him 14 or 15 for 2 years in a ST scenario, maybe everyone digs it.

This reminds me of the Joe Johnson scenario though. I think they are a similar caliber player. Really hard to know what the right thing to do is -- no Suns fan wants the Hawks story to be the Suns story, that's for sure. But it's hard to let a good player walk.


PS -- Waiters and T.Thompson for Morris twins + Bledsoe?

[kshutts1]

I agree -- the only way a ST happens is if Bledsoe is fed up with the Suns and the Suns are fed up with him.

Example -- behind closed doors the Suns have offered 14\4yrs but he's turned it down due to sour grapes/playing hardball. If at that point some team comes along and offers him 14 or 15 for 2 years in a ST scenario, maybe everyone digs it.

This reminds me of the Joe Johnson scenario though. I think they are a similar caliber player. Really hard to know what the right thing to do is -- no Suns fan wants the Hawks story to be the Suns story, that's for sure. But it's hard to let a good player walk.


PS blockbuster -- Waiters and T.Thompson for Morris twins + Bledsoe?
Hawks were wildly successful with Johnson. Perennial second round team, always one piece away from legit contending.

Only one team a year wins a title. Second round of the playoffs is 100% a success. Particularly if it's a near given every single year.

[Mrofir]

Hawks were wildly successful with Johnson. Perennial second round team, always one piece away from legit contending.

Only one team a year wins a title. Second round of the playoffs is 100% a success. Particularly if it's a near given every single year.


Yes but the Suns were perennial title contenders after losing him, in the West. Had they got past the Spurs I think they'd have won a championship. Arguably they wouldn't have had the money to do this if they had signed JJ to max.

I'll take WCF over EC 2nd round 8 days a week

PS Atlanta's record after acquiring JJ

year 1 - 26-56
year 2 - 30-52
year 3 - 37-45, lost 1st round
year 4 - 47-35, swept in 2nd round
year 5 - 53-29, swept in 2nd round
year 6 - 44-38, 2-4 loss in 2nd round

overall record - 237-255

I'm not sure that trajectory necessitates the use of the word "wildly"

[Lakers_Kobe_Fan]

Retards on reallgm suns forum want: sanders + gannis ante***

Lin/randle/nash/hill

Pathetic mutha fcukers

[Mrofir]

Retards on reallgm suns forum want: sanders + gannis ante***

Lin/randle/nash/hill

Pathetic mutha fcukers


Nash/Randle/remove protection from pick that Suns own

Seems like a possibility -- favors LA but Suns could do worse, would be fun to watch Nash win MVP at age 40