MJ shot 30% or less in 48 games in his career

[dreamwarrior]

Lebron has shot 30% or less in 51 games in his career so far. Lebron from 23-29yo shot 30% or less in 18 games while just 13 games for Jordan during that age span.

And in the playoffs, Jordan shot 30% or worse in 5 games over his playoffs career. Lebron has shot 30% or worse 9 times in the playoffs so far.

[noob cake]

You guys probably are all curious.

145 for you know who (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=bryanko01&match=game&year_min=1986&year_max=2014&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=&pos_is_gf=&pos_is_f=&pos_is_fg=&pos_is_fc=&pos_is_c=&pos_is_cf=&c1stat=fg_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=0.300&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&is_dbl_dbl=&is_trp_dbl=&order_by=pts&order_by_asc=&offset=100)

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[russwest0]

You guys probably are all curious.


127 games for you know who (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=bryanko01&match=game&year_min=1986&year_max=2014&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=&pos_is_gf=&pos_is_f=&pos_is_fg=&pos_is_fc=&pos_is_c=&pos_is_cf=&c1stat=fg_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=0.300&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&is_dbl_dbl=&is_trp_dbl=&order_by=pts&order_by_asc=&offset=100)

What about Durant?

[dubeta]

MJ played in a high efficiency era, every wing was shooting 50% plus

In todays game wings shoot 40-45%

[TheMarkMadsen]

You guys probably are all curious.

145 for you know who (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=bryanko01&match=game&year_min=1986&year_max=2014&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=&pos_is_gf=&pos_is_f=&pos_is_fg=&pos_is_fc=&pos_is_c=&pos_is_cf=&c1stat=fg_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=0.300&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&is_dbl_dbl=&is_trp_dbl=&order_by=pts&order_by_asc=&offset=100)

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Majority games of less than 10 FGA as a rookie, half of those games he played less than 15 minutes..

And 145? Looks more like 45 to me

[SamuraiSWISH]

More versatile offensive game then both. Skill, footwork, mid range and jumper like Kobe. Could hit the three if you sagged. And had the freak athleticism, versatility to attack the basket to finish like LeBron.

[noob cake]

Majority games of less than 10 FGA as a rookie, half of those games he played less than 15 minutes..

And 145? Looks more like 45 to me

There is one more page :roll: :roll: :roll: w

[aj1987]

Majority games of less than 10 FGA as a rookie, half of those games he played less than 15 minutes..

And 145? Looks more like 45 to me
78 games from 2001. After excluding the first 4 seasons of his career.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=bryanko01&match=game&year_min=2001&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=fg_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=.30&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

Edit: Kobe has 18 in the Playoffs.

KD has 24 in the RS and 7 in the Playoffs.

[noob cake]

78 games from 2001.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=bryanko01&match=game&year_min=2001&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=fg_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=.30&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

Regular season only. You forgot to include playoffs. Can't forget legendary performances like Game 7 against Celtics 6 for 24 shooting.

[The_Pharcyde]

MJ played in a high efficiency era, every wing was shooting 50% plus

In todays game wings shoot 40-45%

Stupid person alert!

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

MJ played in a high efficiency era, every wing was shooting 50% plus

In todays game wings shoot 40-45%
And Lebron hasnt been a wing since 2012. Hes a power forward now which is why his efficiency has gone up alot

[dubeta]

And Lebron hasnt been a wing since 2012. Hes a power forward now which is why his efficiency has gone up alot

:facepalm

Look at his shot chart, its from everywhere on the court, especially 3's

http://static.basket-infos.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/grant_r_LeBron_ShotChart.jpg

You're acting like LeBron is playing like Malone or something

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

:facepalm

Look at his shot chart, its from everywhere on the court, especially 3's

http://static.basket-infos.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/grant_r_LeBron_ShotChart.jpg

You're acting like LeBron is playing like Malone or something
Thats the efficiency now show the volume and # of attempts:lol :lol

[riseagainst]

You guys probably are all curious.

145 for you know who (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=bryanko01&match=game&year_min=1986&year_max=2014&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=&pos_is_gf=&pos_is_f=&pos_is_fg=&pos_is_fc=&pos_is_c=&pos_is_cf=&c1stat=fg_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=0.300&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&is_dbl_dbl=&is_trp_dbl=&order_by=pts&order_by_asc=&offset=100)

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what a chucker
:roll:
:roll:

[ImKobe]

You guys probably are all curious.

145 for you know who (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=bryanko01&match=game&year_min=1986&year_max=2014&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=&pos_is_gf=&pos_is_f=&pos_is_fg=&pos_is_fc=&pos_is_c=&pos_is_cf=&c1stat=fg_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=0.300&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&is_dbl_dbl=&is_trp_dbl=&order_by=pts&order_by_asc=&offset=100)

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How many more games did the certain player play more than Lebron or MJ? And how many of his low shooting % came from playing off the bench when he didn't get consistent minutes?

I'm sure if MJ played more seasons (either from when he was 18 or if he played a couple more years on the Wizards or whatever), he'd have many more low-shooting % games.

[chocolatethunder]

You guys probably are all curious.

145 for you know who (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=bryanko01&match=game&year_min=1986&year_max=2014&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=&pos_is_gf=&pos_is_f=&pos_is_fg=&pos_is_fc=&pos_is_c=&pos_is_cf=&c1stat=fg_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=0.300&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&is_dbl_dbl=&is_trp_dbl=&order_by=pts&order_by_asc=&offset=100)

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AI has to be up there too.

[Hoopz2332]

And Lebron hasnt been a wing since 2012. Hes a power forward now which is why his efficiency has gone up alot


lebron still plays like a perimeter player and his shot chart backs this up. lebron still takes like almost three 3's per game.

[Demitri98]

You guys probably are all curious.

145 for you know who (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=bryanko01&match=game&year_min=1986&year_max=2014&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=&pos_is_gf=&pos_is_f=&pos_is_fg=&pos_is_fc=&pos_is_c=&pos_is_cf=&c1stat=fg_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=0.300&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&is_dbl_dbl=&is_trp_dbl=&order_by=pts&order_by_asc=&offset=100)

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I'll take the bait.

The large majority of those games were in the late 90s before the threepeat.

[ImKobe]

The guy that did Kobe's, in 29 of those games he didn't even play 20 minutes :facepalm and mostly took 1-3 shots (coming off the bench as a rook). You should count in the average mpg and FGA for those guys and see who played the most minutes in these games.

[Paul George 24]

MJ played in a high efficiency era, every wing was shooting 50% plus

In todays game wings shoot 40-45%
moron like u always makes excuse for a loser lebron james :lol

[Demitri98]

The guy that did Kobe's, in 29 of those games he didn't even play 20 minutes :facepalm and mostly took 1-3 shots (coming off the bench as a rook). You should count in the average mpg and FGA for those guys and see who played the most minutes in these games.
Exactly. Most of those games were when he was young and developing and had minimal minutes/impact

[ImKobe]

Exactly. Most of those games were when he was young and developing and had minimal minutes/impact

It's not MOST, but a huge chunk of it, plus the fact that Kobe's played about 200 more games for his career than MJ? Draft MJ at 17 years old and see how many more of these games he posts up.

[Paul George 24]

Thats the efficiency now show the volume and # of attempts:lol :lol

:applause:

[Paul George 24]

It's not MOST, but a huge chunk of it, plus the fact that Kobe's played about 200 more games for his career than MJ? Draft MJ at 17 years old and see how many more of these games he posts up.

no excuse for kobe never shots close to 50fg% :lol

[aj1987]

:oldlol: @ all the excuses the Kobetards are coming up with.

Kobe - 145 (including Playoffs and RS)
LeBron - 51
MJ - 48

[ImKobe]

:oldlol: @ all the excuses the Kobetards are coming up with.

Kobe - 145 (including Playoffs and RS)
LeBron - 51
MJ - 48

So, context does not matter? That's what you're saying?

[HurricaneKid]

I'll take the bait.

The large majority of those games were in the late 90s before the threepeat.

36 were before the 3peat. 109 during and after. So if you STARTED his career during the first title run he STILL has more than LBJ and ML COMBINED. TRY AGAIN.

[Encre92]

You guys probably are all curious.

145 for you know who (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=bryanko01&match=game&year_min=1986&year_max=2014&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=&pos_is_gf=&pos_is_f=&pos_is_fg=&pos_is_fc=&pos_is_c=&pos_is_cf=&c1stat=fg_pct&c1comp=lt&c1val=0.300&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&is_dbl_dbl=&is_trp_dbl=&order_by=pts&order_by_asc=&offset=100)

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:roll: :roll: :roll:

[ImKobe]

36 were before the 3peat. 109 during and after. TRY AGAIN.

So, 109 games over the course of 14 NBA seasons, including the Playoffs, with 7 Finals runs?

People think this amount is way too much for a guy that takes more :kobe: shots than anyone else?

Anyone bother counting up the average FGA for these games?

[HurricaneKid]

AI has to be up there too.

119. Which is a major reason no one suggests he is an all time great. Whats that? 145>>>>>>119? No comment.

[ImKobe]

119. Which is a major reason no one suggests he is an all time great. Whats that? 145>>>>>>119? No comment.

119 is the regular season amount, if you add in Playoffs, it's 131.

Then you factor in that AI last played an NBA Game in 2010 and has played 300 less regular season games for his career, and 150 less Playoff games.

And AI shot over 45% twice for an entire season, MVP AI shot 42% while taking 25.5 shots a game, followed by a 39,8%FG season with near 28 shots a game

plus he never rang

that's why he's not regarded as an all-time great, but he's routinely ranked as a top 5 SG and people want to put him in top 30-40 all-time.

To make it more fair, I put in the factor of minimum 10 FGA (since taking a few shots and not playing the superstar role doesn't affect the game as much as taking 20-30 shots and making less than 30% of them).

Kobe: 104
AI: 121
MJ: 45
Bird: 32
Melo: 86


Melo will overtake Kobe, possibly AI on this list due to the position he's currently in.

[HurricaneKid]

So, 109 games over the course of 14 NBA seasons, including the Playoffs, with 7 Finals runs?

People think this amount is way too much for a guy that takes more :kobe: shots than anyone else?

Anyone bother counting up the average FGA for these games?

Exactly. Its a MASSIVE number.

Taking more FGA should get you ABOVE 30% if you are any kind of shooter.

[HurricaneKid]

119 is the regular season amount, if you add in Playoffs, it's 131.

Then you factor in that AI last played an NBA Game in 2010 and has played 300 less regular season games for his career, and 150 less Playoff games.

And AI shot over 45% twice for an entire season, MVP AI shot 42% while taking 25.5 shots a game, followed by a 39,8%FG season with near 28 shots a game

plus he never rang

that's why he's not regarded as an all-time great, but he's routinely ranked as a top 5 SG and people want to put him in top 30-40 all-time.

I don't think you understand percentages and the impact of increased FGA. If you normally shoot 40-45% the more shots you take in a game the lower the variance and the lower the chances you should be shooting .300 or below.

I don't think much of AI. Fun to watch but not the kind of player you want running your team if you are playing to win.

[ImKobe]

Exactly. Its a MASSIVE number.

Taking more FGA should get you ABOVE 30% if you are any kind of shooter.

Yeah, but that's my point. You put in minimum 10 shots a game and Kobe only has 104 of those games with 1465 career games (7%).

So, only 7% out of his entire career games, he shot worse than 30% while taking a minimum of 10 shots a game. I added the 10 shot minimum because other games include possible injury games (where he starts off slow or whatever, gets injured and doesn't return) and games, when he played off the bench and didn't really have that role to make it fair in comparison to guys that had that role for all of their careers.

[ImKobe]

I don't think you understand percentages and the impact of increased FGA. If you normally shoot 40-45% the more shots you take in a game the lower the variance and the lower the chances you should be shooting .300 or below.

I don't think much of AI. Fun to watch but not the kind of player you want running your team if you are playing to win.

You're not making sense. Kobe takes less shots a game for his career than MJ, Lebron, AI, KD to name a few on average and he's played more career games than anyone mentioned on this thread. Obviously he's going to have more of these games with a bigger sample size.

You're also not factoring in games, where his role was coming off the bench for 15-20 min in the late 90s, not having the impact of a Lebron or MJ shooting under 30% for their teams while playing superstar minutes/getting superstar touches.

You just look at the total number and make generalizations, you're not diving into the details and giving the totals a proper context. Your opinion is obviously biased.

CONTEXT is everything. Statistics without context are just numbers. They are meaningless.

[Magic 32]

Kobe 30% or less

96-97 = 27 (bench player)
97-98 = 22 (bench player)
98-99 = 5
99-00 = 6
00-01 = 5
01-02 = 3
02-03 = 6
03-04 = 11 (Colorado case)
04-05 = 6
05-06 = 6
06-07 = 6
07-08 = 7
08-09 = 4
09-10 = 8
10-11 = 8
11-12 = 9
12-13 = 4
13-14 = 2

Outside of the 3 bad years, Kobe averaged 5.6 sub 30% games a year.

And since Lebron entered the NBA, he has more sub 30% games in the playoffs than Kobe (9 to 5).

[RRR3]

As much as I dislike Bean, acting as if he's some run-of the-mill inefficient chucker is disengenuous. He's very efficient compared to many high volume scoring perimeter players.

[aj1987]

So, context does not matter? That's what you're saying?
Do you see MJ stans making excuses because he came back to play on the Wizards at 38/39?

Fine, with your criteria of a minimum of 10 FGA's:

Kobe: 104
Jordan: 45
LeBron: 49
Wade: 44
Iverson: 121 (including this (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200403030NYK.html) gem)
Carmelo: 86
Durant: 31
McGrady: 78
Dirk: 98 (:eek: Did NOT expect that)
Timmy: 62
Garnett: 76

[ImKobe]

Do you see MJ stans making excuses because he came back to play on the Wizards at 38/39?

Fine, with your criteria of a minimum of 10 FGA's:

Kobe: 104
Jordan: 45
LeBron: 49
Wade: 44
Iverson: 121 (including this (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200403030NYK.html) gem)
Carmelo: 86
Durant: 31
McGrady: 78
Dirk: 98 (:eek: Did NOT expect that)
Timmy: 62
Garnett: 76

I'm not making excuses, I'm just putting context behind the numbers. MJ is the GOAT and his career scoring numbers are better, so obviously he'd have way less of these games when you also factor in that he played less seasons for his career as well. Lebron and Wade have only played 11 seasons. So has Melo, and he nearly already has as many as Kobe in 17 seasons. Dirk takes less than 17 shots a game for his career and is regarded as one of the GOAT shooters, yet has almost as many as Kobe in less games.

Throwing in a few more for comparison's sake

Starbury: 120 :oldlol:
Carter: 122 :oldlol:
Reggie Miller: 115