So I just ruined some guys life...

[Joyner82reload]

Some of you know my history with my fraternity...Well I have taken over president again after the previous one was removed from office due to sucking. After performing an audit with my budget committee, I realized the guy had misused/embezzled around $12,000 over the past 6 months. The guy graduated in the spring and was currently getting his masters. Now instead he's having his diploma revoked due to stealing from a student organization as an undergrad, he's being expelled from the university, and he's now facing felony charges which will likely wind up with him in prison for 1-3 years. Was it the right call? I think it's very obvious it was, the guy did it to himself and should pay for his actions. On the flip side, this is over a freaking fraternity which blows that amount of cash on parties. What say you? Also if I stop posting in the next month, he probably killed me.

[falc39]

You did the right thing. If he got away with what he did, it would just encourage him to do something similar in the future. Most likely with more money.

[9erempiree]

That's a tough one. I would have just chopped it up as him paying himself to be the president. It's not that much money. He probably stole the money to pay for college.

[9erempiree]

Do you have concrete proof? Was he writing checks out to himself?

[JohnFreeman]

snitch

[Brokenbeat]

You did the right thing. If he got away with what he did, it would just encourage him to do something similar in the future. Most likely with more money.

Now he'll just learn how to do a bunch of gnarly shit in prison, lol.

[SunsN07BookIt]

So he has already been arrested and booked?

[Joyner82reload]

That's a tough one. I would have just chopped it up as him paying himself to be the president. It's not that much money. He probably stole the money to pay for college.

anywhere from 70-90 fraudulent charges. The guy bought $426 worth of Luke Bryan Tickets, there are direct transfers from our bank account to his personal account(idiot), paypal transfers to his personal account, hell I have a copy of him making a $500 withdrawal the day AFTER he was removed from office and had no business doing as such. Christ the guy paid for his little sisters community college tuition with a chapter credit card 10 days ago. The proof is absolute, there is no doubt.

[Brokenbeat]

anywhere from 70-90 fraudulent charges. The guy bought $426 worth of Luke Bryan Tickets, there are direct transfers from our bank account to his personal account(idiot), paypal transfers to his personal account, hell I have a copy of him making a $500 withdrawal the day AFTER he was removed from office and had no business doing as such. Chris the guy paid for his little sisters community college tuition with a chapter credit card 10 days ago. The proof is absolute, there is no doubt.

*googles luke bryan, thinks you did the right thing


Definitely ruined his life though, lol.

[bigkingsfan]

Blackmail would have been better.

[Joyner82reload]

So he has already been arrested and booked?

He will be likely in the next 2 weeks, our National Fraternities criminal justice division is reviewing all of the transactions to 1. determine the legitimacy of the claims and 2. put a dollar figure on the missing funds so they can begin processing our fidelity/crime insurance to recover funds that were used improperly by one of the officers of the chapter. We will get everything back that he stole, obviously he's the one losing out on this.

After they've determined legitimate suspicion of guilt, they will be proceeding with criminal charges/prosecution. As of now he's been placed on interim suspension by the national fraternity which has literally never been done to any member of Greek Life at my university before.

He also deleted his facebook yesterday

[9erempiree]

anywhere from 70-90 fraudulent charges. The guy bought $426 worth of Luke Bryan Tickets, there are direct transfers from our bank account to his personal account(idiot), paypal transfers to his personal account, hell I have a copy of him making a $500 withdrawal the day AFTER he was removed from office and had no business doing as such. Chris the guy paid for his little sisters community college tuition with a chapter credit card 10 days ago. The proof is absolute, there is no doubt.

That is pretty insane but at least he was good guy by paying for his sister's education. At least he didn't try to hide it.

I thought there would be better internal controls if you guys are dealing with that much money. A student or president shouldn't have that much access to a fraternity's funds.

[Joyner82reload]

That is pretty insane but at least he was good guy by paying for his sister's education. At least he didn't try to hide it.

I thought there would be more better internal controls if you guys are dealing with that much money. A student or president shouldn't have that much access to a fraternity's funds.

It's supposed to be a check and balance between the president/treasurer with the budget committee overseeing everything. We were suspended for an entire semester for hazing so shit was kind of fvcked whenever they took office. We're now looking into the treasurer to see if he had any involvement, most likely of which would be criminal negligence/aiding and abetting.

I have a hard time believing the treasurer was so inept as to let $12k just disappear with dozens of charges per month that were MAJOR red flags waiting to be found.

[9erempiree]

It's supposed to be a check and balance between the president/treasurer with the budget committee overseeing everything. We were suspended for an entire semester for hazing so shit was kind of fvcked whenever they took office. We're now looking into the treasurer to see if he had any involvement, most likely of which would be criminal negligence/aiding and abetting.

I have a hard time believing the treasurer was so inept as to let $12k just disappear with dozens of charges per month that were MAJOR red flags waiting to be found.

I agree. That is not much money but a lot of money for a fraternity. I am not familiar with how a fraternity spends its money but it shouldn't be hard to see where the money is going. You guys are not writing and receiving checks like a business where there can me mishaps and errors from the fraternity to the banks? Are you?

I would assume the Treasurer may be involved or a complete dumbass and oblivious to what was going on. Some people may hold titles but have no idea what is going on.

Nonetheless it's very interesting. My ex-girlfriend was sort of involved with something like that when she took over a company and found out the former accountant was stealing tons of money from the company.

[Joyner82reload]

I agree. That is not much money but a lot of money for a fraternity. I am not familiar with how a fraternity spends its money but it shouldn't be hard to see where the money is going. You guys are not writing and receiving checks like a business where there can me mishaps and errors from the fraternity to the banks? Are you?

I would assume the Treasurer may be involved or a complete dumbass and oblivious to what was going on. Some people may hold titles but have no idea what is going on.

Nonetheless it's very interesting. My ex-girlfriend was sort of involved with something like that when she took over a company and found out the former accountant was stealing tons of money from the company.

We have a budget that takes care of everything. The issue is that when we were suspended, we did not pay for anything so we owed the National Fraternity/School several thousand dollars. So our normal $100,000 budget for the semester which pays for parties, rent, taxes, insurance, member fees, etc was short of what we needed(or that is what we were told). He basically lied about our previous debt in an attempt to cover up the money he was embezzling.

I.e. We owe $16,000 from last semester when we went on suspension when in actuality it was only $8,000. That alone cleared up $8k for him to spend.

[9erempiree]

We have a budget that takes care of everything. The issue is that when we were suspended, we did not pay for anything so we owed the National Fraternity/School several thousand dollars. So our normal $100,000 budget for the semester which pays for parties, rent, taxes, insurance, member fees, etc was short of what we needed(or that is what we were told). He basically lied about our previous debt in an attempt to cover up the money he was embezzling.

I.e. We owe $16,000 from last semester when we went on suspension when in actuality it was only $8,000. That alone cleared up $8k for him to spend.

Wow. He may have taken more money. To be honest, you did the right thing. You didn't ruin his life and you wouldn't be doing your job as President if you didn't report it.

[GimmeThat]

did he refuse to accept the penalty/fine given by your national fraternities criminal justice division? or is the penalty/fine given by your national fraternities criminal justice division is a direct criminal lawsuit?

without knowing whether or not this was written out in detail in the contract in which he signed onto when he pledged for the fraternity.

he's probably in the wrong.

and at the very least, you are/will be a witness.

in which, in most cases, that is the position I would suggest for someone to be at most in your position.

since its clear it will be your fraternity filing the suit, and not you personally.

[GoRapz]

Some of you know my history with my fraternity...Well I have taken over president again after the previous one was removed from office due to sucking. After performing an audit with my budget committee, I realized the guy had misused/embezzled around $12,000 over the past 6 months. The guy graduated in the spring and was currently getting his masters. Now instead he's having his diploma revoked due to stealing from a student organization as an undergrad, he's being expelled from the university, and he's now facing felony charges which will likely wind up with him in prison for 1-3 years. Was it the right call? I think it's very obvious it was, the guy did it to himself and should pay for his actions. On the flip side, this is over a freaking fraternity which blows that amount of cash on parties. What say you? Also if I stop posting in the next month, he probably killed me.

The problem is you're focusing on the things in life that don't really matter. When I was a kid I had hopes and dreams. We all did. But over time, the daily grind gets in the way and you miss the things that really matter, even though they ...are right in front of you, staring you in the face. I think the next time you should ask yourself "Am I on the right track here?". I don't mean to be rude but people like you I really pity.

[Joyner82reload]

The problem is you're focusing on the things in life that don't really matter. When I was a kid I had hopes and dreams. We all did. But over time, the daily grind gets in the way and you miss the things that really matter, even though they ...are right in front of you, staring you in the face. I think the next time you should ask yourself "Am I on the right track here?". I don't mean to be rude but people like you I really pity.

What the hell are you even talking about?

[GimmeThat]

The problem is you're focusing on the things in life that don't really matter. When I was a kid I had hopes and dreams. We all did. But over time, the daily grind gets in the way and you miss the things that really matter, even though they ...are right in front of you, staring you in the face. I think the next time you should ask yourself "Am I on the right track here?". I don't mean to be rude but people like you I really pity.

talk about wisdom.

missing the things that really matters even though they are right in front of you.


you'd think OP embezzled 12k or something like that.


you know, because integrity is right in front of us and all.
not within us.

[TheMan]

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[masonanddixon]

snitch

You live in Queensland, man, stop trying to be an American nig.

[stalkerforlife]

No need to ruin his life.

Try to talk to the prosecutors and tell them to take it easy on him.

Sad.

[Godzuki]

i feel like you should've given him a chance to repay what he took and if he didn't then followed thru on all that action. basically give him a chance to settle it.

frat guys are supposed to be drunks and all about parties and shit. like easy going, not super uptight about money, not saying u don't have a right to do what u did but its like u guys are running it like its some super serious shit. i keep thinking Animal House lol, thats the type of frat u should be shooting for, and not the one all tight with the Dean, the have fun party one.

[ballup]

Is there an option to feed him to the lions?

[boozehound]

sounds like he ruined his own life. what a ****ing fool

[DeuceWallaces]

sounds like he ruined his own life. what a ****ing fool

Ha, beat me to it. I scrolled to the bottom to state he obviously ruined his own life. Also, your frat administration must be a bunch of bozo's if they didn't notice 12K missing.

[christian1923]

This is why I always laugh when frat boys call each other brothers lol real brothers wouldn't snitch to the Feds about money, they handle that internally.

[9erempiree]

This is why I always laugh when frat boys call each other brothers lol real brothers wouldn't snitch to the Feds about money, they handle that internally.

That is damn good take on it too but it's a lot of money.

[oarabbus]

This is why I always laugh when frat boys call each other brothers lol real brothers wouldn't snitch to the Feds about money, they handle that internally.


So your brother steals $12k from you with no intentions of ever paying it back. What do you do?

[Kblaze8855]

I couldnt hve done it. Unless that money could later be assumed to have been stolen by you....thats cold.

Maybe hes a dick...maybe he earned it...but I couldnt do that.

It wasnt...morally wrong.

But I couldnt do it.

[christian1923]

So your brother steals $12k from you with no intentions of ever paying it back. What do you do?
Who said that guy wouldn't have paid it back, I didn't read that.

And no I still wouldn't snitch, I'd give him a good ol fashion asswhooping

[Bano114]

For the better of the chapter you needed to to do what you had to do. You cant have someone doing that, it being found out, and then not take it seriously. It sets a horrible example for the rest of your chapter.

What fraternity are you in?

[Brokenbeat]

Frat tard on frat tard crime. I'm so sad.

Apparently date-rape gets boring :confusedshrug:

[Nanners]

lol some of these comments are great


Frat tard on frat tard crime. I'm so sad.

:oldlol:

[TheReal Kendall]

I think you should've just let it ride man. Y'all bros right? He didn't take the money from you and if the people above him didn't notice it then why snitch.

You basically ruined his life over money that wasn't yours.(Yeah he made a big mistake but still)

Are you doing this to gain brownie points from the higher ups? Trying to show them that you're a great president.

I would've went to dude and told him to work out a payment plan to pay back the money or something.

I just can't see myself snitching on him over money that wasn't mine.

If you feel like you did the right thing then don't sweat it man.

[boozehound]

I couldnt hve done it. Unless that money could later be assumed to have been stolen by you....thats cold.

Maybe hes a dick...maybe he earned it...but I couldnt do that.

It wasnt...morally wrong.

But I couldnt do it.
so, if you were part of an organization and took over as treasurer (or some other fiscally responsible position) and saw blatant embezzlement by the prior treasurer, you wouldnt treat it as a crime. you hesitate to say that it wasnt morally wrong to turn the guy in? Are you ****ing serious? Once he discovered it, he had to act or he may be criminally liable himself. WTF is wrong with you people.

[boozehound]

I think you should've just let it ride man. Y'all bros right? He didn't take the money from you and if the people above him didn't notice it then why snitch.

You basically ruined his life over money that wasn't yours.(Yeah he made a big mistake but still)

Are you doing this to gain brownie points from the higher ups? Trying to show them that you're a great president.

I would've went to dude and told him to work out a payment plan to pay back the money or something.

I just can't see myself snitching on him over money that wasn't mine.

If you feel like you did the right thing then don't sweat it man.
it was his (and the other brothers money). Where do you think it came from?

[TheReal Kendall]

it was his (and the other brothers money). Where do you think it came from?

I guess but it's hard for me to ruin someone's life like that. I know he brought it on himself but he was basically free until Op told.

You right he had to cover his own ass. He did the right thing though.

[9erempiree]

It is a very tough choice. You either do the right thing or you report your brother and Frats are suppose to be very close. There should have been a meeting between Frat and the brother before deciding the next course.

Also, while people think it is noble to do the right thing, the OP is now considered a whistle blower. As someone that is in Corporate America, being a whistle blower can get you automatically black listed. Who wants to higher a whistle blower that can possibly snitch on my company.

[TheReal Kendall]

It is a very tough choice. You either do the right thing or you report your brother and Frats are suppose to be very close. There should have been a meeting between Frat and the brother before deciding the next course.

Also, while people think it is noble to do the right thing, the OP is now considered a whistle blower. As someone that is in Corporate America, being a whistle blower can get you automatically black listed. Who wants to higher a whistle blower that can possibly snitch on my company.

Yea I think they should've all talked it out before getting outsiders involved.

[Nick Young]

This is why I always laugh when frat boys call each other brothers lol real brothers wouldn't snitch to the Feds about money, they handle that internally.
forreal

[red1]

that's cold. he deserved an ass-kicking for stealing from your frat to buy country tickets but losing a degree and facing jail-time is just harsh

[fpliii]

I can't say you made the wrong decision from a moral/legal standpoint, but it seems you did him dirty OP. I think it would've been worth attempting to handle this internally first.

[navy]

I can't say you made the wrong decision from a moral/legal standpoint, but it seems you did him dirty OP. I think it would've been worth attempting to handle this internally first.
This. I would have told him to give the money back or you would go to the authorities. Now....he's just done.

Cant say you are at fault either way.

[Swaggin916]

Don't hate the playa hate the game is all I have to say to this

[Godzuki]

LOL OP is probably like Fukk those ISH idiots, i shouldn't have even aksed them :lol

[ALBballer]

Why should you help him? Let us assume you tell him and he returns $12k but the next treasurer digs deeper and he comes to the conclusion the guy you helped steal and you help cover his tracks. You could lose your degree as well.

I think you did the right thing and the guy is a retard that will learn the hard way. He risked his education (which I assume is well worth over $12k) for $12k.

[nathanjizzle]

bro's before doe's. you violated the cardinal rule of brothership.

[stalkerforlife]

OP gonna get phucked up.

[JohnFreeman]

What do you expect from a Durant fan? All bitches

[Lebron23]

OP gonna get phucked up.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/archived-water-cooler/7867-i-googled-joyner82-2.html

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Why should you help him? Let us assume you tell him and he returns $12k but the next treasurer digs deeper and he comes to the conclusion the guy you helped steal and you help cover his tracks. You could lose your degree as well.

I think you did the right thing and the guy is a retard that will learn the hard way. He risked his education (which I assume is well worth over $12k) for $12k.
this

[JohnFreeman]

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[Lebron23]

Some of you know my history with my fraternity...Well I have taken over president again after the previous one was removed from office due to sucking. After performing an audit with my budget committee, I realized the guy had misused/embezzled around $12,000 over the past 6 months. The guy graduated in the spring and was currently getting his masters. Now instead he's having his diploma revoked due to stealing from a student organization as an undergrad, he's being expelled from the university, and he's now facing felony charges which will likely wind up with him in prison for 1-3 years. Was it the right call? I think it's very obvious it was, the guy did it to himself and should pay for his actions. On the flip side, this is over a freaking fraternity which blows that amount of cash on parties. What say you? Also if I stop posting in the next month, he probably killed me.


Hire some body guard. The guy deserves to get expelled.

[Lebron23]

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He's gonna be in a front page of news papers if he didn't get under a police custody.

Dude is probably under major stress right now. It wasn't his fault.

[Cactus-Sack]

Snitches get stitches.

[SpecialQue]

Repped.

[cuad]

You should have blackmailed him. The guy was smart enough to drain your stupid fraternity, was going after a masters degree, and may have even had his foot in the door of high paying industry. Why get rid of an asset like that when you have his ****ing leash?

What the **** are the authorities gonna give you for snitching? Nothing. What do you think Mr. President would have given you if you said "Hey, guess what dirt I have on you, Mr. President."

You didn't **** up his life. You ****ed up yours.

[SpecialQue]

OP's thoughts right now:

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[jstern]

Obviously it was the right call. $12,000 is a lot to be stealing. He ruined his own life. $20 is too much to be stealing.

[I<3NBA]

he ruined his own life. and you covered your own ass.

[cuad]

you covered your own ass.
Get out of here. There is NO PROOF that OP was involved. Remember, there are records of Mr. President stealing. No such records exist for OP.

All he did was flush an easy future down the toilet, though it's probably for the best because he obviously doesn't deserve it.

[kNIOKAS]

Dunno, what if you approached him and talked to him? Or he's a douchebag anyway

[Rizko]

Hire some body guard. The guy deserves to get expelled.
Like he can just hire a bodyguard. Mu****a aint dat rich. Whats he supposed to do? Embezzle more money from his frat and have on off the books on the payroll?

Btw 100 k a semester for a frat. Damn. I need to make a fake identity and join a frat. Get voted prez and steal a whole semesters worth of pay. Livin large after that lol :pimp: