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Lebron23
09-03-2014, 01:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O_clEGis0w

Demitri98
09-03-2014, 01:02 PM
The mailman delivers :applause:
but not in the Finals

Encre92
09-03-2014, 01:03 PM
Very nice.

russwest0
09-03-2014, 01:06 PM
:applause:

Magic 32
09-03-2014, 01:22 PM
Only 60p/80% game ever.

Did in 33 min too.

aj1987
09-03-2014, 01:46 PM
http://youtu.be/5O_clEGis0w?t=1m54s
http://youtu.be/5O_clEGis0w?t=3m44s
http://youtu.be/5O_clEGis0w?t=10m18s

Dude is severely underrated.

fpliii
09-03-2014, 01:48 PM
One of the best half dozen PFs ever. Not a fan of his, but the dude could ball.

Marchesk
09-03-2014, 02:08 PM
Only 60p/80% game ever.

Did in 33 min too.

Wilt had a 29/35 66 point game in 1966, which is 82.9%.

Encre92
09-03-2014, 02:20 PM
Wilt had a 29/35 66 point game in 1966, which is 82.9%.
lmao 1966.

http://i.imgur.com/jxUF01M.gif

Magic 32
09-03-2014, 03:17 PM
Wilt had a 29/35 66 point game in 1966, which is 82.9%.

well...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-a1ermWcdB0A/UYG0n9ODRVI/AAAAAAAAETY/hT4EQUWZ9kI/s800/david-jackson-wilt-chamberlain-kansas-university-jayhawks-1957.jpg

Marchesk
09-03-2014, 03:27 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OzH5UxaNd2M/Tio8dXwMfOI/AAAAAAAABQw/jA9l1OttiHo/s1600/jason-kidd-posting-shaq-hair-blonde-nba-funny-photos.jpg

http://wannadunk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Shaq-Dunk-on-Joakim-Noah.jpg

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Shaquille-ONeal-Dunks-On-JaVale-McGee.jpg

http://www.hypun.com/lollibs/gallery_thumbs_l/15194203.gif

choppermagic
09-03-2014, 03:31 PM
And when you say "only" and "ever", then you can't ignore decades of basketball.

Big#50
09-03-2014, 05:02 PM
**** that dirty mother****er. But sick game. If only he played in the post he would have been even more dominant.

East_Stone_Ya
09-03-2014, 05:16 PM
yeah what a sick game by Mailman :applause:

the man who is responsible of putting the power to the forward

longhornfan1234
09-03-2014, 05:18 PM
One of the best half dozen PFs ever. Not a fan of his, but the dude could ball.
why?

CavaliersFTW
09-03-2014, 05:21 PM
well...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-a1ermWcdB0A/UYG0n9ODRVI/AAAAAAAAETY/hT4EQUWZ9kI/s800/david-jackson-wilt-chamberlain-kansas-university-jayhawks-1957.jpg
Midwest NCAA in the 50's (10-15% black? ...collegiate students) = / = The NBA in 1966 (56% black ...professional athletes)

Nice try.

ProfessorMurder
09-03-2014, 05:22 PM
Malone was a monster. 20 years of elite production. Post game, jumper, runs the floor, rebounds, goon. I want that guy on my team.

YouGotServed
09-03-2014, 05:23 PM
*in before KBlaze meltdown*

aj1987
09-03-2014, 05:40 PM
well...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-a1ermWcdB0A/UYG0n9ODRVI/AAAAAAAAETY/hT4EQUWZ9kI/s800/david-jackson-wilt-chamberlain-kansas-university-jayhawks-1957.jpg
Is that hoop really low or is it just me?

SHAQisGOAT
09-03-2014, 06:20 PM
:bowdown:

Malone was so strong, can run the break, finish, play in the post, rebound, be physical... Beast!

Sad to see how the Bucks ended up, though, after having great teams in the 80's.

Hamtaro CP3KDKG
09-03-2014, 06:25 PM
Great regular season player:applause:

JT123
09-03-2014, 06:33 PM
Why couldn't Malone ever play like this when it mattered? :confusedshrug:
His signature playoff moment is getting stripped of the ball by Jordan before the game winning shot. :facepalm Weak era superstar.

Milbuck
09-03-2014, 06:48 PM
:bowdown:

Malone was so strong, can run the break, finish, play in the post, rebound, be physical... Beast!

Sad to see how the Bucks ended up, though, after having great teams in the 80's.
Bucks in 3-4 years will be better than they were in the 80s..

SHAQisGOAT
09-03-2014, 07:10 PM
Bucks in 3-4 years will be better than they were in the 80s..

Good to have faith in your team but not really... Bucks in the 80s, at some point or another, had:

Moncrief (top3 SG in the league, best at some point)
Marques Johnson (premier SF with really good peak)
Cummings (at his best was one of the top PF's in the game)
Brian Winters (Jordan called him the best pure shooter he's ever seen, dude could really ball)
Paul Pressey (one of the best point forwards ever at his peak, great defender)
Ricky Pierce (one of the GOAT 6th men)
Bob Lanier (still serviceable)
Junior Bridgeman (wing that could get plenty of buckets)
Alton Lister (one of the best shot-blockers in the league)
Craig Hodges (all-time pure 3pt shooter)

Hard to really **** with that... In another time, they would've gotten to the Finals at some point, and even go all the way maybe, who knows...

Bucks best season was in 1971 though, easily.

fpliii
09-03-2014, 07:13 PM
why?
Always thought of him and Stockton as dirty players. :confusedshrug:

fpliii
09-03-2014, 07:14 PM
Midwest NCAA in the 50's (10-15% black? ...collegiate students) = / = The NBA in 1966 (56% black ...professional athletes)

Nice try.
:applause:

Psileas
09-03-2014, 07:53 PM
Wilt had a 29/35 66 point game in 1966, which is 82.9%.

In 1969, actually. Highest FG% for a 60-pointer ever. Oldest player to have ever scored 60+. And 27 rebounds and 4 assists for good measure. :applause:

Psileas
09-03-2014, 07:54 PM
well...

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-a1ermWcdB0A/UYG0n9ODRVI/AAAAAAAAETY/hT4EQUWZ9kI/s800/david-jackson-wilt-chamberlain-kansas-university-jayhawks-1957.jpg

You were wrong. All the excuses in the world (and you didn't even find a good one) won't change that.
Accept it and move on.

Milbuck
09-03-2014, 08:10 PM
Good to have faith in your team but not really... Bucks in the 80s, at some point or another, had:

Moncrief (top3 SG in the league, best at some point)
Marques Johnson (premier SF with really good peak)
Cummings (at his best was one of the top PF's in the game)
Brian Winters (Jordan called him the best pure shooter he's ever seen, dude could really ball)
Paul Pressey (one of the best point forwards ever at his peak, great defender)
Ricky Pierce (one of the GOAT 6th men)
Bob Lanier (still serviceable)
Junior Bridgeman (wing that could get plenty of buckets)
Alton Lister (one of the best shot-blockers in the league)
Craig Hodges (all-time pure 3pt shooter)

Hard to really **** with that... In another time, they would've gotten to the Finals at some point, and even go all the way maybe, who knows...

Bucks best season was in 1971 though, easily.
They were sick no doubt..but to definitively count out the Bucks doing some damage in the next decade is unreasonable considering how high a ceiling both Jabari and Giannis have..and we're most likely gonna have another top 5 pick this next draft. And with new ownership and management, there's really no telling how good we could be down the road.

Every team starts somewhere..we're there right now. The Bucks of the 80s were great but they weren't some 86 Celtics-esque juggernaut. If the Clippers can go from one of the biggest joke franchises of all time to a contender within 4-5 years, I don't see how we can't become a consistently elite team by building around 2 of the best prospects of the past 2 drafts..

AirGauge23
09-03-2014, 08:19 PM
The mailman delivers :applause:
but not in the Finals

Not on Sundays.

Right, Pip? :lol

Round Mound
09-03-2014, 08:23 PM
Best Catch and Finish Player Ever.

fourkicks44
09-03-2014, 08:40 PM
http://youtu.be/5O_clEGis0w?t=1m54s
http://youtu.be/5O_clEGis0w?t=3m44s
http://youtu.be/5O_clEGis0w?t=10m18s

Dude is severely underrated.

By who?

GrapeApe
09-03-2014, 09:21 PM
MJ basically prevented him from being a concensus top 10 player. He was great defensively in his prime too.

LAZERUSS
09-03-2014, 11:08 PM
lmao 1966.

http://i.imgur.com/jxUF01M.gif

Oh of course. Truly laughable.

Interesting, though, was that that game actually came in 1969, and it was his SECOND 60+ point game within a few days. And BOTH came against centers that a PEAK Kareem would face multiple times in his career, and his high game against both, was 41 points.

This from a 33 year old Wilt, in a season in which he averaged 20.5 ppg, and on a career low (at the time) 13.6 FGA. Oh, and the first 60 point game came the night before Sports Illustrated ran an article which hit the news stand the next day, in which it claimed that Wilt could no longer score.

Of course, how many other centers have had a 62 point game against a prime Russell? And how about Chamberlain's 73 point game against the PEAK 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy. In fact, Wilt had a single season in which he hung THREE 60+ point games on Bellamy (BTW, Bellamy averaged 33 ppg against Russell in that season.) Oh, and KAJ faced Bellamy in some 25 H2H's, and his three highest games were 41, 39, and 35 points. Wilt vs. Bellamy? Seasons, covering 20 straight games in which he AVERAGED 48 ppg against Walt (you did indeed read that right...Chamberlain averaged nearly 50 ppg over the course of 20 straight H2H's with Bellamy.)

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Lebron23
09-03-2014, 11:12 PM
Why couldn't Malone ever play like this when it mattered? :confusedshrug:
His signature playoff moment is getting stripped of the ball by Jordan before the game winning shot. :facepalm Weak era superstar.


In fairness to Malone. He was really good in the 1998 NBA Finals, and 1998 NBA Playoffs. And he was a very productive playoffs performer in his entire NBA Career. It sucks that the jazz didn't have a much deeper bench.

kamil
09-03-2014, 11:20 PM
http://massivnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Karl-Malone.gif

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/456/898/karl-malone-musculos_display_image.jpg

LAZERUSS
09-04-2014, 12:52 AM
As a side-note....there have been six 60+ point games in which the player shot at least .700 from the field, and Wilt has FOUR of them.

LAZERUSS
09-04-2014, 01:04 AM
Another side-note...

Chamberlain's 100 point game was his 4th straight game of 60+ points. And 5th in six games. And 6th in a nine game streak. And 7th in a span of 12 games.

Think about that...

Kobe and MJ each had five games of 60+ in their entire careers. Wilt had five in a span of eight days, six in a span of of 13 days, and seven in a span 17 days.

:bowdown:

JT123
09-04-2014, 01:17 AM
In fairness to Malone. He was really good in the 1998 NBA Finals, and 1998 NBA Playoffs. And he was a very productive playoffs performer in his entire NBA Career. It sucks that the jazz didn't have a much deeper bench.
Not really. He was basically a no show until the last 2 games of the series. The Jazz bench was good enough to beat the stacked Lakers in 98, so I don't think that is a viable excuse. As I said in another thread Malone had some really good teams even after MJ and the Bulls broke up. In fact Malone called Utah's 2000-2001 roster the best team he had ever played on, and he couldn't even get them out of the first round that year. :facepalm

Psileas
09-04-2014, 08:26 AM
Oh of course. Truly laughable.

Interesting, though, was that that game actually came in 1969, and it was his SECOND 60+ point game within a few days. And BOTH came against centers that a PEAK Kareem would face multiple times in his career, and his high game against both, was 41 points.

This from a 33 year old Wilt, in a season in which he averaged 20.5 ppg, and on a career low (at the time) 13.6 FGA. Oh, and the first 60 point game came the night before Sports Illustrated ran an article which hit the news stand the next day, in which it claimed that Wilt could no longer score.

Of course, how many other centers have had a 62 point game against a prime Russell? And how about Chamberlain's 73 point game against the PEAK 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy. In fact, Wilt had a single season in which he hung THREE 60+ point games on Bellamy (BTW, Bellamy averaged 33 ppg against Russell in that season.) Oh, and KAJ faced Bellamy in some 25 H2H's, and his three highest games were 41, 39, and 35 points. Wilt vs. Bellamy? Seasons, covering 20 straight games in which he AVERAGED 48 ppg against Walt (you did indeed read that right...Chamberlain averaged nearly 50 ppg over the course of 20 straight H2H's with Bellamy.)

:roll: :roll: :roll:

He's just a troll or a typical know-nothing-pretend-to-know-everything, 1-liner, kind of poster. He doesn't care about facts. Ignore him. You're wasting your time.



Another side-note...

Chamberlain's 100 point game was his 4th straight game of 60+ points. And 5th in six games. And 6th in a nine game streak. And 7th in a span of 12 games.

Think about that...

Kobe and MJ each had five games of 60+ in their entire careers. Wilt had five in a span of eight days, six in a span of of 13 days, and seven in a span 17 days.

GOAT GOATing. But, to the point, impressive game by Malone, posting the 2nd most efficient 60-pointer ever in the least minutes anyone played in such a game (along with Gervin) and 18 rebounds and 3 blocks. To be honest, I found his highlights a bit boring compared to other 60-pointers, but I'm sure it would look a lot different for someone watching the entire game, especially live.

PHILA
09-04-2014, 08:58 AM
In 1969, actually. Highest FG% for a 60-pointer ever. Oldest player to have ever scored 60+. And 27 rebounds and 4 assists for good measure. :applause:
Star News - Feb 10, 1969

Wilt To The Rescue

On the night the Lakers learned they have lost all star guard Jerry West for probably two weeks, Wilt Chamberlain took control. Powering his way to the basket in the style he made famous, Chamberlain simply overwhelmed his opposition with an astounding 66 points as the Lakers scrapped their way to a 134-116 decision over the Phoenix Suns before 8,840 spectators Sunday night at The Forum.

Chamberlain's output was manufactured from 29 field goals of 35 attempts and eight of 18 free throws. When he wasn't forging his way to the basket, the 7-1 275-pound Chamberlain found time to snap up 18 rebounds and hand off four assists. He even blocked a couple
of shots.

"I simply have to shoot more with Jerry out," said Chamberlain in way of explanation.

"Wilt and I talked about it before the game," said coach Bill Van Breda Kolff. "It was evident Saturday night in Phoenix that he could score off Jim Fox and we wanted to take advantage of the situation."

Dr. Robert Kerlan examined West earlier in the day. West reinjured a pulled hamstring in his left leg and will miss at least a week of action, more probably two.

With this in mind, Van Breda Kolff told Chamberlain: "We're going to go to you tonight." After Phoenix ran up a 6-0 lead, Chamberlain went to work with a stuff shot. He scored 17 points in each of the first two quarters, 22 in the third, and 10 in the fourth.

"There's no question," said Phoenix coach John Kerr, "that Wilt can score against anybody. He was as good tonight as I have ever seen him."

Baylor, normally the No. 1 Laker offensive gun, played a stellar supporting role to Chamberlain. As a matter of fact, Baylor dished out 15 assists for a personal high.

"When Wilt is having a night like that", said the Laker captain, "there's only one thing to do - get the ball into him. It's not our basic style, and we tend to lose movement trying to find the pivot man. But I think we regained movement when they started to collapse around Wilt."

With Dick Van Arsdale (32), Gail Goodrich (23), and Bob Warlick (20) leading the way, the Suns refused to be awed by Chamberlain's offensive show.

Actually they led at half 67-61.

Chamberlain started off the third quarter with a three-point play, and shortly thereafter he spurred the Lakers into a 21-4 explosion that carried from a 72-71 deficit to a 92-76 lead.

It was during this carnage that Chamberlain scored his 50th point to break the Forum record of 49 set by West last year.

So prolific were his efforts that the crowd began chanting: "Wilt, Wilt, Wilt, Wilt."

"Yes, I could hear them," smiled Chamberlain. Fans are funny. You give them 50 points, they want 60. You give them 60, they want 70."

Because of Wilt, the Lakers shot 60.9 percent for the night, second best in team history. His shot assortment included 14 dunks, 10 layups, 5 fadeways and 8 free throws.

Stringer Bell
09-04-2014, 03:29 PM
Great player.

Dirtbag of a person who abandonded his child after he impregnated his 12 year old neighbor (when he was 19), but a great PF.

MiseryCityTexas
09-04-2014, 04:04 PM
Malone shoulda scored at least 90 on them Bucks teams because them early 90s Bucks teams were god awful. Who were like the best players on them garbage ass teams? Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, and blue Edwards?:oldlol:

ProfessorMurder
09-04-2014, 06:15 PM
Great player.

Dirtbag of a person who abandonded his child after he impregnated his 12 year old neighbor (when he was 19), but a great PF.

She wasn't his neighbor. He met her when she was drunk at a frat party at his college. Don't act like he was perving middle schools.

Stringer Bell
09-04-2014, 09:12 PM
She wasn't his neighbor. He met her when she was drunk at a frat party at his college. Don't act like he was perving middle schools.

Things I read said that she was a neighbor and they didn't pursue charges because Malone was a "neighborhood kid" in a small town.

I haven't really found that much detailed info on this mess.

Anyway, the 61 point game was shortly after AC Green was chosen over him as an all-star starter.

AC GREEN.

I think Malone had one game after this was announced, then exploded for 61 to send a message and let out some anger.

ProfessorMurder
09-04-2014, 09:25 PM
Things I read said that she was a neighbor and they didn't pursue charges because Malone was a "neighborhood kid" in a small town.

I haven't really found that much detailed info on this mess.

Anyway, the 61 point game was shortly after AC Green was chosen over him as an all-star starter.

AC GREEN.

I think Malone had one game after this was announced, then exploded for 61 to send a message and let out some anger.

I can't remember what I watched, some doc about Malone maybe Beyond The Glory, but according to that they met at a college frat party. They didn't charge him or get her an abortion because they thought he'd be a lottery ticket for the family since he looked like he was going pro.

He still messed with her, which is obviously wrong, but if that story is true I can't really blame him.

And yeah, part of this game was that he was pissed about not starting the all star game. Wish he would've just kept dumping it in and hit 70+.

L.A. Jazz
09-05-2014, 03:14 AM
That AC Green selection shows what making the finals and winning rings makes out of roleplayers. they get hyped and overrated. AC was the 4/5/6 best player for the Lakers and he gets All-Star over Malone who was the go-to-scorer and 1a/1b with Stockton in Utah. AC was nowhere near as good as Karl.

Psileas
09-05-2014, 06:40 AM
Star News - Feb 10, 1969

Wilt To The Rescue

On the night the Lakers learned they have lost all star guard Jerry West for probably two weeks, Wilt Chamberlain took control. Powering his way to the basket in the style he made famous, Chamberlain simply overwhelmed his opposition with an astounding 66 points as the Lakers scrapped their way to a 134-116 decision over the Phoenix Suns before 8,840 spectators Sunday night at The Forum.

Chamberlain's output was manufactured from 29 field goals of 35 attempts and eight of 18 free throws. When he wasn't forging his way to the basket, the 7-1 275-pound Chamberlain found time to snap up 18 rebounds and hand off four assists. He even blocked a couple
of shots.

"I simply have to shoot more with Jerry out," said Chamberlain in way of explanation.

"Wilt and I talked about it before the game," said coach Bill Van Breda Kolff. "It was evident Saturday night in Phoenix that he could score off Jim Fox and we wanted to take advantage of the situation."

Dr. Robert Kerlan examined West earlier in the day. West reinjured a pulled hamstring in his left leg and will miss at least a week of action, more probably two.

With this in mind, Van Breda Kolff told Chamberlain: "We're going to go to you tonight." After Phoenix ran up a 6-0 lead, Chamberlain went to work with a stuff shot. He scored 17 points in each of the first two quarters, 22 in the third, and 10 in the fourth.

"There's no question," said Phoenix coach John Kerr, "that Wilt can score against anybody. He was as good tonight as I have ever seen him."

Baylor, normally the No. 1 Laker offensive gun, played a stellar supporting role to Chamberlain. As a matter of fact, Baylor dished out 15 assists for a personal high.

"When Wilt is having a night like that", said the Laker captain, "there's only one thing to do - get the ball into him. It's not our basic style, and we tend to lose movement trying to find the pivot man. But I think we regained movement when they started to collapse around Wilt."

With Dick Van Arsdale (32), Gail Goodrich (23), and Bob Warlick (20) leading the way, the Suns refused to be awed by Chamberlain's offensive show.

Actually they led at half 67-61.

Chamberlain started off the third quarter with a three-point play, and shortly thereafter he spurred the Lakers into a 21-4 explosion that carried from a 72-71 deficit to a 92-76 lead.

It was during this carnage that Chamberlain scored his 50th point to break the Forum record of 49 set by West last year.

So prolific were his efforts that the crowd began chanting: "Wilt, Wilt, Wilt, Wilt."

"Yes, I could hear them," smiled Chamberlain. Fans are funny. You give them 50 points, they want 60. You give them 60, they want 70."

Because of Wilt, the Lakers shot 60.9 percent for the night, second best in team history. His shot assortment included 14 dunks, 10 layups, 5 fadeways and 8 free throws.

Love this analysis, although I've read different reports on the number of his rebounds and dunks.
"Dat statpadder could only muster 10 points in the 4th - well, maybe he choked instead of padding this time - not sure how to blame him, but I'll find a way".

sportjames23
09-05-2014, 07:01 AM
MJ basically prevented him from being a concensus top 10 player. He was great defensively in his prime too.


MJ did that to a lot of players. :pimp:

sportjames23
09-05-2014, 07:04 AM
http://massivnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Karl-Malone.gif

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/456/898/karl-malone-musculos_display_image.jpg


Now, look at this pic of Malone. He was always listed at 260lbs. Lebron today is listed at that weight.

Does anyone really believe Lebron weighs the same as prime Mailman?

fpliii
09-05-2014, 10:32 AM
Because of Wilt, the Lakers shot 60.9 percent for the night, second best in team history. His shot assortment included 14 dunks, 10 layups, 5 fadeways and 8 free throws.[/I]
:applause: Pretty cool stuff.

Just wondering, have you seen any other such breakdowns over his career of shot selections in a given game?

julizaver
09-05-2014, 10:46 AM
:applause: Pretty cool stuff.

Just wondering, have you seen any other such breakdowns over his career of shot selections in a given game?

His first game versus Russell - but it was one of Wilts bad nights. As I remembered he missed all of his 6 hook shots.

Psileas
09-05-2014, 11:14 AM
His first game versus Russell - but it was one of Wilts bad nights. As I remembered he missed all of his 6 hook shots.

Interesting that he shot so many of them back then. I remember only having seen him take like 2 hook shots in video, 1 missed - 1 made.

LAZERUSS
09-05-2014, 09:23 PM
His first game versus Russell - but it was one of Wilts bad nights. As I remembered he missed all of his 6 hook shots.

Ah, the epic first encounter between Russell and Wilt...

Russell scored 22 points, on 7-19 shooting, with 35 rebounds, while Chamberlain scored 30 on a horrific 12-38 from the field, with 30 rebounds.

Sports Illustrated sent Jerry Tax to cover the game...

"What the duel proved, chiefly, is that against Russell, Chamberlain cannot get away with the few simple offensive moves he has found so effective against lessor men."


Oh, and in their very next meeting...Wilt outscored Russell, 45-15, outshot Russell, 19-37 to 7-19, and outrebounded Russell, 35-13.

As a side-note, if you subtract that first H2H from their other 10 H2H games that season, and Wilt outscored Russell, per game, 40.0 ppg to 19.6 ppg; outrebounded Russell, per game, 29.8 rpg to 22.6 rpg; and outshot Russell from the floor, .482 to .399 (in a league with an eFG% of .410.

Not bad for a rookie going up against the greatest defensive center in NBA history, and against the greatest dynasty in NBA history...

LAZERUSS
09-05-2014, 09:27 PM
Love this analysis, although I've read different reports on the number of his rebounds and dunks.
"Dat statpadder could only muster 10 points in the 4th - well, maybe he choked instead of padding this time - not sure how to blame him, but I'll find a way".

Interesting...NBAstats.net had Wilt with 27 rebounds in that game (instead of the 18 in the article.)

julizaver
09-06-2014, 02:26 AM
Interesting...NBAstats.net had Wilt with 27 rebounds in that game (instead of the 18 in the article.)

With this in mind, Van Breda Kolff told Chamberlain: "We're going to go to you tonight." After Phoenix ran up a 6-0 lead, Chamberlain went to work with a stuff shot. He scored 17 points in each of the first two quarters, 22 in the third, and 10 in the fourth.

"When Wilt is having a night like that", said the Laker captain, "there's only one thing to do - get the ball into him. It's not our basic style, and we tend to lose movement trying to find the pivot man. But I think we regained movement when they started to collapse around Wilt."

LAZERUSS
09-06-2014, 06:55 AM
With this in mind, Van Breda Kolff told Chamberlain: "We're going to go to you tonight." After Phoenix ran up a 6-0 lead, Chamberlain went to work with a stuff shot. He scored 17 points in each of the first two quarters, 22 in the third, and 10 in the fourth.

"When Wilt is having a night like that", said the Laker captain, "there's only one thing to do - get the ball into him. It's not our basic style, and we tend to lose movement trying to find the pivot man. But I think we regained movement when they started to collapse around Wilt."

I wish I could find PHILA's article which quoted Van Breda Kolff as saying something along the lines of, "When we pass the ball into Wilt, he will score. But it is an ugly offense to watch."

Clearly your bolded points above speak volumes about VBK's inept coaching. The Lakers had acquired Chamberlain to finally fix their one weakness against Boston, and yet the clown had him playing the high post, and was even benching him during the season (as well as in the last five minutes of the biggest game of his coaching career.) Even in that game seven, VBK's incompetence shined. Early in the 4th quarter, Russell picked up his fifth personal foul (BTW, Wilt already had five fouls at that point), and the Lakers immediately went into Chamberlain. Wilt went right around the matador defense of Russell for an easy layin. It would be the last time Wilt would touch the ball down low against Russell. Instead of milking a sure-thing, VBK instead had Baylor shot-jacking his team right down the drain.

In any case, this was just another example of Wilt doing whatever was asked of him by his coach. In Lynch's book, he mentions that when Hannum came to Philly before the start of the '67 season, he had asked Wilt to become much more of a facilitator, which, of course, Chamberlain did. But in an early season encounter with Thurmond's Warriors, the Sixers were down at half-time. Hannum told his team to feed the ball into Wilt, and asked that Wilt take it to Nate in the second half. Chamberlain scored 24 second half points (for the game, he scored 30, on 13-18 shooting, with 26 rebounds, 13 assists, and 12 blocks), in a come-from-behind win.

And of course, we all know that it was NOT Wilt's idea to average 50 ppg in a season, but rather that of his COACH, Frank McGuire. McGuire had witnessed Chamberlain's teammates shooting .332 in the first round of the playoffs in '61, and being swept by the Nats, and decided that the Warrior's only chance was for Wilt to score as much as he could. And it made sense, too. He figured Wilt would make 50% of his shots, while his teammates would struggle to make 40% of their's. What was even more fascinating, though, was that, for some strange reason, McGuire changed that strategy in the post-season. In fact, with his team again having problems with Syracuse, and the series tied 2-2, and going into the deciding fifth game, he once again had Wilt's teammates just go to Wilt almost exclusively, and, as usual, Chamberlain responded with a massive 56-35 game...in a win BTW.

One thing is for sure... no other GOAT candidate was asked to change his game, more than Wilt. And yet the "bashers" would have you believe that Wilt was a selfish ball-hog who never listened to his coaches.

lakers_forever
09-06-2014, 08:00 AM
Now, look at this pic of Malone. He was always listed at 260lbs. Lebron today is listed at that weight.

Does anyone really believe Lebron weighs the same as prime Mailman?

This. I can't believe people fall for this myth. Lebron is not even that big. Malone was listed at 6'9 255. Lebron is 6'8 and ESPN guys always says this 270 bs. Malone was bigger and taller. How the hell could Lebron have 15 pounds on Malone?

http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/headlines/2013/05/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-shirtless-miami-men.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/z%20Body%20and%20Muscle%20of/Karl%20Malone/c8562cc1.jpg

Psileas
09-06-2014, 08:54 AM
This. I can't believe people fall for this myth. Lebron is not even that big. Malone was listed at 6'9 255. Lebron is 6'8 and ESPN guys always says this 270 bs. Malone was bigger and taller. How the hell could Lebron have 15 pounds on Malone?

http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/headlines/2013/05/lebron-james-dwyane-wade-shirtless-miami-men.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/y%20NBA%20etc/z%20Body%20and%20Muscle%20of/Karl%20Malone/c8562cc1.jpg

I don't buy for a second LeBron is 270, but how valid is it that Malone was only 255 in the late 90's? This figure had been there like forever and is likely only covering a specific older period when Malone had less muscle mass than later. Does it sound off to assume that late 90's Malone hovered around 270 lbs and LeBron at 255?

lakers_forever
09-06-2014, 11:01 AM
I don't buy for a second LeBron is 270, but how valid is it that Malone was only 255 in the late 90's? This figure had been there like forever and is likely only covering a specific older period when Malone had less muscle mass than later. Does it sound off to assume that late 90's Malone hovered around 270 lbs and LeBron at 255?

No. That sounds plausible indeed. But I think there is a good case he was 255/260 or really close to that:

This 2012 yahoo article on Malone says that he was 260 then, only 10 pounds
heavier than his playing days.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/karl-malone-still-working-harder-called-disneyland-dad-190628779--nba.html

This 2013 article claims he was at 256 pounds then, the same as his playing days.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/56632474-87/malone-jazz-karl-coach.html.csp

We do agree that there's no way Lebron is 270. Ben Wallace was taller and listed as 240 and he looks bigger than Lebron. Seriously, Lebron looks like a normal fit guy in those pictures, not that huge muscular monster the media paints him to be.

PS: I'm not hating on Lebron the player. He is the best player in the NBA and one of the very best players ever. Just hating on that BS the media says about him.