what is the ABSOLUTE BEST league wide talent point in NBA history?

[kennethgriffin]

IMO 2006

Kobe Bryant = absolute prime ( HOF )
Lebron James = beginning of prime ( HOF )
Allen Iverson = end of prime ( HOF )
Kevin Garnett = end of prime ( HOF )
Dwyane Wade = beginning of prime ( HOF )
Dirk Nowitzki = beginning of prime ( HOF )
Paul Pierce = Absolute prime ( HOF )
Carmelo Anthony = beginning of prime ( HOF )
Ray Allen = Absolute prime ( HOF )
Vince Carter = end of prime ( HOF )
Tracy Mcgrady = end of prime ( HOF )
Chris Bosh = beginning of prime ( HOF )
Shawn Marion = absolute prime ( HOF )
Antawn Jamison = Absolute prime ( POSSIBLE HOF )
Pau Gasol = Beginning of prime ( POSSIBLE HOF )
Chris Webber = end of prime ( HOF )
Joe Johnson = absolute prime ( POSSIBLE HOF )
tony parker = beginning of prime ( HOF )
steve nash = absolute prime ( HOF )
tim duncan = end of prime ( HOF )
chauncey billups = end of prime ( HOF )
jason kidd = end of prime ( HOF )
ben wallace = absolute prime ( HOF )


Honorable mention = Shaquille o'neal = last great season ( HOF )

[MP.Trey]

Mehmet Okur :oldlol:

Yeah, that was a pretty good time for individual talent though. Could probably find some other times in the 60's/70's/80's that are comparable but I don't have time for that.

[Young X]

1990

MJ
Magic
Bird
Barkley
Hakeem
Ewing
Malone
Robinson
Wilkins
Drexler
KJ
Thomas
Stockton
Hardaway
McHale
Miller
Price
Mullin
Worthy

[Myth]

2005 was pretty good. So good that absolute prime Kobe couldn't even make playoffs. :applause:

[Kblaze8855]

Thing about this is all it leads to is a lot of great players from the past being mentioned followed by laughs from people who dont know shit about them.

I mean...Jason Richardson? Even Rip Hamilton.

If Jrich justifies a mention there are teams with 6 guys who belong on such a list.

[kennethgriffin]

1990

MJ
Magic
Bird = past prime
Barkley
Hakeem
Ewing
Malone
Robinson
Wilkins
Drexler
KJ
Thomas
Stockton
Hardaway
McHale
Miller
Price
Mullin
Worthy

good list. 19 HOF'rs

i posted 20 i think. and some guys i didnt list as HOF might end up making it anyway.

[SouBeachTalents]

1988

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
Moses
Malone
Barkley
Isiah
Stockton
Drexler
Ewing
McHale
Wilkins
Dantley
English
Worthy
Mullin

HM- Kareem

Including Kareem

5 of the top 10
10 of the top 25
15 of the top 50

[kennethgriffin]

This about this is all it leads to is a lot of great players from the past being mentioned followed by laughs from people who dont know shit about them.

I mean...Jason Richardson? Even Rip Hamilton.

If Jrich justifies a mention there are teams with 6 guys who belong on such a list.

ok fine i'l cut out the non HOF'rs... but i might leave "possible HOFrs"

[kennethgriffin]

2006 = 23 HOF'rs in their prime ( 24 counting shaq if 2006 is his last prime season )

[kennethgriffin]

really makes todays league look like trash

Lebron
Durant
Carmelo
Paul
Dwight


only 5 guaranteed prime HOF'rs

i dunno i might be obviously missing some. but my god

:facepalm

[Marchesk]

1969

Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Oscar
West
Baylor
Havlicek
Earl Monroe
Walt Frazier
Nate Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Bob Lanier
Gus Johnson
Elvin Hayes
Hal Greer
Willis Reed
Walt Bellamy
Lenny Wilkins
Gail Goodrich
Dave Bing
Chet Walker
Richie Guerin
Bailey Howell
Guy Rogers

24 total, 3 in the top 5, 7 in the top 20.

[SouBeachTalents]

1969

Wilt
Russell
Kareem
Oscar
West
Baylor
Havlicek
Earl Monroe
Walt Frazier
Nate Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Bob Lanier
Gus Johnson
Elvin Hayes
Hal Greer
Willis Reed
Walt Bellamy
Lenny Wilkins
Gail Goodrich
Dave Bing
Chet Walker
Richie Guerin
Bailey Howell

3 in the top 5, 7 in the top 20.

Russell & Kareem were never in the league at the same time

[Marchesk]

Oh, we're doing primes?

[Marchesk]

Russell & Kareem were never in the league at the same time

Oh, you're right. Wrong season for Russell.

[Hey Yo]

IMO 2006

Kobe Bryant = absolute prime ( HOF )
Lebron James = beginning of prime ( HOF )
Allen Iverson = end of prime ( HOF )
Kevin Garnett = end of prime ( HOF )
Dwyane Wade = beginning of prime ( HOF )
Dirk Nowitzki = beginning of prime ( HOF )
Paul Pierce = Absolute prime ( HOF )
Carmelo Anthony = beginning of prime ( HOF )
Ray Allen = Absolute prime ( HOF )
Vince Carter = end of prime ( HOF )
Tracy Mcgrady = end of prime ( HOF )
Chris Bosh = beginning of prime ( HOF )
Shawn Marion = absolute prime ( HOF )
Antawn Jamison = Absolute prime ( POSSIBLE HOF )
Pau Gasol = Beginning of prime ( POSSIBLE HOF )
Chris Webber = end of prime ( HOF )
Joe Johnson = absolute prime ( POSSIBLE HOF )
tony parker = beginning of prime ( HOF )
steve nash = absolute prime ( HOF )
tim duncan = end of prime ( HOF )
chauncey billups = end of prime ( HOF )
jason kidd = end of prime ( HOF )
ben wallace = absolute prime ( HOF )


Honorable mention = Shaquille o'neal = last great season ( HOF )
Not HOF'ers

[SouBeachTalents]

Not HOF'ers

Honestly, he won't deserve it, but due to his absurd 9 all-star selections (and counting) and 2 3rd wheel rings, Bosh will get in

[kennethgriffin]

Not HOF'ers
Melo

11 seasons
20K points
25ppg,6reb,3apg career
7 time allstar
6 time all nba


Bosh

11 seasons
19ppg,9reb,2apg career
2 time nba champion ( as a corner stone )
9 time allstar



Marion

15 seasons
almost 20K points
16/9/2 career
NBA champion ( as defensive MVP in the finals )
4 time allstar
2 time all nba
Single handedly shut down lebron james more than any other player in nba history to win the 2011 nba title


Wallace

defensive legend
NBA champion ( as defensive MVP of the finals and entire nba season )
4 time nba allstar
5 time all nba
6 time all defense
5 time all defensive 1st team
4 time defensive player of the year





:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[BoutPractice]

Late 60s, mid to late 80s, and mid 00s are good picks.

Mid 00s are looking surprisingly strong in retrospect.

If you take 05 for example, you have 4 players who have been argued in the top 10 (prime Duncan and Kobe, late prime Shaq, and sophomore LeBron already averaging his 27/7/7 or whatever it was), 3 players who have been argued in the top 20 (Garnett, Dirk, Wade), two MVPs in Nash and AI, and HOF caliber players everywhere you look (kennethgriffin's post even misses some, like Yao).

Strangely, the teams that won right around that time weren't the strongest. You only need to compare the 06 Heat and the 08 Celtics...

[kennethgriffin]

Late 60s, mid to late 80s, and mid 00s are good picks.

Mid 00s are looking surprisingly strong in retrospect.

If you take 05 for example, you have 4 players who have been argued in the top 10 (prime Duncan and Kobe, late prime Shaq, and sophomore LeBron already averaging his 27/7/7 or whatever it was), 3 players who have been argued in the top 20 (Garnett, Dirk, Wade), two MVPs in Nash and AI, and HOF caliber players everywhere you look (kennethgriffin's post even misses some, like Yao).

Strangely, the teams that won right around that time weren't the strongest. You only need to compare the 06 Heat and the 08 Celtics...

this was before colluding became popular

[aj1987]

So Wade won a ring in the most HOF stacked era in recent history? :applause:

[Hey Yo]

Melo

11 seasons
20K points
25ppg,6reb,3apg career
7 time allstar
6 time all nba


Bosh

11 seasons
19ppg,9reb,2apg career
2 time nba champion ( as a corner stone )
9 time allstar



Marion

15 seasons
almost 20K points
16/9/2 career
NBA champion ( as defensive MVP in the finals )
4 time allstar
2 time all nba
Single handedly shut down lebron james more than any other player in nba history to win the 2011 nba title


Wallace

defensive legend
NBA champion ( as defensive MVP of the finals and entire nba season )
4 time nba allstar
5 time all nba
6 time all defense
5 time all defensive 1st team
4 time defensive player of the year





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Just shows your criteria's and standards are less than mine.

Not surprised though.

[uber]

Not HOF'ers

Since it's the basketball hall of fame (and not the NBA hall of fame) Melo will be in it.

1 NCAA title, the medals from the olympics and a few things already mentioned by kenneth.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Probably 1987 or 1988.

[kennethgriffin]

Just shows your criteria's and standards are less than mine.

Not surprised though.



hey its not mine. i'm just using the naismith criteria


if it were up to me half of them wouldnt go in

especially gasol


but if everyone on insidehoops is so sure gasol will make it based on naismith voting... then i guess those 4 guys are locks

[kennethgriffin]

So Wade won a ring in the most HOF stacked era in recent history? :applause:

and the best regular season player during the best regular season competition ever = kobe

:cheers:

[SouBeachTalents]

and the best regular season player during the best regular season competition ever = kobe

:cheers:

I'm 100% confident that you would switch places with that white woman in Colorado, only this time it would never be construed as rape

[bdreason]

1988 off the top of my head.

[red1]

So Wade won a ring in the most HOF stacked era in recent history? :applause:
:applause: :eek: :bowdown: finals mvp in the most stacked era of nba history


and the best regular season player during the best regular season competition ever = kobe

:cheers:
nice agenda there buddy :rolleyes:

[MiseryCityTexas]

Thing about this is all it leads to is a lot of great players from the past being mentioned followed by laughs from people who dont know shit about them.

I mean...Jason Richardson? Even Rip Hamilton.

If Jrich justifies a mention there are teams with 6 guys who belong on such a list.


Richardson's career went str8 down the shitter shortly after he was traded to the Bobcats. All I remember from his years on the Bobcats was his scoring outbursts against the 2008 eventual champion Boston Celtics. I also remember when Jason Richardson was styling on Team USA when the College USA stars played against the NBA team USA Stars. He should have been an All Star when he was in the absolute prime of his career at least one time, but most of his teams sucked in his prime years except for that team where his Warriors upsetted the Mavericks. Jason Richardson in his absolute prime was just a better version of JR Smith. Man that guy fell off so damned HARD.

[Dro]

And here I am reading the thread title thinking he meant best league wide talent AT POINT GUARD.........I was gonna say either Isiah or Oscar..........

[K Xerxes]

And here I am reading the thread title thinking he meant best league wide talent AT POINT GUARD.........I was gonna say either Isiah or Oscar..........

I thought he was gonna say Kobe was the most talented PG ever. Not that he doesn't probably think that since Kobe could average at least 20-10 if he wanted...

[kennethgriffin]

I thought he was gonna say Kobe was the most talented PG ever. Not that he doesn't probably think that since Kobe could average at least 20-10 if he wanted...


Kobe with the green light has averaged 35 points and 5 assists. Are you saying kobe couldnt average 5 more assists if he cut 15 points off his average but had the same usage?


Kobe can pass believe it or not.

[La Frescobaldi]

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[DonDadda59]

Probably sometime in the latter part of the 80s. Someone mentioned '88, that's a great choice. There was a nice mix of great wings, PGs, and big men. 90s-early 00s were top heavy with great bigs, early/mid 00s-the present has been all about perimeter guys. Mid-late 80s had that equilibrium.