Kobe's NBA Finals Stats

[JohnMax]

2000 NBA Finals

Shaq- 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157----6 games
Kobe-16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90----5 games

2001 NBA Finals

Shaq- 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG-----5 games
Kobe- 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG------5 games

2002 NBA Finals

Shaq- 37 PPG, 12.25 RPG, 4 APG, 2.75 BPG, 50/84 60% FG----4 games
Kobe-26 PPG, 5.75 RPG, 5 APG, .75 BPG, 36/70 51% FG-------4 games

2004 NBA finals 5 games loss
Shaq= 27 PPG, 11 RPG, 2 APG, .6 BPG, 53/84 63% FG
Kobe=22 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG




2008 NBA finals 6 games loss
Kobe= 25 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 5 APG, .16 BPG, 53/131 40% FG

2009 NBA finals 5 games win
Kobe= 32 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 7.4 AGP, 58/135, 42% FG

2010 NBA Finals 7 games
28.5 PPG 40% FG (66-163 shooting)

[navy]

5/7 doe

[Smook A.]

Not even playing when I say this. I've seen this type of thread atleast once a month since I've been on here.

I'm sure we all got it by now. Kobe has had some shitty shooting percentages in the NBA Finals, but that doesn't take away his 5 rings & 2 FMVPs. He's one of the best players to ever play the game and you can't deny that.

[dubeta]

Role player numbers

[Nowitness]

5/7 doe

2/7 as best player doe.

[red1]

very respectable numbers

[TheMarkMadsen]

You shaved a few percentage points off here and there. Same with points, rebounds and assist.


2002 was 27 points..

[ImKobe]

You shaved a few percentage points off here and there. Same with points, rebounds and assist.

For instance, 2009 was 33 points & 43%

2002 was 27 points..

lmfao, and he completely left off rpg and apg in 2010

Kobe during his 3 straight Finals runs without Shaq put up 2nd 3-peat MJ Finals numbers :confusedshrug:

You could argue that Kobe's 2008 & 2010 Finals numbers are better than MJ's 96 & 98 Finals numbers, and his 09 Finals is pretty similar to MJ's 97 Finals.

Plus OP shaves off points and FG% like you said, and for the 2000 Finals, included the injury game, where he didn't even play 10 minutes?


And I don't get what OP is trying to say really, roll up the numbers against the WCF during the Finals runs with Shaq (Kobe played better in the 3 first series than Shaq in 2001, for example and had more winshares, same WS/48 despite shooting poor in the Finals).

[rule1223]

You shaved a few percentage points off here and there. Same with points, rebounds and assist.


2002 was 27 points..
sad how the only way to make kobe look bad is to straight up lie

[LAZERUSS]

Care to post Kobe's numbers against Duncan's Spurs?

[ImKobe]

Care to post Kobe's numbers against Duncan's Spurs?

SURE!

1999 Spurs win

21/7/4 with 1.8 spg 0.5 bpg on 44,7%FG

2001 Lakers win

33/7/7 with 1.5 spg 0.8 bpg on 51,4%FG

2002 Lakers win

26/5/5 with 1 spg on 45,5%FG

2003 Spurs win

32/5/4 with 1 spg on 43,4% FG, 44,1%3PT

2004 Lakers win

26/6/6 with 1.7 spg on 46,2%FG

2008 Lakers win

29/6/4 with 1.6 spg on 53,3%FG


Overall: 4 - 2 against Duncan's Spurs in the Playoffs

[Marchesk]

West > Kobe in the finals.

[buddha]

2/7 as best player doe.

I think you mean 2/3 as the best player doe.

[LAZERUSS]

SURE!

1999 Spurs win

21/7/4 with 1.8 spg 0.5 bpg on 44,7%FG

2001 Lakers win

33/7/7 with 1.5 spg 0.8 bpg on 51,4%FG

2002 Lakers win

26/5/5 with 1 spg on 45,5%FG

2003 Spurs win

32/5/4 with 1 spg on 43,4% FG, 44,1%3PT

2004 Lakers win

26/6/6 with 1.7 spg on 46,2%FG

2008 Lakers win

29/6/4 with 1.6 spg on 53,3%FG


Overall: 4 - 2 against Duncan's Spurs in the Playoffs

You could make a solid case that Kobe was the Lakers best player in all four of those series wins, and in fact, was the best player on the floor in '01, '02, and '08.

[ImKobe]

West > Kobe in the finals.

Just look at the numbers Kobe put up in the WC Playoffs his entire career and how he always went off on the Spurs and dunked on the Twin Towers with ease.

2nd time he went to 3 straight Finals, his stats weren't as bad as OP makes them out to be, he shaves off some percentages and averages to make it worse.

2008 he faced arguably the best defense of the decade (outside the 2004 Pistons) and despite shooting 40,5%, had a decent series on both ends, his team just wasn't talented enough to hang with Boston.

2009 He shot 42,9%, but dominated the series with his playmaking and had key stretches, where he put games away (especially Game 5).

2010 His numbers are basically the same as 2009 Finals outside Game 7, where he had a bad shooting night.

And I don't see why people hold it against an out of prime Kobe, that was bothered by knee and finger injuries all the time, for shooting 4% below his regular season FG% facing those tough defenses in the Finals, the same Boston teams that Lebron struggled against (shooting 35,5% against Boston in 2008 with 5.3 TOV per game).

[Encre92]

Pathetic numbers.

[ImKobe]

You could make a solid case that Kobe was the Lakers best player in all four of those series wins, and in fact, was the best player on the floor in '01, '02, and '08.

08 no doubt, he controlled all the games. He was unguardable in 08. 01 he started off with a 45/10 game :bowdown: and was the best player on the Lakers for the 3 first series of the Playoffs.

[Beastmode88]

Pathetic numbers.

Pathetic argument. Dont contribute if its not worth anything. Negatively/trolling is why you were warranted so many bans across multiple accounts.

[Smook A.]

Pathetic numbers.
The stats OP posted aren't even accurate

[Marchesk]

Just look at the numbers Kobe put up in the WC Playoffs his entire career and how he always went off on the Spurs and dunked on the Twin Towers with ease.

2nd time he went to 3 straight Finals, his stats weren't as bad as OP makes them out to be, he shaves off some percentages and averages to make it worse.

2008 he faced arguably the best defense of the decade (outside the 2004 Pistons) and despite shooting 40,5%, had a decent series on both ends, his team just wasn't talented enough to hang with Boston.

2009 He shot 42,9%, but dominated the series with his playmaking and had key stretches, where he put games away (especially Game 5).

2010 His numbers are basically the same as 2009 Finals outside Game 7, where he had a bad shooting night.

And I don't see why people hold it against an out of prime Kobe, that was bothered by knee and finger injuries all the time, for shooting 4% below his regular season FG% facing those tough defenses in the Finals, the same Boston teams that Lebron struggled against (shooting 35,5% against Boston in 2008 with 5.3 TOV per game).

That's great and all, but Jerry West had better finals performances. And West's first six finals were against Boston.

[dubeta]

Kobe was the only FMVP to never shoot at least 50% in any of the games

[Encre92]

Kobe was the only FMVP to never shoot at least 50% in any of the games
http://i.imgur.com/OcZOVHr.jpg

[JT123]

http://i.imgur.com/OcZOVHr.jpg
Damn. :lol :lol :lol :lol

[dubeta]

Another win for the LeBron Family :cheers:

[Le Shaqtus]

http://i.imgur.com/OcZOVHr.jpg

Do you just sit here with your Anti Kobe images ready to launch at a moments notice? :oldlol:

"Dude posted something anti LeBron? FINNA POST THIS KOBE IMAGE DOE WITH HIS FMVP'S COVERED BY GASOL'S FACE, that'll show em'!"

I admire your tenacity kid.

[Encre92]

Do you just sit here with your Anti Kobe images ready to launch at a moments notice? :oldlol:

"Dude posted something anti LeBron? FINNA POST THIS KOBE IMAGE DOE WITH HIS FMVP'S COVERED BY GASOL'S FACE, that'll show em'!"

I admire your tenacity kid.
You seemed maddened by facts and truth.

Why? Something about Kobe's finals performance upset you?

[Le Shaqtus]

You seemed maddened by facts and truth.

Why? Something about Kobe's finals performance upset you?

Well I don't like Kobe so :confusedshrug:

Your posts give me a good laugh, why would I be mad? :banana:

[JT123]

Do you just sit here with your Anti Kobe images ready to launch at a moments notice? :oldlol:

"Dude posted something anti LeBron? FINNA POST THIS KOBE IMAGE DOE WITH HIS FMVP'S COVERED BY GASOL'S FACE, that'll show em'!"

I admire your tenacity kid.
I don't ever see you say shit when Kobe fans post the same anti Lebron flop gifs and images over and over. :rolleyes:
If you wanna call out trolling call out both sides, otherwise you just look like a butt hurt Kobe stan. :cheers:

[Le Shaqtus]

I don't ever see you say shit when Kobe fans post the same anti Lebron flop gifs and images over and over. :rolleyes:
If you wanna call out trolling call out both sides, otherwise you just look like a butt hurt Kobe stan. :cheers:

Those LeBron flops are hilarious and you know it, that don't mean he's not the best player in the league, but they're still funny.

And lol at me being a Kobe stan, ya'll gotta do better than that :whatever:

[sportjames23]

SURE!

1999 Spurs win

21/7/4 with 1.8 spg 0.5 bpg on 44,7%FG

2001 Lakers win

33/7/7 with 1.5 spg 0.8 bpg on 51,4%FG

2002 Lakers win

26/5/5 with 1 spg on 45,5%FG

2003 Spurs win

32/5/4 with 1 spg on 43,4% FG, 44,1%3PT

2004 Lakers win

26/6/6 with 1.7 spg on 46,2%FG

2008 Lakers win

29/6/4 with 1.6 spg on 53,3%FG


Overall: 4 - 2 against Duncan's Spurs in the Playoffs


Is Kobe the only one who has a winning record against Duncan in the playoffs?

[Round Mound]

Most Overrated Player of All Time.

[Encre92]

Most Overrated Player of All Time.
This.

[stalkerforlife]

Most Overrated Player of All Time.

Who, Barkley? Agreed.

[Round Mound]

40-45% FG Is Not Elite Scoring. Its Elite Shot Jacking.

Great Scorers Score at High FG% Per Amounts Of Field Goal Attempts Taken.

[stalkerforlife]

40-45% FG Is Not Elite Scoring. Its Elite Shot Jacking.

Great Scorers Score at High FG% Per Amounts Of Field Goal Attempts Taken.

Kobe wins basketball games.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe wins basketball games.

All by himself? Impressive

[Nowitness]

You could make a solid case that Kobe was the Lakers best player in all four of those series wins, and in fact, was the best player on the floor in '01, '02, and '08.

kobe was theSpurs killer but he was not the best in 02.

01 and 08 for a sure...actually he was far and away the best. kobes clutch-ness in 02 still doesnt top duncan's 30 ppg- 17 rpg- 5 assists and 3 blocks...overall he was more efficient at scoring too.

[dubeta]

Kobe wins basketball games.

So does Norris Cole

[stalkerforlife]

All by himself? Impressive

Kobe and Hakeem have the worst supporting casts in the history of a repeat champion.

[stalkerforlife]

So does Norris Cole

4.3ppg, 1.1rpg, 1.5apg, 42.9 % from the field.

His career playoff numbers. :lol

[dubeta]

Kobe and Hakeem have the worst supporting casts in the history of a repeat champion.

Prime Gasol, Odom, Fisher, Ariza/Artest, and the GOAT coach Phil jackson is basically like the present day Spurs

Kobe was a cog in a masterful offense


So you telling me that even with a bad team Kobe couldnt lead his team in PER, or win shares?? :oldlol:

Either you admit Kobe got carreid by a stacked team, or that Kobe was 2nd place in advanced stats to a bunch of scrubs :lol

[Round Mound]

Kobe wins basketball games.

:no: TEAMS Win Games and Championships and Shaq Won 3 For Kobe. Then Ofcourse He Needed a Twin Tower System To Win His Other 2. 2 BIG MEN and The Best Sixth Man in The League In Order To Win.

All Broken Down Stats Suggest Kobe is Around Top 20-25 of All Time...Not Even Close To Top 10.

Barkley On The Other Hand, Is Easily a Top 10-15 Player of All Time

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_per_48_career.html

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

NBA/ABARank Player WS/48

1. Michael Jordan* .2505
2. David Robinson* .2502
3. Wilt Chamberlain* .2480
4. Chris Paul .2464
5. LeBron James .2431
6. Neil Johnston* .2413
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .2284
8. Magic Johnson* .2249
9. Charles Barkley* .2163
10. Jerry West* .2134
11. Bob Pettit* .2128
12. Tim Duncan .2109
13. Manu Ginobili .2089
14. John Stockton* .2087
15. Dirk Nowitzki .2082
16. Shaquille O'Neal .2081
17. Oscar Robertson* .2069
18. Karl Malone* .2053
19. Kevin Durant .2053
20. Larry Bird* .2032
21. Yao Ming .2001
22. Ed Macauley* .1964
23. Artis Gilmore* .1931
24. Bill Russell* .1927
25. Julius Erving* .1922
26. Dolph Schayes* .1922
27. Dwyane Wade .1921
28. Adrian Dantley* .1887
29. Sidney Moncrief .1873
30. Kevin Garnett .1849
31. Paul Arizin* .1833
32. Sam Jones* .1824
33. Harry Gallatin* .1824
34. Kobe Bryant .1822

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_per_48_career_p.html

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

NBA/ABARank Player WS/48

1. Michael Jordan* .2553
2. George Mikan* .2541
3. LeBron James .2418
4. Magic Johnson* .2078
5. Jerry West* .2031
6. Wilt Chamberlain* .1998
7. David Robinson* .1992
8. Tim Duncan .1956
9. Dirk Nowitzki .1955
10. Walt Frazier* .1934
11. Charles Barkley* .1932
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .1929
13. Frank Ramsey* .1902
14. Chris Paul .1893
15. Dolph Schayes* .1890
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* .1887
17. Kevin Durant .1886
18. Dwight Howard .1883
19. Chauncey Billups .1858
20. Shaquille O'Neal .1842
21. Kawhi Leonard .1835
22. Paul Arizin* .1827
23. Reggie Miller* .1799
24. Oscar Robertson* .1783
25. Bill Russell* .1778
26. Roger Brown* .1763
27. Moses Malone* .1762
28. Baron Davis .1762
29. Julius Erving* .1756
30. Bob Lanier* .1755
31. Artis Gilmore* .1744
32. Bill Sharman* .1739
33. George Yardley* .1736
34. Kevin McHale* .1736
35. Larry Bird* .1731
36. Adrian Dantley* .1716
37. Cedric Maxwell .1713
38. Manu Ginobili .1699
39. Don Nelson .1683
40. Cliff Hagan* .1674
41. Jimmy Jones .1667
42. James Harden .1650
43. Ben Wallace .1636
44. Dwyane Wade .1612
45. Dan Issel* .1612
46. Zelmo Beaty .1610
47. John Stockton* .1602
48. Pau Gasol .1601
49. Amar'e Stoudemire .1600
50. Bob Pettit* .1590
51. Vern Mikkelsen* .1588
52. Sam Jones* .1570
53. Kobe Bryant .1570

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html

NBA & ABA Career Season Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABARank Player PER

1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.79
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Chris Paul 25.59
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Dwyane Wade 25.29
9. Neil Johnston* 24.69
10. Charles Barkley* 24.63
11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
12. Tim Duncan 24.56
13. Kevin Durant 24.53
14. Magic Johnson* 24.11
15. Karl Malone* 23.90
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Julius Erving* 23.58
18. Larry Bird* 23.50
19. Dirk Nowitzki 23.48
20. Kobe Bryant 23.36

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career_p.html

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABARank Player PER

1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 27.70
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.13
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Chris Paul 25.04
7. Tim Duncan 24.59
8. Kevin Durant 24.35
9. Charles Barkley* 24.18
10. Dirk Nowitzki 24.17
11. Dwight Howard 23.74
12. Tracy McGrady 23.40
13. Dolph Schayes* 23.29
14. Jerry West* 23.06
15. David Robinson* 23.02
16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
17. Magic Johnson* 22.95
18. Russell Westbrook 22.75
19. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.75
20. Dwyane Wade 22.70
21. Bob Pettit* 22.59
22. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.44
23. Kobe Bryant 22.40

http://www.databasebasketball.com/leaders/leaderscareer.htm?stat=eff&lg=n

Career EFF Leaders

Career EFF Leaders

Player EFF Seasons

1 Wilt Chamberlain 41.50 14
2 Bill Russell 31.71 13
3 Oscar Robertson 31.61 14
4 Bob Pettit 31.11 11
5 Kareem Abdul-jabbar 30.93 20
6 Larry Bird 29.77 13
7 Elgin Baylor 29.74 14
8 Michael Jordan 29.19 15
9 Magic Johnson 29.10 13
10 Charles Barkley 28.16 16
11 Jerry Lucas 28.13 11
12 LeBron James 28.01 8
13 Hakeem Olajuwon 27.17 18
14 Jerry West 27.10 14
15 David Robinson 26.98 14
16 Karl Malone 26.94 19
17 Walt Bellamy 26.29 14
18 Dave Cowens 26.23 11
19 Shaquille O'neal 26.05 19
20 Kevin Garnett 25.98 16
21 Maurice Stokes 25.75 3
22 Tim Duncan 25.68 14
23 Blake Griffin 25.63 1
24 Bob Lanier 25.29 14
25 Chris Paul 24.93 6
26 Bob McAdoo 24.47 14
27 Dwyane Wade 24.42 8
28 Dirk Nowitzki 24.34 13
29 Dwight Howard 24.24 7
30 Moses Malone 24.14 19
31 Willis Reed 24.06 10
32 Elvin Hayes 24.04 16
33 Rick Barry 23.98 10
34 Nate Thurmond 23.73 14
35 Chris Webber 23.72 15
36 Wes Unseld 23.70 13
37 Billy Cunningham 23.51 9
38 Patrick Ewing 23.41 17
39 Julius Erving 23.35 11
40 Neil Johnston 23.23 8
41 Amare Stoudemire 23.17 9
42 Brad Daugherty 23.10 8
43 Artis Gilmore 22.99 12
44 Pau Gasol 22.99 10
45 Kevin Durant 22.83 4
46 Walt Frazier 22.74 13
47 Gus Johnson 22.63 9
48 Adrian Dantley 22.60 15
49 Elton Brand 22.59 12
50 Kobe Bryant 22.51 15
51 Clyde Drexler 22.42 15

[ImKobe]

:no: TEAMS Win Games and Championships and Shaq Won 3 For Kobe. Then Ofcourse He Needed a Twin Tower System To Win His Other 2. 2 BIG MEN and The Best Sixth Man in The League In Order To Win.

All Broken Down Stats Suggest Kobe is Around Top 20-25 of All Time...Not Even Close To Top 10.

Barkley On The Other Hand, Is Easily a Top 10-15 Player of All Time

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_per_48_career.html

NBA & ABA Career Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

NBA/ABARank Player WS/48

1. Michael Jordan* .2505
2. David Robinson* .2502
3. Wilt Chamberlain* .2480
4. Chris Paul .2464
5. LeBron James .2431
6. Neil Johnston* .2413
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .2284
8. Magic Johnson* .2249
9. Charles Barkley* .2163
10. Jerry West* .2134
11. Bob Pettit* .2128
12. Tim Duncan .2109
13. Manu Ginobili .2089
14. John Stockton* .2087
15. Dirk Nowitzki .2082
16. Shaquille O'Neal .2081
17. Oscar Robertson* .2069
18. Karl Malone* .2053
19. Kevin Durant .2053
20. Larry Bird* .2032
21. Yao Ming .2001
22. Ed Macauley* .1964
23. Artis Gilmore* .1931
24. Bill Russell* .1927
25. Julius Erving* .1922
26. Dolph Schayes* .1922
27. Dwyane Wade .1921
28. Adrian Dantley* .1887
29. Sidney Moncrief .1873
30. Kevin Garnett .1849
31. Paul Arizin* .1833
32. Sam Jones* .1824
33. Harry Gallatin* .1824
34. Kobe Bryant .1822

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ws_per_48_career_p.html

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Win Shares Per 48 Minutes

NBA/ABARank Player WS/48

1. Michael Jordan* .2553
2. George Mikan* .2541
3. LeBron James .2418
4. Magic Johnson* .2078
5. Jerry West* .2031
6. Wilt Chamberlain* .1998
7. David Robinson* .1992
8. Tim Duncan .1956
9. Dirk Nowitzki .1955
10. Walt Frazier* .1934
11. Charles Barkley* .1932
12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .1929
13. Frank Ramsey* .1902
14. Chris Paul .1893
15. Dolph Schayes* .1890
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* .1887
17. Kevin Durant .1886
18. Dwight Howard .1883
19. Chauncey Billups .1858
20. Shaquille O'Neal .1842
21. Kawhi Leonard .1835
22. Paul Arizin* .1827
23. Reggie Miller* .1799
24. Oscar Robertson* .1783
25. Bill Russell* .1778
26. Roger Brown* .1763
27. Moses Malone* .1762
28. Baron Davis .1762
29. Julius Erving* .1756
30. Bob Lanier* .1755
31. Artis Gilmore* .1744
32. Bill Sharman* .1739
33. George Yardley* .1736
34. Kevin McHale* .1736
35. Larry Bird* .1731
36. Adrian Dantley* .1716
37. Cedric Maxwell .1713
38. Manu Ginobili .1699
39. Don Nelson .1683
40. Cliff Hagan* .1674
41. Jimmy Jones .1667
42. James Harden .1650
43. Ben Wallace .1636
44. Dwyane Wade .1612
45. Dan Issel* .1612
46. Zelmo Beaty .1610
47. John Stockton* .1602
48. Pau Gasol .1601
49. Amar'e Stoudemire .1600
50. Bob Pettit* .1590
51. Vern Mikkelsen* .1588
52. Sam Jones* .1570
53. Kobe Bryant .1570

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career.html

NBA & ABA Career Season Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABARank Player PER

1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
2. LeBron James 27.79
3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
4. David Robinson* 26.18
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
6. Chris Paul 25.59
7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
8. Dwyane Wade 25.29
9. Neil Johnston* 24.69
10. Charles Barkley* 24.63
11. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
12. Tim Duncan 24.56
13. Kevin Durant 24.53
14. Magic Johnson* 24.11
15. Karl Malone* 23.90
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
17. Julius Erving* 23.58
18. Larry Bird* 23.50
19. Dirk Nowitzki 23.48
20. Kobe Bryant 23.36

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_career_p.html

NBA & ABA Career Playoff Leaders and Records for Player Efficiency Rating

NBA/ABARank Player PER

1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 27.70
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.13
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Chris Paul 25.04
7. Tim Duncan 24.59
8. Kevin Durant 24.35
9. Charles Barkley* 24.18
10. Dirk Nowitzki 24.17
11. Dwight Howard 23.74
12. Tracy McGrady 23.40
13. Dolph Schayes* 23.29
14. Jerry West* 23.06
15. David Robinson* 23.02
16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
17. Magic Johnson* 22.95
18. Russell Westbrook 22.75
19. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.75
20. Dwyane Wade 22.70
21. Bob Pettit* 22.59
22. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.44
23. Kobe Bryant 22.40

http://www.databasebasketball.com/leaders/leaderscareer.htm?stat=eff&lg=n

Career EFF Leaders

Career EFF Leaders

Player EFF Seasons

1 Wilt Chamberlain 41.50 14
2 Bill Russell 31.71 13
3 Oscar Robertson 31.61 14
4 Bob Pettit 31.11 11
5 Kareem Abdul-jabbar 30.93 20
6 Larry Bird 29.77 13
7 Elgin Baylor 29.74 14
8 Michael Jordan 29.19 15
9 Magic Johnson 29.10 13
10 Charles Barkley 28.16 16
11 Jerry Lucas 28.13 11
12 LeBron James 28.01 8
13 Hakeem Olajuwon 27.17 18
14 Jerry West 27.10 14
15 David Robinson 26.98 14
16 Karl Malone 26.94 19
17 Walt Bellamy 26.29 14
18 Dave Cowens 26.23 11
19 Shaquille O'neal 26.05 19
20 Kevin Garnett 25.98 16
21 Maurice Stokes 25.75 3
22 Tim Duncan 25.68 14
23 Blake Griffin 25.63 1
24 Bob Lanier 25.29 14
25 Chris Paul 24.93 6
26 Bob McAdoo 24.47 14
27 Dwyane Wade 24.42 8
28 Dirk Nowitzki 24.34 13
29 Dwight Howard 24.24 7
30 Moses Malone 24.14 19
31 Willis Reed 24.06 10
32 Elvin Hayes 24.04 16
33 Rick Barry 23.98 10
34 Nate Thurmond 23.73 14
35 Chris Webber 23.72 15
36 Wes Unseld 23.70 13
37 Billy Cunningham 23.51 9
38 Patrick Ewing 23.41 17
39 Julius Erving 23.35 11
40 Neil Johnston 23.23 8
41 Amare Stoudemire 23.17 9
42 Brad Daugherty 23.10 8
43 Artis Gilmore 22.99 12
44 Pau Gasol 22.99 10
45 Kevin Durant 22.83 4
46 Walt Frazier 22.74 13
47 Gus Johnson 22.63 9
48 Adrian Dantley 22.60 15
49 Elton Brand 22.59 12
50 Kobe Bryant 22.51 15
51 Clyde Drexler 22.42 15

By pure statistic measures? Sure. Now put in Kobe's accolades and compare them to Barkely or Gasol :roll:

[Nowitness]

By pure statistic measures? Sure. Now put in Kobe's accolades and compare them to Barkely or Gasol :roll:

kobe: 0 rings as total winshare leader of his team
pau gasol: 2

[Round Mound]

Lets Get Thins Straight 1st.

Kobe is a Good Scorer. NOT A GREAT SCORER. :no:

These Are GREAT SCORERS:

http://hoops-nation.com/community/topic/89245-most-efficient-volume-scorers-in-league-history/

A scoring title in itself isn't that special. Any top 50 scorer given enough shots could score 30+ ppg (ex. Allen Iverson). Likewise a FG% title on its own isn't that impressive either. It's rather easy to shoot a high FG% if the scorer in question takes few shots (ex. late career Wilt Chamberlain or Tyson Chandler). It's clear that there is a trade-off between volume (ppg) and efficiency (FG%). The more shots a player takes the more difficult shots he has to take and his FG% drops. There is only so many uncontested lay-ups, offensive rebounds, fast-break run-outs etc. available in a single game.



The real measure of scoring ability is the combination of high volume and high efficiency. The golden standard for such an achievement would be 30+ ppg and 60+ %eFG (FG% that includes extra value of 3pt shots). Nobody has ever achieved this feat over an entire season but Kareem, Shaq, and Dantley have come very very close.



30+ ppg and 55+ %eFG:



70-71 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (31.7 ppg on 57.7%)

71-72 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (34.8 ppg on 57.4%)

72-73 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (30.2 ppg on 55.4%)

80-81 Adrian Dantley (30.7 ppg on 55.9%)

81-82 Adrian Dantley (30.3 ppg on 57.0%)

82-83 Adrian Dantley (30.7 ppg on 58.0%)

83-84 Adrian Dantley (30.6 ppg on 55.8%)

89-90 Karl Malone (31.0 ppg on 56.7%)

13-14 Kevin Durant (32.0 ppg on 56.0%)



27.5+ ppg and 57.5+ %eFG:



70-71 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (31.7 ppg on 57.7%)

79-80 Adrian Dantley (28.0 ppg on 58.0%)

82-83 Adrian Dantley (30.7 ppg on 58.0%)

87-88 Charles Barkley (28.3 ppg on 60.4%)

90-91 Charles Barkley (27.6 ppg on 58.9%)

93-94 Shaquille O'Neal (29.3 ppg on 59.9%)

95-95 Shaquille O'Neal (29.3 ppg on 58.3%)

97-98 Shaquille O'Neal (28.3 ppg on 58.4%)





25+ ppg and 60+ %eFG:



86-87 Kevin McHale (26.1 ppg on 60.4%)

87-88 Charles Barkley (28.3 ppg on 60.4%)

89-90 Charles Barkley (25.2 ppg on 60.8%)

12-13 Lebron James (26.8 ppg on 60.3%)

13-14 Lebron James (27.1 ppg on 61.0%)



Three seasons that don't make any of the above criteria but deserve a special shutout:



66-67 Wilt Chamberlain (24.1 ppg on 68.3%)

87-88 Larry Bird (29.9 ppg on 55.6%)

89-90 Michael Jordan (33.6 ppg on 54.99%)



Total number of games with 30+ ppg and 60+ %FG (only 100+ games):



1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar - 242 (possibly as many as 257)

2. Karl Malone - 192

3. Shaquille O'Neal - 191

4. Wilt Chamberlain - 143 (possibly as many as 197)

5. Michael Jordan - 138

6. Charles Barkley - 132



Karl Malone totally surprised me when I did this research...



It's worth noting that Dantley has just 95 but all of the data prior to the 82-83 season is missing. He's definitely at 100+ and likely as high as 150+.



Lebron James has 96 of these games already and is well on the way to joining the 30+/60+ club.



Hakeem Olajuwon just misses the list at 98 games.



Therefore the top 8 most dominant scorers of all time (no order):



- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

- Karl Malone

- Shaquille O'Neal

- Wilt Chamberlain

- Michael Jordan

- Charles Barkley

- Adrian Dantley

- Lebron James

:confusedshrug:

[AintNoSunshine]

5/7 doe
Number if time he failed to shoot over 42%?

[Lebowski]

2000 NBA Finals

Shaq- 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157----6 games


That'll do.

[ImKobe]

kobe: 0 rings as total winshare leader of his team
pau gasol: 2

You're a ****ing idiot

Kobe led the 01 Lakers in Winshares at 22 years old in the Playoffs
He also led the 2009 Lakers in Winshares in the Playoffs

research your shit first you dumb fk

Kobe led as many title teams in WS as Shaq.

[Stringer Bell]

2000 NBA Finals

Shaq- 38 PPG, 17 RPG, 2.5 APG, 2.7 BPG, 61% FG 96/157----6 games
Kobe-16 PPG, 5 RPG, 4 APG, 1.4 BPG, 36% FG%, 33/90----5 games

2001 NBA Finals

Shaq- 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG-----5 games
Kobe- 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG------5 games

2002 NBA Finals

Shaq- 37 PPG, 12.25 RPG, 4 APG, 2.75 BPG, 50/84 60% FG----4 games
Kobe-26 PPG, 5.75 RPG, 5 APG, .75 BPG, 36/70 51% FG-------4 games

2004 NBA finals 5 games loss
Shaq= 27 PPG, 11 RPG, 2 APG, .6 BPG, 53/84 63% FG
Kobe=22 PPG, 3 RPG, 4 APG, .6 BPG, 43/113 38% FG

2008 NBA finals 6 games loss
Kobe= 25 PPG, 4.5 RPG, 5 APG, .16 BPG, 53/131 40% FG

2009 NBA finals 5 games win
Kobe= 32 PPG, 5.5 RPG, 7.4 AGP, 58/135, 42% FG

2010 NBA Finals 7 games
28.5 PPG 40% FG (66-163 shooting)

Shaq's numbers are just outrageous.

Also considering the 2001 series was against the DPOY Dikembe Mutombo. And when the NBA actually was strong at the center position, a 23 year old Shaq still put up excellent numbers in the finals against a peak Hakeem Olajuwon.

[kennethgriffin]

kobe actually averaged 19ppg in the 2000 finals

you cant really count the game he left with 2 points due to an injury in the first few minutes

and there isnt a 2000 nba finals without kobes game 7 WCF vs portland

[kennethgriffin]

its funny how people count tim duncans 2005 nba finals where he averaged 20 points on 40%

or they count his non finals mvp in 2007

or the 15ppg 4th option ring in 2014


but nobody counts kobes 25/5/5 three peat with shaq




















































:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ImKobe]

its funny how people count tim duncans 2005 nba finals where he averaged 20 points on 40%

or they count his non finals mvp in 2007

or the 15ppg 4th option ring in 2014


but nobody counts kobes 25/5/5 three peat with shaq


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Only stupid trolls don't.

In Tim's case, you can't just look at his scoring efficiency like it's all he brings to the game. He's the defensive anchor for the Spurs. Obviously, his Playoff runs past 2003 haven't been that impressive, and in many cases, his teammates or the collective team (Pop's system) have carried the Spurs to championships.

2005, Manu had A LOT to do with Spurs winning the Finals against a tough Pistons squad (Duncan shot 10-27 in Game 7). 2007, meh, the Cavs were a joke of a team coming out of one of the least competitive Eastern Conferences I've ever seen, Duncan didn't have to do much as Parker was on fire that series, Bowen shutting down Lebron obviously helped a lot, too :oldlol:.

2014 championship was pure team effort, only other year I've seen something like this was the Pistons in 2004. Duncan's 5th championship really did not impress me at all, because he got a ton of rest in the regular season and he was the 3rd/4th option throughout the Playoffs. Obviously gotta give him credit for the consistency at such an old age though (getting a lot of rest throughout the RS obviously helped).

[riseagainst]

those are pretty decent stats. But for a superstar/all time great that some Kobe fans claim that he is, on the par of MJ, Kareem, Magic and Bird, is definitely ludicrous.

[dubeta]

its funny how people count tim duncans 2005 nba finals where he averaged 20 points on 40%

or they count his non finals mvp in 2007

or the 15ppg 4th option ring in 2014


but nobody counts kobes 25/5/5 three peat with shaq





It's okay we equally don't count Kobe's 2000-2002 or Duncan's 2007 and 2014


Objectively Kobe has 2 and Duncan has 3 rings

[kennethgriffin]

It's okay we equally don't count Kobe's 2000-2002 or Duncan's 2007 and 2014


Objectively Kobe has 2 and Duncan has 3 rings


lol why does duncans 2005 count?... he played worse than kobe did in 4 of his 5 finals

[ImKobe]

those are pretty decent stats. But for a superstar/all time great that some Kobe fans claim that he is, on the par of MJ, Kareem, Magic and Bird, is definitely ludicrous.

Kobe not on par with Bird as a player??? Numbers and eye test tell us otherwise. Higher career ppg on near identical TS%, higher career PER, better peak PER in both the RS and the POs, longetivity, consistency.... How is he not on par with Bird?

There are two main things Bird has on Kobe, one is his rebounding (Bird was a 6-9 forward, so obviously he should get more rpg) and other thing is Bird having 2 more RS MVPs. And you can't say that Kobe had more help for his titles, either.

Both won 2 FMVPs with Kobe winning 2 more rings while also leading the 01 Lakers in Winshares over a prime Shaq on the most dominant PO team ever. How can you not put him in the same tier as Bird?

[Hey Yo]

Surprised it took 7 posts before we saw:


And I don't get what OP is trying to say really, roll up the numbers against the WCF during the Finals runs

Kobe stans love to talk about LeBron's 2007 and 2011 Finals performances, but when it comes to Kobe, all we see is "look what he did before the Finals"

[ImKobe]

Surprised it took 7 posts before we saw:



Kobe stans love to talk about LeBron's 2007 and 2011 Finals performances, but when it comes to Kobe, all we see is "look what he did before the Finals"

Because the Eastern Conference in 2007 was weak as shit, 2011 was better, but the Mavs were by far the best team in the Playoffs that year, torching everybody. Lebron faced the best teams in the Finals in 07, 2011 & 2014. Kobe faced the best teams in the WC from 00-02.

[riseagainst]

Kobe not on par with Bird as a player??? Numbers and eye test tell us otherwise. Higher career ppg on near identical TS%, higher career PER, better peak PER in both the RS and the POs, longetivity, consistency.... How is he not on par with Bird?

There are two main things Bird has on Kobe, one is his rebounding (Bird was a 6-9 forward, so obviously he should get more rpg) and other thing is Bird having 2 more RS MVPs. And you can't say that Kobe had more help for his titles, either.

Both won 2 FMVPs with Kobe winning 2 more rings while also leading the 01 Lakers in Winshares over a prime Shaq on the most dominant PO team ever. How can you not put him in the same tier as Bird?

he's not as good of a finals performer as the others. And numbers wise, he's not as good as them either.

[Hey Yo]

Because the Eastern Conference in 2007 was weak as shit, 2011 was better, but the Mavs were by far the best team in the Playoffs that year, torching everybody. Lebron faced the best teams in the Finals in 07, 2011 & 2014. Kobe faced the best teams in the WC from 00-02.
Doesn't change the fact is that how "weak" the East allegedly has been for over a decade, Kobe has played sub-par against that "weak" East representative.

[riseagainst]

Doesn't change the fact is that how "weak" the East allegedly has been for over a decade, Kobe has played sub-par against that "weak" East representative.

ask yourself this:

if Kobe had faced one of those East teams in the 1st 2nd or conference finals putting up those low percentage numbers, then went ahead and faced a West team in the finals and put up 33-7-7 on 52% in a win. Would you still say the same things you say now? Or is the thread going to turn into "Kobe's 1st round stats, let's ignore his finals."

[ImKobe]

he's not as good of a finals performer as the others. And numbers wise, he's not as good as them either.

Numbers wise, he's better than Bird. 28/6/5/2 as a starter for his career on virtually the same TS% as bird on a higher PER + considering the fact Kobe played at a much slower pace and less MPG (much less inflated stats)

30/6/6/2 per game average on 46/34/85 shooting from 08-10 in the Playoffs

People let their hate for Kobe cloud their judgement. If a 22 year old Kobe could lead the most dominant Playoff team in league history, he's as good as anybody.

[Stringer Bell]

It's okay we equally don't count Kobe's 2000-2002 or Duncan's 2007 and 2014


Objectively Kobe has 2 and Duncan has 3 rings

:oldlol:

They all count.

[Hey Yo]

ask yourself this:

if Kobe had faced one of those East teams in the 1st 2nd or conference finals putting up those low percentage numbers, then went ahead and faced a West team in the finals and put up 33-7-7 on 52% in a win. Would you still say the same things you say now? Or is the thread going to turn into "Kobe's 1st round stats, let's ignore his finals."

The thread is about Kobe's Finals numbers. Whenever it gets brought up, Kobe stans run to "the real Finals was the WCF" and "look what he did before the Finals"

The Finals is when you're needed the most. Put up or shut up. You don't see James fans saying but "look what LeBron did against Detroit in the ECF" or saying the same thing for the 2011 ECF.

Once you get to the Finals, the slate is wiped clean and it's time to see what you're made of. History proves that once Kobe is in the Finals, he plays much worse against the alleged "weak East"

[riseagainst]

Numbers wise, he's better than Bird. 28/6/5/2 as a starter for his career on virtually the same TS% as bird on a higher PER + considering the fact Kobe played at a much slower pace and less MPG (much less inflated stats)

30/6/6/2 per game average on 46/34/85 shooting from 08-10 in the Playoffs

People let their hate for Kobe cloud their judgement. If a 22 year old Kobe could lead the most dominant Playoff team in league history, he's as good as anybody.

if you want to take out Kobe's non-starter years, i think it's at least fair to take out Bird's hurt years, i'll just say his last 2 years in the NBA. Versus taking out Kobe's first 2 years. I think that's a fair trade off.

here are their stats:
regular season:
Bird: 25-10.1-6.3 50/37/88
23.9 PER, .567 TS, .516 eFG, .210 ws48, 26.8 USG

Kobe: 27.3-5.7-5.1 45.5/33/84
23.8 PER, .556 TS, .488 eFG, .187 ws48, 32.2 USG


playoffs:
Bird: 24.5-10.6-6.5 47.5/34.5/89.2
21.8 PER, .555 TS, .488 eFG, .181 ws48, 25.1 USG

Kobe: 27.4-5.4-5.1 44.9/33.5/81.9
22.8 PER, .542 TS, .482 eFG, .162 ws48, 31.3 USG


Bird is better in literally everything except for putting up 2-3 points less, but he makes up for in distribution and a huge rebounding lead. Most impressive thing is his USG%.


for the bolded, i'll say co-lead.

[ImKobe]

Doesn't change the fact is that how "weak" the East allegedly has been for over a decade, Kobe has played sub-par against that "weak" East representative.

Define "sub-par"?

2000 he played injured, yet won the most crucial game of the series with Shaq not playing, hit consecutive clutch shots on the road, including the go-ahead basket and the putback to seal the game
2001 he had one horrible shooting game and dominated the rest of the series
2002 he dropped 27 ppg on 51% shooting with 55% from 3, closed out every game and flat out dominated
2004 he faced the GOAT defensive team of his era, that abused the rules to a point the league had to change them after the Finals, despite shooting what he did, played great defense and made plays for his teammates, who couldn't knock down an open shot to save their lives, watch the damn series before you post
2008 he faced the 2nd best defensive team of his era(the same team Lebron shot under 36% against in the Playoffs the same year, having a 2-18 game with 10 TOVs) and was a collective team blunder away from going 7 games despite Bynum being out for the Playoffs
2009 he put up the numbers that only MJ had last put up (30+/5+/7+ a game)
2010 was pretty much the same as 2001, he had one bad shooting night but relatively dominated the rest of the series

I mean, people are so hell-bent on Kobe's scoring efficiency and ignore when other players do the same. MJ had a few of these series (96 & 98), Lebron had a few (2007 & 2013), Duncan has the worst TS% Finals MVP by anyone in the modern era...

Nikka earned his 5 rings and they are as legit as anyone else's. People cherry pick one series and act like he didn't lead a team to the Finals as the best player on 6 occasions (2001, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2010) and like he didn't win 5 out of 7 Finals.

I hear your opinion, but I'm not getting any solid arguments except that Kobe shot 41 or 43% in the Finals :biggums: Nikka is a 45% career shooter, you gonna hold it against him for at worst shooting 5-7% below his season average against great defenses, when a nikka like Lebron goes from shooting 57% in the regular season to shooting 45% in the Finals? :kobe:

Nikka is considered the GOAT Laker by Jerry West, Shaq, and Magic. Guys like Larry and MJ tell you he's up there with them. What else do you want me to tell you?

[Big#50]

Define "sub-par"?

2000 he played injured, yet won the most crucial game of the series with Shaq not playing, hit consecutive clutch shots on the road, including the go-ahead basket and the putback to seal the game
2001 he had one horrible shooting game and dominated the rest of the series
2002 he dropped 27 ppg on 51% shooting with 55% from 3, closed out every game and flat out dominated
2004 he faced the GOAT defensive team of his era, that abused the rules to a point the league had to change them after the Finals, despite shooting what he did, played great defense and made plays for his teammates, who couldn't knock down an open shot to save their lives, watch the damn series before you post
2008 he faced the 2nd best defensive team of his era(the same team Lebron shot under 36% against in the Playoffs the same year, having a 2-18 game with 10 TOVs) and was a collective team blunder away from going 7 games despite Bynum being out for the Playoffs
2009 he put up the numbers that only MJ had last put up (30+/5+/7+ a game)
2010 was pretty much the same as 2001, he had one bad shooting night but relatively dominated the rest of the series

I mean, people are so hell-bent on Kobe's scoring efficiency and ignore when other players do the same. MJ had a few of these series (96 & 98), Lebron had a few (2007 & 2013), Duncan has the worst TS% Finals MVP by anyone in the modern era...

Nikka earned his 5 rings and they are as legit as anyone else's. People cherry pick one series and act like he didn't lead a team to the Finals as the best player on 6 occasions (2001, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2010) and like he didn't win 5 out of 7 Finals.

I hear your opinion, but I'm not getting any solid arguments except that Kobe shot 41 or 43% in the Finals :biggums: Nikka is a 45% career shooter, you gonna hold it against him for at worst shooting 5-7% below his season average against great defenses, when a nikka like Lebron goes from shooting 57% in the regular season to shooting 45% in the Finals? :kobe:

Nikka is considered the GOAT Laker by Jerry West, Shaq, and Magic. Guys like Larry and MJ tell you he's up there with them. What else do you want me to tell you?
We actually want you to STFU.

[ImKobe]

if you want to take out Kobe's non-starter years, i think it's at least fair to take out Bird's hurt years, i'll just say his last 2 years in the NBA. Versus taking out Kobe's first 2 years. I think that's a fair trade off.

here are their stats:
regular season:
Bird: 25-10.1-6.3 50/37/88
23.9 PER, .567 TS, .516 eFG, .210 ws48, 26.8 USG

Kobe: 27.3-5.7-5.1 45.5/33/84
23.8 PER, .556 TS, .488 eFG, .187 ws48, 32.2 USG


playoffs:
Bird: 24.5-10.6-6.5 47.5/34.5/89.2
21.8 PER, .555 TS, .488 eFG, .181 ws48, 25.1 USG

Kobe: 27.4-5.4-5.1 44.9/33.5/81.9
22.8 PER, .542 TS, .482 eFG, .162 ws48, 31.3 USG


Bird is better in literally everything except for putting up 2-3 points less, but he makes up for in distribution and a huge rebounding lead. Most impressive thing is his USG%.


for the bolded, i'll say co-lead.

Just compare their numbers per 100 poss to make it more fair since Bird played in a faster-paced era and had more possessions than Kobe. Also factor in that Bird's numbers dipped in the Playoffs, while kobe's went up.

[ImKobe]

We actually want you to STFU.

"we"

nikka, who the hell are you? fukk outta here you random POS

[TheMarkMadsen]

Numbers wise, he's better than Bird. 28/6/5/2 as a starter for his career on virtually the same TS% as bird on a higher PER + considering the fact Kobe played at a much slower pace and less MPG (much less inflated stats)

30/6/6/2 per game average on 46/34/85 shooting from 08-10 in the Playoffs

People let their hate for Kobe cloud their judgement. If a 22 year old Kobe could lead the most dominant Playoff team in league history, he's as good as anybody.

/thread

[HurricaneKid]

ask yourself this:

if Kobe had faced one of those East teams in the 1st 2nd or conference finals putting up those low percentage numbers, then went ahead and faced a West team in the finals and put up 33-7-7 on 52% in a win. Would you still say the same things you say now? Or is the thread going to turn into "Kobe's 1st round stats, let's ignore his finals."

I think you are missing the point. While the WC has been far tougher for almost the entirety of Kobe's career, the EC has been the better defensive conference and the fact is that LeBron has managed to put up better numbers against better defensive and slower paced teams. You can't say "Well Kobe is going against elite defensive teams in the Finals so he has been struggling with his FG% but LeBron has been choking against those same teams with better stats."

[ImKobe]

I think you are missing the point. While the WC has been far tougher for almost the entirety of Kobe's career, the EC has been the better defensive conference and the fact is that LeBron has managed to put up better numbers against better defensive and slower paced teams. You can't say "Well Kobe is going against elite defensive teams in the Finals so he has been struggling with his FG% but LeBron has been choking against those same teams with better stats."

2008 ECSF against Boston, explain your theory, please :roll:

2-18 10 TOV game followed by a 6-24 7 TOV game :roll: :roll: Nikka didn't shoot over 40% until the 4th game of the damn series. FOH

And you don't get what "struggling" with FG% is, shooting 4-5% below your season average against the best defensive teams is not struggling. Lebron's % dipped as well going up against the same teams Kobe faced and also turned the ball over way more, in most cases, it's a given, since you don't face elite defensive teams for every game of the regular season. You still have to take into account that Kobe's overall efficiency for the Playoffs pretty much stays the same or in many cases, actually rises, despite playing more minutes and coming off a long ass regular season. I don't get the hate.

25/6/5 for 3 rings with Shaq (28/7/5 for the latter two titles with him)
30/6/6/2 for 3 straight Finals runs and 2 FMVPs with Gasol

those are elite numbers, yet people ac like he's some kind of a scrub that rode the bench and had no impact on games :kobe:

[Big#50]

"we"

nikka, who the hell are you? fukk outta here you random POS
Oh HI april 2013 alt.:rolleyes:

[Hey Yo]

Define "sub-par"?

2000 he played injured, yet won the most crucial game of the series with Shaq not playing, hit consecutive clutch shots on the road, including the go-ahead basket and the putback to seal the game
2001 he had one horrible shooting game and dominated the rest of the series
2002 he dropped 27 ppg on 51% shooting with 55% from 3, closed out every game and flat out dominated
2004 he faced the GOAT defensive team of his era, that abused the rules to a point the league had to change them after the Finals, despite shooting what he did, played great defense and made plays for his teammates, who couldn't knock down an open shot to save their lives, watch the damn series before you post
2008 he faced the 2nd best defensive team of his era(the same team Lebron shot under 36% against in the Playoffs the same year, having a 2-18 game with 10 TOVs) and was a collective team blunder away from going 7 games despite Bynum being out for the Playoffs
2009 he put up the numbers that only MJ had last put up (30+/5+/7+ a game)
2010 was pretty much the same as 2001, he had one bad shooting night but relatively dominated the rest of the series

I mean, people are so hell-bent on Kobe's scoring efficiency and ignore when other players do the same. MJ had a few of these series (96 & 98), Lebron had a few (2007 & 2013), Duncan has the worst TS% Finals MVP by anyone in the modern era...

Nikka earned his 5 rings and they are as legit as anyone else's. People cherry pick one series and act like he didn't lead a team to the Finals as the best player on 6 occasions (2001, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2010) and like he didn't win 5 out of 7 Finals.

I hear your opinion, but I'm not getting any solid arguments except that Kobe shot 41 or 43% in the Finals :biggums: Nikka is a 45% career shooter, you gonna hold it against him for at worst shooting 5-7% below his season average against great defenses, when a nikka like Lebron goes from shooting 57% in the regular season to shooting 45% in the Finals? :kobe:

Nikka is considered the GOAT Laker by Jerry West, Shaq, and Magic. Guys like Larry and MJ tell you he's up there with them. What else do you want me to tell you?
Sub par means he's one of the most under performing Finals players ever. Here's some stats before his 2010 Finals which we both know was bad.

"Kobe Bryant has shot 40.5 % or under in four out his six NBA Finals appearances (Around 36% in his first and 38% in his fourth appearance). How many all time greats have shot 40.5% or under once, let alone four times in the NBA Finals? Also keep in mind that in three of those four in which he shot that poorly, Shaq, not him, was the one being double teamed.

"In year 2000, during the regular season, Bryant averaged almost 29 points and five assists per game. How did these stats translate over to the NBA Finals? They lowered to 15 points and four assists per game.
Shaquille O’Neal, on the other hand, raised his scoring average, from 28 in the regular season to 38 in the finals."

"In 2001, the Lakers once again won the NBA Finals. Kobe’s scoring average dropped in the clutch once again, forcing O’Neal to step up his scoring from 27 per game in the regular season to 33 in the finals."

"In 2002, For the third straight year, Kobe’s scoring and assists declined in the series and O’Neal of course stepped it up in the finals."

"In the 2004 NBA Finals, Shaq averaged 26.6 points per game with a .631 field goal percentage, while Kobe Bryant averaged 22.6 points per game with a .381 field goal percentage. However, the main reason Kobe cost the Lakers the title was that he out shot Shaq by nearly six shots despite Kobe shooting 38.1 %, while Shaq was shooting 63.1 %."

"In 2008 finals against the Celtics with this time Kobe being the “man,” he again let his team down. Against the Celtics, he shot .405 from the field and averaged 3.83 turnovers a game. In fact, in three out of their four losses he shot under 35 % from the field.

Kobe all series seemed to start off playing well in the first quarter, and then fall off and never recover. Kobe is perceived to be the best closer in the game, but yet it seemed as though he often disappeared in the 4th quarters of last years finals.

"In game four last year, Mark Jackson, a man who once said that Kobe Bryant will be better than Michael Jordan, even called out Kobe Bryant for not trying to take over the game in the 4th quarter."

"2009 Now this year was easily Kobe’s best finals performance. Kobe led the team to the title and I can’t take any credit away from him. But even so, Kobe still under performed in the NBA finals, as he shot 43 % from the field.

Although his numbers went down in the 2001 finals, he still played well as he shot .514 from the field. Then of course in 2009, despite Kobe’s FGP going down, Kobe led his team to a championship. Now two good finals out of six isn’t acceptable for a true all time great.

The true all time greats, like Jordan and Shaq, generally always showed up in the NBA finals, while Kobe has repeatedly failed to.

If you at actually look at it, Kobe has had two good finals appearances out of seven

[ImKobe]

Oh HI april 2013 alt.:rolleyes:

****ing idiot

[dubeta]

Lets use our trusty friend PER in this scenario

Career Playoff Player Efficiency Rating

1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 27.70
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.13
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Chris Paul 25.04
7. Tim Duncan 24.59
8. Kevin Durant 24.35
9. Charles Barkley* 24.18
10. Dirk Nowitzki 24.17
11. Dwight Howard 23.74
12. Tracy McGrady 23.40
13. Dolph Schayes* 23.29
14. Jerry West* 23.06
15. David Robinson* 23.02
16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
17. Magic Johnson* 22.95
18. Russell Westbrook 22.75
19. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.75
20. Dwyane Wade 22.70
21. Bob Pettit* 22.59
22. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.44
23. Kobe Bryant 22.40


Damn, this was even worse than I thought for Bean :facepalm

[Big#50]

****ing idiot
LOL angry online. You must suck IRL.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lets use our trusty friend PER in this scenario

Career Playoff Player Efficiency Rating

1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 27.70
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.13
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Chris Paul 25.04
7. Tim Duncan 24.59
8. Kevin Durant 24.35
9. Charles Barkley* 24.18
10. Dirk Nowitzki 24.17
11. Dwight Howard 23.74
12. Tracy McGrady 23.40
13. Dolph Schayes* 23.29
14. Jerry West* 23.06
15. David Robinson* 23.02
16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
17. Magic Johnson* 22.95
18. Russell Westbrook 22.75
19. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.75
20. Dwyane Wade 22.70
21. Bob Pettit* 22.59
22. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.44
23. Kobe Bryant 22.40


Damn, this was even worse than I thought for Bean :facepalm

So you truly believe CP3 and McGrady, two players who have never even played in the CONFERENCE Finals, are 2 of the 12 greatest playoff performers of all time?

[dubeta]

So you truly believe CP3 and McGrady, two players who have never even played in the CONFERENCE Finals, are 2 of the 12 greatest playoff performers of all time?

any ranking which has LeBron and Jordan as the 2 best ( in the modern era) seems extremely reliable

For CP3 and Tmac being one of the top 12 playoff performers? sure i dont see why not. After the usual Jordan, LeBron, Shaq etc the rest is pretty debatable on playoff performers, you can make a case for many players depending on how you value efficiency, playmaking, scoring, team success in playoffs etc

[JT123]

So you truly believe CP3 and McGrady, two players who have never even played in the CONFERENCE Finals, are 2 of the 12 greatest playoff performers of all time?
TMac and CP3 were let down by their teammates. Kobe on the other hand, was carried by his teammates.
Do you seriously think TMac wouldn't win at least 5 rings if he played with prime Shaq and prime Gasol?

[HurricaneKid]

2008 ECSF against Boston, explain your theory, please :roll:

2-18 10 TOV game followed by a 6-24 7 TOV game :roll: :roll: Nikka didn't shoot over 40% until the 4th game of the damn series. FOH

And you don't get what "struggling" with FG% is, shooting 4-5% below your season average against the best defensive teams is not struggling. Lebron's % dipped as well going up against the same teams Kobe faced

You still have to take into account that Kobe's overall efficiency for the Playoffs pretty much stays the same or in many cases, actually rises, despite playing more minutes and coming off a long ass regular season. I don't get the hate.

25/6/5 for 3 rings with Shaq (28/7/5 for the latter two titles with him)
30/6/6/2 for 3 straight Finals runs and 2 FMVPs with Gasol

those are elite numbers, yet people ac like he's some kind of a scrub that rode the bench and had no impact on games :kobe:

My theory?? Thats your evidence? Vs 2008 Boston?? Its a close one. But LeBron >>>> Kobe in 09 and 10 comparison...

2008 Vs Celtics:
LeBron: 26.7/6.4/7.6 on .480TS%
Kobe: 25.7/4.7/5.0 on .505TS%


2009 Vs Orlando:
LeBron: 38.5/8.3/8.0 on .591TS%
Kobe: 32.4/5.6/7.4 on .525TS%

2010 Vs Boston:
LeBron ("Quit" series) : 26.8/9.3/7.2 on .556TS%
Kobe : 28.6/8.0/3.9 on .528TS%



You still have to take into account that Kobe's overall efficiency for the Playoffs pretty much stays the same or in many cases, actually rises...


&@#$. You were trolling...

[Hoopz2332]

http://i.imgur.com/4e9Jgjq.png

[Magic 32]

http://s28.postimg.org/wfxp8zma5/4e9_Jgjq.png

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[Hoopz2332]

http://s28.postimg.org/bti6f5hn1/768678.png



Pau Gasol: The Real Finals MVP

http://www.behindthebasket.com/btb/2010/6/19/pau-gasol-the-real-finals-mvp.html

[JT123]

http://i.imgur.com/4e9Jgjq.png
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Magic 32]

Pau Gasol: The Real Finals MVP

http://www.behindthebasket.com/btb/2010/6/19/pau-gasol-the-real-finals-mvp.html

OMG OMG OMG A subjective article.

I'm convinced.

Now I will go on youtube and enjoy Pau posting up Nate Robinson in garbage time with Kobe on the bench (Game 1 and 6).

[Hey Yo]

Pau Gasol: The Real Finals MVP

http://www.behindthebasket.com/btb/2010/6/19/pau-gasol-the-real-finals-mvp.html
"Statistically, Gasol's input in his Lakers' title defense was significantly more important than that of Bryant.

Obviously Kobe's 29 points per look better than Gasol's 19, but it was simply the result of shooting an insane amount of shots at a low percentage. Although the Lakers shot a pitiful 41% over their seven games with Boston, Bryant actually made things worse by shooting 40% (66-163). Not only that, but in a series full of close fourth-quarter battles, Bryant shot an abysmal 31% (11-36) in the games' final periods. Gasol connected on a team-high 48% from the field, hitting 43 of 90 attempts. His efficiency from the field was instrumental in stressing a tight Boston defense."

Can't front on that.

[Hoopz2332]

"Statistically, Gasol's input in his Lakers' title defense was significantly more important than that of Bryant.

Obviously Kobe's 29 points per look better than Gasol's 19, but it was simply the result of shooting an insane amount of shots at a low percentage. Although the Lakers shot a pitiful 41% over their seven games with Boston, Bryant actually made things worse by shooting 40% (66-163). Not only that, but in a series full of close fourth-quarter battles, Bryant shot an abysmal 31% (11-36) in the games' final periods. Gasol connected on a team-high 48% from the field, hitting 43 of 90 attempts. His efficiency from the field was instrumental in stressing a tight Boston defense."

Can't front on that.


Gasol was a beast and should've won the Finals MVp

[Magic 32]

"Statistically, Gasol's input in his Lakers' title defense was significantly more important than that of Bryant.

Obviously Kobe's 29 points per look better than Gasol's 19, but it was simply the result of shooting an insane amount of shots at a low percentage. Although the Lakers shot a pitiful 41% over their seven games with Boston, Bryant actually made things worse by shooting 40% (66-163). Not only that, but in a series full of close fourth-quarter battles, Bryant shot an abysmal 31% (11-36) in the games' final periods. Gasol connected on a team-high 48% from the field, hitting 43 of 90 attempts. His efficiency from the field was instrumental in stressing a tight Boston defense."

Can't front on that.

Pau in the 4th during the 2010 finals.

G1: 2-3 FG (garbage points), 1 turnover, 1 missed FT
G2: 0-1 FG, 1 missed FT
G3: 1-2 FG, 1 missed FT
G4: 2-4 FG, 1 turnover
G5: 2-2 FG (garbage points in a dismal performance), 1 turnover, 1 missed FT
G6: 1-2 FG (garbage points)
G7: 1-2 FG, 4 missed FT

What a hero. :oldlol:

And if I remember correctly, there were 2 blowouts (G1 & G6), courtesy of Mr. Bryant.

Kobe shot 1-4 in a meaningless G1 4th, and then 3 desperation threes missed at the end of game 5 (messing up his 13-24 shooting up to that point).


Defensively, Gasol's man-to-man defense is alright, but his ability to energetically block and redirect shots was unparalleled, blocking 18 for the series (2.6 per) and persuading multiple potential shots to not be taken.

https://stevedwriter.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/11celtics_337-395-popup3.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

Pau in the 4th during the 2010 finals.

G1: 2-3 FG (garbage points), 1 turnover, 1 missed FT
G2: 0-1 FG, 1 missed FT
G3: 1-2 FG, 1 missed FT
G4: 2-4 FG, 1 turnover
G5: 2-2 FG (garbage points in a dismal performance), 1 turnover, 1 missed FT
G6: 1-2 FG (garbage points)
G7: 1-2 FG, 4 missed FT

What a hero. :oldlol:

And if I remember correctly, there were 2 blowouts (G1 & G6), courtesy of Mr. Bryant.

Kobe shot 1-4 in a meaningless G1 4th, and then 3 desperation threes missed at the end of game 5 (messing up his 13-24 shooting up to that point).



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Both players stats in the 4th through all 7 games

Kobe: 49 pts, 11 boards, 2 assists, 6 TO's
Gasol: 31 points, 20 boards, 4 assists, 3 TO's

[Hey Yo]

Both players stats in the 4th through all 7 games

Kobe: 49 pts, 11 boards, 2 assists, 6 TO's
Gasol: 31 points, 20 boards, 4 assists, 3 TO's
Considering the winner of all seven games was also the team that lead each contest in rebounds, this part of their games cannot be overlooked.

"Gasol was the top rebounder by quite a substantial margin for the series, snagging 11.6 boards per, including an incredible 5.0 offensive each night. With the rest of the Lakers shooting such a low percentage from the field, Gasol's offensive rebounds and the subsequent second-chance points alone were regularly the difference between winning and losing.

He surpassed his rebound average in four of the seven games, so there were no single-game totals that pushed his average so high."

[Magic 32]

Considering the winner of all seven games was also the team that lead each contest in rebounds, this part of their games cannot be overlooked.

"Gasol was the top rebounder by quite a substantial margin for the series, snagging 11.6 boards per, including an incredible 5.0 offensive each night.

Kobe averaged 2.5. offensive rebounds in the 4 wins. 9.75 rebounds total in those games.

Pau averaged 4.75 offensive rebounds in the 4 wins. 13.75 rebounds total in those games.

4 more rebounds per game, 2.25 more offensive rebounds.

meh

[knicksman]

kobe isnt a bully tho. He performs well against a worthy opponent and dont give a damn about shitty east teams. And most of his career the finals happened in the west