Who's better - Kidd or Lebron?

[stalkerforlife]

Triple doubles...

Kidd 107

Lebron - 36

APG...

Kidd 8.7

Lebron 6.9

3pt%...

Kidd 35%

Lebron 34%

FT%...

Kidd 78.5%

Lebron 74.7%

SPG...

Kidd 1.9

Lebron 1.7

ALL-DEFENSE...

Kidd 9 selections

Lebron 6 selections

Leading NBA in assists...

Kidd 5 times

Lebron 0 times

This doesn't account for Lebron's inevitable decline, but it does take Kidd's into account and Kidd played 19 seasons.

[navy]

So now we use stats huh?

Kidd > Lebron > Kobe

[stalkerforlife]

So now we use stats huh?

Kidd > Lebron > Kobe

Stats, eye test, winning, etc.

[NZStreetBaller]

finally a comparison thread with stats. hmmm looks pretty close so far. I know lebron has more rebounds but hes much bigger and blacker so he dam well should have more rebounds.

[JohnFreeman]

Kidd and Kobe both don't give a shit about their wives :applause:

[stalkerforlife]

finally a comparison thread with stats. hmmm looks pretty close so far. I know lebron has more rebounds but hes much bigger and blacker so he dam well should have more rebounds.

:roll:

[masonanddixon]

Kidd is the greater overall player (led his team to 2 Finals appearances, was a good role player for Dallas) but right now Lebron is the flavor of the month. When it's all said and done though, history would look back more fondly on Kidd as an overall entity.

[navy]

Kidd is the greater overall player (led his team to 2 Finals appearances, was a good role player for Dallas) but right now Lebron is the flavor of the month. When it's all said and done though, history would look back more fondly on Kidd as an overall entity.
Lebron has 5 Finals appearances. You're dumber than a sack of rocks.

The only people that think Kidd is better than Lebron are trolls or retards. Take your pick.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You really make this thread and expect no one to notice that you ignored scoring?

[NZStreetBaller]

mmmm this sure is a tough one.

Lets not forget that Kidd is undefeated against lebron in finals series and undefeated against lebron in regular season games as a coach.

This is beginning to look one sided hhhmmmm??

[stalkerforlife]

Kidd is the greater overall player (led his team to 2 Finals appearances, was a good role player for Dallas) but right now Lebron is the flavor of the month. When it's all said and done though, history would look back more fondly on Kidd as an overall entity.

:applause:

Kidd went to back to back finals with Kenyon Martin as his second best player. :lol

Imagine if Kidd had colluded.

[stalkerforlife]

mmmm this sure is a tough one.

Lets not forget that Kidd is undefeated against lebron in finals series and undefeated against lebron in regular season games as a coach.

This is beginning to look one sided hhhmmmm??

Thanks for those facts.

Wow.

[Nash]

I think Kidd, just ahead of Lebron.


Kobe is worse than both.

[dubeta]

:applause:

Kidd went to back to back finals with Kenyon Martin as his second best player. :lol

Imagine if Kidd had colluded.

On a side note Kobe is 0-2 in collusions (2004,2012)

its one thing to collude, but to fail while doing so? :no:

[stalkerforlife]

On a side note Kobe is 0-2 in collusions (2004,2012)

its one thing to collude, but to fail while doing so? :no:

When talking collusion, one must factor in age.

What you call colluding, is what I call ring chasing on Kobe's back.

Lebron has colluded twice now with superstars in their primes.

[ImKobe]

On a side note Kobe is 0-2 in collusions (2004,2012)

its one thing to collude, but to fail while doing so? :no:

"collusions", fat, past-prime shaq + TOSB GP that shot under 30% in the Finals and averaged like 2 apg, old Malone with a knee injury?

2012? Oh, you mean a Dwight Howard that came off back surgery and didn't play ball for 8 months, a Nash that broke his foot the 2nd game of the season, TOSB Antawn Jamison, that couldn't shoot worth a lick, Ron Artest, that got 10 wide open 3s a game and at best made 4 of them, Pau Gasol, who injured his foot and played like crap in D'Antoni's system. Oh, and the player you're hating on tore his achilles as well.

Darius Morris and Robert Sacre were starting for us at one point, what a staaaacked roster.

idiots.

[NZStreetBaller]

I think Kidd, just ahead of Lebron.


Kobe is worse than both.

:kobe: we aint talking about kobe brah.

[navy]

"collusions", fat, past-prime shaq + TOSB GP that shot under 30% in the Finals and averaged like 2 apg, old Malone with a knee injury?

2012? Oh, you mean a Dwight Howard that came off back surgery and didn't play ball for 8 months, a Nash that broke his foot the 2nd game of the season, TOSB Antawn Jamison, that couldn't shoot worth a lick, Ron Artest, that got 10 wide open 3s a game and at best made 4 of them, Pau Gasol, who injured his foot and played like crap in D'Antoni's system. Oh, and the player you're hating on tore his achilles as well.

Darius Morris and Robert Sacre were starting for us at one point, what a staaaacked roster.

idiots.

None of this is relevant. When they got together they were all expected to be good. You cant gameplan for injuries and circumstances after the fact.

The Lakers were predicting 72-10 records for pete's sake. That cast was expected to be good when they were colluding.

[dubeta]

"collusions", fat, past-prime shaq + TOSB GP that shot under 30% in the Finals and averaged like 2 apg, old Malone with a knee injury?

2012? Oh, you mean a Dwight Howard that came off back surgery and didn't play ball for 8 months, a Nash that broke his foot the 2nd game of the season, TOSB Antawn Jamison, that couldn't shoot worth a lick, Ron Artest, that got 10 wide open 3s a game and at best made 4 of them, Pau Gasol, who injured his foot and played like crap in D'Antoni's system. Oh, and the player you're hating on tore his achilles as well.

Darius Morris and Robert Sacre were starting for us at one point, what a staaaacked roster.

idiots.

Excuses everywhere :oldlol:

Its better than 50 games a season Wade or 12/6 Bosh

[NZStreetBaller]

When talking collusion, one must factor in age.

What you call colluding, is what I call ring chasing on Kobe's back.

Lebron has colluded twice now with superstars in their primes.

superstars come to kobe.

Lebron goes to superstars.

But we talking about the almighty Kidd:bowdown:

[Nash]

:kobe: we aint talking about kobe brah.
go do some haka boy and leave basketball to us :kobe:

[NZStreetBaller]

go do some haka boy and leave basketball to us :kobe:

You can join in if you want homie:cheers:

[CeltsGarlic]

kidd as a player but as far as coaching goes I think LBJ is a bit better.

[aj1987]

How the hell is OP not banned? Dude is like one of the biggest trolls on this site. Doubt and Dragic level troll.

[NZStreetBaller]

How the hell is OP not banned? Dude is like one of the biggest trolls on this site. Doubt and Dragic level troll.

lol you are aware that this is retaliation to the kobe vs the admiral thread right.....

[stalkerforlife]

How the hell is OP not banned? Dude is like one of the biggest trolls on this site. Doubt and Dragic level troll.

Still mad that I thrashed you in that other thread? :lebroncry:

[Real14]

Jason Kidd is better.

[riseagainst]

OP brings in very convincing arguments. Who could exclude triple double counts when comparing other plays to lebron, aside from Kobe. So whoever has more triple doubles than Lebron is a better player than lebron. If not, then eye test.

[imdaman99]

The thing is, Kidd took 2 shitty teams to the Finals in a weak conference, got annihilated once by a great Lakers team and lost a hard fought 6 game series to a very good Spurs team, they even had the lead in Game 6.

Bran took 1 shitty team to the Finals in a weak conference and proceeded to get annihilated by a very good Spurs team.

Kidd was 1 for 1 on a stacked team, bran 2 for 4 on a stacked team.

Do the math.

[riseagainst]

the player Jason Kidd is goes beyond his stats. His intangibles alone are worth having on the court as a leader.

[imdaman99]

the player Jason Kidd is goes beyond his stats. His intangibles alone are worth having on the court as a leader.
Plus, he is a guy that legitimately makes the players around him better. He doesn't hog the stats and forces stars on the team to become role players. Everyone who has played with Kidd has thrived or maxed out their potential.

Yes Kidd filled the stat sheets, but it was not to the detriment to the rest of the team. He allowed them all to play their games, he didn't play with many stars up until he came back to Dallas. The only negative on his resume is him not being able to make it work with Mashburn and Jim Jackson so early in their careers, but over time we came to realize them other 2 were never going to be anything special anyway.

Obviously if I am being real, I would say bran is better than Kidd. But Kidd was a better winner as a player.

He didn't throw a series because he had to take a back seat, he did whatever was asked of him. I saw enough dagger 3s from him to know this, he didn't disappear in the 4th quarters.

[Real14]

1/3 is better than 2/5:pimp:

[Real14]

kidd as a player but as far as coaching goes I think LBJ is a bit better.
That was pat riley coaching.

[SouBeachTalents]

1/3 is better than 2/5:pimp:

Horry 7/7 the GOAT :bowdown:

[Real14]

Horry 7/7 the GOAT :bowdown:
A bench 3 point shooter DONT COUNT:no:

[SexSymbol]

Plus, he is a guy that legitimately makes the players around him better. He doesn't hog the stats and forces stars on the team to become role players. Everyone who has played with Kidd has thrived or maxed out their potential.

Yes Kidd filled the stat sheets, but it was not to the detriment to the rest of the team. He allowed them all to play their games, he didn't play with many stars up until he came back to Dallas. The only negative on his resume is him not being able to make it work with Mashburn and Jim Jackson so early in their careers, but over time we came to realize them other 2 were never going to be anything special anyway.

Obviously if I am being real, I would say bran is better than Kidd. But Kidd was a better winner as a player.

He didn't throw a series because he had to take a back seat, he did whatever was asked of him. I saw enough dagger 3s from him to know this, he didn't disappear in the 4th quarters.

Every offense that is centered around one guy moving the ball is making the players on the team worse. Having a ball dominant point guard isn't winning basketball

[J Shuttlesworth]

1/3 is better than 2/5:pimp:
:roll: :roll:
Is this dude serious right now?

[pauk]

Kidd obviously.....


Plus, he is a guy that legitimately makes the players around him better. He doesn't hog the stats and forces stars on the team to become role players. Everyone who has played with Kidd has thrived or maxed out their potential.

Yes Kidd filled the stat sheets, but it was not to the detriment to the rest of the team. He allowed them all to play their games, he didn't play with many stars up until he came back to Dallas. The only negative on his resume is him not being able to make it work with Mashburn and Jim Jackson so early in their careers, but over time we came to realize them other 2 were never going to be anything special anyway.

Obviously if I am being real, I would say bran is better than Kidd. But Kidd was a better winner as a player.

He didn't throw a series because he had to take a back seat, he did whatever was asked of him. I saw enough dagger 3s from him to know this, he didn't disappear in the 4th quarters.

Is this guy actually serious?

[Im so nba'd out]

1/3 is better than 2/5:pimp:
i crunched the numbers your wrong breh 2/5 is actually better than 1/3 :eek:

[aj1987]

Still mad that I thrashed you in that other thread? :lebroncry:
The thread in which you said that the West had 7 top 10 defenses last season? Sure. If pulling "facts" out of your ass is your definition of trashing somebody.


Is this guy actually serious?
Considering the fact that that guy is a dubeta, stalkerforlife, real14, etc. level idiot, I think he's being serious.

[GODbe]

Easily Kidd.

[Hey Yo]

LOL @ those praising the wife beating, drunk driving POS that is Jason Kidd.

[Smook A.]

:oldlol: Why is this even a question?

[aj1987]

:oldlol: Why is this even a question?
Because this is ISH?

[riseagainst]

1/3 is better than 2/5:pimp:

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[Megabox!]

:roll: :roll:
Is this dude serious right now?
The sad part is he's not trolling, he's completely serious

[dr.hee]

1/3 is better than 2/5:pimp:


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[Smook A.]

1/3 is better than 2/5:pimp:
Let's do some math, bro.

2/5 = 40%
1/3 = 33%

40% > 33%

Therefore, 2/5 > 1/3.

[navy]

1/3 is better than 2/5:pimp:
this nikka really cant do math :roll:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Lebron. Kidds a better defender, more skilled, much higher ball IQ and playmaker but Lebrons scoring advantage is too much. Kidds biggest advantage is transition and Lebron can score and defend with the greatest in that part due to his natural and freak athleticism and physical gifts

[Real14]

this nikka really cant do math :roll:
I know mathematically its incorrect but in my book its correct cuz LeBron lost 3 times while kidd lost only twice plus Lebron had two asterisks for rings anyway.

[dubeta]

I know mathematically its incorrect but in my book its correct cuz LeBron lost 3 times while kidd lost only twice plus Lebron had two asterisks for rings anyway.

THe entire knicks franchise is an asterisk

[Real14]

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My bad I forgot to do this.....

1/3 is better than 2*/5:pimp:

[Real14]

THe entire knicks franchise is an asterisk
Now you're hating.

[Real14]

The sad part is he's not trolling, he's completely serious
I meant to put 2 asterisks.

[JT123]

1/3 is better than 2/5:pimp:
:roll: I knew you were dumb, but holy shit!

[Real14]

:roll: I knew you were dumb, but holy shit!
Watch yourself son. You are a phucking Lebron James stan who thinks that Lebron is the best ever and actually think that Kobe was the 2nd best player for every single ring he has?:biggums: Come on bro, you don't wanna talk shit:mad:

[dubeta]

Watch yourself son. You are a phucking Lebron James stan who thinks that Lebron is the best ever and actually think that Kobe was the 2nd best player for every single ring he has?:biggums: Come on bro, you don't wanna talk shit:mad:

Just take the L, little boi :oldlol:



Knicks 2/68 btw

[Prometheus]

1/3 is better than 2/5:pimp:

Your math is even worse than your English.

[Prometheus]

THe entire knicks franchise is an asterisk

:lol

[Real14]

Just take the L, little boi :oldlol:



Knicks 2/68 btw
Lebron has missed more playoffs than Melo and was too puhcee to participate in a slam dunk contest which all the legends weren't scared to do including Kobe.

[Real14]

Your math is even worse than your English.
Go back to dangle on Lebron's nuts. Talking about me, what tha phuck you do for a living? Internet gangsta?:biggums:

[JT123]

Real14 having a meltdown. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

lol. Real14 has cemented himself as the winner of the "Dumbest Shit ever said on ISH" thread

[Real14]

Real14 having a meltdown. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
You afraid to answer my question little girl? If Shaq really piggy backed Kobe to 3 rings then why tha hell Shaq wasn't the number one guy when he won that asterisk ring in Miami? Shaq was never the same when he left the lakers:no:

[Real14]

lol. Real14 has cemented himself as the winner of the "Dumbest Shit ever said on ISH" thread
Yall gay ass blood stained pantie Lebron stans coming at me like crazy all because I said 2*/5 is worse than 1/3 and yall wanna keep going at me on my error that I made. I mean damn yall runts don't even have a team, all you do is slurp a damn man who's a bitch, a phony and a coward. Now that's pretty damn sad and pretty phuckin dumb:coleman:

[dubeta]

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/0fe/edb/56b/resized/michael-jackson-popcorn-meme-generator-in-for-the-meltdown-91bb02.jpg

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yall gay ass blood stained pantie Lebron stans coming at me like crazy all because I said 2*/5 is worse than 1/3 and yall wanna keep going at me on my error that I made. I mean damn yall runts don't even have a team, all you do is slurp a damn man who's a bitch, a phony and a coward. Now that's pretty damn sad and pretty phuckin dumb:coleman:
Tell us more about how 33% > 40%

[Real14]

Tell us more about how 33% > 40%
Reading comprehension stupid.. I said 2*/5 not 2/5. Big ass difference.

[dubeta]

Reading comprehension stupid.. I said 2*/5 not 2/5. Big ass difference.

Dude its actually the opposite, LeBron's finals LOSSES are asterisks

2007- had a D League team

2011- Wade and Lebron couldnt coexist

2014- D league team


Lebron is actually 2/5* meaning 100%

[Real14]

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http://rudysarena.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobe-blocks-lebron-2013-all-star-game.jpg
http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobe-lebron-block.jpg
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http://ocnnreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/send43.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

Dude its actually the opposite, LeBron's finals LOSSES are asterisks

2007- had a D League team

2011- Wade and Lebron couldnt coexist

2014- D league team


Lebron is actually 2/5* meaning 100%

Lol, like 2011 wasn't LeBron's fault

[J Shuttlesworth]

Reading comprehension stupid.. I said 2*/5 not 2/5. Big ass difference.
What is this all about then?
http://i.imgur.com/tVMJaWi.png

[red1]

real14 :roll:

[dubeta]

Lol, like 2011 wasn't LeBron's fault

Dude both were to blame

bran didnt play well in the 4th quarters, and wade was too ball dominant. Wade also messed up end of Game 4 and didnt show up in Game 6

[Real14]

Dude its actually the opposite, LeBron's finals LOSSES are asterisks

2007- had a D League team

2011- Wade and Lebron couldnt coexist

2014- D league team


Lebron is actually 2/5* meaning 100%

Retards I swear:facepalm

2007- got swept fair and square

2011- Lebron had 0 points in a 4th quarter, quit on his teammates (super stacked team) and got defeated by 2 midgets in terry and barea

2014- Lebron LeCramped and quit on his teammates (super stacked team) and got defeated by 1 midget in mills and got schooled by non all star leonard.

I rest my damn case:coleman:

[red1]

just jump off a bridge already would you? :lol

[Real14]

What is this all about then?
http://i.imgur.com/tVMJaWi.png
I guess your dumb ass have Alzheimer's cuz I said that was an error, and I said it multiple times later that 2*/5 is worse than 1/3

[Real14]

just jump off a bridge already would you? :lol
Another LeBron stan/craptor fan talking shit:facepalm. You should jump over a bridge when my team has a better record than your team this season. I will remind your hating ass too, don't think I won't:coleman:

[VIP2000]

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Kidd was 1 for 1 on a stacked team, bran 2 for 4 on a stacked team.
Do the math.

What about the other 3 1/2 seasons he was on the Mavericks? Moron.

[Smook A.]

Another LeBron stan/craptor fan talking shit:facepalm. You should jump over a bridge when my team has a better record than your team this season. I will remind your hating ass too, don't think I will:coleman:
idk man I think the Raptors are a pretty good team. They'll probably finish as a top 4 or 5 seed in the East.

[Real14]

What about the other 3 1/2 seasons he was on the Mavericks? Moron.
Mavericks never had a stacked team like tha Miami cheat.

[GrapeApe]

Kidd had a better college career. He was great at Cal.

[Real14]

idk man I think the Raptors are a pretty good team. They'll probably finish as a top 4 or 5 seed in the East.
Like I said people needs to stop being hypocrites.
Knicks was 2nd best in 2013, 2014 nobody gave us a chance.
Raptors was 3rd best in 2014 and lost to old ass nets in tha first damn round and people think they will be top 4 again?

PREVIOUS 4 SEASONS

KNICKS

2011- playoffs
2012- playoffs
2013- playoffs, semis
2014- x


RAPTORS

2011- X
2012- X
2013- X
2014- playoffs, lost to father time nets in 1st round.



Come on with these childish charades. This is why I get mad and have to stand up for my team:coleman:

[Cali Syndicate]

Dude its actually the opposite, LeBron's finals LOSSES are asterisks

2007- had a D League team

2011- Wade and Lebron couldnt coexist

2014- D league team


Lebron is actually 2/5* meaning 100%

I agree.

However, his wins also have asterisks. In 2012, Durant, Westbrook and Harden couldn't coexist. In 2013, Parker and Manu were injured, basically no better than glorified d-league players.

Simply put, Lebron has yet to win a championship.

[Smook A.]

Like I said people needs to stop being hypocrites.
Knicks was 2nd best in 2013, 2014 nobody gave us a chance.
Raptors was 3rd best in 2014 and lost to old ass nets in tha first damn round and people think they will be top 4 again?

PREVIOUS 4 SEASONS

KNICKS

2011- playoffs
2012- playoffs
2013- playoffs, semis
2014- x


RAPTORS

2011- X
2012- X
2013- X
2014- playoffs, lost to father time nets in 1st round.



Come on with these childish charades. This is why I get mad and have to stand up for my team:coleman:
But we're talking about present time, so the past is irrelevant.

As of right now, the Raptors have a solid team and I think they have a good chance to be at least a top 5 seed in the Eastern Conference.

[Real14]

But we're talking about present time, so the past is irrelevant.

As of right now, the Raptors have a solid team and I think they have a good chance to be at least a top 5 seed in the Eastern Conference.
What place you had the raptors in 2014 before tha regular season started? Answer that shit:coleman:

[Smook A.]

What place you had the raptors in 2014 before tha regular season started? Answer that shit:coleman:
Before the 2013-2014 season started? Here were my East standings...

1. Heat
2. Pacers
3. Bulls
4. Knicks
5. Raptors
6. Nets
7. Wizards
8. Hawks

[GODbe]

Retards I swear:facepalm

2007- got swept fair and square

2011- Lebron had 0 points in a 4th quarter, quit on his teammates (super stacked team) and got defeated by 2 midgets in terry and barea

2014- Lebron LeCramped and quit on his teammates (super stacked team) and got defeated by 1 midget in mills and got schooled by non all star leonard.

I rest my damn case:coleman:
:lol :applause:

[Real14]

Before the 2013-2014 season started? Here were my East standings...

1. Heat
2. Pacers
3. Bulls
4. Knicks
5. Raptors
6. Nets
7. Wizards
8. Hawks


yea right:oldlol:

[Smook A.]

yea right:oldlol:
Those were my predictions. What were yours?

[Real14]

Those were my predictions. What were yours?
I think the majority of ISH had knicks worse than number 4 and had tha raptors as a lottery team.

[SouBeachTalents]

I think the majority of ISH had knicks worse than number 4 and had tha raptors as a lottery team.

Proof?

[dr.hee]

What about some math classes for Real14? There are plenty of possibilities to find help for such special snowflakes as yourself. Never forget this. You aren't dumb, retarded or challenged. No, you're a very very special boy.
:cheers:

[Smook A.]

I think the majority of ISH had knicks worse than number 4 and had tha raptors as a lottery team.
Raptors weren't that bad. Before the season started, they had a good team. Good enough to make the playoffs, that's for sure.

[Real14]

What about some math classes for Real14? There are plenty of possibilities to find help for such special snowflakes as yourself. Never forget this. You aren't dumb, retarded or challenged. No, you're a very very special boy.
:cheers:
What do you do for a living? What are your goals in life niguh?:coleman:

[Real14]

Raptors weren't that bad. Before the season started, they had a good team. Good enough to make the playoffs, that's for sure.
:oldlol:

[Real14]

Proof?
look it up bruh.

[stalkerforlife]

Plus, he is a guy that legitimately makes the players around him better. He doesn't hog the stats and forces stars on the team to become role players. Everyone who has played with Kidd has thrived or maxed out their potential.

Yes Kidd filled the stat sheets, but it was not to the detriment to the rest of the team. He allowed them all to play their games, he didn't play with many stars up until he came back to Dallas. The only negative on his resume is him not being able to make it work with Mashburn and Jim Jackson so early in their careers, but over time we came to realize them other 2 were never going to be anything special anyway.

Obviously if I am being real, I would say bran is better than Kidd. But Kidd was a better winner as a player.

He didn't throw a series because he had to take a back seat, he did whatever was asked of him. I saw enough dagger 3s from him to know this, he didn't disappear in the 4th quarters.

:applause:

[stalkerforlife]

Real14 absolutely wrecking the Lebron stan army in this thread.

Classic.

[Smook A.]

:oldlol:
I think Raps will be better than the Knicks

[Real14]

Real14 absolutely wrecking the Lebron stan army in this thread.

Classic.
Amen:applause:

[Real14]

I think Raps will be better than the Knicks
Wanna bet?:D

[GimmeThat]

Grant Hill without any evidence of his injury

[Smook A.]

Wanna bet?:D
Sure. Loser leaves ISH for a month

[Lebron23]

LBJ all the way.

[Real14]

Sure. Loser leaves ISH for a month
Bet.

[knicksman]

On a side note Kobe is 0-2 in collusions (2004,2012)

its one thing to collude, but to fail while doing so? :no:


nah kobe is too alpha to accept colluded rings. And he knows bran would struggle winning 2 while having better teammates than shaq. So kobe just gave away those chances.

[aj1987]

Sure. Loser leaves ISH for a month
That kid has like 20 alts on this board.

[dr.hee]

What do you do for a living? What are your goals in life niguh?:coleman:

Don't know, acting like a mentally challenged ghetto kid on ISH?

[rule1223]

put kidd on the big 3 heat instead of lebron, we wouldve seen 06 finals wade and 09 bosh night in and night out, they wouldve cruised to a 4peat

[ralph_i_el]

Sure. Loser leaves ISH for a month
Don't bother. He and I have a permaban bet on that.

[Beastmode88]

Sometimes im ashamed to be a knick fan. Some of the stuff real14 post. :facepalm

[riseagainst]

Jason Kidd has more triple doubles, therefore according to logic, he is better.

[tpols]

put kidd on the big 3 heat instead of lebron, we wouldve seen 06 finals wade and 09 bosh night in and night out, they wouldve cruised to a 4peat

forreal though.. Bosh wouldve been a 20/8 player alongside JKidd. Wade wouldve been more free to do his own thing, their fastbreak game would still be deadly and Kidd is signifigantly better rebounder, defender, and passer/playmaker at his position than Lebron is. Kidd has years in the playoffs with more rebounds per game and steals per game than a guy twice his size.. just way tougher. How's a point guard gonna grab 11 rpg??

If he could take a team with kmart and RJ to the finals through a weak east he could easily do better today with wade, bosh and ray allen.

[stalkerforlife]

Bu bu bu bu BUT Kidd had Keith Van Horn when he went to back to back finals.

[Stringer Bell]

finally a comparison thread with stats. hmmm looks pretty close so far. I know lebron has more rebounds but hes much bigger and blacker so he dam well should have more rebounds.

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Anyway, Lebron is better. Not really a good comparison, although Kidd was terrific, Lebron is clearly better.

[stalkerforlife]

Looks likes Kidd won this one.

Great job, guys.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Sometimes im ashamed to be a knick fan. Some of the stuff real14 post. :facepalm
:lol :lol

[pauk]

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Anyway, Lebron is better. Not really a good comparison, although Kidd was terrific, Lebron is clearly better.

No way, Kidd > Lebron, see OP numbers.

Kidd = Top 10

Good thread, dignifies heavy discussion over a very analytical comparison.

[Smook A.]

Sometimes im ashamed to be a knick fan. Some of the stuff real14 post. :facepalm
Yeah some of it is really cringe-worthy. He made a bet on the Knicks winning more games than the Bulls, Nuggets, and Raptors :facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

And the point of this thread was....? Like anyone's really going to have LeBron over Kidd all time

[JT123]

And the point of this thread was....? Like anyone's really going to have LeBron over Kidd all time
:facepalm Ungrateful piece of shit Heat fans! So glad he left that pathetic franchise and fan base.

[Smook A.]

:facepalm Ungrateful piece of shit Heat fans! So glad he left that pathetic franchise and fan base.
Dude... you were a Heat fan just 2 months ago.

[Beastmode88]

:facepalm Ungrateful piece of shit Heat fans! So glad he left that pathetic franchise and fan base.

lol bandwagoner talking shit about fandom. :roll: :roll:

[imdaman99]

Kidd obviously.....



Is this guy actually serious?
If we're judging on pre-stacked teams, the Nets team was just as shitty as the Cavs would have been without their best player. So yes, I'm serious. Take off your bran-jizzed glasses. Kidd would do the little things, he even guarded Kobe in the Finals. I did not see bran try to cover Dirk or Tony Parker in those finals that he lost. I saw him get smoked by Kawhi though. Giving up Finals MVPs :rockon:

[JT123]

If we're judging on pre-stacked teams, the Nets team was just as shitty as the Cavs would have been without their best player. So yes, I'm serious. Take off your bran-jizzed glasses. Kidd would do the little things, he even guarded Kobe in the Finals. I did not see bran try to cover Dirk or Tony Parker in those finals that he lost. I saw him get smoked by Kawhi though. Giving up Finals MVPs :rockon:
Did Kidd have to go up against a Boston team with 4 future Hall of Famers? :biggums: Fck outta here with that shit.

[Beastmode88]

Did Kidd have to go up against a Boston team with 4 future Hall of Famers? :biggums: Fck outta here with that shit.

Lebron went up against dirk + bunch of role players and he had d wade and christina bosh but put up negative PER in the 4th.

[JT123]

Lebron went up against dirk + bunch of role players and he had d wade and christina bosh but put up negative PER in the 4th.
Wade hogged the ball and reduced Lebron to a spot up shooter. Wade ball turns stars into role players. :confusedshrug:

[dubeta]

Sometimes im ashamed to be a knick fan. Some of the stuff real14 post. :facepalm

We gon act like y'all aint the same person

[Beastmode88]

Wade hogged the ball and reduced Lebron to a spot up shooter. Wade ball turns stars into role players. :confusedshrug:


Here you go:

2011 finals stats:

Wade: 234 minutes, 61%TS, 11%TRB, 28.7%AST, 2.1%STL, 3.6%BLK, 10.4%TOV, 30.2%USG, 120 ORTG. 22.7 GMSC.

Lebron: 262 minutes, 54%TS, 10.6%TRB, 28.8%AST, 2.1%STL, 1%BLK, 19.5%TOV, 22.9%USG, 102 ORTG. 13.7 GMSC.

in case you don't know what GMSC (gamescore) is, it is: rough measure of a player's productivity in a game. 10 = average performance. So Lebron is slightly above average in the series, while Wade is worth more than 2 average players.

Wade beats Lebron in every stat except in AST% which is only .1% less. Think of it like this, Lebron was looking to pass on every possession and he still only ended up with the same assist rate as Wade, while wade was way more aggressive to score. All this while playing almost 30 minutes less than Lebron.

look at their turnovers. Lebron was twice as likely to turn it over than Wade, you want the ball in his hands even more?

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[Beastmode88]

We gon act like y'all aint the same person

coming from you who was banned more times than lebron has rings..? :facepalm

[dubeta]

coming from you who was banned more times than the Knicks have rings..? :facepalm

fixed

[Smook A.]

We gon act like y'all aint the same person
No way Beastmode is Real14/Fresh Kid/Wilds09 and whatever other alt Real14 has... The posting style is totally different. Only thing Real14 does on this forum is make bets and tell people "tha Knicks" are going to be a top 3 team in the East next season.

[Beastmode88]

fixed

like i said before, bandwagoners talking about franchises is just pathetic.

[riseagainst]

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dam... i don't even remember posting that.

:oldlol:
:rockon:

[Beastmode88]

dam... i don't even remember posting that.

:oldlol:
:rockon:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=348517

in before you're my alt again. :roll: :roll:

[Hey Yo]

If we're judging on pre-stacked teams, the Nets team was just as shitty as the Cavs would have been without their best player. So yes, I'm serious. Take off your bran-jizzed glasses. Kidd would do the little things, he even guarded Kobe in the Finals. I did not see bran try to cover Dirk or Tony Parker in those finals that he lost. I saw him get smoked by Kawhi though. Giving up Finals MVPs :rockon:
Now we're praising players for guarding a teams 2nd best player??

:facepalm

[ralph_i_el]

Who's better - Kidd riding on Lebron's shoulders, or Lebron in a wheelchair?

[tpols]

Now we're praising players for guarding a teams 2nd best player??

:facepalm

So kidd was supposed to guard shaq? :facepalm

[tpols]

Who's better - Kidd riding on Lebron's shoulders, or Lebron in a wheelchair?

Kidd raining threes on bran in the 2011 finals :bowdown:

[SouBeachTalents]

So kidd was supposed to guard shaq? :facepalm

Obviously

[knicksman]

if you replace bran with kidd on the heat and guess how many rings? I think at least 3 which makes him better. As jordan have said, "talent wins games, teamwork wins championships." Bran is just a talent while kidd is a team player. The player with the better stats while not reducing his teammates is the better player. Thats why its no wonder why bran doesnt impact like magic/jordan.

[Nilocon165]

1/3 is better than 2/5:pimp:
:roll:

[inclinerator]

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[k0kakw0rld]

This is a tough decision for me

but LeBron is the better player

[Lebron23]

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