kenny Smith said the Rockets would have beaten Jordan Bulls in 94 & 95

[robert_shaww]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kExqf4byWXo&hd=1

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I think its safe to say that Jordan and the Bulls would have came out of the East both those years but would they have been able to beat the Rockets? Jordan never played against a dominant center in the finals so it would have been interesting.

Rockets Starting Lineup in 1994
C-Hakeem Olajuwon
PF-Otis Thorpe
SF-Robert Horry
SG-Vernon Maxwell
PG-Kenny Smith

Rockets Starting Lineup in 1995
C-Hakeem Olajuwon
PF-Robert Horry
SF-Clyde Drexler
SG-Mario Elie
PG-Kenny Smith

PD: In the video, Steve kerr said the Bulls woud have not win 8 titles in a row. "Absolutely no Way" he said.

[Real14]

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[JT123]

He's right, but lucky for Jordan he choked against Orlando in 95, thus allowing him to keep his perfect Finals record intact. Part of me often wonders if Jordan quit on the Bulls in that Orlando series because he was afraid of facing Hakeem.

[kennethgriffin]

well maybe in 95. but not in 94

[navy]

95, sure it's possible. The Bulls lost to the Magic that series. Which the Rockets proceeded to sweep.

94? Meh. Maybe if Hakeem went off.

[L.Kizzle]

Between 1991 and 1993 Rockets beat Bulls in 5 out of 6 games.

[Meticode]

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[SouBeachTalents]

'94 is extremely doubtful. '95 would have arguably been their toughest Finals test

[Stringer Bell]

Of course he's gonna say that. And players on Chicago would disagree.

The Bulls lost in 95' less so because of Jordan's rustiness and more because they were weak at the 4 spot. Horace Grant gave them solid rebounding and interior defense. Grant ended up being a key factor in the 95' series when Orlando beat Chicago. MJ still put up great numbers and was explosive. He had some key errors in games 1 and 6. He could have been tired from expending extra energy due to their weakness in certain areas. Same with Pippen.

I really don't buy this asterisk crap. It is what it is. Orlando was the better team. Houston was the better team than Orlando and would have likely defeated Chicago if Chicago had gotten out of the East. Hakeem would have had a field day with Chicago's big guys.

As for the Rockets against the Bulls in 94' who knows? Are we assuming that Jordan plays at his usual level during the 93-94 season and his play doesn't suffer from burnout/depression? That reminds me, people sure were harsh at Pippen in the 1990 EC Finals with the migraine issue. Migraines obviously are different in severity to different people....sometimes you can't do shit but close your eyes and wait for it to go away. Jordan lost his father and retired and went to play baseball months later. Pippen lost his father and went back to playing right after that, and ppl shit on him for having a migraine. Not everyone plays well after personal tragedies.

It's hard to pick against the Bulls, but for what it's worth, they didn't face a whole abundance of teams during their 6 titles with dominant centers.

The Rockets did provide more offensive weapons than the Knicks did. Olajuwon was better than Ewing anyway. Orlando had some key injuries when they got swept in 96' (not that they were gonna win anyway). Daugherty, Zo....not exactly like facing a peak Olajuwon.

[kennethgriffin]

i love the part in OP's video link when isiah punks mj for the millionth time in his life

zeke is so cold blooded it aint even funny

[GrapeApe]

The Bulls would definitely win in '94, but I don't think they win the '95 title regardless. That would have been the burnout year after 4 straight IMO.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

94 ROCKETS BARELY BEAT THE KNICKS!

So suddenly theyre going to beat the Bulls?

gtfoh

[Beastmode88]

i love the part in OP's video link when isiah punks mj for the millionth time in his life

zeke is so cold blooded it aint even funny


derozan punking kobe is up there as well as kobe punking lebron during the asg.

[Patrick Chewing]

Knicks were a couple or three or four or five missed John Starks 3-pointers from winning Game 7.

[kamil]

He's right, but lucky for Jordan he choked against Orlando in 95, thus allowing him to keep his perfect Finals record intact. Part of me often wonders if Jordan quit on the Bulls in that Orlando series because he was afraid of facing Hakeem.

Let's assume a best case scenario for your sexual fantasies.

6/7 is still significantly better than 2/5.

[L.Kizzle]

94 ROCKETS BARELY BEAT THE KNICKS!

So suddenly theyre going to beat the Bulls?

gtfoh
What does the Knicks have to do with the Bulls? The Sonics used to have the Rockets number in the same time period.

[Cali Syndicate]

It'd be a tossup in 94 but I'd put my money on the Bulls. Like others have said, Rockets barely beat the Knicks in finals. The Knicks barely beat the Bulls w/o MJ.

Rockets won win in 95. Bulls lacked interior presence. Olajuwan would've dominated. Bulls win a game or two.

[Stringer Bell]

Knicks were a couple or three or four or five missed John Starks 3-pointers from winning Game 7.

They may have been a Hakeem block away from winning the series game 6. We'll never know if it would have went in, but the way Starks was shooting in that 4th quarter, it wouldn't have surprised me in the least.

Ewing's awful offensive performances really hurt NY.

[fpliii]

What does the Knicks have to do with the Bulls? The Sonics used to have the Rockets number in the same time period.
Game 7 at Seattle in 93 was also very poorly officiated. Houston would've shown up vs the Suns or Chicago that year for sure.

[kennethgriffin]

derozan punking kobe is up there as well as kobe punking lebron during the asg.

if that counts then kobe punked mj worse than any other in nba history

what he score? 50 in one half on hemjay?

[Soundwave]

IF Jordan had not retired 93-94 Bulls arguably would've been the best version of any of the Bulls squads IMO.

Jordan would still have a high level of athleticism, while Grant, an improving Armstrong, and Pippen were all still in their 20s and then you add Kukoc, the best player in Europe to that.

94 Rockets barely beat the Knicks, they wouldn't beat that Bulls team. 95? It depends on what happens there, the Bulls may lose Grant to free agency but they likely would then use the cap room on someone else so it's hard to speculate on what their roster would look like.

94 Rockets just don't match up well with the Bulls ... the no.2 scoring option was 6'2 Vernon Maxwell who averaged 13 ppg in the 94 Finals. Alternate Jordan and Pippen on him and he's rendered a non-factor and Houston doesn't have a whole lot of scoring outside of Hakeem. Sure he'd get his 26-30, but so would Jordan (and then some).

[houston]

soundwave summs it up

[Young X]

Bulls would've smoked them in 1994.

[SamuraiSWISH]

IF Jordan had not retired 93-94 Bulls arguably would've been the best version of any of the Bulls squads IMO.
Agreed.

- Prime Jordan
- Peak Pippen
- Peak H. Grant
- Peak BJ Armstrong

Add: Kukoc, and Kerr.

Total equilibrium between early 90s Bulls, and late 90s Bulls. The '95 team would've been better w/ MJ there the whole season. But I don't know if they beat Houston w/ Drexler w/o Grant inside to help rebound, and defend.

[Marchesk]

95 Rockets would have kept the Bulls from pulling a Boston with the 8-peat.

Did Jordan not even consider the possibility of matching Russell? Once he beat Magic with the three-peat, he was satisfied to leave.

[Soundwave]

I personally think Reinsdorf/Krause probably pony up to re-sign Grant in the summer of 94 if they knew they had a good shot at another Finals + ring with Jordan in the fold ... the extra playoff rounds generate big money, no point in saving a few dollars to lose more down the road.

Beyond that though I think Jordan would rather lose a limb than lose a Finals to Clyde Drexler, so he would be amped in 95 too.

[sportjames23]

Between 1991 and 1993 Rockets beat Bulls in 5 out of 6 games.


Between 1996 and 1998 Bulls beat the Rockets in 5 out of 6 games.

[sportjames23]

What does the Knicks have to do with the Bulls? The Sonics used to have the Rockets number in the same time period.


And Houston is lucky to have avoided them then.

[sportjames23]

95 Rockets would have kept the Bulls from pulling a Boston with the 8-peat.

Did Jordan not even consider the possibility of matching Russell? Once he beat Magic with the three-peat, he was satisfied to leave.

In case you didn't notice, his father was murdered that summer. More to life than basketball.

And before any of you fakkits say it, it had NOTHING to do with him gambling on the golf course or in casinos.

[3ball]

houston had a basic approach to their offense, which worked against everyone because olajuwon could do what true all-time greats do.

but if you go up the levels high enough, there's always a level of competition that can exploit a team that has a one-dimensional approach... The 3-time champion bulls WITH Jordan were that level imo...

Plus, they figured out how to beat Zo, Ewing, and Shaq... why not Olajuwon too?

the swagger and intimidation of being 3-time champs going for 4 would win it alone imo.

[TheMan]

if that counts then kobe punked mj worse than any other in nba history

what he score? 50 in one half on hemjay?
Even though that's BS, keep believing that if it helps you sleep at night :oldlol: Meanwhile, MJ is at worst a legit GOAT candidate if not the outright GOAT while Kobe is at best top 10...

Realest talk, deal with it.

[bizil]

I've always maintained that the 95 team with Clyde would have been the Bulls toughest test. Clyde was still actually in his tailend prime years (and Clyde NEVER REALLY fell off). I think with him and a peak Hakeem, that would have given Mike and the Bulls MAJOR TROUBLE! I wouldn't have been shocked to see them beat the Bulls. Gotta keep in mind that Mike never defeated a dominant two way HOF center in the Finals. In the East, he beat the Pat and the Knicks. But with all due respect, Pat wasn't quite on peak Hakeem's level and the Knicks had NO PERIMETER PLAYER close to Clyde Drexler.

[Soundwave]

I've always maintained that the 95 team with Clyde would have been the Bulls toughest test. Clyde was still actually in his tailend prime years (and Clyde NEVER REALLY fell off). I think with him and a peak Hakeem, that would have given Mike and the Bulls MAJOR TROUBLE! I wouldn't have been shocked to see them beat the Bulls. Gotta keep in mind that Mike never defeated a dominant two way HOF center in the Finals. In the East, he beat the Pat and the Knicks. But with all due respect, Pat wasn't quite on peak Hakeem's level and the Knicks had NO PERIMETER PLAYER close to Clyde Drexler.

He swept Shaq in '96 and did beat other pretty good centers too ... Alonzo and Mutombo. Hakeem just had fits with the Sonics, not MJ's fault he couldn't get over the hump.

I think with the Rockets you give Hakeem his 30, but shut down everyone else, that would be the problem with the Rockets, outside of Hakeem I don't think they could match the Bulls, Pippen + Grant + Armstrong + Kukoc are four legit guys who can score 13-20 on any given night on top of Jordan's 30+.

[sportjames23]

And people gotta realize--playoff Bulls were a whole different beast then regular season Bulls. More focused, more determined.

Haters harp on the Rockets record against the Bulls in the regular season, but they only played twice a year. Many of those times, the Bulls had to play them during the vaunted Texas Triangle, where they'd have to play the Spurs, Rockets and Mavs (who still had a very good team back then) back-to-back-to-back.

If the Rockets were division or conference rivals of the Bulls, it would have been a different story. But bottom line, playing the Bulls in the regular season didn't compare to playing them in the playoffs.

[bizil]

He swept Shaq in '96 and did beat other pretty good centers too ... Alonzo and Mutombo. Hakeem just had fits with the Sonics, not MJ's fault he couldn't get over the hump.

I think with the Rockets you give Hakeem his 30, but shut down everyone else, that would be the problem with the Rockets, outside of Hakeem I don't think they could match the Bulls, Pippen + Grant + Armstrong + Kukoc are four legit guys who can score 13-20 on any given night on top of Jordan's 30+.

I'm aware of MJ against the other bigs in the East. But MJ's top rivals in his career were The Pistons and The Knicks. That's why I singled out Pat and The Knicks. Those two teams physical brand of basketball was more of a challenge than what a young Magic team with Shaq could bring at that time.

In terms of the shutting EVERYONE ELSE down other than Hakeem, do u realize another HOFer in his prime in Drexler was on that Rockets team. Drexler ain't getting shut down by ANYBODY even Jordan and Pippen. MJ was clearly better than Clyde no doubt about it. But Clyde is arguably the 5th GOAT SG just behind MJ, Kobe, Wade, and West. To be frank, I think I would rather have Hakeem-Clyde to build around in a long term scenario over MJ-Pippen. I like having a dominant alpha dog big man with a versatile, alpha dog perimeter player. But taking those duos out of the equation, Cassell, Kenny Smith, Horry, and Elie matches up well with BJ, Grant, Kukoc and company. So I would favor the Bulls, but it would go seven games!

[bizil]

And it bothers me that people are underrating a Drexler-Hakeem combination! Do people realize u are talking about guys who are in the top 5 GOAT for their respective positions. Hakeem was at his absolute peak and Drexler was still in his prime too. U can't forget the clutch shooting and D of Kenny Smith, Horry, and Elie as well. And u have a stud combo guard of the bench in Sam I Am! And don't forget they ALSO had Mad Max on that team until he supposedly faked an injury because of Drexler taking his minutes. If Mad Max would have kept his head on straight, u are talking a backcourt of Cassell and Mad Max off the bench! Once again I would bet on The Bulls, BUT I wouldn't be shocked if the Rockets won. If Mad Max was in the mix, I think I would likely favor Houston in 7!

[L.Kizzle]

And people gotta realize--playoff Bulls were a whole different beast then regular season Bulls. More focused, more determined.

Haters harp on the Rockets record against the Bulls in the regular season, but they only played twice a year. Many of those times, the Bulls had to play them during the vaunted Texas Triangle, where they'd have to play the Spurs, Rockets and Mavs (who still had a very good team back then) back-to-back-to-back.

If the Rockets were division or conference rivals of the Bulls, it would have been a different story. But bottom line, playing the Bulls in the regular season didn't compare to playing them in the playoffs.
:biggums:

Mavs won a total of 45 games in three seasons between 1991 and 1993.

[r0drig0lac]

Then delirious, no team of that time(maybe ever) os beating that team going for 4 peat

[jayfan]

Game 7 at Seattle in 93 was also very poorly officiated. Houston would've shown up vs the Suns or Chicago that year for sure.

This. That Rockets team put it together in the '93 playoffs and was coming on strong.




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[jayfan]

The fact that the Rockets barely beat the Knicks means nothing. The Spurs barely beat the Mavs in the 1st round this year. So what? It's all about matchups. The Knicks were able to muck it up and played tough, physical D against Houston. Doesn't necessarily mean Houston couldn't have beaten Chicago. They looked a lot better in the western conference series'.





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[robert_shaww]

Of course he's gonna say that. And players on Chicago would disagree.

The Bulls lost in 95' less so because of Jordan's rustiness and more because they were weak at the 4 spot. Horace Grant gave them solid rebounding and interior defense. Grant ended up being a key factor in the 95' series when Orlando beat Chicago. MJ still put up great numbers and was explosive. He had some key errors in games 1 and 6. He could have been tired from expending extra energy due to their weakness in certain areas. Same with Pippen.

I really don't buy this asterisk crap. It is what it is. Orlando was the better team. Houston was the better team than Orlando and would have likely defeated Chicago if Chicago had gotten out of the East. Hakeem would have had a field day with Chicago's big guys.

As for the Rockets against the Bulls in 94' who knows? Are we assuming that Jordan plays at his usual level during the 93-94 season and his play doesn't suffer from burnout/depression? That reminds me, people sure were harsh at Pippen in the 1990 EC Finals with the migraine issue. Migraines obviously are different in severity to different people....sometimes you can't do shit but close your eyes and wait for it to go away. Jordan lost his father and retired and went to play months later. Pippen lost his father and went back to playing right after that, and ppl shit on him for having a migraine. Not everyone plays well after personal tragedies.

It's hard to pick against the Bulls, but for what it's worth, they didn't face a whole abundance of teams during their 6 titles with dominant centers.

The Rockets did provide more offensive weapons than the Knicks did. Olajuwon was better than Ewing anyway. Orlando had some key injuries when they got swept in 96' (not that they were gonna win anyway). Daugherty, Zo....not exactly like facing a peak Olajuwon.

:applause: nice work

[Dragonyeuw]

94? No, prime MJ, peak Pippen( have we forgotten how GOOD Pip was in 94??), prime BJ, prime Grant, and rookie Kukoc? That team had potential to be the best version of the dynasty bulls except perhaps the 96 team.

95? Yeah, I'd put money on the Rockets. Hakeem was playing GOAT level and even if MJ had played all year and matched Hakeem's greatness, and even considering Pippen at that stage over Drexler( and Clyde wasn't a slouch in 95), interior defense with Grant gone would have been exposed as it was against the Magic. The role players with Horry, Cassell, Elie, Kenny Smith > 95 Bulls role players.

[MiseryCityTexas]

I remember Sam Cassell and Rudy-T damn near said the same thing back in 2004.

[MiseryCityTexas]

94? No, prime MJ, peak Pippen( have we forgotten how GOOD Pip was in 94??), prime BJ, prime Grant, and rookie Kukoc? That team had potential to be the best version of the dynasty bulls except perhaps the 96 team.

95? Yeah, I'd put money on the Rockets. Hakeem was playing GOAT level and even if MJ had played all year and matched Hakeem's greatness, and even considering Pippen at that stage over Drexler( and Clyde wasn't a slouch in 95), interior defense with Grant gone would have been exposed as it was against the Magic. The role players with Horry, Cassell, Elie, Kenny Smith > 95 Bulls role players.


Even though Clyde lost some athleticism in 95, Clyde was a much better defender in 95 than he was in 92.

[SamuraiSWISH]

94? No, prime MJ, peak Pippen( have we forgotten how GOOD Pip was in 94??), prime BJ, prime Grant, and rookie Kukoc? That team had potential to be the best version of the dynasty bulls except perhaps the 96 team.
IMO it would've been the best. You have a more youthful, energetic, versatile, physical prime Jordan. Does work finishing at the rim, outside, post, or off the dribble still. More energy defensively.

Grant provides interior defense, rebounding, shot blocking. Peak, contract year.

BJ Armstrong provides good perimeter defense, great spot up 3 point shooting. Peak, contract year.

Scottie was at his very best in 1994. Top 3 player status that season. Beastly defensively.

Shuttering to think what a small ball lineup with still physical prime MJ, who attacked more off the dribble from the perimeter surrounded by these guys to space the floor:

Kukoc (streaky 3 point shooter)
Pippen (streaky 3 point shooter)
BJ (great 3 point shooter)
Kerr (great 3 point shooter)

[sportjames23]

:biggums:

Mavs won a total of 45 games in three seasons between 1991 and 1993.

Doesn't mean they didn't play the better teams tough.

Kobe's Lakers used to have a hard time with the Bobcats.

[mehyaM24]

honestly i think the rockets beat the bulls in 94 and 95. chicago had no one that could stop hakeem, and the inside-out game would prove to be too much.

not only that, but houston had chicago's number around 92-96. i remember in 93 they mopped the floor with the bulls winning the two outer conference matchups with ease. and then there is 96, where jordan was held to 7-26 shooting by horry and drexler. :eek:

[andgar923]

Would anybody seriously bet against MJ?

[mehyaM24]

Would anybody seriously bet against MJ?

i'd make a killing betting on the 80s celtics and bad boy pistons. :oldlol:

[andgar923]

i'd make a killing betting on the 80s celtics and bad boy pistons. :oldlol:

:rolleyes:

We're talking about 'prime' MJ and the Bulls, thought you'd be smart enough to know that.

[mehyaM24]

jordan was in his prime in 89 and 90. :confusedshrug:

give me the 80s celtics, 80s pistons, 80s lakers and mid-90s rockets over the bulls, every time. i would be filthy rich.

[andgar923]

jordan was in his prime in 89 and 90. :confusedshrug:

give me the 80s celtics, 80s pistons, 80s lakers and mid-90s rockets over the bulls, every time. i would be filthy rich.
:rolleyes:

[sportjames23]

jordan was in his prime in 89 and 90. :confusedshrug:

give me the 80s celtics, 80s pistons, 80s lakers and mid-90s rockets over the bulls, every time. i would be filthy rich.


Bitch, I'd be taking your money.

Funny how those Rockets never were good enough to meet the Bulls in the Finals. Bulls were there 6 times to the Rockets' 2, with one being when MJ was retired. They should be thanking the Nuggets every day for helping them in 1994.

[Dragonyeuw]

IMO it would've been the best. You have a more youthful, energetic, versatile, physical prime Jordan. Does work finishing at the rim, outside, post, or off the dribble still. More energy defensively.

Grant provides interior defense, rebounding, shot blocking. Peak, contract year.

BJ Armstrong provides good perimeter defense, great spot up 3 point shooting. Peak, contract year.

Scottie was at his very best in 1994. Top 3 player status that season. Beastly defensively.

Shuttering to think what a small ball lineup with still physical prime MJ, who attacked more off the dribble from the perimeter surrounded by these guys to space the floor:

Kukoc (streaky 3 point shooter)
Pippen (streaky 3 point shooter)
BJ (great 3 point shooter)
Kerr (great 3 point shooter)

Yeah, 94 MJ/Pip > 96 MJ/Pip, though I think there is slightly more of a difference between 94 and 96 MJ, than 94 and 96 Pippen. I think Pip was playing as well in 96 as he was for 94 before injuries slowed him towards the end of the year. He was,what, 30 in 96 and had the full 1 1/2 years of being team leader in MJ's absence under his belt. There was a confidence in his overall approach and despite MJ returning to claim the alpha role, Pip for most of 96 played less like a clear #2 subordinate and more of a 1B type role( as in playing as if he knew his status as a legit superstar and not just playing in MJ's shadow). Its been a while, but thats how I recall 96 playing out. Jordan assumed the scoring burden as always but Pip was the better, more youthful defender at that point and had full mastery over directing the offense.

Otherwise, I would take the 96 role players overall. In Rodman vs Grant, you lose scoring but you gain extra rebounding and a defensive tormentor against the likes of Shaq, Mourning, Malone. BJ was good in 94, I wouldnt put him above 96 Kukoc though. Otherwise, you can probably go up and down the roster and pick out varying advantages to slightly or lesser degree, if somehow we were able to see a hyphothetical 94 vs 96 Bulls matchup it would have been interesting to see.

[riseagainst]

MJ would have dropped 70 in the finals.

:bowdown:

[Dragonyeuw]

jordan was in his prime in 89 and 90. :confusedshrug:

give me the 80s celtics, 80s pistons, 80s lakers and mid-90s rockets over the bulls, every time. i would be filthy rich.

The rest of his team wasnt in their prime, however. Individual greatness can only go so far when you're facing overall superior teams, which those 80s teams were in comparison to who MJ was playing with before Pippen and Grant came along and developed. People act like those 80s Celtics, Lakers and Pistons( the former 2 especially) didnt feature several all-time great talents.

[mehyaM24]

Bitch, I'd be taking your money.

Funny how those Rockets never were good enough to meet the Bulls in the Finals. Bulls were there 6 times to the Rockets' 2, with one being when MJ was retired. They should be thanking the Nuggets every day for helping them in 1994.

they were good enough to play in the finals in 94 and sweep the bulls a year before in the regular season. and in the bull's best season to date? horry and drexler held jordon to 6-29 shooting.

[Dragonyeuw]

they were good enough to play in the finals in 94 and sweep the bulls a year before in the regular season. and in the bull's best season to date? horry and drexler held jordon to 6-29 shooting.

Didnt the 2007 cavs sweep the season series against SA? Did that translate to the finals? The playoffs and regular season time and time again has proven to be different animals.

As for the 6/29 or whatever, MJ has had crap shooting games against worse teams and players than that. Means very little in the grand picture....would you define Kobe by the 6/24 he shot in game 7 in 2010? Of course not....lets not resort to silly arguments.

[sportjames23]

Didnt the 2007 cavs sweep the season series against SA? Did that translate to the finals? The playoffs and regular season time and time again has proven to be different animals.

As for the 6/29 or whatever, MJ has had crap shooting games against worse teams and players than that. Means very little in the grand picture....would you define Kobe by the 6/24 he shot in game 7 in 2010? Of course not....lets not resort to silly arguments.


That's his M.O., bruh. He never argues in good faith.

[chocolatethunder]

Those teams most certainly would have beaten those Bulls teams. Those Houston teams were some of the best ever.

[LAZERUSS]

I find it hard to believe that the '94 Bulls, who lost a close seven game series against the 56-26 Knicks, and outscored them in that series...and then that Knicks team lost a close seven game series to the 58-24 Rockets, and outscored them in that series...would not have gotten at least a few more points from MJ in that post-season.

As for '95, Hakeem's supporting cast badly outplayed Shaq's in the Finals. In fact, those supporting players shot considerably better than Hakeem, himself, in that series. I doubt MJ, without an elite PF, would have been enough to win against that Rocket team.

[scandisk_]

i'd make a killing betting on the 80s celtics and bad boy pistons. :oldlol:

you weren't even in this world when MJ retired :roll: :roll: :roll:

this fool.