Number of playoff series victories over 50+ win teams: Lebron 6, Duncan 18, Kobe 24

[JohnMax]

Number of Playoff Series Victories over teams with 50+ wins:

Lebron: 6
Duncan: 18
Kobe: 24

Let's put these numbers into their proper context...

Dirk's 2011 Title Run: 48 win Blazers, 57 win Lakers, 55 win Thunder, and 58 win Miami (3, 50+ win teams)
Kobe's 2010 Title Run: 50 win OKC, 53 win Utah, 54 win Phoenix, 50 win Boston (4, 50+ win teams)
Duncan's 2005 Title Run: 49 win Denver, 52 win Seattle, 62 win Phoenix, 54 win Detroit (3, 50+ win teams)

In one single playoff...

Lebron's entire career has been a fraud. How does he get cemented as a top 20 player (forget the top 10 list) for beating up on the Bucks, Sixers, and Bobcats?

[Real14]

:roll:

[Big#50]

ESPN tried the same shit with KOBE. The real fans know whats up.

[dubeta]

Counting Duncan and Kobe's sidekick years as legit wins :lol

[JT123]

Trying too hard OP. :sleeping This thread has been made 1000 times already, come up with some new troll material.

[knicksman]

Number of Playoff Series Victories over teams with 50+ wins:

Lebron: 6
Duncan: 18
Kobe: 24

Let's put these numbers into their proper context...

Dirk's 2011 Title Run: 48 win Blazers, 57 win Lakers, 55 win Thunder, and 58 win Miami (3, 50+ win teams)
Kobe's 2010 Title Run: 50 win OKC, 53 win Utah, 54 win Phoenix, 50 win Boston (4, 50+ win teams)
Duncan's 2005 Title Run: 49 win Denver, 52 win Seattle, 62 win Phoenix, 54 win Detroit (3, 50+ win teams)

In one single playoff...

Lebron's entire career has been a fraud. How does he get cemented as a top 20 player (forget the top 10 list) for beating up on the Bucks, Sixers, and Bobcats?

How bout before he joined miami?? I think 1..:oldlol: This might be the reason for joining wade.

[Heavincent]

:applause:

[SouBeachTalents]

How bout before he joined miami?? I think 1..:oldlol: This might be the reason for joining wade.

How many do the Knicks have this millennium?

[knicksman]

imagine bran in the west. Hell be a first round fodder

[ImKobe]

How about 2001

50-32 Portland TrailBlazers
55-27 Sacramento Kings
58-24 San Antonio Spurs
56-26 Philadeplhia 76ers

Averages in the first 3 rounds

31.6 ppg 7.0 rpg 6.2 apg 1.6 spg on 49% shooting

This is Kobe at 22 years old, being the best player in the league in the first 3 series, the worst game in the first 3 rounds was a 22 point 9 assist game on 39% shooting (his worst shooting game of the first 3 rounds).

Averages in the Finals: 25/8/6 on 50%TS, averaged 27/9/6 on 44% shooting in the 4 straight wins.

Kobe ended up leading the 2001 Lakers in winshares and having an equal WS/48 to prime Shaq, at 22 years old.

Kobe da gawd

[sportjames23]

Number of Playoff Series Victories over teams with 50+ wins:

Lebron: 6
Duncan: 18
Kobe: 24

Let's put these numbers into their proper context...

Dirk's 2011 Title Run: 48 win Blazers, 57 win Lakers, 55 win Thunder, and 58 win Miami (3, 50+ win teams)
Kobe's 2010 Title Run: 50 win OKC, 53 win Utah, 54 win Phoenix, 50 win Boston (4, 50+ win teams)
Duncan's 2005 Title Run: 49 win Denver, 52 win Seattle, 62 win Phoenix, 54 win Detroit (3, 50+ win teams)

In one single playoff...

Lebron's entire career has been a fraud. How does he get cemented as a top 20 player (forget the top 10 list) for beating up on the Bucks, Sixers, and Bobcats?


Ouch.

[ImKobe]

How bout before he joined miami?? I think 1..:oldlol: This might be the reason for joining wade.

To be fair, his number would be a little higher if it wasn't for the 2011-12 lockout season, he beat several teams that would have won 50+ games if they played a full season (Celtics in the ECF, OKC in the Finals).

Still, it only puts him at 8.

Playing in the East will do that though, you face less 50+ win teams (you might only face one in the ECF).

[dubeta]

The real question is which 50 win team SHOULD LeBron have beaten, but couldn't?

The answer is only the 2011 Mavs. Every other team were much better than LeBron's


From 2006-2010, while people were criticising LeBron for coming up short, they conveniently forgot that against 50 win teams, the other team routinely had 4 of the top 5 players on the court. LeBron would be the best player on the court, and the next 4 best players were on the other team (2006 Pistons, 2007 Spurs, 2008, 2010 Celtics etc). Which Player in NBA History can beat those odds??! MJ in the same situations went 1-9 at least LeBron consistently went to the Semi Finals/ Conference Finals

[Encre92]

Counting Duncan and Kobe's sidekick years as legit wins :lol
This. Absolutely pathetic.:facepalm

[J Shuttlesworth]

:roll:
How many 50+ win teams has Melo beaten?

[J Shuttlesworth]

LeBron really has 9 since 3 of the teams they faced in 2011 were 60% wins or higher, which translates to a 50 win team in a non-lockout regular season.

Also, it's pretty crazy that LeBron has the playoff stats he does considering he consistently has to play the best defenses in the league. You can say "East sucks" all you want, but his playoff numbers shouldn't be better than Kobe's or Duncan's since those guys don't face tough defenses in the West.

http://i.imgur.com/nyZAf8F.png

[kennethgriffin]

This. Absolutely pathetic.:facepalm

so the mods finally get banning power. and they continue to let this guy quote himself?

dubeta, encre92, dragic, lebronxrings, corleone, and dozens others like them are ALL THE SAME GOD DAMN PERSON


CAN WE PLEASE END THIS?????????

[dubeta]

so the mods finally get banning power. and they continue to let this guy quote himself?

dubeta, encre92, dragic, lebronxrings, corleone, and dozens others like them are ALL THE SAME GOD DAMN PERSON


CAN WE PLEASE END THIS?????????

kennethgriffin = stalker4life

[riseagainst]

Kobe with 24

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[TheMarkMadsen]

It was a lock out season, you don't get to put an * by the W/L record of other teams to prop up lebron without putting a * on the entire season itself.

And it was 2012

[kennethgriffin]

kennethgriffin = stalker4life


you wish i had as much free time on my hands as you do. i'm 30, i have a girl, i have my own place, i have a car, i'm in shape, i'm good at ball... and i have a good amount of money. i didnt get all this sitting on a computer all day like you signing into 10 other accounts to agree with myself

[dubeta]

you wish i had as much free time on my hands as you do. i'm 30, i have a girl, i have my own place, i have a car, i'm in shape, i'm good at ball... and i have a good amount of money. i didnt get all this sitting on a computer all day like you signing into 10 other accounts to agree with myself



Damn I'm arguing with a kid half my age :oldlol:

[J Shuttlesworth]

It was a lock out season, you don't get to put an * by the W/L record of other teams to prop up lebron without putting a * on the entire season itself.

And it was 2012
Not really. You could change this stat from 50+ win teams to 60% win teams, and you'll get more accurate results.

It's like saying the 2012 Thunder were a shit team because they only won 47 games. The 2014 Suns won more games than the 2012 Thunder. Does that make them a better team?

Quit with the agendas

[DaSeba5]

How bout before he joined miami?? I think 1..:oldlol: This might be the reason for joining wade.

How many do the Knicks have in this century?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Damn I'm arguing with a kid 3x my age :oldlol:

Fixed.

[dubeta]

Fixed.

So a 10 year old boy lives rent free in half of ISH's head?? :lol


Damn y'all some pedo's

[TheMarkMadsen]

Not really. You could change this stat from 50+ win teams to 60% win teams, and you'll get more accurate results.

It's like saying the 2012 Thunder were a shit team because they only won 47 games. The 2014 Suns won more games than the 2012 Thunder. Does that make them a better team?

Quit with the agendas

The only thing adding 60% teams would do is include lock out seasons and 49 wins teams..

and you're telling me to quit with the agenda? lmao

if you want to add an * next to 99 & 12 to denote that said seasons were unlike the others so you can include a couple extra teams for Lebron then fine, but be consistent with the *

just adds another for Kobe anyways, 50 win teams were something Kobe and the Lakers had to face every series, Lebron in the past 2 years has had to face like two 50 win teams to get the the finals..

[J Shuttlesworth]

The only thing adding 60% teams would do is include lock out seasons and 49 wins teams..

and you're telling me to quit with the agenda? lmao

if you want to add an * next to 99 & 12 to denote that said seasons were unlike the others so you can include a couple extra teams for Lebron then fine, but be consistent with the *

just adds another for Kobe anyways
49 win teams don't count for 60%, unless you round.

But it's foolish to say that a team like the Thunder doesn't count, even though they were a tougher team than some of the teams Kobe had to face. They made the finals in the stacked West. Going purely off win totals and disregarding teams that won 60% of their games is just stupid, and reeks of agenda.

I could do some bullshit agenda post like disregarding certain Laker series due to reffing, but I'm not all about bullshit agendas, unlike you.

[Heavincent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyCysXZnahk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wVwztfmNVI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEkagNYwbM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmT7nL9Gnkw&list=UUrkHyvhXuJtRTrBSOww3LRw&index=52

[r15mohd]

would like to see the numbers when Kobe and TD were leaders of their team, more so Kobe. Shaq has ALWAYS been a big reason for Kobe's success in these realms.

TD's number are in order however, he's been the Spurs backbone since being drafted to today. Kobe only got that job in 2005 to present

[edrick]

Holy shit, so you're saying that the West typically has teams in the playoffs with more wins than teams in the East? This is brand new information.

[KobesFinger]

would like to see the numbers when Kobe and TD were leaders of their team, more so Kobe. Shaq has ALWAYS been a big reason for Kobe's success in these realms.

TD's number are in order however, he's been the Spurs backbone since being drafted to today. Kobe only got that job in 2005 to present

Still 10

2008 Nuggets
2008 Jazz
2008 Spurs
2009 Rockets
2009 Nuggets
2009 Magic
2010 Thunder
2010 Jazz
2010 Suns
2010 Celtcis

[r15mohd]

Still 10

2008 Nuggets
2008 Jazz
2008 Spurs
2009 Rockets
2009 Nuggets
2009 Magic
2010 Thunder
2010 Jazz
2010 Suns
2010 Celtcis

much more telling figure than the 24 being tossed around...HUGE difference, and thank you! :cheers:

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe faced the best competition AND had the least amount of support during his 3 straight finals and back to back titles.

The Kobe, Duncan, and Lebron conversation is OVER.

Kobe >

[robert_shaww]

24 ??

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[stalkerforlife]

Number of Playoff Series Victories over teams with 50+ wins:

Lebron: 6
Duncan: 18
Kobe: 24

Let's put these numbers into their proper context...

Dirk's 2011 Title Run: 48 win Blazers, 57 win Lakers, 55 win Thunder, and 58 win Miami (3, 50+ win teams)
Kobe's 2010 Title Run: 50 win OKC, 53 win Utah, 54 win Phoenix, 50 win Boston (4, 50+ win teams)
Duncan's 2005 Title Run: 49 win Denver, 52 win Seattle, 62 win Phoenix, 54 win Detroit (3, 50+ win teams)

In one single playoff...

Lebron's entire career has been a fraud. How does he get cemented as a top 20 player (forget the top 10 list) for beating up on the Bucks, Sixers, and Bobcats?

Agreed.

You ended so many debates with this thread. :applause:

[tpols]

much more telling figure than the 24 being tossed around...HUGE difference, and thank you! :cheers:

I would add

35/9/4 47FG against 55 win Kings
33/7/7 51FG against 58 win Spurs
26/5/5 45FG (to shaq's 21/12 45FG) against 58 win spurs in 2002

these 3 to that list as well since Kobe outperformed Shaq and really you couldnt ask for much better performances

[stalkerforlife]

How about 2001

50-32 Portland TrailBlazers
55-27 Sacramento Kings
58-24 San Antonio Spurs
56-26 Philadeplhia 76ers

Averages in the first 3 rounds

31.6 ppg 7.0 rpg 6.2 apg 1.6 spg on 49% shooting

This is Kobe at 22 years old, being the best player in the league in the first 3 series, the worst game in the first 3 rounds was a 22 point 9 assist game on 39% shooting (his worst shooting game of the first 3 rounds).

Averages in the Finals: 25/8/6 on 50%TS, averaged 27/9/6 on 44% shooting in the 4 straight wins.

Kobe ended up leading the 2001 Lakers in winshares and having an equal WS/48 to prime Shaq, at 22 years old.

Kobe da gawd

Once again, this post ends a lot of debates. :applause:

[stalkerforlife]

LeBron really has 9 since 3 of the teams they faced in 2011 were 60% wins or higher, which translates to a 50 win team in a non-lockout regular season.

Also, it's pretty crazy that LeBron has the playoff stats he does considering he consistently has to play the best defenses in the league. You can say "East sucks" all you want, but his playoff numbers shouldn't be better than Kobe's or Duncan's since those guys don't face tough defenses in the West.

http://i.imgur.com/nyZAf8F.png

The east has better defenses because they PLAY AGAINST EACH OTHER a majority of the time. AND THEY SUCK.

They only have better defenses ON PAPER BECAUSE THEY PLAY AGAINST EACH OTHER AND THEIR SHITTY TEAMS.

Only THREE teams in the east last year had a winning record against the west. THREE.

[r15mohd]

I would add

35/9/4 47FG against 55 win Kings
33/7/7 51FG against 58 win Spurs
26/5/5 45FG (to shaq's 21/12 45FG) against 58 win spurs in 2002

these 3 to that list as well since Kobe outperformed Shaq and really you couldnt ask for much better performances

are there any where Gasol outperformed Bryant (2010 finals maybe?) Odom or any other Lakers during the Kobe reign?
same for any other stars eclipsing TD (I'm sure Parker has had many) and Lebron (I don't think outside of the Mavs finals, and that was a loss, has he been outperformed by any other teammate)?

[tpols]

are there any where Gasol outperformed Bryant (2010 finals maybe?) Odom or any other Lakers during the Kobe reign?
same for any other stars eclipsing TD (I'm sure Parker has had many) and Lebron (I don't think outside of the Mavs finals, and that was a loss, has he been outperformed by any other teammate)?

Gasol outperformed Kobe against the 50 win Thunder in 2010.. all other series Kobe had the edge.

Even in 2010 Finals.. 29/8/4 53 TS versus 19/12/4 56 TS.. Kobe also won FMVP and was the focus of the defense.. he also played pretty good defense on the C's best players leading into the finals inrondo who was on fire coming out of the east(using the same shade the paint method LA used to stop WB after he was torching fisher)

[r15mohd]

Gasol outperformed Kobe against the 50 win Thunder in 2010.. all other series Kobe had the edge.

Even in 2010 Finals.. 29/8/4 53 TS versus 19/12/4 56 TS.. Kobe also won FMVP and was the focus of the defense.. he also played pretty good defense on the C's best players leading into the finals inrondo who was on fire coming out of the east(using the same shade the paint method LA used to stop WB after he was torching fisher)


I can agree...so that leaves use where now:

TD around 13-14
Kobe 11-12 with the stellar series with Shaq, and the loss of one to Gasol
and Lebron at 6-7 if the lockout season is factored in

it's not as big a difference many make it out to be after-all. we can also show that Shaq is just as much deserving on this list too when comparing the greats over the past 15-20 years

[SamuraiSWISH]

Umm, Kobe had significant help advantage in this comparison playing with a fellow top ten all-timer from 1997 - 2004. Or does context not count in this absurd comparison?

[r15mohd]

Umm, Kobe had significant help advantage in this comparison playing with a fellow top ten all-timer from 1997 - 2004. Or does context not count in this absurd comparison?


addressed above...he's around 10 if we factor out Shaq's years.

[SamuraiSWISH]

addressed above...he's around 10 if we factor out Shaq's years.
How many 60+ win teams have each of these guys beat? To be 50+ is a good team. 60+ is a certifiable GREAT team. Anyone care to do the numbers for this comparison?

[russwest0]

The east has better defenses because they PLAY AGAINST EACH OTHER a majority of the time. AND THEY SUCK.

They only have better defenses ON PAPER BECAUSE THEY PLAY AGAINST EACH OTHER AND THEIR SHITTY TEAMS.

Only THREE teams in the east last year had a winning record against the west. THREE.

I'm surprised they haven't figured this one out yet.

We all saw the finals last season :oldlol: :oldlol:

The Spurs made locking the Heat up look easy as hell while all of these other, "better" defenses couldn't do shit :oldlol:

[r15mohd]

How many 60+ win teams have each of these guys beat? To be 50+ is a good team. 60+ is a certifiable GREAT team. Anyone care to do the numbers for this comparison?


I think Lebron only has 1, against the 2011 Bulls

[r15mohd]

I'm surprised they haven't figured this one out yet.

We all saw the finals last season :oldlol: :oldlol:

The Spurs made locking the Heat up look easy as hell while all of these other, "better" defenses couldn't do shit :oldlol:


as much as it was the Spurs, the Heat (particularly Wade) held themselves back too...he was non-existent due to decline/injury/(insert excuse :rolleyes: )

[dubeta]

Can someone please explain to me why Kobe and 2008- Duncan is included in this debate

Like seriously, let's also include Norris cole and patty mills in this debate then :hammerhead:

[SouBeachTalents]

How many 60+ win teams have each of these guys beat? To be 50+ is a good team. 60+ is a certifiable GREAT team. Anyone care to do the numbers for this comparison?

Duncan- 2003 Mavs, 2007 Suns, 2005 Suns
Kobe- 2002 Kings, 1998 Sonics
LeBron- 2011 Bulls

[KobesFinger]

How many 60+ win teams have each of these guys beat? To be 50+ is a good team. 60+ is a certifiable GREAT team. Anyone care to do the numbers for this comparison?

Kobe - 0
LeBron - 1 (2011 Bulls)
Duncan - 3 (2003 Mavs, 2005 Suns, 2007 Suns)

[r15mohd]

Duncan- 2003 Mavs, 2007 Suns, 2005 Suns
Kobe- 2002 Kings, 1998 Sonics
LeBron- 2011 Bulls


Shaq led years

[SamuraiSWISH]

Duncan- 2003 Mavs, 2007 Suns, 2005 Suns
Kobe- 2002 Kings, 1998 Sonics
LeBron- 2011 Bulls
Nice, thanks.

That '98 Sonics club doesn't count for Kobe in this comparison. And even the 2002 one is somewhat questionable considering he wasn't the definitive best player / leader of the Laker clubs.

Care to add Jordan to the list?

'98 Jazz
'97 Jazz
'97 Heat
'96 Sonics
'96 Magic
'93 Suns
'93 Knicks

:pimp:

[tpols]

Umm, Kobe had significant help advantage in this comparison playing with a fellow top ten all-timer from 1997 - 2004. Or does context not count in this absurd comparison?

Lebron has had his own cast of 3+ HOFers with the Heat.. facing and beating teams like the 60+ win chicago bulls with a prime wade and bosh?? He had just as much help in some of his wins.

Also Duncan has had prime manu, and prime parker for a bunch of his runs and his team has been squashing 50 win teams like theyre nothing the past few years with him not even being a star level player anymore.


Makes no sense to discredit a series win against a 58 win team where kobe goes for 33/7/7 because 'he played with shaq' and then turn around and act like a bunch of Duncan's 18/10 series wins count because he didnt have a top 10 GOAT on his team.. manu/diaw/parker/leanoard/splitter/popovich > Shaq.

[russwest0]

as much as it was the Spurs, the Heat (particularly Wade) held themselves back too...he was non-existent due to decline/injury/(insert excuse :rolleyes: )

Yeah lol it was just beyond clear that either OKC or SA was going to demolish whoever came out of the East last season (Miami).

Those teams had such a tougher road to the Finals, the Finals was basically a step down in competition from the WCF while the Heat were taking a massive step up

[SouBeachTalents]

For shits & gigs, here are other perennial MVP candidates from the same time span

Wade- 2006 Mavs, 2006 Pistons
Dirk- 2006 Spurs
Howard- 2009 Celtics, 2009 Cavs

[r15mohd]

Yeah lol it was just beyond clear that either OKC or SA was going to demolish whoever came out of the East last season (Miami).

Those teams had such a tougher road to the Finals, the Finals was basically a step down in competition from the WCF while the Heat were taking a massive step up


SAS weren't being beat by anyone...the Mavs gave them their initial run for the money, and that was that.

OKC vs Miami was a tell all between Lebron and KD. I have no reason to believe it being a toss-up between these two teams and eithe rof them coming out on top. Miami wasn't going to be outplayed by OKC as they were by SAS. SAS was an extreme powerhouse that year, you can definitely list them under the 72-10 Bulls squad in sheer dominance.

[russwest0]

SAS weren't being beat by anyone...the Mavs gave them their initial run for the money, and that was that.

OKC vs Miami was a tell all between Lebron and KD. I have no reason to believe it being a toss-up between these two teams and eithe rof them coming out on top. Miami wasn't going to be outplayed by OKC as they were by SAS. SAS was an extreme powerhouse that year, you can definitely list them under the 72-10 Bulls squad in sheer dominance.

lol, you can even disregard OKC's supporting cast being better in this meetup, Westbrook and Durant shredding MIA like they did 2 years ago would be all that would be needed for OKC to win. No more Mike Miller going apeshit, no more Battier and Wade guarding Durant.... Instead of averaging 32 PPG he'd get 40 PPG if MIA tried that lol. Also the ref bias for Miami this year was way down from what it was in 2012.

[r15mohd]

lol, you can even disregard OKC's supporting cast being better in this meetup, Westbrook and Durant shredding MIA like they did 2 years ago would be all that would be needed for OKC to win. No more Mike Miller going apeshit, no more Battier and Wade guarding Durant.... Instead of averaging 32 PPG he'd get 40 PPG if MIA tried that lol. Also the ref bias for Miami this year was way down from what it was in 2012.


whatever helps you sleep at night :sleeping :sleeping :sleeping

However, to date, Lebron and the Heat own OKC. we'll base it off factual games rather than tossing probabilites...in which case, Miami is and has been the better team than OKC.

[knicksman]

So kobe with shaq isnt included but bran with bosh/wade is.

[TheMarkMadsen]

So kobe with shaq isnt included but bran with bosh/wade is.

This has been Lebron stans argument for years

"take away half of Kobe's career and Lebron is probably better"

[dubeta]

This has been Lebron stans argument for years

"take away half of Kobe's career and Lebron is probably better"

Kobe's career only began in 2004




Unless you're willing to admit that Kobe was a role player for half his career

[moe94]

This has been Lebron stans argument for years

"take away half of Kobe's career and Lebron is probably better"

LeBron's first 10 > Kobe's :confusedshrug:

[JT123]

So kobe with shaq isnt included but bran with bosh/wade is.
Bron was Bosh and Wade's leader, while Kobe was Shaq's follower. Kobe was a sidekick for 60 percent of his rings, and no one will ever forget that.

[knicksman]

Bron was Bosh and Wade's leader, while Kobe was Shaq's follower. Kobe was a sidekick for 60 percent of his rings, and no one will ever forget that.

too bad only low IQs think Shaq>>Wade + Bosh :oldlol:

[JT123]

too bad only low IQs think Shaq>>Wade + Bosh :oldlol:
If by low IQ's you mean people with half a brain. :oldlol:
Bosh = rich man's Lamar Odom
Wade = misses at least 25 games a year due to injuries
prime Shaq = most dominant basketball player ever

Gee, I wonder who got carried? :yaohappy:

[knicksman]

If by low IQ's you mean people with half a brain. :oldlol:
Bosh = rich man's Lamar Odom
Wade = misses at least 25 games a year due to injuries
prime Shaq = most dominant basketball player ever

Gee, I wonder who got carried? :yaohappy:

Ohhh reeeallly??:oldlol:

[dubeta]

too bad only low IQs think Shaq>>Wade + Bosh :oldlol:

Dude Shaq averaged more than Wade and Bosh combined in the playoffs

Shaq 30+ a game

Wade 15

Bosh 12

Shaq >> Wade and Bosh


PLUS Shaq did it on much better efficiency, and commanded double teams

[JT123]

Dude Shaq averaged more than Wade and Bosh combined in the playoffs

Shaq 30+ a game

Wade 15

Bosh 12

Shaq >> Wade and Bosh


PLUS Shaq did it on much better efficiency, and commanded double teams
Excellent point. Don't think I have ever seen Bosh get doubled in a playoff game. As for Wade, coaches have lost so much respect for him they are now using Centers like Splitter to guard him. :roll:

[sportjames23]

Nice, thanks.

That '98 Sonics club doesn't count for Kobe in this comparison. And even the 2002 one is somewhat questionable considering he wasn't the definitive best player / leader of the Laker clubs.

Care to add Jordan to the list?

'98 Jazz
'97 Jazz
'97 Heat
'96 Sonics
'96 Magic
'93 Suns
'93 Knicks

:pimp:


How great is our GOAT? :bowdown:

[knicksman]

Dude Shaq averaged more than Wade and Bosh combined in the playoffs

Shaq 30+ a game

Wade 15

Bosh 12

Shaq >> Wade and Bosh


PLUS Shaq did it on much better efficiency, and commanded double teams

only idiots cant see lebron making his teammates worse:lol