I don't understand why people stereotype all Islamic believers sometimes

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Every religion has it's bad people and radicals. Please don't generalize.

PS I am not Muslim/Islamic.

[NumberSix]

Only one religion has a particular issue with motivating terrorism.

[BigBoss]

I don't think people do to be honest besides the uneducated and conservative/older people.

You can't use America and the West as a global representation of how Islam is viewed in the world. The post 9/11 effect and the media narrative attached stigmas to Islam that are largely negative, but that's a VERY Western/American thing.

[navy]

Only idiots do that. Islam has it's fair share of problems, as does any religion but recently way, way more than other religions, but nobody thinks all the believers are out trying to kill people.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

I don't think people do to be honest besides the uneducated and conservative/older people.

You can't use America and the West as a global representation of how Islam is viewed in the world. The post 9/11 effect and the media narrative attached stigmas to Islam that are largely negative, but that's a VERY Western/American thing.

Being a New Yorker, I have seen ignorant people people. I just feel that people should understand "every religion/race has it's good and bad people"

[BigBoss]

Only one religion has a particular issue with motivating terrorism.


That's the 21st century narrative so far. Once upon a time ago it was Christianity and the church during colonialism.

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

That's the Western world for ya.
Just like a video of a group of black dudes beating up a white guy makes people say, "I hate n!ggers," a video of a possible Muslim cutting off an American's head makes people group all Muslims together and assume they're all violent.
It's just stupidity, and this is coming from someone who has made plenty of stereotypical comments on this forum.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

That's the 21st century narrative so far. Once upon a time ago it was Christianity and the church during colonialism.

Agreed, my religion (which I won't stay) also had a history of radicals for a small time in the 20th century.

[BigBoss]

Being a New Yorker, I have seen ignorant people people. I just feel that people should understand "every religion/race has it's good and bad people"

That's New York, literally ground zero. It's a post 9/11 effect. It'll change in time in 1 or 2 generations of new yorker's children. Look at how the Japanese were treated/perceived after Pearl Harbor to present day.

[Patrick Chewing]

That's the 21st century narrative so far. Once upon a time ago it was Christianity and the church during colonialism.


So what are you saying??

That because Christianity once did it that it's now Islam's turn to shine??


Don't be an apologist or a sympathizer or you're no better than these Muslim filths that kill innocent people.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

That's New York, literally ground zero. It's a post 9/11 effect. It'll change in time in 1 or 2 generations of kids. Look at how the Japanese were treated after Pearl Harbor to present day.

Agreed, if you have ever seen the movie "We Were Soldiers." One of the solders was Japanese and was KIA but people who knew him said he faced some racism as a kid. But he died for our country and I am very thankful to have learned about him. RIP :applause:

[NumberSix]

That's the 21st century narrative so far. Once upon a time ago it was Christianity and the church during colonialism.
Colonialism was motivated by economics, not religion. Christianity had nothing to do with it.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Colonialism was motivated by economics, not religion. Christianity had nothing to do with it.

You are clearly biased. Ever heard of the crusades?

[BigBoss]

So what are you saying??

That because Christianity once did it that it's now Islam's turn to shine??


Don't be an apologist or a sympathizer or you're no better than these Muslim filths that kill innocent people.

That's not what I said at all. You altered my point entirely.

I'm just saying the historians 100 years from now will say there are social, political, economic, and cultural factors in play that made Islam seem like an evil religion at this moment. I mean Islam is over a thousand years old ( i think), and there's been "JIhadist" scripture in the Qu'ran for a long time, so why is it just NOW coming under scrutiny. That same criteria was used when Christianity was under heat. What i'm saying is be fair and objective, and don't ignore history.

Lastly, you're biased and racist, so don't bother replying

[Patrick Chewing]

What about the Israelis killing Palestinians and claiming 900+ acres recently :confusedshrug:?


What about Palestinians killing Israeli's??

And show me a map of Israel prior to 1947.


How old are you??

[NumberSix]

You are clearly biased. Ever heard of the crusades?
What does that have to do with colonialism? Pick a lane dude.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

What does that have to do with colonialism? Pick a lane dude.

Colonialism as defined via google "the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically."

How did the crusades not have to deal with the conflict of involving religions with the political control over empires/nations?

[NumberSix]

That's not what I said at all. You altered my point entirely.

I'm just saying the historians 100 years from now will say there are social, political, economic, and cultural factors in play that made Islam seem like an evil religion at this moment. I mean Islam is over a thousand years old ( i think), and there's been "JIhadist" scripture in the Qu'ran for a long time, so why is it just NOW coming under scrutiny. That same criteria was used when Christianity was under heat.

Lastly, you're biased and racist, so don't bother replying
It's not "just NOW coming under scrutiny". You're just NOW paying attention.

[Patrick Chewing]

You are clearly biased. Ever heard of the crusades?


You're an idiot. Go to bed, kid.


The crusades were started as a result of Muslim incursion into Christian lands. The Muslims were slaughtering everyone in sight until the Pope rallied all the Christian monarchs to do something about it.


On a serious note, you kids that post ignorant shit on the net like you just did need to pick up a ****ing book and read it. History is repeating itself. Look at Britain and a majority of Europe. Flooded with Muslim immigrants who don't give two shits about European culture or values.

[BigBoss]

It's not "just NOW coming under scrutiny". You're just NOW paying attention.

To the point that people are making stereotypes then it is. To the point it's being sensationalized in the media, then it absolutely is. It's a post 9/11 effect. Before that the debate wasn't on this scale where everyone has an opinion. And in a world of sheeps, a lot of people make judgement through stereotyping. K i'm too sleepy to debate this non sense.

My point is, it will blow over in 50-100 years until man figures out how to talk shit and blame humanity's problems on the next thing

[NBAplayoffs2001]

I guess we all have our opinions

[NumberSix]

Colonialism as defined via google "the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically."

How did the crusades not have to deal with the conflict of involving religions with the political control over empires/nations?
Crusades =/= colonialism

One has nothing to do with the other.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Crusades =/= colonialism

One has nothing to do with the other.

Well I think it is interconnected. History is up for interpretation.

[Patrick Chewing]

Explain to me how Israeli's had the right to take over Palestine because of the refuge from Europe. What gives them the right to push the Palestinians to Gaza?


The United Nations decided that, not Israel. :oldlol:


Keep trying. You're obviously just another apologist for Hamas and ISIS and all that's wrong with the world.

[NumberSix]

Well I think it is interconnected. History is up for interpretation.
You think wrong. There is nothing to be interpreted. They're separated by hundreds of years.

[NumberSix]

You would have been a great nazi
You disagree with me, therefore...... RACIST!!!

[bdreason]

Probably because many of the majority Islamic states are currently ravaged by war and corruption.

[BigBoss]

You disagree with me, therefore...... RACIST!!!

He used the words "muslim filth" . That's racist LOL

[Combat Wombat]

You are clearly biased. Ever heard of the crusades?

You clearly have never opened a history book on the Crusades otherwise you wouldn't make such a ridiculous comment.

Do you know why the Crusades occurred?

[NBAplayoffs2001]

The United Nations decided that, not Israel. :oldlol:


Keep trying. You're obviously just another apologist for Hamas and ISIS and all that's wrong with the world.

Sorry if you think I'm a supporter of that but I am not. Peace and love is my motto :rockon:

[NumberSix]

He used the words "muslim filth" . That's racist LOL
What race is muslim? :confusedshrug:

[BigBoss]

To recap this thread

1) OP is a newyorker and it bothers him that people talking with prejudice against Muslims.

2) Two posters attack him for a silly mistake on the crusades, and run with it as if it will discredit him.

3) Said posters make racist comments. They obviously are biased and racist.

4) Zoom17 pops in out of nowhere with a random LOL, not contributing to the debate as usual.


This is ISH in a nutshell. I'm literally talking with stoners and uneducated betas.

OP your heart's in the right place dude :cheers:.

Goodnight kids.

[Boarder Patrol]

To act like the there are just as many "radicals" in Christianity or any other religion as there are in Muslims is flat out wrong. No discussion.

[BigBoss]

To act like the there are just as many "radicals" in Christianity or any other religion as there are in Muslims is flat out wrong. No discussion.


Who said that! :roll:

Man you guys need to think DEEPER, holistically and scientifically. Examine the underlying mechanisms that are fundamental as to why radicalism happens. Hint: it has nothing to do with islam or christianity!

[NumberSix]

To act like the there are just as many "radicals" in Christianity or any other religion as there are in Muslims is flat out wrong. No discussion.
See, what you don't understand is that Christians did blah blah blah in 1236 so islamic terrorism in 2014 is not a big deal.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

See, what you don't understand is that Christians did blah blah blah in 1236 so islamic terrorism in 2014 is not a big deal.

Well history is as important as the present IMO.

[NumberSix]

Who said that! :roll:

Man you guys need to think DEEPER, holistically and scientifically. Examine the underlying mechanisms that are fundamental as to why radicalism happens. Hint: it has nothing to do with islam or christianity!
You're right. Islamic terror is in no way motivated by islam. Of course. :rolleyes:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

You're right. Islamic terror is in no way motivated by islam. Of course. :rolleyes:

It can be due to misconceptions radicals may feel the Quran is trying to express.

[BigBoss]

You're right. Islamic terror is in no way motivated by islam. Of course. :rolleyes:

Go to college. Then talk to me.

[winwin]

OP: 1

haters: 0

[NumberSix]

It can be due to misconceptions radicals may feel the Quran is trying to express.
Or, Islam is exactly what it appears to be. :hammerhead:


I don't know what's wrong with you *******. Islam is an ideology. That's it. A set of beliefs. I don't get why you can't just admit that it's not a good one. Why you all need to dance around the obvious. "Oh no. It's not that their beliefs are stupid. It's just that people are 'misusing' beliefs that are actually pretty sweet"......

Grow up.

[NumberSix]

Go to college. Then talk to me.
You plan on ever answering what race islam is?

If you insist on calling people who criticize islam "racists", I'd just like to know what race we're talking about?

[wakencdukest]

I know a handful of Muslims, most of them black Americans who converted, and they all pretty much have radical viewpoints when it comes to whites and American politics. I've met a few Muslims from, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, and they seemed pretty friendly and laid back, were glad to be here and didn't seem to be interested in talking religion or politics. Now, the stuff I read in the news and see on TV doesn't paint a pretty picture of moderate Muslims around the world. When I see women and children around the world cheering when the Trade Center went down it makes me wonder. When I hear about all the Moderate Muslims in America who donate money every month to "so called" Muslim charities that are just funneling money to Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim brotherhood, etc. it makes me wonder if they are all in on it. When I see Muslim populations in western countries that want to live under Sharia law, I wonder about them. I know they aren't all bad, but I have a hard time not stereotyping them when all I see is the bad side of Islam.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

I know a handful of Muslims, most of them black Americans who converted, and they all pretty much have radical viewpoints when it comes to whites and American politics. I've met a few Muslims from, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, and they seemed pretty friendly and laid back, were glad to be here and didn't seem to be interested in talking religion or politics. Now, the stuff I read in the news and see on TV doesn't paint a pretty picture of moderate Muslims around the world. When I see women and children around the world cheering when the Trade Center went down it makes me wonder. When I hear about all the Moderate Muslims in America who donate money every month to "so called" Muslim charities that are just funneling money to Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim brotherhood, etc. it makes me wonder if they are all in on it. When I see Muslim populations in western countries that want to live under Sharia law, I wonder about them. I know they aren't all bad, but I have a hard time not stereotyping them when all I see is the bad side of Islam.
Very well said, thank you.

[NumberSix]

I know a handful of Muslims, most of them black Americans who converted, and they all pretty much have radical viewpoints when it comes to whites and American politics. I've met a few Muslims from, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, and they seemed pretty friendly and laid back, were glad to be here and didn't seem to be interested in talking religion or politics. Now, the stuff I read in the news and see on TV doesn't paint a pretty picture of moderate Muslims around the world. When I see women and children around the world cheering when the Trade Center went down it makes me wonder. When I hear about all the Moderate Muslims in America who donate money every month to "so called" Muslim charities that are just funneling money to Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim brotherhood, etc. it makes me wonder if they are all in on it. When I see Muslim populations in western countries that want to live under Sharia law, I wonder about them. I know they aren't all bad, but I have a hard time not stereotyping them when all I see is the bad side of Islam.
The problem is most people are idiots. They can't see anything between all-none.

No, they're not "all bad". MOST are normal people like anyone else who have no interest in terror or violence. But, it's also not just a few bad apples.

Islamic terror is a significant problem. It's not "all of them" or even close but it's also not an insignificant amount of them either.

[Patrick Chewing]

Go to college. Then talk to me.


This coming from the guy who thinks Muslims are a race. Clown. :lol

[NBAplayoffs2001]

The problem is most people are idiots. They can't see anything between all-none.

No, they're not "all bad". MOST are normal people like anyone else who have no interest in terror or violence. But, it's also not just a few bad apples.

Islamic terror is a significant problem. It's not "all of them" or even close but it's also not an insignificant amount of them either.
A response that I think is reasonable. Thanks for the insight

[wakencdukest]

The problem is most people are idiots. They can't see anything between all-none.

No, they're not "all bad". MOST are normal people like anyone else who have no interest in terror or violence. But, it's also not just a few bad apples.

Islamic terror is a significant problem. It's not "all of them" or even close but it's also not an insignificant amount of them either.




Obviously I understand that the majority of them aren't radicalized. That's the point I was trying to make, when most everything you see and read is negative it can shape your opinion about something. I was just answering the OPs question.

[Nowitness]

See, what you don't understand is that Christians did blah blah blah in 1236 so islamic terrorism in 2014 is not a big deal.

Norway attacks in 2011...

[Godzuki]

a lot of u mf'ers are dumb as fukk here.

so unaccepting of reality because you're so politically correct where every religion or race has to be equally at fault or bad. just sheer stupidity and sheep think of the current generation.

reality is there are inequities. reality is everyone is very different. reality is races can be very different. reality is religions can be very different today. but some of you live in this extremely politically correct world where you're really dumb mf'ers that are delusional and play by those everyone is equal/even pretenses.

either way most religious extremists today are muslim. its so obvious you're fukking dumb not to accept or believe that at this point. and again a lot of u are really fukkinig dumb :cheers: ....just like many black people in America commit the most crimes and play double standards where stupid ass white/azn/etc/ people who are politically correct to a fault sheep play into their double guilt trip standards.

some of us keep shit real, too bad its so few of u bitches here.

[masonanddixon]

I don't think people do to be honest besides the uneducated and conservative/older people.

You can't use America and the West as a global representation of how Islam is viewed in the world. The post 9/11 effect and the media narrative attached stigmas to Islam that are largely negative, but that's a VERY Western/American thing.

Oh come on man, nobody likes being around Muslims. Let us be honest here.

Even if they keep to themselves, women completely covered to the eyes creeps out anyone. They also refuse to integrate into the societies which for some reason bend over backwards to accommodate them.

Even in my work, they are the only ones who cause trouble and who security has to be called for to get them out. They are confrontational, angry, argumentative people.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Interesting find:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvoaeujNtLM