Is it safe to say that Cleveland's THIRD best player is better than Chicago's FIRST?

[russwest0]

Serious question here. Specifically for all the people who actually believe that Chicago has a chance at beating Cleveland in a potential playoff meet up.

[Encre92]

No it's not.

[Eric Cartman]

Is Kyrie better than Rose?

We will have to wait and see.

[navy]

How about we wait until we get there.....

But yeah, if Rose is garbage Chicago will be a first round exit.

[SouBeachTalents]

It is safe to say OKC's second best player is better than most team's best player

[russwest0]

It is safe to say OKC's second best player is better than most team's best player

Yeah, but not their third best player, which is the case with Cleveland, who has three all star starters and another possible all star in Waiters. Plus it's not even out of the question that Varejao makes the all star team, since guys like Hibbert have made it more than once.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yeah, but not their third best player, which is the case with Cleveland, who has three all star starters and another possible all star in Waiters. Plus it's not even out of the question that Varejao makes the all star team, since guys like Hibbert have made it more than once.

That alone should tell you, along with Kobe making the all-star game last year playing SIX games, how overrated making an all-star game is. All-NBA selections are usually much more indicative of how good a player really is.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yeah, but not their third best player, which is the case with Cleveland, who has three all star starters and another possible all star in Waiters. Plus it's not even out of the question that Varejao makes the all star team, since guys like Hibbert have made it more than once.
Actually based on the way Rose is playing currently, you could definitely say Ibaka is better.

[StephHamann]

Spurs Mavericks or back in the days Detroit had no superstars either, its all about teambasketball.

If the Cavs play like a team and Lebron doesnt transform everybody into 3 point shooters ,they are unstoppable.

[secund2nun]

Noah is Chicago best player and he is better than every Cleveland player except for lebron.... Noah is in the same ball park as love... You could argue a little better or worse.

[russwest0]

Actually based on the way Rose is playing currently, you could definitely say Ibaka is better.

Ibaka ain't better than Rose.

[secund2nun]

Spurs Mavericks or back in the days Detroit had no superstars either, its all about teambasketball.

If the Cavs play like a team and Lebron doesnt transform everybody into 3 point shooters ,they are unstoppable.

Team basketball is the best and Blatt has a team system. On a side note lebron didn't make his teammates into 3 point shooters it was Wades poor shooting game that killed spacing causing Wades defender to stay in the paint and it forced Bosh into staying outside most of the time to make up for it.

[livingby3's]

Thunder with two top tiered players, Heat with their big threes, these five players are all better than the best player the Spurs had, and look who won.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Ibaka ain't better than Rose.
Irving isn't better than Rose :facepalm

[secund2nun]

Ibaka ain't better than Rose.

yes he is. Noah is better than Rose as well.

[J Shuttlesworth]

yes he is. Noah is better than Rose as well.
If we're talking about prime Rose, he's probably on par with KD as 2a and 2b in the league. If we're talking about current rose, which OP clearly is, then Ibaka and half of OKC's role players are > Rose.

[Fudge]

Of course.

Main reason why the Cavs are the favorites and the Bulls aren't.

[secund2nun]

If we're talking about prime Rose, he's probably on par with KD as 2a and 2b in the league. If we're talking about current rose, which OP clearly is, then Ibaka and half of OKC's role players are > Rose.

prime rose was very overrated.. Not even top ten in the NBA . Chicago won that year because they were the best rebounding and defensive team in the NBA, not because the mediocre offense... And rose had nothing to do with the defense and rebounding.

[J Shuttlesworth]

prime rose was very overrated.. Not even top ten in the NBA . Chicago won that year because they were the best rebounding and defensive team in the NBA, not because the mediocre offense... And rose had nothing to do with the defense and rebounding.
I'm not disagreeing, but prime Rose >>>>> Irving

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Tough to say until he plays an NBA game but he's probably still better than than Irving

[SouBeachTalents]

Thunder with two top tiered players, Heat with their big threes, these five players are all better than the best player the Spurs had, and look who won.

You could seriously argue Duncan is still a better player than Bosh is

[russwest0]

You could seriously argue Duncan is still a better player than Bosh is

Tough to say. Duncan hasn't been playing in an offense where he's asked to do nothing other than spot up for long 2's and 3's

[ballinhun8]

LeBron and Noah are the two best players the last two years out of both rosters.

[Inferno]

No excuses for OKC

[rlsmooth775]

Tough to say. Duncan hasn't been playing in an offense where he's asked to do nothing other than spot up for long 2's and 3's

Did they also tell bosh not to rebound and block shots. Bosh even admitted he won't post up anymore

[ralph_i_el]

Noah is as valuable as Love imo. Way more impact than Irving.

[BuffaloBill]

Yes it's safe to say Lebron is better than Joakim Noah

[Frozen1]

No, pau is way better than kyrie.

[NumberSix]

Who's Chicago's best player?

[JT123]

No, pau is way better than kyrie.
I would put Pau above Love as well. As Michael Jordan would say, 2 rings beats 0 rings every time.

[ballinhun8]

I would put Pau above Love as well. As Michael Jordan would say, 2 rings beats 0 rings every time.



The butthurt is strong in this one.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

I would put Pau above Love as well. As Michael Jordan would say, 2 rings beats 0 rings every time.

So Bosh > Barkley?

[WindmiLL]

OP as a Durant stan(Westbrook,Ibaka, Harden at some point) talking in multiple threads about Lebron having ''to much help'' or his teams being ''too stacked''.

[Eric Cartman]

So Bosh > Barkley?

People fail to remember that Pau was a DOMINANT second option in that 3 year Laker's finals runs (except when he got punked by KG in '08).

Pau's rings hold alot more weight than for example, Wade's 2 sidekick rings, especially considering the tough teams that the Lakers had to go through (Nuggets, Suns, Spurs, Magic, Celtics etc.) way more impressive than the Pacers and the broken down Bulls.

Yes Pau didn't win a game in the playoffs before teaming up with Kobe, but he led his team in a tough Western Conference to the 4th seed I believe (with a very average supporting cast). Love hasn't even been close to achieving that even with talented players in Minny.

Also, Love hasn't performed great like Pau in the postseason, actually he even hasn't really been there. For Love now, the will be the second broderline 3rd option, so with a variation in playing style he will assume a Bosh-esque type of role for this Cavaliers team.

[SpanishACB]

if you're basing this on the FIBA's tournament performance, then why do we assume Rose is Bull's best player?

If you speak about NBA, compare it to Rose's last season in the NBA... which was not only better than Cleveland's third player, but all Cleveland players.

[russwest0]

if you're basing this on the FIBA's tournament performance, then why do we assume Rose is Bull's best player?

If you speak about NBA, compare it to Rose's last season in the NBA... which was not only better than Cleveland's third player, but all Cleveland players.

Not true at all. Rose was pretty bad last season.

[SpanishACB]

Not true at all. Rose was pretty bad last season.

*healthy season, then

[nathanjizzle]

yes he is. Noah is better than Rose as well.

ive said this before, you have a bias for bigger players, because the simp theology of yours is that a big player is more impactful than a smaller player. youre ignorant.

[j3lademaster]

ive said this before, you have a bias for bigger players, because the simp theology of yours is that a big player is more impactful than a smaller player. youre ignorant.I have no love for that poster, but there's nothing ignorant in saying bigs are generally more impactful than perimeter players.

[nathanjizzle]

I have no love for that poster, but there's nothing ignorant in saying bigs are generally more impactful than perimeter players.

get your ball iq up. bigs cant even shoot mid range and have no speed. They are only dominant in a few aspects of basketball and the worst at others. the fact that they are dominant in the post and grab boards doesnt make them generally more impactful than a perimeter player.

[SpanishACB]

get your ball iq up. bigs cant even shoot mid range and have no speed. They are only dominant in a few aspects of basketball and the worst at others. the fact that they are dominant in the post and grab boards doesnt make them generally more impactful than a perimeter player.

Because the NBA changed the rules to favor this.

If you notice international competition, bigs dominate all stats.

[Hey Yo]

Thunder with two top tiered players, Heat with their big threes, these five players are all better than the best player the Spurs had, and look who won.
Depends on who you say the Spurs best player was.

Parker was better than Wade the last 2 postseasons and has been better than Kyrie since his rookie year.

[Boarder Patrol]

OKC's 3rd best player is better than Cleveland's. OP is wrong again.

[poido123]

How about we wait until we get there.....

But yeah, if Rose is garbage Chicago will be a first round exit.


I guess you haven't been paying attention the last 5 years or looked at our offseason additions.

Stop pretending to be objective, you clearly have an agenda against the Bulls, everyone can see it. :rolleyes:

[navy]

I guess you haven't been paying attention the last 5 years or looked at our offseason additions.

Stop pretending to be objective, you clearly have an agenda against the Bulls, everyone can see it. :rolleyes:
What are you taking about?I never said I was objective all the time, ironically I was being objective here too.



Second round exit.

Happy now?

[poido123]

What are you taking about?I never said, I was objective all the time, ironically I was being objective here too.



Second round exit.

Happy now?


That's a bit more accurate yes.

But you did say, if he's struggling which suggests that he will be playing and if he's playing, this team can go further than second round.