Lebrons head to head vs Boris Diaw

[20Four]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1675803-how-boris-diaw-shut-down-lebron-james-in-game-5-of-nba-finals

Lebron cant handle diaw.....LMAO

[russwest0]

It is rather remarkable how little opposing fans are scared of LeBron in the Finals, relative to all of the other great players that he thinks he is ahead of on all the all time lists :oldlol:

If you are a basketball fan, you'd shit your pants knowing that your team was facing off against MJ, Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, Wade, etc. in the finals if those guys were in their prime.

But in LeBrons prime he has gotten outplayed by roleplayers in the finals what, 2 to 3 times now? Not to mention the moments where guys like Boris fukking Diaw literally lock him up, or where he has b2b turnovers and misses two threes but gets bailed out by Ray Allen :roll:

[Beastmode88]

Only player in NBA history to achieve the most improved player award and a championship. Boris "the Bran Slayer" Diaw. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[WindmiLL]

It is rather remarkable how little opposing fans are scared of LeBron in the Finals, relative to all of the other great players that he thinks he is ahead of on all the all time lists :oldlol:

If you are a basketball fan, you'd shit your pants knowing that your team was facing off against MJ, Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, Wade, etc. in the finals if those guys were in their prime.

But in LeBrons prime he has gotten outplayed by roleplayers in the finals what, 2 to 3 times now? Not to mention the moments where guys like Boris fukking Diaw literally lock him up, or where he has b2b turnovers and misses two threes but gets bailed out by Ray Allen :roll:


http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0511/nba_g_durant12_288x162.jpg

[3ball]

It is rather remarkable how little opposing fans are scared of LeBron in the Finals, relative to all of the other great players that he thinks he is ahead of on all the all time lists :oldlol:

If you are a basketball fan, you'd shit your pants knowing that your team was facing off against MJ, Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, Wade, etc. in the finals if those guys were in their prime.

But in LeBrons prime he has gotten outplayed by roleplayers in the finals what, 2 to 3 times now? Not to mention the moments where guys like Boris fukking Diaw literally lock him up, or where he has b2b turnovers and misses two threes but gets bailed out by Ray Allen :roll:
This is post is very true.

And with Lebron getting outplayed by role players, successfully guarded by Diaw, and completely shut down by teams that aren't that athletic (Spurs, Dallas), it's laughable to think that he could do better in other eras, especially given the tougher playing environments of other eras.
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[red1]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0511/nba_g_durant12_288x162.jpg
:lebronamazed:

[Frozen1]

Lebron is the biggest choker in pro sports history.

[pauk]

I like how he uses ~3 pictures of Diaw-Lebron to "prove his case". :oldlol:

Pic 1. Diaw standing infront of Lebron, with lots of space for Lebron to shoot.
Pic 2. Lebron moves in, while Diaw is still on the same spot
Pic 3. Lebron is way gone, Diaw still on the same spot, but gets help / double teamed, Lebron passes to the wideopen guy ("forcing the ball out of Lebrons hands.")

conclusion = Diaw did that, Diaw shut him down.

Pic 1. Diaw standing infront of Lebron, with lots of space for Lebron to shoot.
Pic 2. Lebron breaks his ankles/blows by, Diaw still on the same spot.
Pic 3. Lebron is near the rim, Diaw moved an inch behind Lebron, but again gets help by way of trap / zone defense inside sending at least 2 guys to contest him.

conclusion = Diaw did that, Diaw shut him down.


If anything, it was Spurs team defense, but in reality not even that helped them against Lebron, he did his thing anytime..... that wasnt the problem, the problem was how the Heat defended the Spurs....


Ah, gotta love bleacherreport....

[ballinhun8]

I like how he uses ~3 pictures of Diaw-Lebron to "prove his case". :oldlol:

Pic 1. Diaw standing infront of Lebron, with lots of space for Lebron to shoot.
Pic 2. Lebron moves in, while Diaw is still on the same spot
Pic 3. Lebron is way gone, Diaw still on the same spot, but gets help / double teamed, Lebron passes to the wideopen guy ("forcing the ball out of Lebrons hands.")

conclusion = Diaw did that, Diaw shut him down.

Pic 1. Diaw standing infront of Lebron, with lots of space for Lebron to shoot.
Pic 2. Lebron breaks his ankles/blows by, Diaw still on the same spot.
Pic 3. Lebron is near the rim, Diaw moved an inch behind Lebron, but again gets help by way of trap / zone defense inside sending at least 2 guys to contest him.

conclusion = Diaw did that, Diaw shut him down.


If anything, it was Spurs team defense, but in reality not even that helped them against Lebron, he did his thing anytime..... that wasnt the problem, the problem was how the Heat defended the Spurs....


Ah, gotta love bleacherreport....

I believe that was the spurs plan. Let LeBron get his and make sure no one else beats you. Dont let him kick it out to open shooters.

[DonDadda59]

The Bron Stopper :bowdown:

[sportjames23]

This is post is very true.

And with Lebron getting outplayed by role players, successfully guarded by Diaw, and completely shut down teams that aren't that athletic (Spurs, Dallas), it's laughable to think that he could do better in other eras, especially given the tougher playing environments of other eras.


Exactly.

[20Four]

Yo yo where are all the Lebron nut huggers from the "Lebron vs kobe" thread? They are avoiding this thread like a mofvcka :roll: :roll:

[Mr Exlax]

From the games I saw, Diaw was hardly ever LeBron's primary defender. Then when he was, there was tons of help ready. I can't say he shut LeBron down, but he made him work. That's all you can really ask for. It's funny how these so called basketball enthusiasts make every win or loss about 1 person.

[Megabox!]

Lebron torched Diaw in the 2014 finals....

[20Four]

Lebron torched Diaw in the 2014 finals....
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: dumbass

[Jameerthefear]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: dumbass
Shut it punk.

[Megabox!]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: dumbass
You either didn't watch the 2014 finals or you are a supreme retard, it's most likely the latter

[Inferno]

It is rather remarkable how little opposing fans are scared of LeBron in the Finals, relative to all of the other great players that he thinks he is ahead of on all the all time lists :oldlol:

If you are a basketball fan, you'd shit your pants knowing that your team was facing off against MJ, Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, Wade, etc. in the finals if those guys were in their prime.

But in LeBrons prime he has gotten outplayed by roleplayers in the finals what, 2 to 3 times now? Not to mention the moments where guys like Boris fukking Diaw literally lock him up, or where he has b2b turnovers and misses two threes but gets bailed out by Ray Allen :roll:

Did KD even guard Bron in 2012? Forgot.

[Inferno]

Bron put up 25/11/7 in 2013 Finals on 45% shooting...if his drop in efficiency due to Diaw (and whoever else) is something to laugh at, shouldn't we be laughing at practically every one of Kobe's Finals? :coleman:

[Hoopz2332]

LMAO @ Diaw being to able to guard lebron.These haters reaching for the stars right now:oldlol:



http://i.imgur.com/QlfqwZl.png




http://i.imgur.com/8Sbc39W.png

[pauk]

Bron put up 25/11/7 in 2013 Finals on 45% shooting...if his drop in efficiency due to Diaw (and whoever else) is something to laugh at, shouldn't we be laughing at practically every one of Kobe's Finals? :coleman:


25 PPG in 2013 Finals on 45% shooting, 35% 3PT = Series Won = Didnt get shut down by Diaw

28 PPG in 2014 Finals on 57% shooting, 52% 3PT = Series Loss = Hence got shut down by Diaw

Makes alot of sense.....

[Hoopz2332]

Lots of plays with Diaw/marion getting the business from young lebron

▶ Lebron James 44 pts,11 reb,7 ast,,,,season 2006 cavs vs suns - YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqE-DrcWV6I&hd=1

[3ball]

25 PPG in 2013 Finals on 45% shooting, 35% 3PT = Series Won = Didnt get shut down by Diaw

28 PPG in 2014 Finals on 57% shooting, 52% 3PT = Series Loss = Hence got shut down by Diaw

Makes alot of sense.....
Lebron in 2013 Finals

In the 2013 Finals, Lebron's numbers showed big drop-offs from his regular season numbers... pretty huge drop-offs... He got away by the skin of his teeth here.. Just imagine if he had lost those Finals - would have been 1 for 5 in the Finals because they obviously would have lost again this year too.


Lebron in 2014 Finals

In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts (#1 option) on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would have done more, is wrong - 21 out of the last 24 did more.

The data shows that it's reasonable to ask Lebron to take more shots - because it WAS feasible - and since it was feasible and his team needed it, he should be blamed for not providing it.

The Heat needed it because they had the worst offense of any Spurs opponent - and even though the media ignores this fact, the Heat's offense hurt them as much as their defense.

Various plays can be easier or tougher for a team based on the level of confidence, optimism, energy, adrenaline, etc that they have at the time of the play - said another way, momentum... The Heat's bad offense and inability to answer the Spurs buckets contributed to the Spurs' momentum and the way the games progressed as much as bad defense... The Heat's defense had a harder job due to their bad offense that couldn't limit the Spurs momentum.

A more consistent effort throughout the games from Lebron would have made the difference in limiting the Spurs momentum - the only games the Heat had a chance to win were Games 1 and 2, where he was either on pace for, or actually got 35 points on 22 shots exactly - all coming when it mattered.

So people don't really know what they are talking about when they say it wouldn't have mattered if Lebron had shot more (like he did in Games 1 and 2)... They don't realize that 6 or 7 more ppg from Lebron doesn't just add to the Heat's offense, it makes their defense better too.. Dallas, OKC and Portland all had better offenses that could limit Spurs momentum to make it easier on their defense, and consequently, they all did better vs the Spurs than the Heat.

But despite it being both feasible (4th smallest load in 24 years) and necessary (the Heat had the worst offense which hurt them as much as bad defense) for Lebron to take on a larger load, Lebron opted to continue his high efficiency, low-shot-attempt style like a fat cat on Wallstreet, hoarding his FG% and low-risk load like profits during an economic meltdown - but this approach failed to disrupt the Spurs defense or attract sufficient defensive attention to free up his teammates.

So I'll ask again - since when does a guy that didn't pass (turnovers equaled his assists) or play defense (blew his assignment on the Finals MVP) or take on a large load (4th smallest in 24 years) - so he basically just GOT HIS in a blowout loss - get to walk away without any blame?.. only when it makes monetary sense to keep up the MJ comparisons.

[Hey Yo]

^^^

Where does it say that "Diaw shut down James?"

[buddha]

It is rather remarkable how little opposing fans are scared of LeBron in the Finals, relative to all of the other great players that he thinks he is ahead of on all the all time lists :oldlol:

If you are a basketball fan, you'd shit your pants knowing that your team was facing off against MJ, Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, Wade, etc. in the finals if those guys were in their prime.

But in LeBrons prime he has gotten outplayed by roleplayers in the finals what, 2 to 3 times now? Not to mention the moments where guys like Boris fukking Diaw literally lock him up, or where he has b2b turnovers and misses two threes but gets bailed out by Ray Allen :roll:

so true. manufactured superstar.

[3ball]

Lebron in 2013 Finals

In the 2013 Finals, Lebron's numbers showed big drop-offs from his regular season numbers... pretty huge drop-offs... He got away by the skin of his teeth here.. Just imagine if he had lost those Finals - would have been 1 for 5 in the Finals because they obviously would have lost again this year too.


Lebron in 2014 Finals

In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts (#1 option) on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would have done more, is wrong - 21 out of the last 24 did more.

The data shows that it's reasonable to ask Lebron to take more shots - because it WAS feasible - and since it was feasible and his team needed it, he should be blamed for not providing it.

The Heat needed it because they had the worst offense of any Spurs opponent - and even though the media ignores this fact, the Heat's offense hurt them as much as their defense.

Various plays can be easier or tougher for a team based on the level of confidence, optimism, energy, adrenaline, etc that they have at the time of the play - said another way, momentum... The Heat's bad offense and inability to answer the Spurs buckets contributed to the Spurs' momentum and the way the games progressed as much as bad defense... The Heat's defense had a harder job due to their bad offense that couldn't limit the Spurs momentum.

A more consistent effort throughout the games from Lebron would have made the difference in limiting the Spurs momentum - the only games the Heat had a chance to win were Games 1 and 2, where he was either on pace for, or actually got 35 points on 22 shots exactly - all coming when it mattered.

So people don't really know what they are talking about when they say it wouldn't have mattered if Lebron had shot more (like he did in Games 1 and 2)... They don't realize that 6 or 7 more ppg from Lebron doesn't just add to the Heat's offense, it makes their defense better too.. Dallas, OKC and Portland all had better offenses that could limit Spurs momentum to make it easier on their defense, and consequently, they all did better vs the Spurs than the Heat.

But despite it being both feasible (4th smallest load in 24 years) and necessary (the Heat had the worst offense which hurt them as much as bad defense) for Lebron to take on a larger load, Lebron opted to continue his high efficiency, low-shot-attempt style like a fat cat on Wallstreet, hoarding his FG% and low-risk load like profits during an economic meltdown - but this approach failed to disrupt the Spurs defense or attract sufficient defensive attention to free up his teammates.

So I'll ask again - since when does a guy that didn't pass (turnovers equaled his assists) or play defense (blew his assignment on the Finals MVP) or take on a large load (4th smallest in 24 years) - so he basically just GOT HIS in a blowout loss - get to walk away without any blame?.. only when it makes monetary sense to keep up the MJ comparisons.




^^^

Where does it say that "Diaw shut down James?"


The first post above was highlighting how his much lower-than-goat level of aggressiveness against Diaw and the entire Spurs team as a whole contributed to a less-than-all-time performance in both Finals.

[winwin]

I like how he uses ~3 pictures of Diaw-Lebron to "prove his case". :oldlol:

Pic 1. Diaw standing infront of Lebron, with lots of space for Lebron to shoot.
Pic 2. Lebron moves in, while Diaw is still on the same spot
Pic 3. Lebron is way gone, Diaw still on the same spot, but gets help / double teamed, Lebron passes to the wideopen guy ("forcing the ball out of Lebrons hands.")

conclusion = Diaw did that, Diaw shut him down.

Pic 1. Diaw standing infront of Lebron, with lots of space for Lebron to shoot.
Pic 2. Lebron breaks his ankles/blows by, Diaw still on the same spot.
Pic 3. Lebron is near the rim, Diaw moved an inch behind Lebron, but again gets help by way of trap / zone defense inside sending at least 2 guys to contest him.

conclusion = Diaw did that, Diaw shut him down.


If anything, it was Spurs team defense, but in reality not even that helped them against Lebron, he did his thing anytime..... that wasnt the problem, the problem was how the Heat defended the Spurs....


Ah, gotta love bleacherreport....
why didn't he shoot the god-damn ball?

[Hey Yo]

The first post above was highlighting how his much lower-than-goat level of aggressiveness against Diaw and the entire Spurs team as a whole contributed to a less-than-all-time performance in both Finals.
Since you used 1991, how many of those players who have appeared in 3 straight finals lead their team in pts, rebounds, assists and steals in each of those 3 postseasons?



But he should have done more??? :rolleyes:

[knicksman]

It is rather remarkable how little opposing fans are scared of LeBron in the Finals, relative to all of the other great players that he thinks he is ahead of on all the all time lists :oldlol:

If you are a basketball fan, you'd shit your pants knowing that your team was facing off against MJ, Duncan, Kobe, Dirk, Wade, etc. in the finals if those guys were in their prime.

But in LeBrons prime he has gotten outplayed by roleplayers in the finals what, 2 to 3 times now? Not to mention the moments where guys like Boris fukking Diaw literally lock him up, or where he has b2b turnovers and misses two threes but gets bailed out by Ray Allen :roll:

You forgot his losses when he was a topdog. Nobody really is scared of bran. Thats why he has to team up with wade.

[Kvnzhangyay]

You forgot his losses when he was a topdog. Nobody really is scared of bran. Thats why he has to team up with wade.

Uh u are obviously because your scared of him achieving success which is why you have to constantly make posts on how Brans shit so you can feel better, because lets be honest, your more obsessed with Bran than u are with any other player

[LilEddyCurry]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: dumbass
:facepalm but according to you Boris Diaw torched him in the 2013 finals?

[JohnFreeman]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2014/0511/nba_g_durant12_288x162.jpg
:D

[knicksman]

Uh u are obviously because your scared of him achieving success which is why you have to constantly make posts on how Brans shit so you can feel better, because lets be honest, your more obsessed with Bran than u are with any other player

Oh hey there. It seems youre the one obsessed with me:oldlol:

[Mr Exlax]

Oh hey there. It seems youre the one obsessed with me:oldlol:

Nah it's probably that he likes LeBron and he's the only player you ever talk about. Maybe just maybe he noticed you.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

I like how he uses ~3 pictures of Diaw-Lebron to "prove his case". :oldlol:

Pic 1. Diaw standing infront of Lebron, with lots of space for Lebron to shoot.
Pic 2. Lebron moves in, while Diaw is still on the same spot
Pic 3. Lebron is way gone, Diaw still on the same spot, but gets help / double teamed, Lebron passes to the wideopen guy ("forcing the ball out of Lebrons hands.")

conclusion = Diaw did that, Diaw shut him down.

Pic 1. Diaw standing infront of Lebron, with lots of space for Lebron to shoot.
Pic 2. Lebron breaks his ankles/blows by, Diaw still on the same spot.
Pic 3. Lebron is near the rim, Diaw moved an inch behind Lebron, but again gets help by way of trap / zone defense inside sending at least 2 guys to contest him.

conclusion = Diaw did that, Diaw shut him down.


If anything, it was Spurs team defense, but in reality not even that helped them against Lebron, he did his thing anytime..... that wasnt the problem, the problem was how the Heat defended the Spurs....


Ah, gotta love bleacherreport....
The people that say diaw shut down lebron also say lebron's D on rose in the 2011 ECF was a result of team defense.

[PickernRoller]

Diaw the old lion. :lol

[FaceSmack]

For a 280 pound super athlete, that's pretty embarrassing

At least Kobe didn't get stopped on one on one

[Kvnzhangyay]

For a 280 pound super athlete, that's pretty embarrassing

At least Kobe didn't get stopped on one on one

Everyone gets stopped one on one.... mj, kobe, lebron, you name it

Its just as Lebron demonstrates as he probably had at least 30-40 possessions and only got stopped on like 3, the greats don't get stopped far more than they do

[aj1987]

At least Kobe didn't get stopped on one on one
Kobe is arguably the worst Finals performer in the top 10.

http://i.imgur.com/BDt9Les.png
http://i.imgur.com/gSBSSzk.png

[Crimsonrain777]

Lebron in 2013 Finals

In the 2013 Finals, Lebron's numbers showed big drop-offs from his regular season numbers... pretty huge drop-offs... He got away by the skin of his teeth here.. Just imagine if he had lost those Finals - would have been 1 for 5 in the Finals because they obviously would have lost again this year too.


Lebron in 2014 Finals

In 21 out of the 24 years since 1991, the team leader in shot attempts (#1 option) on the Finals-winning team took more than 25.56% of the team's shots - which means that the load Lebron took on in 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would have done more, is wrong - 21 out of the last 24 did more.

The data shows that it's reasonable to ask Lebron to take more shots - because it WAS feasible - and since it was feasible and his team needed it, he should be blamed for not providing it.

The Heat needed it because they had the worst offense of any Spurs opponent - and even though the media ignores this fact, the Heat's offense hurt them as much as their defense.

Various plays can be easier or tougher for a team based on the level of confidence, optimism, energy, adrenaline, etc that they have at the time of the play - said another way, momentum... The Heat's bad offense and inability to answer the Spurs buckets contributed to the Spurs' momentum and the way the games progressed as much as bad defense... The Heat's defense had a harder job due to their bad offense that couldn't limit the Spurs momentum.

A more consistent effort throughout the games from Lebron would have made the difference in limiting the Spurs momentum - the only games the Heat had a chance to win were Games 1 and 2, where he was either on pace for, or actually got 35 points on 22 shots exactly - all coming when it mattered.

So people don't really know what they are talking about when they say it wouldn't have mattered if Lebron had shot more (like he did in Games 1 and 2)... They don't realize that 6 or 7 more ppg from Lebron doesn't just add to the Heat's offense, it makes their defense better too.. Dallas, OKC and Portland all had better offenses that could limit Spurs momentum to make it easier on their defense, and consequently, they all did better vs the Spurs than the Heat.

But despite it being both feasible (4th smallest load in 24 years) and necessary (the Heat had the worst offense which hurt them as much as bad defense) for Lebron to take on a larger load, Lebron opted to continue his high efficiency, low-shot-attempt style like a fat cat on Wallstreet, hoarding his FG% and low-risk load like profits during an economic meltdown - but this approach failed to disrupt the Spurs defense or attract sufficient defensive attention to free up his teammates.

So I'll ask again - since when does a guy that didn't pass (turnovers equaled his assists) or play defense (blew his assignment on the Finals MVP) or take on a large load (4th smallest in 24 years) - so he basically just GOT HIS in a blowout loss - get to walk away without any blame?.. only when it makes monetary sense to keep up the MJ comparisons.

Lebron's mind was already in Cleveland by then. he wasn't planning on doing anything more then the bare minimum or making himself look good. :confusedshrug: