Replace Kobe with MJ on the 1997 - 2004 Lakers

[SamuraiSWISH]

How many championships?

[SouBeachTalents]

6-8

[Smook A.]

MJ > Kobe. MJ and Shaq would easily be the most unstoppable duo ever. A prime Shaq pairing up with the greatest?... Those Lakers would comfortably win 5 or more championships in that time span.

[Mr Exlax]

Safe to say Shaq would win FMVP every time as well.

[Warfan]

Safe to say Shaq would win FMVP every time as well.

MJ was still the best player in the league in 97 & 98, so id bet on him winning FMVP during those years.

[hawke812]

How many championships?

1W-9L Playoffs

[kennethgriffin]

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kobe is the only guy in nba history that could successfuly averagge 30+ as a second option



no other player can do what kobe did without disrupting the offense

if you put jordan on LA and gave him 30+ averages. shaq turns into a 20ppg pippen


and if shaq is given the #1 option role. then jordan gets turned into a 20ppg pippen


only kobe could drop historic numbers and not make the team worse

kobe and shaq perfectly complimented each other due to kobe being an outside catch and shoot/slasher/playmaker/point guard

jordan was a post player. he played shaqs role. how can you have 2 guys who do the exact same thing in the triangle and think itel be successful



sorry

[Cocaine80s]

5 minimum


Lol at Kenneth

[Cali Syndicate]

kobe and shaq perfectly complimented each other due to kobe being an outside catch and shoot/slasher/playmaker/point guard


MJ was better than Kobe in all those aspects of the game except outside shooting right. Wouldn't even matter anyways because MJ was a better off the ball player than Kobe and Would have no problem finding himself easy buckets on midrange or in the paint. Exactly like how he was doing with Pippen.

[JT123]

MJ was still the best player in the league in 97 & 98, so id bet on him winning FMVP during those years.
I don't know about that. By 98 MJ was still more skilled, but Shaq was the more dominant player. Jordan had some pretty poor shooting games in the 98 playoffs, including the Bulls game 7 win over the Pacers in the ECF. If him and Shaq were together at this stage of Jordan's career the smart thing to do would be playing through Shaq.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Assuming championships with the following:

'85 Jordan on 1997 Lakers: Maybe
'86 Jordan on 1998 Lakers: Possible
'87 Jordan on 1999 Lakers: Probable
'88 Jordan on 2000 Lakers: Definite
'89 Jordan on 2001 Lakers: Easily
'90 Jordan on 2002 Lakers: Easily
'91 Jordan on 2003 Lakers: Definite
'92 Jordan on 2004 Lakers: Easily

So, I'd guess a bankable 5 rings, with a potential for 1 or 2 more depending on the circumstances.

[T_L_P]

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kobe is the only guy in nba history that could successfuly averagge 30+ as a second option



no other player can do what kobe did without disrupting the offense

if you put jordan on LA and gave him 30+ averages. shaq turns into a 20ppg pippen


and if shaq is given the #1 option role. then jordan gets turned into a 20ppg pippen


only kobe could drop historic numbers and not make the team worse

kobe and shaq perfectly complimented each other due to kobe being an outside catch and shoot/slasher/playmaker/point guard

jordan was a post player. he played shaqs role. how can you have 2 guys who do the exact same thing in the triangle and think itel be successful



sorry

And yet, Kobe didn't average 30 once on those three-peat teams...and they won 2 with Kobe shooting under .520
TS%. :oldlol:

Prime Jordan would never average 25/6/5/.527 TS% over three consecutive years...with or without Shaq.

[iamgine]

Personality plays a big part. MJ was a big alpha asshole. No doubt he's going to irk Shaq about his...laziness. Shaq was a big immature alpha. If he had trouble with Kobe, imagine how much trouble he'll have with MJ. I'd guess the team implodes within 3 years.

[kennethgriffin]

And yet, Kobe didn't average 30 once on those three-peat teams...and they won 2 with Kobe shooting under .520 TS%. :oldlol:

he averaged 35ppg vs the kings in the 2001 playoffs

he averaged 33ppg vs your spurs in the 2001 playoffs

he averaged 31ppg over the 1st three rounds of the 2001 playoffs



all i said was he COULD average 30ppg without disrupting the team or shaqs stats

you dumb ****. i never said he did for the entire 3 years or even an entire season.



you're just jealous cause your boy tim duncan is used to averaging less than 20ppg... which he is... for his ENTIRE CAREER


without even having 2 years on the bench like kobe to **** with his averages


duncan started his entire career and averages 19 shitty points

:roll:



:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Nowitness]

he averaged 35ppg vs the kings in the 2001 playoffs

he averaged 33ppg vs your spurs in the 2001 playoffs

he averaged 31ppg over the 1st three rounds of the 2001 playoffs



all i said was he COULD average 30ppg without disrupting the team or shaqs stats

you dumb ****. i never said he did for the entire 3 years or even an entire season.



you're just jealous cause your boy tim duncan is used to averaging less than 20ppg... which he is... for his ENTIRE CAREER


without even having 2 years on the bench like kobe to **** with his averages


duncan started his entire career and averages 19 shitty points

:roll:

imagine if duncan was benched behind an allstar his 1st 2 years. his average would drop to 15ppg career

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

what a loser. this kid is really melting down over an nba player? and he's like 30 years old.

kobe in 00 was a role player. mj would have easily won. kobe in 02 played bad defense and was inefficient as ****.

prime mj with shaq 8 peats. you have no evidence that he couldn't work well with shaq. go ahead and post some. :lol

[dubeta]

Honestly, I might be the biggest kobe fan on this board, so sometimes I may be biased due to my affection for him

But realistically speaking, even if you replace kobe for one of us ish'ers, shaq still wins at least 2 out of 3 from 2000-2002

[kennethgriffin]

Honestly, I might be the biggest kobe fan on this board, so sometimes I may be biased due to my affection for him

But realistically speaking, even if you replace kobe for one of us ish'ers, shaq still wins at least 2 out of 3 from 2000-2002

except shaq choked in game 7 of the 2000 wcf and kobe had to save him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bJfE-REq5s

then shaq choked in game 4 of the 2000 nba finals and kobe had to save him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Lp5aQq4zI

then kobe averaged more points than shaq for almost the entire 2001 playoffs


then kobe had to average nearly 30ppg just for the lakers to escape sacramento in the 2002 wcf

[kennethgriffin]

haters don't realize it. but constantly talking about kobe every single day makes his legend only grow among new fans of the game.

keep making me post the same links and stats.

keeps me from having to start a thread that would otherwise get deleted

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Cocaine80s]

I think Kenneth legit believes he's actually Kobe

[SouBeachTalents]

except shaq choked in game 7 of the 2000 wcf and kobe had to save him


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bJfE-REq5s

then shaq choked in game 4 of the 2000 nba finals and kobe had to save him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Lp5aQq4zI

then kobe averaged more points than shaq for almost the entire 2001 playoffs


then kobe had to average nearly 30ppg just for the lakers to escape sacramento in the 2002 wcf



http://lakernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/51549489.jpg

http://dugger1981.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/shaq-retires.jpg

http://tiger.towson.edu/~kgalez1/Images/6a00d8341c630a53ef015393735e21970b-600wi.jpg

[Thorn]

first 8 years of MJ replacing Kobe? so 85-92 MJ?

they probably lose the first 3 and get the next 5, although I don't know how the fatigue of the Lakers will factor in the last two, even that's 91 and 92 Jordan on the 03 and 04 Lakers who's better than 03/04 Kobe. That Lakers team isn't winning with their thin roster if they don't have Shaq playing really well. Also hard to say if LA picks up Malone and Payton in 04 and they'll lose if Malone still gets hurt. That roster was razor thin with Horry gone and Grant/Fox hurt.

but that 01 Lakers team with 89 Jordan in place of Kobe would probably run the table.

[ImKobe]

implying MJ turns 19 in 1997? 3-5 rings, depending on how their personalities mesh.

[Magic 32]

http://lakernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/51549489.jpg

http://dugger1981.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/shaq-retires.jpg

http://tiger.towson.edu/~kgalez1/Images/6a00d8341c630a53ef015393735e21970b-600wi.jpg

http://www.korkedbats.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/post.jpg
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/04/10/0410-dikembe-mutombo-tmz-3.jpg
http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/headlines/2013/04/nba-player-jason-collins-comes-out-as-gay-man.jpg

vs.

http://wagesofwins.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/reggie_miller.jpg
http://blogs-images.forbes.com/jamesmarshallcrotty/files/2012/11/Allen-Iverson1.jpeg
http://www.worldofpctures.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Jason-Kidd-Brooklyn-Nets.jpg

[Nowitness]

http://www.korkedbats.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/post.jpg
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/04/10/0410-dikembe-mutombo-tmz-3.jpg
http://cdn01.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/headlines/2013/04/nba-player-jason-collins-comes-out-as-gay-man.jpg

vs.

http://wagesofwins.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/reggie_miller.jpg
http://blogs-images.forbes.com/jamesmarshallcrotty/files/2012/11/Allen-Iverson1.jpeg
http://www.worldofpctures.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Jason-Kidd-Brooklyn-Nets.jpg


Mutombo was DPOY. :oldlol:

Even still, Reggie and AI had great series against Bean. Shaq humiliated everyone you posted.

[Encre92]

http://tiger.towson.edu/~kgalez1/Images/6a00d8341c630a53ef015393735e21970b-600wi.jpg
LMAO @ Kobe in this photo. Looks so meek and beta.:oldlol: