Interesting Insight to Muslim's in London

[Ass Dan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP6U6Hhy_2M

for the record, the TV show was on Al Gore's Current TV so it isn't exactly right wing hackery.

[kNIOKAS]

Which area is it?

Looked like bits of miscommunication in that video though.

[pauk]

All i see is a xenophobic guy looking around searching for somebody to smack him and he did there at the end for a good reason.

"Interesting Insight to Racist's driving around looking for conflict in London" is more correct.

[brownmamba00]

All i see is a xenophobic guy looking around searching for somebody to smack him and he did there at the end for a good reason.

he almost cried too and proceeded to drive off like a little bitch:oldlol: :oldlol:

[sweggeh]

Just so you are aware, that guy is famous in England for being one of the EDL leaders. He hates muslims but also hates blacks and pretty much everyone who isnt ethnic British.

His group have been involved in so many racist attacks not just to muslims but towards other ethnic minorities. Recently they took the headscarf and clothes off a muslim woman walking in a park and raped her.

This guy cant be taken seriously, most people including white peoples hate his guts. He's a known liar and instigator of social unrest. Hes essentially part of the British KKK.

So lets just have a bit of objectivity here, eh?

[Ass Dan]

Just so you are aware, that guy is famous in England for being one of the EDL leaders. He hates muslims but also hates blacks and pretty much everyone who isnt ethnic British.

His group have been involved in so many racist attacks not just to muslims but towards other ethnic minorities. Recently they took the headscarf and clothes off a muslim woman walking in a park and raped her.

This guy cant be taken seriously, most people including white peoples hate his guts. He's a known liar and instigator of social unrest. Hes essentially part of the British KKK.

So lets just have a bit of objectivity here, eh?

I watched the full program, yes, typical white, right wing group with misguided anger, but I think you are also lacking objectivity as the bolded part I am pretty sure is an urban legend.

[ROCSteady]

Just so you are aware, that guy is famous in England for being one of the EDL leaders. He hates muslims but also hates blacks and pretty much everyone who isnt ethnic British.

His group have been involved in so many racist attacks not just to muslims but towards other ethnic minorities. Recently they took the headscarf and clothes off a muslim woman walking in a park and raped her.

This guy cant be taken seriously, most people including white peoples hate his guts. He's a known liar and instigator of social unrest. Hes essentially part of the British KKK.

So lets just have a bit of objectivity here, eh?

Just did a bit of research on the EDL. Seems the guy in the video, Tommy Robinson, is not just a leader but a co-founder.

Not saying his stance is xenophobic or not viable at all but I'm sure he has wrote enough, done enough, said enough to warrant an angry slap from a human being who may feel misunderstood.

Happens all the time, just different identifiable labels.

Obv, England has an issue with Islamic friction from many fronts these days.

[NumberSix]

Just did a bit of research on the EDL. Seems the guy in the video, Tommy Robinson, is not just a leader but a co-founder.

Not saying his stance is xenophobic or not viable at all but I'm sure he has wrote enough, done enough, said enough to warrant an angry slap from a human being who may feel misunderstood.

Happens all the time, just different identifiable labels.

Obv, England has an issue with Islamic friction from many fronts these days.
So Muslims aren't responsible for their own actions. Anytime they do violence, it's only because the big bad white man forced them to. Got it.

This guy isn't even in the edl anymore. I don't know why you speak on subjects that you're clueless about.

[Patrick Chewing]

http://youngcons.com/sharia-police-are-now-patrolling-the-streets-where-they-are-might-just-surprise-you/


http://youngcons.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Sharia-Police.jpg

[Gr]

All i see is a xenophobic guy looking around searching for somebody to smack him and he did there at the end for a good reason.

"Interesting Insight to Racist's driving around looking for conflict in London" is more correct.

There was no good reason to physically attack the man.

[Gr]

All i see is a xenophobic guy looking around searching for somebody to smack him and he did there at the end for a good reason.

"Interesting Insight to Racist's driving around looking for conflict in London" is more correct.

Please explain to me why it was right to physically attack the guy.

[sweggeh]

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[Nowitness]

Tommy Robinson and his boys have beat down many Muslims in their time, I can tell you that much. What that guy did was similar to black man approaching a known KKK member and slapping him. I find nothing wrong with either situations.

I do have to agree here. The EDL has a Christian foundation, they are trying to keep England a Christian Country. I often walk the streets to see the two opposing each other, both of them looking to defend ideologies that are based on fear and submission.

[IamRAMBO24]

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[Gr]

Tommy Robinson and his boys have beat down many Muslims in their time, I can tell you that much. What that guy did was similar to black man approaching a known KKK member and slapping him. I find nothing wrong with either situations.

I'm asking pauk. Neither of us know the history (ib4google). I'm frankly not into that right now. He seems to be under the impression that attacking people because they SAY something bad about your religion is okay. That's a mental midget mentality.

[IamRAMBO24]

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[sweggeh]

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[Gr]

I live in London and I know all about this guy and his organisation. He has been a prominent figure for the racist EDL organisation. Usually I would not agree with a muslim attacking someone because they disagree with their religion, but this guy is a special case. He is a known racist, liar and him and his organisation have caused untold damage to many ethnic minorities living in Britain who have been attacked, had their lives threatened, etc.

He is hated by the majority of people, including most white people who are not racist and are strongly against him and his gang of white pride criminals. If I saw him I would punch him in the face.

That's not the point.

[pauk]

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[Nowitness]

The main problem with the EDL is that they are viewed as in the exact same way by their 'own people' as the Islamist's are viewed by theirs.

People who like to stereotype all Muslims as extremists are bigoted. I am an Antitheist but I went to a school where at least 700 of the 1200 or so students were Muslim. I never once encountered someone who agreed with Sharia.

Islam is the most threatening religion today, but the problem isn't Islam, it is a belief that what is being done is divine and what God wants. And in the 1930s the Catholic Church should have been viewed in the same way as Islam is today for their ties and endorsement of Mussolini and Franco (and Hitler to some extent). Either all religions go and all of the stay as bad as the other.

The EDL justifies hating one religion by following another; what a joke.

[sweggeh]

The main problem with the EDL is that they are viewed as in the exact same way by their 'own people' as the Islamist's are viewed by theirs.

People who like to stereotype all Muslims as extremists are bigoted. I am an Antitheist but I went to a school where at least 700 of the 1200 or so students were Muslim. I never once encountered someone who agreed with Sharia.

Islam is the most threatening religion today, but the problem isn't Islam, it is a belief that what is being done is divine and what God wants. And in the 1930s the Catholic Church should have been viewed in the same way as Islam is today for their ties and endorsement of Mussolini and Franco (and Hitler to some extent). Either all religions go and all of the stay as bad as the other.

The EDL justifies hating one religion by following another; what a joke.

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[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

My family is Muslim.
I went to a Muslim funeral for someone my mom knew back in 2010. The funeral was at the same cemetery where both my grandmother and grandfather are buried. I began taking pictures of my grandparents' headstones.
A Muslim man, who looked almost identical to the guy who smacked this racist in the video, ran up to me and began saying he'll beat my ass if I take another picture. The only people (other than my mom) to interfere and stop him from physically assaulting me were the Mexican people the deceased's family hired to dig the hole.
Before being pulled away, the guy threatened to murder me. Seeing all the Muslims looking on and not even giving disapproving glances at this man made me feel uncomfortable, so I called the police.
2 white cops came. I told them what happened. The Muslim guy walked over to us and when the cops questioned why he made death threats to me, he said something along the lines of, "He is disrespecting Allah by taking photographs of the dead." I informed the police that I only took pictures of my grandparents' headstones, but other Muslims walked over and a few began yelling at the cops to f*ck off and stop interfering in shit they knew nothing about.
Finally, a Muslim sheikh walked over and calmed everyone down. He then proceeded to inform the police that nothing in the Qu'ran said I couldn't take pictures of the headstones but that I was being disrespectful by doing it anyway, even though I did it at least an hour before the funeral began.
The cops were disgusted and asked me why I bother being Muslim. I told them I'm Atheist. The Muslim sheikh heard me, said something outloud in Arabic/Farsi, and suddenly a group of Muslim males began yelling repeatedly, "Watch what happens when these crackers leave!" and "Watch your back, asshole!"
My mom got scared they might attack us when the police leave, so we got the police to escort us to our car and we left. Later I got a phone call by one of the cops that they arrested the man who made death threats to me because he threw stones at their police car and yelled, "In the name of Allah!" (Srs)
They asked if I would be willing to testify in court about what happened but I backed out. I felt my family's lives would be jeopardized.
To this day, I still wonder what became of that incident.

I share all that to say that my family is full of Muslims. None of them are extremists; however, to this day, I refuse to attend Islamic events just based off fear of being attacked for doing an American thing they don't like.
Watching this video reminded me of that incident. I still get mad at myself for not fighting the guy, but the other Muslims there probably would've murdered my mother and I without hesitation.

[NumberSix]

My family is Muslim.
I went to a Muslim funeral for someone my mom knew back in 2010. The funeral was at the same cemetery where both my grandmother and grandfather are buried. I began taking pictures of my grandparents' headstones.
A Muslim man, who looked almost identical to the guy who smacked this racist in the video, ran up to me and began saying he'll beat my ass if I take another picture. The only people (other than my mom) to interfere and stop him from physically assaulting me were the Mexican people the deceased's family hired to dig the hole.
Before being pulled away, the guy threatened to murder me. Seeing all the Muslims looking on and not even giving disapproving glances at this man made me feel uncomfortable, so I called the police.
2 white cops came. I told them what happened. The Muslim guy walked over to us and when the cops questioned why he made death threats to me, he said something along the lines of, "He is disrespecting Allah by taking photographs of the dead." I informed the police that I only took pictures of my grandparents' headstones, but other Muslims walked over and a few began yelling at the cops to f*ck off and stop interfering in shit they knew nothing about.
Finally, a Muslim sheikh walked over and calmed everyone down. He then proceeded to inform the police that nothing in the Qu'ran said I couldn't take pictures of the headstones but that I was being disrespectful by doing it anyway, even though I did it at least an hour before the funeral began.
The cops were disgusted and asked me why I bother being Muslim. I told them I'm Atheist. The Muslim sheikh heard me, said something outloud in Arabic/Farsi, and suddenly a group of Muslim males began yelling repeatedly, "Watch what happens when these crackers leave!" and "Watch your back, asshole!"
My mom got scared they might attack us when the police leave, so we got the police to escort us to our car and we left. Later I got a phone call by one of the cops that they arrested the man who made death threats to me because he threw stones at their police car and yelled, "In the name of Allah!" (Srs)
They asked if I would be willing to testify in court about what happened but I backed out. I felt my family's lives would be jeopardized.
To this day, I still wonder what became of that incident.

I share all that to say that my family is full of Muslims. None of them are extremists; however, to this day, I refuse to attend Islamic events just based off fear of being attacked for doing an American thing they don't like.
Watching this video reminded me of that incident. I still get mad at myself for not fighting the guy, but the other Muslims there probably would've murdered my mother and I without hesitation.
What makes him a "racist"?


It's unbelievable. Whenever muslims react to any criticism with violence, you cowards excuse and justify it.

He says that muslims react to criticism with violence, which this savage confirms. Then you idiots come in and say he's justified in using violence because people have the nerve to claim muslims react with violence.


Cowards.

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

What makes him a "racist"?
I saw another video of him and he seems to only verbally attack and disapprove of non-whites.

[sweggeh]

What makes him a "racist"?

He judges people because of their race. His crew attack people because of their race. People who look stereotypically muslim, whether they are or not, are always in danger when his crew are out and about in the streets after one of their rallies.

[Gr]

I saw another video of him and he seems to only verbally attack and disapprove of non-whites.

He's probably a bigot from what I hear, but what you just wrote by itself could be a mere correlation because people who believe in Islam tend to not be "white".

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

What makes him a "racist"?


It's unbelievable. Whenever muslims react to any criticism with violence, you cowards excuse and justify it.

He says that muslims react to criticism with violence, which this savage confirms. Then you idiots come in and say he's justified in using violence because people have the nerve to claim muslims react with violence.


Cowards.

Saw your edit.
I hope you're not referring to me because I gave no excuse for the violence of Muslims in my entire post. I don't think all people should be lumped together based off the actions of a few, but I can understand why it happens.

[sweggeh]

What makes him a "racist"?


It's unbelievable. Whenever muslims react to any criticism with violence, you cowards excuse and justify it.

He says that muslims react to criticism with violence, which this savage confirms. Then you idiots come in and say he's justified in using violence because people have the nerve to claim muslims react with violence.


Cowards.

Wow, I didnt know Tommy Robinson posted on ISH.

If you attack people in the streets, both verbally and physically, how can you complain when someone who has taken offence to it smacks you in your mouth? What a *****.

[Nowitness]

What makes him a "racist"?


It's unbelievable. Whenever muslims react to any criticism with violence, you cowards excuse and justify it.

He says that muslims react to criticism with violence, which this savage confirms. Then you idiots come in and say he's justified in using violence because people have the nerve to claim muslims react with violence.


Cowards.

The Muslim has no justification. I agree with you on this 100%. The Muslim faith is the most extreme in this case, examples include the Fatwa issued against Salman Rushdie and the Danish Cartoons.

However, Robinson has no justification for being against Islam than by claiming all Muslims are like the extremists. Which he does, it is so easy to apply this to him and his former Christian organization by saying he is just like Anders Behring Breivik trying to preserve Europe as a Christian Continent.

The people he fights against are wrong, equally as much as he is.

[NumberSix]

The main problem with the EDL is that they are viewed as in the exact same way by their 'own people' as the Islamist's are viewed by theirs.

People who like to stereotype all Muslims as extremists are bigoted. I am an Antitheist but I went to a school where at least 700 of the 1200 or so students were Muslim. I never once encountered someone who agreed with Sharia.

Islam is the most threatening religion today, but the problem isn't Islam, it is a belief that what is being done is divine and what God wants. And in the 1930s the Catholic Church should have been viewed in the same way as Islam is today for their ties and endorsement of Mussolini and Franco (and Hitler to some extent). Either all religions go and all of the stay as bad as the other.

The EDL justifies hating one religion by following another; what a joke.
Many muslims are foreign people who have no respect for the land they come to and the people who bend over backwards to accommodate them.

I somehow have a feeling you wouldn't be so understanding about Christians going to other lands and demanding their "beliefs" be tolerated at the expense of the native culture. No, suddenly that would be a case of the wicked arrogant white man forcing his worldview on people in their own country.

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

Many muslims are foreign people who have no respect for the land they come to and the people who bend over backwards to accommodate them.

I somehow have a feeling you wouldn't be so understanding about Christians going to other lands and demanding their "beliefs" be tolerated at the expense of the native culture. No, suddenly that would be a case of the wicked arrogant white man forcing his worldview on people in their own country.

How do you feel about white Christians coming to North America and basically stealing the Natives' land, almost obliterating all of them based on a Manifest Destiny worldview?

But of course, it's all justifiable because our American govt gave the Natives casino resorts.

[NumberSix]

The Muslim has no justification. I agree with you on this 100%. The Muslim faith is the most extreme in this case, examples include the Fatwa issued against Salman Rushdie and the Danish Cartoons.

However, Robinson has no justification for being against Islam than by claiming all Muslims are like the extremists. Which he does, it is so easy to apply this to him and his former Christian organization by saying he is just like Anders Behring Breivik trying to preserve Europe as a Christian Continent.

The people he fights against are wrong, equally as much as he is.
This is where your opinion is not respectable. No insane person thinks native culture and foreign culture is "equal".

I would never dream of going to some other country and demand that things have to be done my way. Europe is a historically Christian continent. There's nothing wrong with people wanting to preserve their own culture in their own homeland. If you don't like the culture of the UK you simply don't have to go there. If you like Islamic culture, move to Saudi Arabia. It's perfect for you. We don't need every country to be the same. Isn't it better that there are countries that cater to different lifestyles? I don't want to live like a Saudi Arabian, so I don't move to Saudi Arabia.

[Nowitness]

Many muslims are foreign people who have no respect for the land they come to and the people who bend over backwards to accommodate them.

I somehow have a feeling you wouldn't be so understanding about Christians going to other lands and demanding their "beliefs" be tolerated at the expense of the native culture. No, suddenly that would be a case of the wicked arrogant white man forcing his worldview on people in their own country.

I would laugh my ass off if it happens again (cause we all know that historically their hasn't been a more colonial and self important religion than Christianity). Again, I am not for Sharia in any way. I am not for Muslims coming over the other countries and demanding their own laws and rights outside of the basic human ones. If a Muslim wants to pray he should be allowed, that is the limit for me. Same with Christianity.

As I said I went to a City Academy (known for being less white than other institutions). I never encountered extreme Muslims, they all did the same as everyone else except they got to pray during some lesson times (which I didn't like). They did not ask for a separate dining room for their own meat, they did not ask that women be separated and covered up, they didn't even care that it was considered a Christian school.

Any kind of demand based on faith is a stupid demand, whether you're Christian/Catholic/Pagan/Muslim/Hindu/Buddhist makes no difference to me. Unlike the EDL I don't justify hating one religion by following another, they are all as bad, some just happen to be worse than others at different times (as I pointed out with the Catholic Church being the worst 80 years ago).

[NumberSix]

How do you feel about white Christians coming to North America and basically stealing the Natives' land, almost obliterating all of them based on a Manifest Destiny worldview?
It's terrible. What else is there to say? It's something we should never want to see happen again.

[Nowitness]

This is where your opinion is not respectable. No insane person thinks native culture and foreign culture is "equal".

I would never dream of going to some other country and demand that things have to be done my way. Europe is a historically Christian continent. There's nothing wrong with people wanting to preserve their own culture in their own homeland. If you don't like the culture of the UK you simply don't have to go there. If you like Islamic culture, move to Saudi Arabia. It's perfect for you. We don't need every country to be the same. Isn't it better that there are countries that cater to different lifestyles? I don't want to live like a Saudi Arabian, so I don't move to Saudi Arabia.

Not when it is faith based. There is no way to justify a Country falling under a religion. At least in the US it is a secular state with a godless constitution, despite there being favoritism of religion. The founders were at worst deists, not theists. The world can adopt that philosophy, I am simply saying favoring Christianity over Islam is stupid. Favor reason and science over both or don't complain when one group who believe what they are doing is God sent take over another preaching the same thing.

[Patrick Chewing]

How do you feel about white Christians coming to North America and basically stealing the Natives' land, almost obliterating all of them based on a Manifest Destiny worldview?

But of course, it's all justifiable because our American govt gave the Natives casino resorts.


What does this have to do with the infestation of Muslims in Europe??

[NumberSix]

As I said I went to a City Academy (known for being less white than other institutions). I never encountered extreme Muslims, they all did the same as everyone else except they got to pray during some lesson times (which I didn't like). They did not ask for a separate dining room for their own meat, they did not ask that women be separated and covered up, they didn't even care that it was considered a Christian school.
I've met many Russians. I've never met an actual Russian mobster. I don't stick my head in the sand and pretend that there is no problem of Russian organized crime.

You need to get out of this all or none mentality. Nobody thinks it's "all" muslims that are a problem. There is a problem though.

[sweggeh]

From what I have observed, Islamophobia, as with all phobias, stems from fear of the unknown. There are a lot of people who dont really have much contact with Muslims, all they know is the bad stuff some of them are doing that they hear about on TV. They always talk about Muslims taking over and their country becoming Muslim, blah blah blah. Anyone with a modicum of intellect and political understanding know that will never happen. Its generally the uneducated and segregated parts of society that only know their own who express such views.

I dont blame them either to be honest, because they have no real experience to draw on so naturally they will be more fearful and have a much worse opinion of Muslims. I have actually seen the reverse in some Muslims who fear Jews and think they are all like those people in Israel who hate Muslims and want to obliterate them. Ignorance really is not bliss when it comes to these type of situations. And it really is more prevalent than it would seem. There are guys on ISH alone who still seem to fear black people and hold outdated stereotypes on how they act and behave.

What I find is the more educated a person is the better they can distinguish from the individual from the majority. The educated people see terrorist behaviour and say these terrorists need to be stopped. The uneducated, fearful people say all Muslims are to blame, they are the scum of the Earth, etc.

This Muslim hate thing will blow over eventually, and another group will become Public Enemy No. 1. Im banking on the Asians after Kim Jong Il starts making some power moves. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[Nowitness]

I've met many Russians. I've never met an actual Russian mobster. I don't stick my head in the sand and pretend that there is no problem of Russian organized crime.

You need to get out of this all or none mentality. Nobody thinks it's "all" muslims that are a problem. There is a problem though.

Difference is to gut Russian Crime there is no dominating factor which can be eradicated. With extreme Muslims there is, their faith.

The only point I'm trying to make to you is favoring one religion over another is stupid (which you do, you hold sympathy for Christians). They are all as bad as one another, just because Islam is the biggest threat today, historically it has been peaceful.

You either want them all gone as I do, or you shut up if one group of people claim their evil is God send just as the other religions have done.

[NumberSix]

Not when it is faith based. There is no way to justify a Country falling under a religion. At least in the US it is a secular state with a godless constitution, despite there being favoritism of religion. The founders were at worst deists, not theists. The world can adopt that philosophy, I am simply saying favoring Christianity over Islam is stupid. Favor reason and science over both or don't complain when one group who believe what they are doing is God sent take over another preaching the same thing.
Location is everything.

If Saudi Arabians want to live in an Islamic culture, who are you and I to tell them "no, that is stupid. You are not allowed to live that way"?

If the native people of a country like being a Christian culture, what's the problem with that? There can't be ANY Christian countries in the world?

Here's an idea. Let people chose their own destiny. If there are Christian countries, Muslim countries, secular countries, Hindu countries, etc. everybody wins. You can pick which one you like.

[DwnShft2Xcelr8]

What does this have to do with the infestation of Muslims in Europe??

His quote:

I somehow have a feeling you wouldn't be so understanding about Christians going to other lands and demanding their "beliefs" be tolerated at the expense of the native culture.

Or do I have to explain American history to you?

[NumberSix]

Difference is to gut Russian Crime there is no dominating factor which can be eradicated. With extreme Muslims there is, their faith.

The only point I'm trying to make to you is favoring one religion over another is stupid (which you do, you hold sympathy for Christians). They are all as bad as one another, just because Islam is the biggest threat today, historically it has been peaceful.

You either want them all gone as I do, or you shut up if one group of people claim their evil is God send just as the other religions have done.
Clearly not a history major.

[Patrick Chewing]

Yeah Europeans came to the America's and conquered the land. Does not mean that History must repeat itself in today's day and age.

[Nowitness]

Location is everything.

If Saudi Arabians want to live in an Islamic culture, who are you and I to tell them "no, that is stupid. You are not allowed to live that way"?

If the native people of a country like being a Christian culture, what's the problem with that? There can't be ANY Christian countries in the world?

Here's an idea. Let people chose their own destiny. If there are Christian countries, Muslim countries, secular countries, Hindu countries, etc. everybody wins. You can pick which one you like.

Seeing as you're highlighting my posts and responding to the specific points I will.

Me and you are the people who use reason and agreement to draw conclusions on morality (I don't know what faith and group you are). When you look at Saudi Arabia and their religion and see that they violate many human rights, yet the humans who suffer can't get away because we have people who don't want immigration we need to step in and say it must stop. People who want to live under Sharia can if they please, but there needs to be a choice. There is no choice for most living here, most women if shown the world would leave; they can't. Same with gays, non religious and other groups. So we either sit back and let them live under a 1,000 year old mentality or we can say it is never all right.

Same with Christian countries, sure today it is a fairly peaceful religion (you seem to forget 3 years ago 77 were killed by a Christian extremist fighting against one religion by following another) but who is to say that years from now it wont to commit more atrocities?

[sweggeh]

Location is everything.

If Saudi Arabians want to live in an Islamic culture, who are you and I to tell them "no, that is stupid. You are not allowed to live that way"?

If the native people of a country like being a Christian culture, what's the problem with that? There can't be ANY Christian countries in the world?

Here's an idea. Let people chose their own destiny. If there are Christian countries, Muslim countries, secular countries, Hindu countries, etc. everybody wins. You can pick which one you like.

There is no such thing as a "Christian" country or "Muslim" country. You sound like someone with no knowledge of history. Spain was a Islamic country for almost 1000 years, up until a few hundred years ago. There are a bunch of countries in the Middle East that are by vast majority Christian. There is no clear cut line between what country is what religion. Things are constantly changing. You sound like you watch too much Fox News, it would be better if you read up about what you talk about a bit more.

Personally, in my opinion I think all current religions will be gone within a few hundred years. They are being proven wrong more and more everyday, and in the future people will be believing in something else entirely.

[Nowitness]

Clearly not a history major.

Sorry I meant to say in the period around WWII when Catholicism was more dangerous. Then again, you'd never concede this point as it would destroy your argument. Every religion has their time to do more evil than the other, end all of them or shut up.

[sweggeh]

Seeing as you're highlighting my posts and responding to the specific points I will.

Me and you are the people who use reason and agreement to draw conclusions on morality (I don't know what faith and group you are). When you look at Saudi Arabia and their religion and see that they violate many human rights, yet the humans who suffer can't get away because we have people who don't want immigration we need to step in and say it must stop. People who want to live under Sharia can if they please, but there needs to be a choice. There is no choice for most living here, most women if shown the world would leave; they can't. Same with gays, non religious and other groups. So we either sit back and let them live under a 1,000 year old mentality or we can say it is never all right.

Same with Christian countries, sure today it is a fairly peaceful religion (you seem to forget 3 years ago 77 were killed by a Christian extremist fighting against one religion by following another) but who is to say that years from now it wont to commit more atrocities?

You cant argue against someone with a deeply ingrained bias.

[Nowitness]

There is no such thing as a "Christian" country or "Muslim" country. You sound like someone with no knowledge of history. Spain was a Islamic country for almost 1000 years, up until a few hundred years ago. There are a bunch of countries in the Middle East that are by vast majority Christian. There is no clear cut line between what country is what religion. Things are constantly changing. You sound like you watch too much Fox News, it would be better if you read up about what you talk about a bit more.

Personally, in my opinion I think all current religions will be gone within a few hundred years. They are being proven wrong more and more everyday, and in the future people will be believing in something else entirely.

:applause:

[pauk]

What does this have to do with the infestation of Muslims in Europe??

You are confusing middle-eastern's/asians with muslims.... only the current middle-eastern/asian population is something new to Europe (many who arent even muslim, who cares about those others right?)... but European Natives White Muslims (Slavic, Albanian, Greek, Romanian) have existed in Europe since like forever, since 100s & 100s & 100s of years (wont even get into Spain)... Albania, Bosnia are two "muslim countries" (westernised, no camels, no burkas or something like that, most aint even religious but anyways) today.... Balkans all in all have European Muslims since forever, its Europeans who converted to Islam by way of Turks.... same way Christianity came to Europe, where did you think that came from? North pole?

[ace23]

There is no such thing as a "Christian" country or "Muslim" country. You sound like someone with no knowledge of history. Spain was a Islamic country for almost 1000 years, up until a few hundred years ago. There are a bunch of countries in the Middle East that are by vast majority Christian.
I don't think I've ever seen someone so quickly and precisely contradict himself.

[NumberSix]

Sorry I meant to say in the period around WWII when Catholicism was more dangerous. Then again, you'd never concede this point as it would destroy your argument. Every religion has their time to do more evil than the other, end all of them or shut up.
There is nothing to concede. I'm an atheist. I'm not into any of these religious ideologies.

If this was a video of a Christian smacking a guy in the face in Turkey, I'd make the same exact argument. It's for Turks to decide if they want to be muslims. If you don't like it, don't go to Turkey. If you insist on being a Christian and the culture around you being Christian, stay in your Christian country or go to another Christian country.

[NumberSix]

Spain was a Islamic country for almost 1000 years, up until a few hundred years ago.
Only in that INVADERS conquered Spain and FORCED Islam on Spain. Eventually, actual Spaniards got strong enough to force them out of Spain and were free to live in their own country with their own culture.

[NumberSix]

I don't think I've ever seen someone so quickly and precisely contradict himself.
He's a troll.

[NumberSix]

You are confusing middle-eastern's/asians with muslims.... only the current middle-eastern/asian population is something new to Europe (many who arent even muslim, who cares about those others right?)... but European Natives White Muslims (Slavic, Albanian, Greek, Romanian) have existed in Europe since like forever, since 100s & 100s & 100s of years (wont even get into Spain)... Albania, Bosnia are two "muslim countries" (westernised, no camels, no burkas or something like that, most aint even religious but anyways) today.... Balkans all in all have European Muslims since forever, its Europeans who converted to Islam by way of Turks.... same way Christianity came to Europe, where did you think that came from? North pole?
Rome..... which last time I checked was in Europe.

[pauk]

Rome..... which last time I checked was in Europe.

Oh, right... Jesus was European.... Christianity comes from Rome.... interesting.... not Jerusalem/Israel/Middle-east or something like that, hah! Can you imagine? Imagine Jesus being jewish? That would be crazy! We praising a Jew!? Hell naw!

[Nowitness]

Rome..... which last time I checked was in Europe.

You mean it's precursor...

[sweggeh]

Rome..... which last time I checked was in Europe.


Christianity emerged in the Levant (now Palestine and Israel) in the mid-1st century AD. Christianity spread initially from Jerusalem throughout the Near East, into places such as Syria, Assyria, Mesopotamia, Phoenicia, Asia Minor, Jordan and Egypt. In the 4th century it was successively adopted as the state religion by Armenia in 301, Georgia in 319, the Aksumite Empire in 325, and the Roman Empire in 380.

Wow, so not only did it not start in Rome, but it didnt show up in Rome until 380 years after it began.... in the middle east.

Were you born retarded or did you have an accident?

[SunsN07BookIt]

After watching what's going on in Britain, I guess the Mexican invasion doesn't look nearly as bad. :lol

[eliteballer]

There is no such thing as a "Christian" country or "Muslim" country. You sound like someone with no knowledge of history. Spain was a Islamic country for almost 1000 years, up until a few hundred years ago. There are a bunch of countries in the Middle East that are by vast majority Christian. There is no clear cut line between what country is what religion. Things are constantly changing. You sound like you watch too much Fox News, it would be better if you read up about what you talk about a bit more.

Personally, in my opinion I think all current religions will be gone within a few hundred years. They are being proven wrong more and more everyday, and in the future people will be believing in something else entirely.

You mean one, Armenia.

[pauk]

NumberSix (or for anybody else), im gona borrow this thread & tell you guys some interesting stuff you might have not known....

Did you know that Islam is based on the words/teachings/cultivation of Jesus aswell? He is as big of a part of Islam as anybody was.... the only difference there is that Christians call him Jesus (when his real name is Yeshua) and believe Jesus was God (in Islam he is a prophet) and love to portray him half naked, bloodied & nailed up on a cross (they dont find that fancy).... if that difference wasnt the case, Islamists would more than fancy any church for their submissions aswell alongside Christians....

Muslim = Is just an arabic word, which means submission, for an Arab you can be for example a Christian muslim (a guy who submits to Christianity)... all religious people from almost any religion are therefore "muslims"....

Allah = Is just an arabic word for GOD, the same guy in white pyjamas & long white beard old guy Christians & Jews believe on.... the one and only...... Its no different god, but even here they dont like to portray/image him (because nobody knows what he/she?it? looks like, logically)... so when any of YOU say "God almighty!" or mean stuff like "Oh God!" or "Great God!", in Arabic, that is translated & means "ALLAH AKBAR" and is infact used by Christian Arabs...................

Interestingly, the word Allah is not only used by Muslims. It is used by people of all religions who speak the Arabic language. Not all Arabs are Muslims. In fact, there are significant minorities of Arabs who are Christian (including Coptic, Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical and many others) and Jewish. Some of these minorities do not consider themselves ethnically Arab, while others do. Regardless of ethnic origin, they are citizens of the Arab countries they live in, and their first (and sometimes only) language is the Arabic language. These minorities refer to God as Allah. In fact, Bibles translated into Arabic refer to God as Allah. Even non-Arabs who have learned to speak Arabic would use the word Allah to refer to God.........

[Nowitness]

Well this is obvious, every Monotheistic religion has plagiarized from each other.

[pauk]

Well this is obvious, every Monotheistic religion has plagiarized from each other.

Well.... yea... These two religions are actually not so extremly different.... including Judaism.... especially not when you consider that all those people come from Abraham and hence we all really are related......

http://2012books.lardbucket.org/books/regional-geography-of-the-world-globalization-people-and-places/section_11/ac922102b3c18c1a153d2c78337a11fe.jpg


We humans are idiots............ :facepalm

[Nowitness]

Well.... yea... These two religions are actually not so extremly different.... including Judaism.... especially not when you consider that all those people come from Abraham and hence we all really are related......

http://2012books.lardbucket.org/books/regional-geography-of-the-world-globalization-people-and-places/section_11/ac922102b3c18c1a153d2c78337a11fe.jpg


We humans are idiots............

This is very true. At least with Monotheism we took a step in the right direction in uncovering the true number of Gods (with Polytheism it is endless, with Monotheism it is 1, hopefully soon we take the finally step in admitting it is 0).

[NumberSix]

Wow, so not only did it not start in Rome, but it didnt show up in Rome until 380 years after it began.... in the middle east.

Were you born retarded or did you have an accident?

Lol. Wikipedia. Christianity didn't even exist in the 1st century.


Little history lesson.....


The first 5 books of the bible (known as the Torah) were written over a 500 year period from around 950BC-450BC. Contrary to popular belief, the oldest known Torah (and Tanakh) is written in Greek, not Hebrew. "Bible" is a Greek word. The bible you read was translated from Greek, not Hebrew or any other middle eastern language. There are earlier pieces written in various languages, but the oldest compiled and edited one is Greek.

The new testament material was ORIGINALLY written in Greek. This isn't to say they were made in Greece. At the time, Greek was the language of all scholarly work. That being said, much of the Bible's original Greek was less than scholarly. Much was written in a kind of common man's Greek. It was later compiled and edited by the Romans in Latin.

As we all know, the Levant was under Roman rule at the time. Christianity, IS a religion of European origin. The new testament was written in Greek, translated to latin and spread by the Romans.

[eliteballer]

Christianity, IS a religion of European origin.



:roll:

[poido123]

Oh, right... Jesus was European.... Christianity comes from Rome.... interesting.... not Jerusalem/Israel/Middle-east or something like that, hah! Can you imagine? Imagine Jesus being jewish? That would be crazy! We praising a Jew!? Hell naw!


There is a distinct difference between what the Quran teaches and the bible.

Let's not pretend that we are all the same people.

Whatever you believe about religion, there's no denying Muslim cultures mistreat their women. If that's what your religion promotes, then I'm sure there's going to be many other issues in that culture.

Number six made a very good point. What are these Muslim cultures doing, living in other countries and demanding that their own traditions must be adhered to? Yet if myself or an american went over to Iraq for example and demanded there be christian churches erected there would surely be no tolerance for that.

In a western culture, nothing wrong with kissing a girl in public, a girl showing skin etc etc but if they were to do that in a Muslim country? They would be punished.

Too many contradictions to count.

[dunksby]

Location is everything.

If Saudi Arabians want to live in an Islamic culture, who are you and I to tell them "no, that is stupid. You are not allowed to live that way"?

If the native people of a country like being a Christian culture, what's the problem with that? There can't be ANY Christian countries in the world?

Here's an idea. Let people chose their own destiny. If there are Christian countries, Muslim countries, secular countries, Hindu countries, etc. everybody wins. You can pick which one you like.
If Saudi Arabia opened its borders and let countless people from different religions emigrate to their state they'd have to also be open to adjust.
Let's be honest, White guilt and low wages led to this mass emigration and failure to assimilate these immigrants has come to hurt the UK.

[poido123]

If Saudi Arabia opened its borders and let countless people from different religions emigrate to their state they'd have to also be open to adjust.
Let's be honest, White guilt and low wages led to this mass emigration and failure to assimilate these immigrants has come to hurt the UK.


Aggressive cultures thrive in countries ruled by weak politicians.

These cultures also know how to use the laws against ourselves, so we end up catering to their every need.

[masonanddixon]

I don't understand why non-Muslim countries have to accommodate themselves to Muslims.

Multiculturalism is the most retarded idea.

[sweggeh]

I don't understand why non-Muslim countries have to accommodate themselves to Muslims.

Multiculturalism is the most retarded idea.

Multiculturalism when done well is one of the best things about modern times. Only a racist who only wants to see white faces in their town would say that.

People from different cultural backgrounds enrich the lives of each other when they live together. The problem is one when friction and lack of understanding and flexibility is shown by either side. That problem is with certain individuals, not the concept of multiculturalism. In general it works well and is appreciated by many many people.

[masonanddixon]

Multiculturalism when done well is one of the best things about modern times. Only a racist who only wants to see white faces in their town would say that.

People from different cultural backgrounds enrich the lives of each other when they live together. The problem is one when friction and lack of understanding and flexibility is shown by either side. That problem is with certain individuals, not the concept of multiculturalism. In general it works well and is appreciated by many many people.

lol do you actually believe this shit? Pretty soon there will be no point of traveling anywhere because every country will look the same.

There's a reason why peoples have been separated for thousands of years. Regions develop distinct ways of life, distinct cultures, and distinct values.

The idea that you just dump a bunch of people with antithetical beliefs into a new land and expect them to all live in harmony, especially in the age of corporatism, is the most retarded concept imaginable.

[poido123]

Multiculturalism when done well is one of the best things about modern times. Only a racist who only wants to see white faces in their town would say that.

People from different cultural backgrounds enrich the lives of each other when they live together. The problem is one when friction and lack of understanding and flexibility is shown by either side. That problem is with certain individuals, not the concept of multiculturalism. In general it works well and is appreciated by many many people.



Its not working and it causes major civil unrest.

Forget about the extremists and people who are racist etc for a minute, the volatility is real and large scale multiculturalism just hasn't worked and it is causing conflict.

Christian dominant countries just don't seem to mix with Islamic customs and beliefs which go against everything they believe in. One is extreme and restrictive and the other believe in democracy and freedom of self expression.

One of the biggest differences is the treatment of women.

[sweggeh]

lol do you actually believe this shit? Pretty soon there will be no point of traveling anywhere because every country will look the same.

There's a reason why peoples have been separated for thousands of years. Regions develop distinct ways of life, distinct cultures, and distinct values.

The idea that you just dump a bunch of people with antithetical beliefs into a new land and expect them to all live in harmony, especially in the age of corporatism, is the most retarded concept imaginable.

We used to hear the same things back in the days when blacks werent allowed to live with whites. "They will destroy our culture blah blah blah".

The days of segregation is over. Lets not pretend if places like Africa werent shit holes and were actually nice places to live it there wouldnt be a lot of white people living there.

In fact there are many white non muslim people living in Dubai and even though some have had problems with the strict laws there, many people including some I know in real life love it there and would never want to leave.

Some people are just afraid of change I think, and are raised in xenophobic households so are naturally against any integration and want things to be the way they are forever. Thats not the world dude, Im sorry to tell you that. In the distant future people will have mixed so much there will only be one race. And even then aliens will be living on Earth and people will start making threads on ISH saying that these aliens cant integrate with us and interplanetary living is not possible. The more things change the more they stay the same lol.

[sweggeh]

Its not working and it causes major civil unrest.

Forget about the extremists and people who are racist etc for a minute, the volatility is real and large scale multiculturalism just hasn't worked and it is causing conflict.

Christian dominant countries just don't seem to mix with Islamic customs and beliefs which go against everything they believe in. One is extreme and restrictive and the other believe in democracy and freedom of self expression.

One of the biggest differences is the treatment of women.

When you live in a European country, for example, you follow their laws, whatever they may be. I dont know why people think Muslims living in England for example dont have to follow the same laws as everyone else. So I dont know what you are talking about there.

Secondly, Christianity is expressive and promotes freedom? Really? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

The indoctrination is strong in this one.

All these Abrahamic religions are as bad as eachother, dont make me laugh.

[poido123]

Its not working and it causes major civil unrest.

Forget about the extremists and people who are racist etc for a minute, the volatility is real and large scale multiculturalism just hasn't worked and it is causing conflict.

Christian dominant countries just don't seem to mix with Islamic customs and beliefs which go against everything they believe in. One is extreme and restrictive and the other believe in democracy and freedom of self expression.

One of the biggest differences is the treatment of women.


I'd like one of the Muslim brethrens here to address this post.

They will probably avoid the content in this, they know they have it over us stupid westerners with our weak politicians :rolleyes:

[masonanddixon]

We used to hear the same things back in the days when blacks werent allowed to live with whites. "They will destroy our culture blah blah blah".

The days of segregation is over. Lets not pretend if places like Africa werent shit holes and were actually nice places to live it there wouldnt be a lot of white people living there.

In fact there are many white non muslim people living in Dubai and even though some have had problems with the strict laws there, many people including some I know in real life love it there and would never want to leave.

Some people are just afraid of change I think, and are raised in xenophobic households so are naturally against any integration and want things to be the way they are forever. Thats not the world dude, Im sorry to tell you that. In the distant future people will have mixed so much there will only be one race. And even then aliens will be living on Earth and people will start making threads on ISH saying that these aliens cant integrate with us and interplanetary living is not possible. The more things change the more they stay the same lol.

Thats different. Europeans stole the land of Aboriginals and brought Africans over as slaves (American slavery was nothing compared to slavery in other parts of the world at the time).

This is bringing different cultures into one mix at a time in which economic and societal conflict is at its fractious.

The biggest problem is that the environment is what suffers the most when populations are increased. I don't particularly care much for people, even much less so for those who are confrontational and reproduce at a high rate.

I am more than happy to read about Muslims from a text in the library, and more than happy for none of them to be anywhere near where I live.

[poido123]

When you live in a European country, for example, you follow their laws, whatever they may be. I dont know why people think Muslims leaving in England for example dont have to follow the same laws as everyone else. So I dont know what you are talking about there.

Secondly, Christianity is expressive and promotes freedom? Really? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

The indoctrination is strong in this one.

All these Abrahamic religions are as bad as eachother, dont make me laugh.


They follow the European laws? Really?

More than half of Muslims in britain demand sharia law? They have manipulated the laws to appease their religion by erecting mosques in western countries and play the "I have Muslim rights" card against our politicians. Could you imagine if Christians did that in Saudi Arabia? Spoke out their religious beliefs and carried out western customs in a Muslim country? They get punished.

There have been atrocities carried out by Isis, yet none of these inhabiting Muslims in western countries are condemning these actions as much as they should, especially the leaders...

[sweggeh]

They follow the European laws? Really?

More than half of Muslims in britain demand sharia law? They have manipulated the laws to appease their religion by erecting mosques in western countries and play the "I have Muslim rights" card against our politicians. Could you imagine if Christians did that in Saudi Arabia? Spoke out their religious beliefs and carried out western customs in a Muslim country? They get punished.

There have been atrocities carried out by Isis, yet none of these inhabiting Muslims in western countries are condemning these actions as much as they should, especially the leaders...

:oldlol:

There has been many non Muslims campaiging in Dubai about getting law changes to better fit their lifestyle because Dubai's laws are too stricy. Do you enjoy being uneducated and wrong all the time?

[poido123]

:oldlol:

There has been many non Muslims campaiging in Dubai about getting law changes to better fit their lifestyle because Dubai's laws are too stricy. Do you enjoy being uneducated and wrong all the time?


Please address the whole body of writing, not just pick what suits you and address none of the issues I brought up.

You get my drift, stop acting like an intellectual toff.

As far as I know, people kissing in Dubai still get punished...

Women are still pieces of shit in Muslim cultures

[sweggeh]

Please address the whole body of writing, not just pick what suits you and address none of the issues I brought up.

You get my drift, stop acting like an intellectual toff.

As far as I know, people kissing in Dubai still get punished...

Women are still pieces of shit in Muslim cultures

As far as I know, there is no shariah law in the West. So why bring it up then?

How can I even read what you write when you are so wrong about everything you say.

The treatment of women in some sectors of the Muslim communities is a cause of some worry, I will agree with you there. But then again its not just Muslims. Some Hindu's have been known to kill their daughters because they have brought shame on the family. Of course Im not like you and others in this thread so I wont solely blame the religion, I blame certain elements of their culture.

Also, I strongly doubt you have ever been to a Muslim country or associated with any Muslim people in any meaningful way. You havent said anything so far that doesnt stem from the stereotypical views of Muslims that you could get just sitting at home all day watching Fox News.

[Lebron23]

As far as I know, there is no shariah law in the West. So why bring it up then?

How can I even read what you write when you are so wrong about everything you say.

The treatment of women in some sectors of the Muslim communities is a cause of some worry, I will agree with you there. But then again its not just Muslims. Some Hindu's have been known to kill their daughters because they have brought shame on the family. Of course Im not like you and others in this thread so I wont solely blame the religion, I blame certain elements of their culture.

Also, I strongly doubt you have ever been to a Muslim country or associated with any Muslim people in any meaningful way. You havent said anything so far that doesnt stem from the stereotypical views of Muslims that you could get just sitting at home all day watching Fox News.

Great Posts.

[poido123]

As far as I know, there is no shariah law in the West. So why bring it up then?

How can I even read what you write when you are so wrong about everything you say.

The treatment of women in some sectors of the Muslim communities is a cause of some worry, I will agree with you there. But then again its not just Muslims. Some Hindu's have been known to kill their daughters because they have brought shame on the family. Of course Im not like you and others in this thread so I wont solely blame the religion, I blame certain elements of their culture.

Also, I strongly doubt you have ever been to a Muslim country or associated with any Muslim people in any meaningful way. You havent said anything so far that doesnt stem from the stereotypical views of Muslims that you could get just sitting at home all day watching Fox News.

I have an Iranian teammate in my basketball team. We get along fine. I grew up in parts of Sydney, many parts inhabited by large muslim groups and I can see the problems there. They feel alienated, but at the same time they don't really want to mix either.

Stereotypical views? I've seen it with my own eyes.

Sydney and Melbourne in my country are breeding beds for Muslims and their offshoot extremists.

According to the statistics, Muslims will outbreed us in 20 years at the current birthrate.

I loathe the day that important figureheads in parliament pass sharia law here since the country is now predominantly Muslim.

Where I live I see mosques everywhere. I ask myself why these people cannot respect our country and keep their shit behind closed doors? Why do we have to cater for that?

[sweggeh]

I have an Iranian teammate in my basketball team. We get along fine. I grew up in parts of Sydney, many parts inhabited by large muslim groups and I can see the problems there. They feel alienated, but at the same time they don't really want to mix either.

Stereotypical views? I've seen it with my own eyes.

Sydney and Melbourne in my country are breeding beds for Muslims and their offshoot extremists.

According to the statistics, Muslims will outbreed us in 20 years at the current birthrate.

I loathe the day that important figureheads in parliament pass sharia law here since the country is now predominantly Muslim.

Where I live I see mosques everywhere. I ask myself why these people cannot respect our country and keep their shit behind closed doors? Why do we have to cater for that?

Now we are getting to the root of your problem. You like many others are afraid of Muslims and are afraid they will take over. I mean, what goes around comes around doesn't it? You guys overpowered the aborigines and stole their land, now you fear the same will happen to you.

I can assure, had you stopped listening to people who are trying to scare you as part of their propaganda, you would know ALL religion is declining. Islam like Christianity and Judaism will barely exist in a few hundred years. Australia like the UK and USA WILL NOT become a Muslim country. So don't fear. Live your life and stop being a xenophobe.

[Nick Young]

I just wish people would attempt to integrate instead of actively segregating themselves from people around them.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

They have a known reputation in the states amongst Indians as people who groomed young Indian girls. The bitterness between non-Muslim Indians/Pakistanis and Muslim Indians/Pakistanis is far more intense there than here (United States).

[sweggeh]

I just wish people would attempt to integrate instead of actively segregating themselves from people around them.

I agree with this.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

I just wish people would attempt to integrate instead of actively segregating themselves from people around them.

Sadly the issue is even in the United States, a lot of my cousins grew up in a New Jersey hood (I won't say where). There is always gang violence between the asians (mostly south asians), mexicans, and the blacks. I'm grateful I didn't live there because I know of at least 2-3 relatives who were assaulted there for no reason.

[poido123]

Now we are getting to the root of your problem. You like many others are afraid of Muslims and are afraid they will take over. I mean, what goes around comes around doesn't it? You guys overpowered the aborigines and stole their land, now you fear the same will happen to you.

I can assure, had you stopped listening to people who are trying to scare you as part of their propaganda, you would know ALL religion is declining. Islam like Christianity and Judaism will barely exist in a few hundred years. Australia like the UK and USA WILL NOT become a Muslim country. So don't fear. Live your life and stop being a xenophobe.


Religion has stood the test of time. It will never go away.

People will always have a need to feel a part of something or saved from their own mental decline.

Don't know about the US, but england much like australia are too politically correct with these religious groups. They will bend over backwards to cater to their needs and unfortunately they know how to use the laws to suit themselves.

Islamic terrorists are already here. They are in hibernation, but the day will come when a terrorist attack will happen here, mark my words.

[poido123]

I just wish people would attempt to integrate instead of actively segregating themselves from people around them.


That doesn't happen here.

The Islamic groups are very much isolating themselves from the population here. They don't respect our ways, yet enjoy the fruits of our country.

Go figure.

[Nick Young]

They have a known reputation in the states amongst Indians as people who groomed young Indian girls. The bitterness between non-Muslim Indians/Pakistanis and Muslim Indians/Pakistanis is far more intense there than here (United States).
Yeh those asian muslim rape rings going on that recently got found out are disgusting.

Cops knew about it for years and refused to do anything because they didnt want to be called racist:facepalm

EDL was talking about Asian rape rings for years and I thought it was racist propaganda, turns out they were right about this atleast. Some disgusting shit

[Nick Young]

That doesn't happen here.

The Islamic groups are very much isolating themselves from the population here. They don't respect our ways, yet enjoy the fruits of our country.

Go figure.
thats what happens in the UK too, even in London.


It's because of PC UK culture. They are so afraid of being racist that they allow rape rings to happen, grooming of little girls, and terrorist indoctrination seminars to go on all over the place.

[poido123]

thats what happens in the UK too, even in London.


It's because of PC UK culture. They are so afraid of being racist that they allow rape rings to happen, grooming of little girls, and terrorist indoctrination seminars to go on all over the place.


I don't support radical white supremist type groups, but they are the only ones who will actively try to stop such developments...

The PC thing is here too. Our politicians push the multiculturalism thing down our throats, as I'm sure there's a voting and financial benefit of immigration, just like anywhere else.

This might sound a bit crazy or highly paranoid, but I'm getting a gun license and owning a gun. I don't want to be held defenseless if sharia law is ever declared here, I want to be able to protect my family.

I've been in the army, but those weapons don't carry over to civilian use.

[Nick Young]

I like multiculturalism as long as everyone makes an effort to integrate and get on with eachother, like what happens in America.

In Europe and UK especially for some reason people just come here and segregate and make zero effort to fit in, meanwhile the countries bend over backwards to accommodate these people, and make excuses for the phucked up things they do, for fear of offending them.

[step_back]

I like multiculturalism as long as everyone makes an effort to integrate and get on with eachother, like what happens in America.

In Europe and UK especially for some reason people just come here and segregate and make zero effort to fit in, meanwhile the countries bend over backwards to accommodate these people, and make excuses for the phucked up things they do, for fear of offending them.

You're so full of it. :facepalm

The only time I've been objectified by my skin colour was in Florida this year. The states is a lot less integrating than the U.K especially London.

[sweggeh]

You're so full of it. :facepalm

The only time I've been objectified by my skin colour was in Florida this year. The states is a lot less integrating than the U.K especially London.

Yeah I was shocked when I read that too lol

[KingBeasley08]

You're so full of it. :facepalm

The only time I've been objectified by my skin colour was in Florida this year. The states is a lot less integrating than the U.K especially London.
He's got a point doe. You don't have obnoxious Muslims doing whatever the fck they want cause that shit doesn't fly here :oldlol:


Even the Mexicans who are coming illegally assimilate pretty well and even add parts of their own culture

[sweggeh]

He's got a point doe. You don't have obnoxious Muslims doing whatever the fck they want cause that shit doesn't fly here :oldlol:


Even the Mexicans who are coming illegally assimilate pretty well and even add parts of their own culture

Never before have I ever seen so many people who have never been to London lecturing us on how Muslims act here. You guys are so full of shit. I live here, I deal with these Muslims every single day and I am telling you this shit you are being told is blown WAY out of proportion. The majority of people I know and have known in my time in London (20 years), have had no problems with Muslims AT ALL. Myself included.

There are definitely issues but on a general basis there are no problems with Muslims. However if you are the kind of person who gets angry when they see a Mosque in the street, then I can understand why you may think these things are problems.

[step_back]

Never before have I ever seen so many people who have never been to London lecturing us on how Muslims act here. You guys are so full of shit. I live here, I deal with these Muslims every single day and I am telling you this shit you are being told is blown WAY out of proportion. The majority of people I know and have known in my time in London (20 years), have had no problems with Muslims AT ALL. Myself included.

There are definitely issues but on a general basis there are no problems with Muslims. However if you are the kind of person who gets angry when they see a Mosque in the street, then I can understand why you may think these things are problems.

It's ISH, what are you expecting :lol

[NumberSix]

Never before have I ever seen so many people who have never been to London lecturing us on how Muslims act here. You guys are so full of shit. I live here, I deal with these Muslims every single day and I am telling you this shit you are being told is blown WAY out of proportion. The majority of people I know and have known in my time in London (20 years), have had no problems with Muslims AT ALL. Myself included.

There are definitely issues but on a general basis there are no problems with Muslims. However if you are the kind of person who gets angry when they see a Mosque in the street, then I can understand why you may think these things are problems.
"So many people"? There were 2. 1 of them being nick young who I know for a fact lives in....... London.

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"So many people"? There were 2. 1 of them being nick young who I know for a fact lives in....... London.

Nick has also said in the past on ISH he loves how integrating London is.

He's full of shit and everything he says shouldn't be taken as the whole truth.

[Nick Young]

You're so full of it. :facepalm

The only time I've been objectified by my skin colour was in Florida this year. The states is a lot less integrating than the U.K especially London.
OK-in the UK people of different skin colours ARENT CONSTANTLY pointing out their different skin colours to the annoying point they do in the USA-I agree with this. The UK people are very accepting of every race and culture.


But there are still a ton of people, immigrants and descended from immigrants WHO MAKE ZERO ATTEMPTS TO INTEGRATE IN TO UK SOCIETY, despite the fact that UK society welcomes them with open arms and even changes its laws to accommodate their cultures, that is what I'm saying! You are lying if you deny this.
Just look at these sharia patrols of kids in Mile End WHO WERE BORN AND RAISED IN LONDON!
Just look at these sharia courts ALL OVER LONDON.
Just look at all these assholes raised in the UK who become extremists and go to fight in ISIS!
Dunno which part of London you live in if you think this isn't happening.

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OK-in the UK people of different skin colours ARENT CONSTANTLY pointing out their different skin colours to the annoying point they do in the USA-I agree with this. The UK people are very accepting of every race and culture.


But there are still a ton of people, immigrants and descended from immigrants WHO MAKE ZERO ATTEMPTS TO INTEGRATE IN TO UK SOCIETY, despite the fact that UK society welcomes them with open arms and even changes its laws to accommodate their cultures, that is what I'm saying! You are lying if you deny this.
Just look at these sharia patrols of kids in Mile End WHO WERE BORN AND RAISED IN LONDON!
Just look at these sharia courts ALL OVER LONDON.
Just look at all these assholes raised in the UK who become extremists and go to fight in ISIS!
Dunno which part of London you live in if you think this isn't happening.

This isn't isolated to the U.K though. American airstrikes killed a Chinese ISIS fighter a few days ago. Muslims serve their religion before their country. How can the U.K combat that philosophy without compromising free will? I also find it ironic that the "supposedly" most free country on Earth thinks immigrants should have to abide by their rules in order to integrate into their society.

I live walking distance to a local mosque which over the last 10 years has taken over the local school next to it. I agree integration is a two way street but it's seems people are forgetting that living in a democracy is letting people choose to believe and follow what they want.

[NumberSix]

This isn't isolated to the U.K though. American airstrikes killed a Chinese ISIS fighter a few days ago. Muslims serve their religion before their country. How can the U.K combat that philosophy without compromising free will? I also find it ironic that the "supposedly" most free country on Earth thinks immigrants should have to abide by their rules in order to integrate into their society.

I live walking distance to a local mosque which over the last 10 years has taken over the local school next to it. I agree integration is a two way street but it's seems people are forgetting that living in a democracy is letting people choose to believe and follow what they want.
This might be controversial, but British laws should apply to British people. Not necessarily to immigrants or visitors. Not saying they should have no rights, but there has to be a priority for the people that made their country what it is and have to deal with the consequences when things fall apart.

If I go to Japan, I don't see why I should have as much say in Japan as actual Japanese people. Isn't it only right that they should be able to guide the destiny of their own country? Why should an outsider like me have as much say as they do? If me and other outsiders diminish Japan, when Japan gets crappy we can always go back home. They don't have another Japan they can go to. Theyre stuck with the mess we contributed to making.

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This might be controversial, but British laws should apply to British people. Not necessarily to immigrants or visitors. Not saying they should have no rights, but there has to be a priority for the people that made their country what it is and have to deal with the consequences when things fall apart.

If I go to Japan, I don't see why I should have as much say in Japan as actual Japanese people. Isn't it only right that they should be able to guide the destiny of their own country? Why should an outsider like me have as much say as they do? If me and other outsiders diminish Japan, when Japan gets crappy we can always go back home. They don't have another Japan they can go to. Theyre stuck with the mess we contributed to making.

I agree with you. I don't go over to other countries and expect them to cater for me. But then I don't have a sense of entitlement like many religious people do. Part of the problem is having such thoughts will often get you branded a bigot and that's the quickest way to get yourself ostracized from society and fired from your job.

With the success UKIP had this year in the Euro elections and the recent ISIS up rising this political correctness movement will be re-evaluated. Some people aren't ready for multiculturalism.

[Nick Young]

I hope the political correctness movement dies a quick death.

There is a happy medium between extremist anti-immigrant racism and allowing immigrants to do whatever they want while changing national laws to accommodate their beliefs and religion at the expense of natives.

Right now, everything is leaning way too far towards PC lala friendship land, which is a nice idea but has proven to not work in reality, otherwise so many UK citizens wouldn't have gone overseas to commit acts of terrorism and terrorist radicalization would not be happening in the UK at the rate that it is.

They need to find the perfect middle ground between nationalist anti-immigration policy and PC wonderland.

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I hope the political correctness movement dies a quick death.

There is a happy medium between extremist anti-immigrant racism and allowing immigrants to do whatever they want while changing national laws to accommodate their beliefs and religion at the expense of natives.

Right now, everything is leaning way too far towards PC lala friendship land, which is a nice idea but has proven to not work in reality, otherwise so many UK citizens wouldn't have gone overseas to commit acts of terrorism and terrorist radicalization would not be happening in the UK at the rate that it is.

They need to find the perfect middle ground between nationalist anti-immigration policy and PC wonderland.

That is by far the best post I've read from you. :applause:

[KingBeasley08]

From what I'm reading, it seems many people in Europe are starting to hate Muslims and multicultural society. I feel like shit is gonna hit the fan in Europe in the coming years

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From what I'm reading, it seems many people in Europe are starting to hate Muslims and multicultural society. I feel like shit is gonna hit the fan in Europe in the coming years

No one has a problem with Muslims or multiculturalism in this country providing they're willing to integrate and accept others. The ones that call for Sharia law etc have plenty of Muslim lands to choose from if they would rather live by those laws.

Shit doesn't need to hit the fan is those basic requirements are honored.

[poido123]

Never before have I ever seen so many people who have never been to London lecturing us on how Muslims act here. You guys are so full of shit. I live here, I deal with these Muslims every single day and I am telling you this shit you are being told is blown WAY out of proportion. The majority of people I know and have known in my time in London (20 years), have had no problems with Muslims AT ALL. Myself included.

There are definitely issues but on a general basis there are no problems with Muslims. However if you are the kind of person who gets angry when they see a Mosque in the street, then I can understand why you may think these things are problems.


Hoooold up "always look on the bright side of life" guy.

A majority of Muslims will keep to themselves and never engage in such extremist actions, but when the shit hits the fan, they won't be rallying for the western cause.

In the Quran, deception to protect their beliefs is one of the teachings . So, keeping a low profile is part of that deception.

The guys who commit terrorist attacks are often just your run of the mill Muslim keeping a low profile, then bam they blow up a train or pack their bags to go fight for ISIS.

The problem here is there is no transparency. There needs to be regular checks in mosques and Muslim meetings to identify and stamp out these radicals. These so called "good Muslims" are also not doing their job and exposing these soon to be terrorists before it is too late.

So I ask you, what are the "good Muslims" doing to expose these radicals spawning out of western hidy holes?

[Nick Young]

Hoooold up "always look on the bright side of life" guy.

A majority of Muslims will keep to themselves and never engage in such extremist actions, but when the shit hits the fan, they won't be rallying for the western cause.

In the Quran, deception to protect their beliefs is one of the teachings . So, keeping a low profile is part of that deception.

The guys who commit terrorist attacks are often just your run of the mill Muslim keeping a low profile, then bam they blow up a train or pack their bags to go fight for ISIS.

The problem here is there is no transparency. There needs to be regular checks in mosques and Muslim meetings to identify and stamp out these radicals. These so called "good Muslims" are also not doing their job and exposing these soon to be terrorists before it is too late.

So I ask you, what are the "good Muslims" doing to expose these radicals spawning out of western hidy holes?
No dude. That's going steps too far. Let people practice their religion in peace, but don't allow known hate preachers who encourage radicalization to spew their hateful propaganda without doing anything about it.

Going in to mosques and monitering everything is some hateful nazi shit, it, that kind of thing doesn't ever need to happen.

Muslims generally are good people who just want to get on with things just like everyone else in the world, but at the same time it can't be ignored that many extremist radical psychos are coming out of that religion these days in comparison to other religions.

[poido123]

No dude. That's going steps too far. Let people practice their religion in peace, but don't allow known hate preachers who encourage radicalization to spew their hateful propaganda without doing anything about it.

Going in to mosques and monitering everything is some hateful nazi shit, it, that kind of thing doesn't ever need to happen.

Muslims generally are good people who just want to get on with things just like everyone else in the world, but at the same time it can't be ignored that many extremist radical psychos are coming out of that religion these days in comparison to other religions.


Well then that's a contradiction to support free speech in a democracy...

If the "good Muslims" aren't policing their own from becoming extremists, then as far as I'm concerned they are just as bad.

Its like if you're housing and feeding escaped prisoners, you are breaking the law.

The governments are not being hard enough IMO.

These peace abiding Muslims might be good people, but they are certainly not helping the cause by not sorting out their own radical people. I don't see them speaking out against their radical clerics? No, they proceed to blame western people for their actions so everything is justified.

The problem here is, we are allowing the fence sitters to harbor and turn a blind eye to these radicals.

[Nash]

I love that whenever the topic is about muslims it always ends up being about extreme cases like Saudi Arabia and bearded dudes like the guy on that video.

that is how racism happens, people point to the most extreme people from that group and then label the rest of them.

[NumberSix]

I love that whenever the topic is about muslims it always ends up being about extreme cases like Saudi Arabia and bearded dudes like the guy on that video.

that is how racism happens, people point to the most extreme people from that group and then label the rest of them.
Not a race issue at all and you're being very disingenuous to try to frame it as one.

Islam is a set of beliefs that you CHOSE.

It's no different than choosing left wing political beliefs or right wing political. It's absolutely unacceptable to take one set of views and say it is off the table for criticism and that if you do criticism these views, you're somehow a "racist".

Islam is a set of opinions, not a "race".

[poido123]

I love that whenever the topic is about muslims it always ends up being about extreme cases like Saudi Arabia and bearded dudes like the guy on that video.

that is how racism happens, people point to the most extreme people from that group and then label the rest of them.


Do you understand what the caliphate is?

Do you understand the aggressive action this Islamic group are making and the conditions of our existence?

I don't know where you live, but there has been immigration issues with this particular group in western societies for good reason. They don't want to assimilate, they want to bring their own little communities into your country and demand every right under the sun. Then they will outbreed you and they will place themselves in positions of power to pass through sharia law.

Think it won't happen? That's what is happening now...the UK are experiencing the "poor me" tactics now and cannot rid themselves of these vermin. If they don't like it, they can go live in a Muslim dominant country and enjoy sharia law til their hearts content.

[poido123]

Not a race issue at all and you're being very disingenuous to try to frame it as one.

Islam is a set of beliefs that you CHOSE.

It's no different than choosing left wing political beliefs or right wing political. It's absolutely unacceptable to take one set of views and say it is off the table for criticism and that if you do criticism these views, you're somehow a "racist".

Islam is a set of opinions, not a "race".


This is part of the "poor me" deflection tactics.

We aren't all terrorists! Most of us a law abiding citizens! We have a right to having mosques and traditions placed around workplaces!

Like seriously, this "choice religion" is a joke. They don't play fair.

They don't pull into line their own people with extremist views, therefore they support them.

Its about time they are all accountable. Why are fence sitters to the atrocities considered "good Muslims"?

[Nick Young]

Well then that's a contradiction to support free speech in a democracy...

If the "good Muslims" aren't policing their own from becoming extremists, then as far as I'm concerned they are just as bad.

Its like if you're housing and feeding escaped prisoners, you are breaking the law.

The governments are not being hard enough IMO.

These peace abiding Muslims might be good people, but they are certainly not helping the cause by not sorting out their own radical people. I don't see them speaking out against their radical clerics? No, they proceed to blame western people for their actions so everything is justified.

The problem here is, we are allowing the fence sitters to harbor and turn a blind eye to these radicals.
Yeah I get what you're saying.

My uni's muslim society invited a known radical hate preacher to speak at an event on campus. The society is the biggest at the uni. Initially the uni allowed this speaker to come but then some one did research on him and realized he preached stoning homosexuals, radical sharia law and terrorism and the uni banned him.

The entire muslim society cried racism and islamaphobia and even got some members in the liberal media on their side.:facepalm "Wah wah wah we wanted to hear the hate preacher's side of things! This isn't democracy wah wah wah"

Yeh I wish Muslims did more to police the radical psychos but that seemingly isn't how things are. Still, there is a huge shade of gray between allowing radical pro-terrorist hate preachers to roam free and preach their message to impressionable youths and monitering every single mosque with video camera and mic. Aim for a middle ground!

One of the leaders of that society was this crazy bangladeshi girl who used to go to summer trips to Palestine and take selfies of herself smiling next to kids in hospitals and posted them on facebook. No doubt she just itching to join ISIS if she's not there already.

[Nick Young]

Not a race issue at all and you're being very disingenuous to try to frame it as one.

Islam is a set of beliefs that you CHOSE.

It's no different than choosing left wing political beliefs or right wing political. It's absolutely unacceptable to take one set of views and say it is off the table for criticism and that if you do criticism these views, you're somehow a "racist".

Islam is a set of opinions, not a "race".
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Exactly. Why is it considered perfectly ok to criticize radical Christianity and Catholicism and tabboo to criticize ideas in Islam?:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[poido123]

Yeah I get what you're saying.

My uni's muslim society invited a known radical hate preacher to speak at an event on campus. The society is the biggest at the uni. Initially the uni allowed this speaker to come but then some one did research on him and realized he preached stoning homosexuals, radical sharia law and terrorism and the uni banned him.

The entire muslim society cried racism and islamaphobia and even got some members in the liberal media on their side.:facepalm "Wah wah wah we wanted to hear the hate preacher's side of things! This isn't democracy wah wah wah"

Yeh I wish Muslims did more to police the radical psychos but that seemingly isn't how things are. Still, there is a huge shade of gray between allowing radical pro-terrorist hate preachers to roam free and preach their message to impressionable youths and monitering every single mosque with video camera and mic.

One of the leaders of that society was this crazy bangladeshi girl who used to go to summer trips to Palestine and take selfies of herself smiling next to kids in hospitals and posted them on facebook. No doubt she just itching to join ISIS if she's not there already.


Good post :applause:

How is good Muslims harboring or knowing of radical clerics/people in their communities a condition of no responsibility?

Should be treated exactly the same as people harboring escaped prisoners.

Its funny that none of the people here supporting Muslims can explain why this is happening and why the mistreatment of women is acceptable in their religion? Doesn't an issue as big as that spread right through to other areas?

[9erempiree]

Islam is dumb because it is too black and white or cut and dry. When they preach about something, it is either this or that. There is no grey area and no balance.

The confused are more likely to convert over because it is so cut and dry. These people are afraid of change and Islam is a perfect religion to guide these people. Too bad it is preaches the wrong things and it is either this way or that way.

Christians are against homosexuality but at least there is that grey area for them to accept homosexuals.

[9erempiree]

Its funny that none of the people here supporting Muslims can explain why this is happening and why the mistreatment of women is acceptable in their religion? Doesn't an issue as big as that spread right through to other areas?

It is a religion that doesn't have that grey area.

[LJJ]

From what I'm reading, it seems many people in Europe are starting to hate Muslims and multicultural society. I feel like shit is gonna hit the fan in Europe in the coming years

Multiculturalism is just a terrible idea in itself.

It has always been in line the with general attitude of the leftist elite. The elite loves to show how tolerant they are, but it's a game to them. Their cleaning lady might be an immigrant, but their children don't go to school with immigrant kids. Their co-workers aren't immigrants. Their friends aren't immigrants and their neighbors aren't immigrants.

And that's exactly what the basis of multiculturalism is. "Please come over here and do our shitty jobs, but you'll never be part of our little club and our culture. We prefer if you keep your own culture."

That general attitude towards immigration is just as a big a part of the problem with these immigrants as Islamic culture is. If you want to do immigration right, you have to put the focus on assimilating them.

[ALBballer]

Multiculturalism is just a terrible idea in itself.

It has always been in line the with general attitude of the leftist elite. The elite loves to show how tolerant they are, but it's a game to them. Their cleaning lady might be an immigrant, but their children don't go to school with immigrant kids. Their co-workers aren't immigrants. Their friends aren't immigrants and their neighbors aren't immigrants.

And that's exactly what the basis of multiculturalism is. "Please come over here and do our shitty jobs, but you'll never be part of our little club and our culture. We prefer if you keep your own culture."

That general attitude towards immigration is just as a big a part of the problem with these immigrants as Islamic culture is. If you want to do immigration right, you have to put the focus on assimilating them.

The rich encourage the practice as well. They hire them in their businesses and they reap the benefits of paying the immigrants less and they avoid negative aspects of immigration while they live in their secluded gated communities and don't have to deal with negative aspects that come with immigration.

It's usually the poor to middle class that is effected the most because their lifestyle is effected the most in terms of economics and culture.

[ALBballer]

From what I'm reading, it seems many people in Europe are starting to hate Muslims and multicultural society. I feel like shit is gonna hit the fan in Europe in the coming years

The problem is Europe is a generally homogenous place and is nothing like the United States where immigrants tend to integrate easier. Then there are some other countries like Sweden where Muslim immigrants take advantage of the liberal societies and the clashes of culture is evidently seen.

You are correct in your point and the effect can be seen with the popularity of the far right in Europe.

[masonanddixon]

Multiculturalism is just a terrible idea in itself.

It has always been in line the with general attitude of the leftist elite. The elite loves to show how tolerant they are, but it's a game to them. Their cleaning lady might be an immigrant, but their children don't go to school with immigrant kids. Their co-workers aren't immigrants. Their friends aren't immigrants and their neighbors aren't immigrants.

And that's exactly what the basis of multiculturalism is. "Please come over here and do our shitty jobs, but you'll never be part of our little club and our culture. We prefer if you keep your own culture."

That general attitude towards immigration is just as a big a part of the problem with these immigrants as Islamic culture is. If you want to do immigration right, you have to put the focus on assimilating them.

This is exactly it.

These ****ers sit in their gated communities and stir the fires and let everyone clean up their own shit.

It's the same shit that was going down in Ferguson.

[Nick Young]

Islam is dumb because it is too black and white or cut and dry. When they preach about something, it is either this or that. There is no grey area and no balance.

The confused are more likely to convert over because it is so cut and dry. These people are afraid of change and Islam is a perfect religion to guide these people. Too bad it is preaches the wrong things and it is either this way or that way.

Christians are against homosexuality but at least there is that grey area for them to accept homosexuals.
that is what attracts so many stupid radical ass holes to this religious idealogy. Black and white good vs evil us vs them mentality is very easy to understand. Something needs to be done. Moderate muslims need to stop allowing this shit to go on without doing anything about it if they ever want the public image of their religion in the west to improve after all the damage all of these extremist nutcases have done to it.

I want to return to a time where it was like the golden age of the arab empire, when Muslims, Jews and Christians all got on like best buds, that will never happen if muslims keep allowing these extremist terrorist cells to grow and fester in their own back yards and as long as muslim religious leaders continue to justify their actions on TV and blame it on "the west created this and gave these people no choice but to react the way that they are":facepalm


There are so many better ways to react to "the hand the west dealt them" then chopping off peoples heads and trying to start a new caliphate.

[nightprowler10]

Multiculturalism is just a terrible idea in itself.

It has always been in line the with general attitude of the leftist elite. The elite loves to show how tolerant they are, but it's a game to them. Their cleaning lady might be an immigrant, but their children don't go to school with immigrant kids. Their co-workers aren't immigrants. Their friends aren't immigrants and their neighbors aren't immigrants.

And that's exactly what the basis of multiculturalism is. "Please come over here and do our shitty jobs, but you'll never be part of our little club and our culture. We prefer if you keep your own culture."

That general attitude towards immigration is just as a big a part of the problem with these immigrants as Islamic culture is. If you want to do immigration right, you have to put the focus on assimilating them.
This is an excellent post.

[NumberSix]

Multiculturalism is just a terrible idea in itself.

It has always been in line the with general attitude of the leftist elite. The elite loves to show how tolerant they are, but it's a game to them. Their cleaning lady might be an immigrant, but their children don't go to school with immigrant kids. Their co-workers aren't immigrants. Their friends aren't immigrants and their neighbors aren't immigrants.

And that's exactly what the basis of multiculturalism is. "Please come over here and do our shitty jobs, but you'll never be part of our little club and our culture. We prefer if you keep your own culture."

That general attitude towards immigration is just as a big a part of the problem with these immigrants as Islamic culture is. If you want to do immigration right, you have to put the focus on assimilating them.
The problem is the word "multiculturalism". It's a misleading word to those unfamiliar with its political use. People see this word and think it means people of different cultures living together and getting along when it's actually somewhat the opposite. It's real meaning is parallel societies.


Parallel society (German: Parallelgesellschaft) refers to the self-organization of an ethnic or religious minority, often immigrant groups, with the intent of a reduced or minimal spatial, social and cultural contact with the majority society into which they immigrate.

[secund2nun]

Islam makes people extreme. Mention anything about Allah and Muslims go insane and often become violent. No other religion does that. Look at how many death threats the Danish writer got for his work.

Thankfully Muslims will always remain a small minority in America.