Derek Fisher's 0.4 game winner had a far bigger impact than Ray Allen's game 6 three.

[Encre92]

Fact.

[mang]

Elaborate? Lakers didn't even win the title

[fpliii]

How? The series was tied 2-2...

[Nowitness]

people forget how crazy duncans shot was before it though

[dubeta]

Good thread :applause:

There was still time after Ray's 3


Bosh wouldve gotten another rebound over 6'7 Kawhi since Duncan was sitting down, and LeBron wouldve made the next 3

[Levity]

Go to bed, Encre. You're drunk

[Encre92]

Without Fisher's gamewinner (which I consider the greatest LEGACY DEFINING shot in NBA history), the butterfly effect might result in Kobe having only 2 rings.

Edit: 3 rings.

[Le Shaqtus]

Jesus Christ :roll:

[HOoopCityJones]

Without Fisher's gamewinner (which I consider the greatest LEGACY DEFINING shot in NBA history), the butterfly effect might result in Kobe having only 2 rings.

Well, Ray's shot did result in one ring for LeCramp. :confusedshrug:

[fpliii]

Without Fisher's gamewinner (which I consider the greatest LEGACY DEFINING shot in NBA history), the butterfly effect might result in Kobe having only 2 rings.
How so?

1) Second round.
2) Not an elimination game (tied 2-2).
3) Even if they lose then, they're blowing it up. They lost in the Finals, and blew it up anyway.
4) Kobe already had three rings at the time of that shot.

[Encre92]

Well, Ray's shot did result in one ring for LeCramp. :confusedshrug:
Your use of the term "LeCramp" automatically makes you a troll in my eye and not worth having a discussion with. So GTFO of my thread.

[Le Shaqtus]

How so?

1) Second round.
2) Not an elimination game (tied 2-2).
3) Even if they lose then, they're blowing it up. They lost in the Finals, and blew it up anyway.
4) Kobe already had three rings at the time of that shot.

uh oh

[Encre92]

uh oh
4) Kobe already had three rings* at the time of that shot.

Any ring with prime Shaq warrants an asterisk.

[Le Shaqtus]

4) Kobe already had three rings* at the time of that shot.

Any ring with prime Shaq warrants an asterisk.

Oh I'm sure it is.

[Mr.Kite]

This thread backfired quick on the OP

[Magic 32]

Good thread :applause:

There was still time after Ray's 3


Bosh wouldve gotten another rebound over 6'7 Kawhi since Duncan was sitting down, and LeBron wouldve made the next 3

http://m.memegen.com/tw0up8.jpg

[gts]

This post is hidden because dubeta Encre92 and his 5 other sock accounts are on your ignore list


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[sportjames23]

Fact.


The desperation of this fakkit. :facepalm

Lakers lose the Finals that year.

Heat win the Finals that year.


Now, which shot had the bigger impact again? If you seriously try to argue this...

[Smoke117]

people forget how crazy duncans shot was before it though

I actually think back to that great Duncan shot more than the Fisher shot. D's shot was pure luck and frankly shouldn't have even counted in the first place as the ball was clearly not out of his hands in time. Allen's shot was all skill and just a great shot in general. The circumstances are also a lot different...one shot put the Lakers up 3-2 in a series where neither team even ended up the eventual champions...where as Ray's shot basically saved the Heat season.

[Encre92]

Do you have a link for the Duncan shot? If memory serves me well.. Duncan's shot was an off-balanced fluke at the end of a shot-clock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSnAvhvfniw

0:38 onwards.

[Mr. Jabbar]

it defined fishers legacy not kobes. lebron is the only player whos legacy is defined by other players shots :roll:

[SCdac]

Judging both side by side, .4 will be harder to forget from Spurs fans and was imo much harder to swallow (the whole city thought it shouldn't have counted and thus left a stink in the air). Casual, general NBA fans will probably remember the Allen shot more because it's tied to a Lebron team and it's simply fresher.

[Nowitness]

Thanks for the link. exactly what I suspected.



Got to give Kobe credit here. :applause: The rest... fluke as hell. :no:

not sure if serious ??

duncan lined up the shot perfectly. all he had to do was throw it at a 90 degree angle.

:facepalm

[GODbe]

Take out Ray and Joey and LeBalds 0-5 right now:facepalm . Take out Fisher and Kobe would've hit the gamewinner himself.

[JT123]

OP makes a great point. That .4 shot by Fisher changed the course of history. If Fisher misses that shot Fisher is likely sent away and never allowed to return, as the Lakers always get rid of players once they stop bailing Kobe out. If Fisher isn't around to bail Kobe out in the 2009 and 2010 Finals Kobe likely never wins a ring without Shaq, and thus never cracks the top 20.

[uber]

Shot in the Finals > Shot in the playoffs

[fpliii]

Judging both side by side, .4 will be harder to forget from Spurs fans and was imo much harder to swallow (the whole city thought it shouldn't have counted and thus left a stink in the air). Casual, general NBA fans will probably remember the Allen shot more because it's tied to a Lebron team and it's simply fresher.
You guys were terrific that year (particularly on the defensive end). I think the Spurs and the TWolves (if Cassell's back doesn't give out) both might've had a better shot than we did vs. Detroit. ****ing Malone after the MCL sprain (though he was hurt in December, so really wasn't 100% after that anyway) and GP were useless. :facepalm

[Brokenbeat]

This thread backfired quick on the OP

Don't they all? :oldlol:

[SCdac]

If it wasn't fluke.. show me footage of him replicating that shot (or even coming close to it)? You're going to have to prove that it wasn't a fluke.. so far you got nothing.

Duncan has hit other running, fall-away (fade-away), one handed shots before. Game winner or not.

one-handed game winner over Emeka Okafor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlX18Ql9xGA

fall-away game winner over Karl Malone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWqwvE5KVW8

He's got a good shot and release and that's not new information. It's not like Dwight Howard hitting a midrange game-winner, which would be an absolute rarity. Duncan made a living on midrange game

[Nowitness]

Both of those shots are clearly balanced/fundamental and he doesn't end up falling on his ass from leaning backwards and shooting ~ college 3pt line. Come on cuhh...


Not even close. Try again.

Slayed :oldlol:

[SCdac]

Both of those shots are clearly balanced/fundamental and he doesn't end up falling on his ass from leaning backwards and shooting ~ college 3pt line. Come on cuhh...


Not even close. Try again.

Oh give me a break man... Duncan clearly got off a good shot against the Lakers... and since when do great shots have to be balanced to really count? :facepalm

game-winner against the Hawks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I26HaIvK-UY

game-winner against the Clippers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiQwwyHDIx8

lets not act like Duncan came into the league yesterday. Dude is hella clutch and the GOAT PF! He's been hitting fall away jumpers for over almost 20 years, but it's not his fault you weren't watching or need somebody to teach you about his game.

[SCdac]

If you're not noticing similarities and patterns in his shooting, movement, and tendencies, that's on you. Again, Duncan has been around foreverrrr

[Beastmode88]

Lol dragic shooting himself in the foot again. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[rule1223]

troll thread but ray allens 3 has way bigger impact. Without fishers 0.4 shot, kobe is exactly the same on everyones GOAT list. Without ray allens 3, lebron is the laughing stock of the NBA world, top 20 at best, a one lockout ring wonder, and basically a ruined legacy

[Haymaker]

Allen is fresher in our memory, but Fisher's shot was a stab in the heart. You'd have to be a Spurs fan back then. Lakers and Spurs had an on/off rivalry unlike Heat/Spurs. The Ray Allen shot was unexpected because of the ball falling back into Miami's hands but 0.4 seconds was not supposed to happen, period. The game was practically over and we were only waiting for the clock to run out. If his shot hadn't gone in, spurs would've been 3-1.

[Eric Cartman]

The game after Ray's 3 (game 7) does so much for his legacy. It makes him stand out as one of the greatest game 7 performers in the history of the league.

All wouldn't have been possible without Ray's 3.

[SCdac]

Allen is fresher in our memory, but Fisher's shot was a stab in the heart. You'd have to be a Spurs fan back then. Lakers and Spurs had an on/off rivalry unlike Heat/Spurs. The Ray Allen shot was unexpected because of the ball falling back into Miami's hands but 0.4 seconds was not supposed to happen, period. The game was practically over and we were only waiting for the clock to run out. If his shot hadn't gone in, spurs would've been 3-1.

Yea it was unexpected only because of the sequence of events and looked like SA might win... Ray Allen getting free for a three pointer in the middle of gameplay

[SCdac]

The game after Ray's 3 (game 7) does so much for his legacy. It makes him stand out as one of the greatest game 7 performers in the history of the league.

All wouldn't have been possible without Ray's 3.

Lebron had a sick Game 7 as well. edit: I guess you were referring to Lebron already?

37 points... 5 threes made... 12 boards... 4 assists .. 8-8 FT ... in 45 minutes of action

and The Immortal, it's ironic, I was going to ask you the same shit lol

[SCdac]

Just admit it was a fluke shot.. Duncan is still a top 5 center in my book regardless.

This reach/insecurity you're displaying is making the (by in large) rational Spurs fanbase look bad tbqh.

Except it wasn't a fluke, Duncan is clutch as a mofo and hit plenty of fall away shots..... agree to disagree my man

[Smook A.]

You're easily the biggest dumb**** on this forum.

If Ray Allen's shot didn't go in, Miami wouldn't have won that championship in 2013. If Fisher missed that 0.4 shot, the Lakers would have been down 3-2 but they still would had a chance to win the series. So how THE HELL did that 0.4 shot have a bigger impact?

[Eric Cartman]

Lebron had a sick Game 7 as well. edit: I guess you were referring to Lebron already?

37 points... 5 threes made... 12 boards... 4 assists .. 8-8 FT ... in 45 minutes of action

and The Immortal, it's ironic, I was going to ask you the same shit lol

Yes :bowdown:

[Nowitness]

Just admit it was a fluke shot.. Duncan is still a top 5 center in my book regardless.

This reach/insecurity you're displaying is making the (by in large) rational Spurs fanbase look bad tbqh.

WHat is your top 10 ??

[SCdac]

Even clutch players admit they've had fluke moments..

Hell, even Kobe - a guy that has taken and made some of the most ridiculous shots in NBA history said this shot here LINK (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRS8wmb64XE).. "was the luckiest(fluke) shot I've ever taken, by far," Bryant..

except you just added the word fluke... is Kobe of all players hitting a tough, clutch shot really a fluke in your mind? .. To me, it's not. Kobe IS clutch.. Maybe he saw it as lucky, but you got to put yourself in position to get lucky and every ball player knows that. Kobe said the shot "felt good" despite his doubt... Plus i think you're missing the point altogether.

Fisher's comment about that shot:


“If you want anybody to hit a shot like that you’d rather it be Kobe than anybody else, because that’s what he’s done in the past. Somebody else would’ve hit that shot, this locker room wouldn’t look this way.”

In other words, some people get more "lucky" than others because they're just sick players in general. Top-10 players being top-10 players isn't a revelation or anything.

[dreamwarrior]

It's true. Fisher's game winner should have led to Malone's first ring if Malone hadn't gotten injured.

Ray's shot should have only been a pretty good moment for 30 seconds that would not have mattered in the end, as it was the non-foul call on Bosh's block on Green that truly cost SA the game. If Danny Green had gone to the line for 3 shots like he should have we wouldn't be talking about Ray's shot. Refs gifted the Heat that win

[BoutPractice]

Fisher's was one of the greatest shots of all time... the only thing that's sad about it is that had it not happened, Duncan's shot right before would be remembered as one of the great clutch playoff moments instead.

[mehyaM24]

Fisher's was one of the greatest shots of all time... the only thing that's sad about it is that had it not happened, Duncan's shot right before would be remembered as one of the great clutch playoff moments instead.

OT but are you european?

i've seen quality posts from you regarding the fiba tournament :cheers:

[Smoke117]

It's true. Fisher's game winner should have led to Malone's first ring if Malone hadn't gotten injured.

So a 40 year old healthy Karl Malone was the difference between the 5 game beat down the Lakers got from the Pistons and them winning it all? :facepalm Laker fans.

[L.A. Jazz]

Without this shot Detroit maybe wouldnt be champs. Because a healthy Spurs team could beat them. like a healthy (physically and mentally) Lakers "team".

[BoutPractice]

OT but are you european?

i've seen quality posts from you regarding the fiba tournament :cheers:
French but I don't recall talking about the tournament tbh.