Your opinion of LeBron had he never left Cleveland...

[Kidbasketball20]

Most likely same number of MVP's/All Star appearances
2 Finals appearances
1 Ring




How would his legacy be? I'd respect him a hell of a lot more for sticking in Cleveland the last 4 years and he'd have probably picked up a piece like Dwight had he stayed and won at least 1 ring.

[russwest0]

His legacy would be better no matter how you slice it had he stayed in Cleveland.

Him ditching Miami is basically an admission of that.

[Rake2204]

I thought LeBron James was one of the greatest players of all-time pretty early on in his career. I felt he played the right way and I thought he was most certainly the best player I've ever been able to watch live aside from Michael Jordan. That feeling was clear within his first few years in the league and it was cemented, for me, with his performance against the Pistons in '07.

Championships of not, I knew the affect he had on any and every team he'd ever play for, and that matters more to me than simply wondering, "Did he play on a team that won an NBA championship?" That said, I really enjoyed the Cleveland experience and it would have been a lot of fun to see him stay and win a ring in that city the first time around. I'm glad he's back either way.

[Richesly]

His legacy would be better no matter how you slice it had he stayed in Cleveland.

Him ditching Miami is basically an admission of that.

No way. LeBron, number wise, improved his legacy. That's all that will matter in 20 years.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Most likely same number of MVP's/All Star appearances
2 Finals appearances
1 Ring




How would his legacy be? I'd respect him a hell of a lot more for sticking in Cleveland the last 4 years and he'd have probably picked up a piece like Dwight had he stayed and won at least 1 ring.

Would have stayed in my good graces. I used to watch him a lot because my friend was a huge fan in the mid 2000s.

[SpecialQue]

Still a flopping bitch, but a loyal flopping bitch.

[Rake2204]

No way. LeBron, number wise, improved his legacy. That's all that will matter in 20 years.I think LeBron James is going down as one of the very greatest of all-time, undoubtedly. Had he stayed in Cleveland all those years and not won a ring (2010-2014) and folks held the lack of a ring against him, I feel it would have been an absolute injustice. He still would have been the LeBron James we know now (in terms of skill, ability and effect on games) but just without the Dream Team supporting cast that helps win team games for the past four years.

Either way, his individual greatness will always stand through. However, I do not think history will forget the Miami details. Magic Johnson's early situation with Los Angeles seems to have slipped through the cracks, but I do not think LeBron's will. I don't believe it'll make people not think he's great, but when people look back and say, "Hmm, he left Cleveland and went to Miami for four years before coming back. What was that about?" I think people will pretty readily recall something along the lines of, "Well, he wanted to win so he made a super team for a few years. And he did win... but the built-from-scratch makeover of his new club sort of made at least a couple rings a foregone conclusion. So yeah, it's rings but..." Then hopefully people will all agree he was incredible anyway, so the rings are somewhat moot.

[Hey Yo]

Most likely same number of MVP's/All Star appearances
2 Finals appearances
1 Ring




How would his legacy be? I'd respect him a hell of a lot more for sticking in Cleveland the last 4 years and he'd have probably picked up a piece like Dwight had he stayed and won at least 1 ring.
He'd still have no rings and Cleveland would still have the reputation that no legit UFA has ever signed there.

[ajnapoleon]

I never understood why people put so much pressure on a 24 year old kid he was putting up great numbers. Killing himself doing what he could it was not in the cards. Then you say he choked WTF have you seen those old cavs games he was the only weapon!!! That has to be draining then on top of it they was killing him for not winning a title yet SHM .... What I think was since he knows NBA history he looked back and seen all the great teams had two to three super stars or all stars and he said damn I want to win and my team cannot give me what I need so I'm leaving I gave them all their years on my contract never asked for a trade never in the news for stupid stuff never in trouble with the law the show was wrong but damn I seen him compared with OJ Simpson and mike Tyson and mike Vick ?? I was like damn he is that bad??

[JT123]

Most likely same number of MVP's/All Star appearances
2 Finals appearances
1 Ring




How would his legacy be? I'd respect him a hell of a lot more for sticking in Cleveland the last 4 years and he'd have probably picked up a piece like Dwight had he stayed and won at least 1 ring.
What year would he have won a ring in your opinion? Cause I don't see it.
His Cavs wouldn't beat the 2011 Celtics or Bulls
They wouldn't beat the 2012 Pacers or Celtics
They wouldn't beat the 2013 Pacers, and they for sure would not beat the 2014 Spurs.

If Lebron had stayed in Cleveland he would be known as this generations Karl Malone. Pretty bad for his legacy.

[JT123]

I never understood why people put so much pressure on a 24 year old kid he was putting up great numbers. Killing himself doing what he could it was not in the cards. Then you say he choked WTF have you seen those old cavs games he was the only weapon!!! That has to be draining then on top of it they was killing him for not winning a title yet SHM .... What I think was since he knows NBA history he looked back and seen all the great teams had two to three super stars or all stars and he said damn I want to win and my team cannot give me what I need so I'm leaving I gave them all their years on my contract never asked for a trade never in the news for stupid stuff never in trouble with the law the show was wrong but damn I seen him compared with OJ Simpson and mike Tyson and mike Vick ?? I was like damn he is that bad??
:applause: This man knows what he's talking about. He only feels the need to post about once a year, so you best listen when he does.

[Hey Yo]

I never understood why people put so much pressure on a 24 year old kid he was putting up great numbers. Killing himself doing what he could it was not in the cards. Then you say he choked WTF have you seen those old cavs games he was the only weapon!!! That has to be draining then on top of it they was killing him for not winning a title yet SHM .... What I think was since he knows NBA history he looked back and seen all the great teams had two to three super stars or all stars and he said damn I want to win and my team cannot give me what I need so I'm leaving I gave them all their years on my contract never asked for a trade never in the news for stupid stuff never in trouble with the law the show was wrong but damn I seen him compared with OJ Simpson and mike Tyson and mike Vick ?? I was like damn he is that bad??
Cavs fans had every right to be pissed off. But it's the Kobe, MJ stans etc who ripped him the most for leaving (they still do cause they feel threatened) cause they wanted James to rot in Cleveland with no legit help and finish his career with no rings.

[ajnapoleon]

Cavs fans had every right to be pissed off. But it's the Kobe, MJ stans etc who ripped him the most for leaving (they still do cause they feel threatened) cause they wanted James to rot in Cleveland with no legit help and finish his career with no rings.

Just think if lebron had one of the top 3 rebounders of all time come over as a free agent while having a near triple double player with some of the best defense ever and a great coach on both side is the ball would there be outrage ?......that guy was Jordan ..... Oh I forgot the number 3 best knock down 3 point shooter in history (Kerr) it's amazing

[inclinerator]

Still a flopping bitch, but a loyal flopping bitch.
not really, he only went overboard once he went to miami, i can only recall him flopping once in a cavs uni

he was known to have great balance in cleveland knocking over defenders while remaining on his feet

[Smoke117]

It would be the same as it is now. He was never a player I liked or hated in general and his leaving from one team to another never changed that. Dwade has always been one of my favorite players, so I don't care to see how his career has gone since the "collusion", but I could care less about Lebron. I'm just indifferent.

[Wally450]

What year would he have won a ring in your opinion? Cause I don't see it.
His Cavs wouldn't beat the 2011 Celtics or Bulls
They wouldn't beat the 2012 Pacers or Celtics
They wouldn't beat the 2013 Pacers, and they for sure would not beat the 2014 Spurs.

If Lebron had stayed in Cleveland he would be known as this generations Karl Malone. Pretty bad for his legacy.

This. I don't think he could've won a ring in Cleveland. If he stayed I think at this point people would be bitching for him to leave Cleveland.

[ballinhun8]

Just think if lebron had one of the top 3 rebounders of all time come over as a free agent while having a near triple double player with some of the best defense ever and a great coach on both side is the ball would there be outrage ?......that guy was Jordan ..... Oh I forgot the number 3 best knock down 3 point shooter in history (Kerr) it's amazing


LMFAO!!

What is this? Another alt?? Four posts in almost three years.



Oh, and of course, who do you sound like with the extra exaggerating of MJ's team. And who quotes you of all people to agree.


This is getting truly sad now.

[JT123]

LMFAO!!

What is this? Another alt?? Four posts in almost three years.



Oh, and of course, who do you sound like with the extra exaggerating of MJ's team. And who quotes you of all people to agree.


This is getting truly sad now.
Instead of accusing folks of being alts how about actually contributing to the discussion? :rolleyes:
Can you name a single thing in his post that was untrue? Quit trying to act like Jordan played with scrubs, his Bulls team won 55 games WITHOUT HIM!

[Kidbasketball20]

What year would he have won a ring in your opinion? Cause I don't see it.
His Cavs wouldn't beat the 2011 Celtics or Bulls
They wouldn't beat the 2012 Pacers or Celtics
They wouldn't beat the 2013 Pacers, and they for sure would not beat the 2014 Spurs.

If Lebron had stayed in Cleveland he would be known as this generations Karl Malone. Pretty bad for his legacy.

People need to stop with this idea that no major FA was EVER going to come to the Cavs. He could have EASILY brought another "superstar" to the Cavs and won a ring most likely in 2012 and if not 2013.

[Cocaine80s]

People need to stop with this idea that no major FA was EVER going to come to the Cavs. He could have EASILY brought another "superstar" to the Cavs and won a ring most likely in 2012 and if not 2013.
so who do you think wouldve came to Cleveland?

Players only wanted to follow Lebron when he started winning rings

[mehyaM24]

that teams win championships

as early as 2006, i knew lebron was the greatest all around talent/player in history

[Kidbasketball20]

so who do you think wouldve came to Cleveland?

Players only wanted to follow Lebron when he started winning rings


How is this racist still not banned from ISH :facepalm

[ajnapoleon]

Instead of accusing folks of being alts how about actually contributing to the discussion? :rolleyes:
Can you name a single thing in his post that was untrue? Quit trying to act like Jordan played with scrubs, his Bulls team won 55 games WITHOUT HIM!

I still do not understand how people was slamming a 23-25 years old for not winning a title with the coach he had if you recall mike crown was not good enough for Kobe and no Williams been a damn 7-8 man since he left The cavs. But the almighty Jordan could not win until he was 28 I think....Durant gets a pass and he is 25 and been had a better than lebron ever had. It's just strange that you put him to this strange standard. He did not have the coach or personel or the complete game yet why people don't seem to understand yeah one man teams are cool to watch because that one person can explode and it's great to watch but when that player gets to the playoffs it's all eyes and defense on him and only him because the other team has no one to worry about all I got to do is focus on him and game over but I guess those other players can just sit and watch and hope that guy hit every shot grab every rebound check the other low post player and perimeter player.... For 82 games and playoffs ..... Nah that guy can do it and will not get worn down smh

[kurple]

he might have been my favorite non-nugget in the league

[kurple]

What year would he have won a ring in your opinion? Cause I don't see it.
His Cavs wouldn't beat the 2011 Celtics or Bulls
They wouldn't beat the 2012 Pacers or Celtics
They wouldn't beat the 2013 Pacers, and they for sure would not beat the 2014 Spurs.

If Lebron had stayed in Cleveland he would be known as this generations Karl Malone. Pretty bad for his legacy.
his teams was good enough to win at least one time ala Dirk.

maybe lebron just isnt as good as some people think. he gave up on winning liike a man

[MiseryCityTexas]

A better version of Vince Carter overall player wise that never got a ring. Easily the Best Cav of all time regardless of if he left Cleveland or stayed and was better overall all time over prime Cavs like Mark Price, prime Ron Harper, Lenny Wilkins, Brad Daugherty, Austin Carr, Larry Nance, Jim Chones, Mike Mitchell, Campy Russell...

[Bigsmoke]

We know who Mo Williams really is now.

[Paul George 24]

he will never half as good as jordan :rockon: