Ray Rice KO video

[Godzuki]

http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_ekaflcqq

Goodell is taking so much shit right now for the 2 game suspension by the public and social media. Ray Rice is now the ultimate public villain.

i have him on my fantasy team too :facepalm ....really hope they don't reopen the case and make it harsher but i can see them doing it considering public outcry right now.

[chosen_one6]

http://www.tmz.com/videos/0_ekaflcqq

Goodell is taking so much shit right now for the 2 game suspension by the public and social media. Ray Rice is now the ultimate public villain.

i have him on my fantasy team too :facepalm ....really hope they don't reopen the case and make it harsher but i can see them doing it considering public outcry right now.

I'd like to see all of the woman beater apologists defend this shit. The argument is always "the women shouldn't hit the man" (which is a bunch of f*cking bullshit in the first place) and he CLEARLY hits her first.

Is what she did worth a knockout? Hell no. This shit makes me sick to my stomach. Dude is 3 to 4 times her size in mass and has no regard for her whatsoever.

[highwhey]

Domestic violence is more important than your fantasy team dum dum
This is correct, but you should emphasize that it is only more important than HIS team.

[Godzuki]

Domestic violence is more important than your fantasy team dum dum


ughh no its not.

besides i don't feel sorry for people who can't help themselves. its futile sympathy. i guess she hasn't been married to him long enough to get some of that money :confusedshrug:

[DonDadda59]

That could've ended really badly. The way she hit her head on that railing after getting punched... perfect way to get a serious brain injury or get paralyzed, or die of course.

But good to know she married him, so there's a happy ending :facepalm

[Godzuki]

I'd like to see all of the woman beater apologists defend this shit. The argument is always "the women shouldn't hit the man" (which is a bunch of f*cking bullshit in the first place) and he CLEARLY hits her first.

Is what she did worth a knockout? Hell no. This shit makes me sick to my stomach. Dude is 3 to 4 times her size in mass and has no regard for her whatsoever.

thing that gets me is she didn't leave him. she knows what happened, she even acted like she was at fault some for it at the press conference. why sympathize for her when she can't help herself? thats what annoys me the most in these situations. the victims enable it to happen again oftentimes.

[CelticBaller]

im all for getting rid of a raven, but is it really that serious? the bitch still wit him and defended her man

[JohnFreeman]

Hope he gets proven innocent to piss feminists off

[Lebron23]

He almost killed her.

[chosen_one6]

thing that gets me is she didn't leave him. she knows what happened, she even acted like she was at fault some for it at the press conference. why sympathize for her when she can't help herself? thats what annoys me the most in these situations. the victims enable it to happen again oftentimes.

Because she likely cares more about the money than her well being, and he's also the father of her child so she's likely in love with him.

[Bandito]

thing that gets me is she didn't leave him. she knows what happened, she even acted like she was at fault some for it at the press conference. why sympathize for her when she can't help herself? thats what annoys me the most in these situations. the victims enable it to happen again oftentimes.
it's never the victim's fault dum dum.

[CelticBaller]

Because she likely cares more about the money than her well being, and he's also the father of her child so she's likely in love with him.
So we know who's at fault then

[ace23]

She hit him first and continued to attack him.

Actually, it looks like he spit on her a couple times and that's what caused her to swing both times. Lol why? Fights start over the dumbest shit. :lol

[chosen_one6]

So we know who's at fault then

Those two reasons are not valid for knocking the sh*t out of a woman. :facepalm

[ace23]

She hit him first and continued to attack him.

Actually, it looks like he spit on her a couple times and that's what caused her to swing both times. Lol why? Fights start over the dumbest shit. :lol
Now I'm reading that she allegedly spit on him first, so he did the same in retaliation. ****ing children. :oldlol:

[JohnFreeman]

"we want equal rights for women!"

"you can't hit women!"

"I am a strong independent woman!"

*takes alimony*

[chosen_one6]

"we want equal rights for women!"

"you can't hit women!"

"I am a strong independent woman!"

*takes alimony*

Yes there should be equality in all facets of life, however one thing we can never be equal in is physical size and strength. Men have the power to destroy women on a physical level but that does not mean we should exercise that power whenever we see fit. ESPECIALLY when you're 3 to 4 times larger and stronger than the woman that hits you.

I honestly can't believe there are men that defend this and make excuses for it. It's f*cking sad.

[JohnFreeman]

Men fight wars, we have rights to beat up women

[chosen_one6]

Men fight wars, we have rights to beat up women

Troll

[Akrazotile]

Now I'm reading that she allegedly spit on him first, so he did the same in retaliation. ****ing children. :oldlol:



This.

What an embarrassing "relationship."

[CelticBaller]

Yes there should be equality in all facets of life, however one thing we can never be equal in is physical size and strength. Men have the power to destroy women on a physical level but that does not mean we should exercise that power whenever we see fit. ESPECIALLY when you're 3 to 4 times larger and stronger than the woman that hits you.

I honestly can't believe there are men that defend this and make excuses for it. It's f*cking sad.
She probably likes getting beat, since you know she married him and all

[ace23]

The way the fiancee still marrying Rice anyway after she almost got killed may be the clue that she was wrong too. But Rice chose the wrong option to defense himself. He didn't have a lot of time to choose but it is still wrong.
I'd bet she married for the bread.

[Styles p]

my fantasy team is named Beats By Ray

[TheGreatDeraj]

It's not clear who started the fight at all, but what was clear was a man was trapped in the corner of an elevator,with no where to go, and a raging women charged after him and she was knocked off balanced by a punch and landed into a handrail knocking her out.

We don't know there relationship beforehand. Over 40% of all domestic abuse victims are men.

We do know they both left together and are now married.

[Godzuki]

it's never the victim's fault dum dum.


i hope Sharkisha jumps u one day

[stalkerforlife]

An owner of a team was fined 500,000 and suspended 6 games for a DWI.

Ray Rice nearly kills his fiancee and is suspended 2 games.

:roll:

[Brizzly]

"we want equal rights for women!"

"you can't hit women!"

"I am a strong independent woman!"

*takes alimony*

Dumb ****, alimony is not limited to females only and of course it's illegal to hit a female, just as it is illegal to punch a male.

[stalkerforlife]

If Rice didn't implement a prenuptial agreement, he is asking to be taken to the bank.

Women never forget.

[russwest0]

holy shit, thats a 2 game suspension and getting caught with 16 milograms of weed in your system is a whole year suspension?

goodell is fukking retarded lmao

[Rake2204]

I have not followed this case closely. What did Ray Rice say to the first person who happened upon the scene? Did he disclose that he'd just knocked her out? Or did he try to pass it off as a case of her being intoxicated or something?

[~primetime~]

rumors going around that Raven may release Ray Rice now

[SCREWstonRockets]

That could've ended really badly. The way she hit her head on that railing after getting punched... perfect way to get a serious brain injury or get paralyzed, or die of course.

But good to know she married him, so there's a happy ending :facepalm

Of course she married him. She got a taste of that NFL lifestyle and she ain't going back to some regular dude. :hammerhead:

[Godzuki]

unless Ray Rice lied to them which i don't think he did, they shouldn't renig on their initial punishment. granted the Ravens and NFL are taking a public beating right now, maybe even worse then Vick with the animal lovers, but seeing it happen shouldn't change their punishment from knowing what happened....unless he lied.

from the press conference it sounded like they all knew he hit her tho and he apologized rather sincerely for it. the wave of the public/social media is so powerful these dayss tho.

fukk my fantasy team luck :facepalm

[~primetime~]

Pathetic that they only do it after the video comes out
Naw...now that it is out for all to see they should do what they can to detach themselves from that image.

No reason to stick by his side just to save face about their choice pre-video.

[ThePhantomCreep]

The victim-blaming in this thread. :facepalm

[SCREWstonRockets]

my fantasy team is named Beats By Ray


:oldlol: you win sir

[KNOW1EDGE]

Chivalry or equal rights. Pick one, ladies.

But Ray Rice is a scumbag, who does that? It's extremely sad that the female cares more about money than her well being and the well being of her children

[CJ Mustard]

Can't wait for the Jim Ross version.

[~primetime~]

Chivalry or equal rights. Pick one, ladies.

But Ray Rice is a scumbag, who does that? It's extremely sad that the female cares more about money than her well being and the well being of her children
pick one ladies?...have ladies had any say in this?

more like pick one "men"...

honestly had he knocked out his gay male lover the same way it should go punished...we can give women "equal rights" without turning a blind eye when they get beat up but physically superior men...

[Godzuki]

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/09/08/0902-big-black-ray-rice-3.jpg

Fantasy Factory" star Big Black says people need to stop bashing Ray Rice for violently punching his fiance Janay Palmer in the face ... claiming if she forgave him, everyone else should too.

Christopher Boykin -- aka Big Black -- launched his defense of Rice in response to ESPN's Michelle Beadle ... who's been blasting Rice and the NFL ever since we published the video this morning.

Boykin tweeted to Beadle, "She married him move on" ... adding, "Had she hired Mayweather's ex attorney & stood her ground this would be news but she didn't she supported & married him."

Beadle fired back saying, "Sadly, yes she did. And her reasons are probably sound in her mind. Probably used to it. Doesn't matter to me though. Criminal."

As we previously reported, Janay married Ray one month after the incident.


he's got a point.

and why doesn't Mayweather get more shit than this? he's done it a lot and threatened to kill her and his kids. Beadle is probably all tight with Mayweather too i bet.

[Jailblazers7]

pick one ladies?...have ladies had any say in this?

more like pick one "men"...

honestly had he knocked out his gay male lover the same way it should go punished...we can give women "equal rights" without turning a blind eye when they get beat up but physically superior men...

lol yeah, equal rights doesn't mean you have the equal right of getting your ass whooped with no consequences. I'll be sure to tell every woman walking behind me at work today that they either have to choose between me holding the door for them or me punching them in the jaw.

[NumberSix]

Absolutely despicable. Anyone remotely defending this Piece of shit needs to seriously reevaluate what the hell you're thinking.

I gave this story plenty of leeway. I said "we don't know what happened yet". Now we do. There is no ambiguity. This guy is a savage.

[Godzuki]

i hope all of u hate Mayweather more than Rice considering he's done it more than once, threatened his kids, and his hands are technically lethal weapons. really hope none of u hating on Rice are Mayweather fans.

[SCREWstonRockets]

i hope all of u hate Mayweather more than Rice considering he's done it more than once, threatened his kids, and his hands are technically lethal weapons. really hope none of u hating on Rice are Mayweather fans.

You really think this is Ray Rice's first time? If you are comfortable enough to two piece your wife in public, you've done this before. This isn't his first rodeo.

I'm not excusing Mayweather, hes a dick for that too, but is there a video of him knocking out his girl, like he did Victor Ortiz? And people give Mayweather shit about that all the time. This is a bigger story because of the video and well, NFL is huge here.

[Fudge]

Ravens just released him. Damn.

[dazzer87]

Wow so it was a 2 games before the video came out.........

After video "The Ravens have terminated Ray Rice's contract"

TMZ just ruined this dude career......:roll:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11489134/baltimore-ravens-cut-ray-rice-new-video-surfaces

[Sarcastic]

Damn, that's messed up. He doesn't deserve to lose his whole career over a drunken punch. They should have just extended the suspension.

[dazzer87]

Well NFL cant ban his ass for life ( Double Jeopardy). He should lay low for about a yr get pick up by another team..

[~primetime~]

:applause: Good job Ravens

better late than never


maybe someone will sign him next year

[Akrazotile]

It looks like he spits at her before they get in the elevator, he spits at her again IN the elevator, and thats when she attempts to step up to him and he then cracks her in the temple. It looks terribly incriminating and shameful for him. The video appears to show him being both the provoker, and then assaulter.


As a fan who does not know them, I honestly dont really care nor do I think its my place to call for any particular consequences. Thats between him, his wife (smh), the law and the league. Too many fans love getting on their soapboxes and throwing stones from their glass houses, proclaiming what needs to happen to some stranger. Fans think of players as video game pieces to be controlled and manipulated rather than regular flawed people, and I dont like that.

However, if I were the Ravens ownership, Id have released him too. But as a general football fan, its honestly not my business. I dont go into local courtrooms and try to play judge, its silly to do so in this case just bc I feel like I somehow know the guy bc he plays football. People love to use public figures as a means to spout off elitist moral drivel to make themselves sound righteous. Everyone wants context and forgiveness for their own mistakes but quickly skewer any celebrity or public figure when its convenient. Its hypocritical and I dont much care for that.

[gts]

and why doesn't Mayweather get more shit than this? he's done it a lot and threatened to kill her and his kids. Beadle is probably all tight with Mayweather too i bet.

Mayweather is in a different sport with different handlers can't compare the two

that being said didn't Mayweather do jail time for his last go round?

[Jailblazers7]

Ray Rice with the single greatest loss ever at a casino. Dude walked into the casino and lost his career.

[~primetime~]

Ray Rice with the single greatest loss ever at a casino. Dude walked into the casino and lost his career.
:lol


That still is probably a far cry from greatest loss ever at a casino though...people have lost everything they own at casinos

[Akrazotile]

Ray Rice with the single greatest loss ever at a casino. Dude walked into the casino and lost his career.


He'll play again, some team will play the everyone-deserves-second-chances card in due time, the question is will he ever put up numbers again considering how lucky he was that the Ravens o-line made him look better than he really is.

[Akrazotile]

:lol


That still is probably a far cry from greatest loss ever at a casino though...people have lost everything they own at casinos


Given his judgement it wouldnt surprise me to find hes already in tons of debt from casino excursions.

[Godzuki]

Mayweather is in a different sport with different handlers can't compare the two

that being said didn't Mayweather do jail time for his last go round?


thats the think i don't think is right since they're both American sports, and one is being judged by social media/public outcry while the other gets no judgement ever it seems. like boxing is where the inmates get to run the asylum i guess, its just messed up how the public focus doesn't go there but does to the NFL most of all. NBA and MLB don't seem to get as scrutinized as NFL either but maybe that proves NFL is America's sport.

i'm not sure about Mayweathers jail time. its just messed up to me how outraged poeple are over a man hitting a woman with Ray Rice but aren't as outraged in other cases.

[Godzuki]

He'll play again, some team will play the everyone-deserves-second-chances card in due time, the question is will he ever put up numbers again considering how lucky he was that the Ravens o-line made him look better than he really is.


maybe CFL, not sure if a NFL team will touch him until he serves his penance like Vick did. it took like 2-3~ years for Vick to get back into the NFL i think once the outrage died down, with this you'd think women would hold a lot more of a vendetta.

Ray Rice was one of the teams hardest workers since he came into the league, thats why veterans always backed him. he was a very character guy until this incident.

[L.Kizzle]

Ray Rice with the single greatest loss ever at a casino. Dude walked into the casino and lost his career.
Tupac Shakur says hi.

[ace23]

Tupac Shakur says hi.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Godzuki]

on a side note i can see his wife leaving him really soon. his income just took a huge nosedive, she probably hasn't seen the footage or knows exactly what happened to her other than being KO'd, and her family/friends are probably pushing her to leave him. plus he's the biggest villain in America right now, this is all over front pages.

i'd say like 90% chance she leaves him now.

[L.Kizzle]

on a side note i can see his wife leaving him really soon. his income just took a huge nosedive, she probably hasn't seen the footage or knows exactly what happened to her other than being KO'd, and her family/friends are probably pushing her to leave him. plus he's the biggest villain in America right now, this is all over front pages.

i'd say like 90% chance she leaves him now.
Not if Ray Rice gets his boy Ray Lewis to do what he do.

[Charlie Sheen]

Can't wait for the Jim Ross version.

http://youtu.be/ZsIs-6Fq7GY

[~primetime~]

Tupac Shakur says hi.
:oldlol:

[Jailblazers7]

:lol true forgot about Tupac

[L.Kizzle]

http://youtu.be/ZsIs-6Fq7GY
Technology ...

[Charlie Sheen]

http://www.nflshop.com/Baltimore_Ravens_Gear/Ray_Rice_Baltimore_Ravens_Womens_Draft_Him_Shimmer _V-Neck_T-Shirt_-_Pink

someone over at the league office forgot to get these pulled :roll:

[~primetime~]

speaking of TMZ/Pac

they also got these pics:

http://www.guns.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/suge-knight-bullet-wounds-with-numbers-02-480w-1.jpg

^^^ That's Suge Knight's belly with 5 bullett holes in it from his latest shooting


http://ll-media.tmz.com/2014/09/05/0905-suge-knight-akm-gsi-1200x630.jpg

^^^ that is Suge today, running errands...:wtf:

dude can't be killed


(didn't want to make a thread for this)

[L.Kizzle]

http://www.nflshop.com/Baltimore_Ravens_Gear/Ray_Rice_Baltimore_Ravens_Womens_Draft_Him_Shimmer _V-Neck_T-Shirt_-_Pink

someone over at the league office forgot to get these pulled :roll:
Chris Brown fans will pick those up.

[Godzuki]

http://www.nflshop.com/Baltimore_Ravens_Gear/Ray_Rice_Baltimore_Ravens_Womens_Draft_Him_Shimmer _V-Neck_T-Shirt_-_Pink

someone over at the league office forgot to get these pulled :roll:


would've been awesome if they sold them in 'wife beaters' :lol

[ROCSteady]

Pathetic that they only do it after the video comes out

:applause:

[bdreason]

Exactly what I thought happened. I don't understand what people thought happened in that elevator.

[Akrazotile]

Tupac Shakur says hi.


:lebronamazed: oh snap :applause:

[KNOW1EDGE]

Chris Brown would be jealous of that K.O

Sadly, the NFL will tolerate domestic abuse but not recreational drug use.

And everyone knew exactly what happened, this video is not news or any sort of update to the story. It's just now the public is even more outraged and Goodell is trying to save face.

NFL is a disgrace

[Nick Young]

Technically sehe did hit him first, and then continued to come after him right before the KO blow.

Is he allowed to claim self defense, or will that be thrown out of court because of gender inequality in USA law?

[hawke812]

I'd like to see all of the woman beater apologists defend this shit. The argument is always "the women shouldn't hit the man" (which is a bunch of f*cking bullshit in the first place) and he CLEARLY hits her first.

Is what she did worth a knockout? Hell no. This shit makes me sick to my stomach. Dude is 3 to 4 times her size in mass and has no regard for her whatsoever.

Did you even watch the video with your eyes???

1. She slaps him before getting on the elevator
2. She elbows and/or forearms him in the face
3. He pushes her away, then he steps back. She then charges him. That is when he checks her.

I could not be as patient as ray ray. It was self defense. Why do you think she married him instead of pressing charges? Because she knows she is wrong.

[Akrazotile]

Exactly what I thought happened. I don't understand what people thought happened in that elevator.



Without the video I think there was at least the possibility of her being the instigator and provoking him to go off, and he was being given the benefit of the doubt.

But the video shows him goading her the whole way and when she responds he rocks her.


Personally I dont blame the team for adjusting their stance accordingly.

[L.Kizzle]

Technically sehe did hit him first, and then continued to come after him right before the KO blow.

Is he allowed to claim self defense, or will that be thrown out of court because of gender inequality in USA law?
Self Defense from his fianc

[ace23]

Did you even watch the video with your eyes???

1. She slaps him before getting on the elevator
2. She elbows and/or forearms him in the face
3. He pushes her away, then he steps back. She then charges him. That is when he checks her.

I could not be as patient as ray ray. It was self defense. Why do you think she married him instead of pressing charges? Because she knows she is wrong.
Yeah this is the biggest detail I got from the video. I don't understand the outrage. Don't attack people who will whoop your ass with ease. :confusedshrug:

It's difficult to tell who exactly was instigating without audio, but we can be sure that this woman charged Ray.

[Akrazotile]

Did you even watch the video with your eyes???

1. She slaps him before getting on the elevator
2. She elbows and/or forearms him in the face
3. He pushes her away, then he steps back. She then charges him. That is when he checks her.

I could not be as patient as ray ray. It was self defense. Why do you think she married him instead of pressing charges? Because she knows she is wrong.


He spits on her as she walks by him in the lobby, prompting a light back hand.

As soon as they get in the elevator he spits on her again.



Theres no question that in the video Rice was the instigator the whole way. Spitting is even considered assualt in the eyes of the law.

[Nick Young]

Did you even watch the video with your eyes???

1. She slaps him before getting on the elevator
2. She elbows and/or forearms him in the face
3. He pushes her away, then he steps back. She then charges him. That is when he checks her.

I could not be as patient as ray ray. It was self defense. Why do you think she married him instead of pressing charges? Because she knows she is wrong.
Technically it is self defense, but I think no jury will give it to him.

She did start the physicality, and did keep coming after he tried to back away, but I dont think any jury will let him walk. Also even tho the woman is in the wrong and started the violence, I feel bad for her watching her get clocked like that.

[Nick Young]

[QUOTE=L.Kizzle]Self Defense from his fianc

[hawke812]

Without the video I think there was at least the possibility of her being the instigator and provoking him to go off, and he was being given the benefit of the doubt.

But the video shows him goading her the whole way and when she responds he rocks her.


Personally I dont blame the team for adjusting their stance accordingly.

Where does it show that??? She even admitted fault:confusedshrug:

[DukeDelonte13]

Technically it is self defense, but I think no jury will give it to him.

She did start the physicality, and did keep coming after he tried to back away, but I dont think any jury will let him walk. Also even tho the woman is in the wrong and started the violence, I feel bad for her watching her get clocked like that.


no it's not.

It's just straight up DV.

[Nick Young]

no it's not.

It's just straight up DV.
She started the physical violence. He responded to an elbow by pushing her away and backing away. Then she charges him.

What is he allowed to do in this situation to protect himself without it being considered assault on his part? If genders were reversed, and she had KOed Ray Rice after he rushed her, would the response have been considered self defense?

[32jazz]

Exactly what I thought happened. I don't understand what people thought happened in that elevator.


No one knew because they hadn't seen it.

I wondered whether this was some Solange Knowles type drunken attack(kick to groin , scratching, punching,etc..) & he perhaps shoved her or smacked her(Not a Mayweather closed fist 'check hook' to the face though).


Since both were initially charged & alcohol was involved most didn't know whether this woman was as much passed out/drunk or knocked out .

I have seen that same scenario of passed out drunk men & women being carried out of parties, bars, hotels,etc..... by friends/companions. The way Rice callously drags her & manipulates her with his feet like a sack of potatoes I actually wondered whether she was more drunk than knocked out.

The video cleared things up because Ray Rice & his girlfriend/ wife certainly didn't.

[L.Kizzle]

well, does the law expect him to just let her smack at him with no response? What is he allowed to do in the eyes of the law?

She hit him first, he pushed her away and backed away, she charged him and hit him again-what was he allowed to do? Even if he had held her arms back, wouldn't that be considered assault too? Are men just expected to tank hits in the eyes of the law, even when the woman starts the attack and refuses to let up?
Lol all he has to do is grab her.

doesn't matter that she hit him pretty sure it has no effect on him. i know for NFL terms he's small but he's bigger than his wife. Unless she has an object that threatens his well being or if the woman is much larger than the guy should you defend yourself.

[DukeDelonte13]

well, does the law expect him to just let her smack at him with no response? What is he allowed to do in the eyes of the law?

She hit him first, he pushed her away and backed away, she charged him and hit him again-what was he allowed to do? Even if he had held her arms back, wouldn't that be considered assault too? Are men just expected to tank hits in the eyes of the law, even when the woman starts the attack and refuses to let up?


Yes. That's exactly what the law wants you to do. Actually they want you to call the police and report it.

You can't really plug and play self defense. Self defense in a murder, versus a felonious assault, versus a rape etc., compared to a situation where your wife is getting in your face and smacking you? the context is totally different.


EDIT: in ohio, for example, the Defendant must show (1) he was not at fault in creating the situation, (2) he reasonably believed that some force was necessary to defend himself against the imminent use of unlawful force, and (3) the force used was not likely to cause death or great bodily harm.

thats ripped right out of some 2006 case, the standard can vary slightly, but the big ones are you didn't start it and you had a REASONABLE belief that what you did was necessary.

[Nick Young]

Lol all he has to do is grab her.

doesn't matter that she hit him pretty sure it has no effect on him. i know for NFL terms he's small but he's bigger than his wife. Unless she has an object that threatens his well being or if the woman is much larger than the guy should you defend yourself.
So women are just allowed to hit men relentlessly with no punishment to themselves in the eyes of the law?:confusedshrug:

[KNOW1EDGE]

OMG the logic in this thread is priceless. God bless you ISH

"What was Ray Rice supposed to do? He was being brutally attacked by someone twice his size. He did what he had to do. Ray was fighting for his life. You saw the way she came at him, what's he supposed to do? Walk away? Dodge her? Move? No, he has the right to punch her in the face and knock her out cold, then drag her out an elevator. It's self defense"

God damn1t I love ISH!

[KNOW1EDGE]

So women are just allowed to hit men relentlessly with no punishment to themselves in the eyes of the law?:confusedshrug:

Yeah dude, she was beating the f*ck out of him. He was in over his head. She gave him no choice but to knock her out. He's not a pro athlete, he couldnt have evaded her, or even pushed her away, or respectfully restrained her, he HAD to knock her the f*ck out.

Dat logic doe.

I've worked in group homes with kids bigger and stronger than me and when they assault me I don't knock them out. I restrain them. Go figure huh? I care aboUT people, crazy.

[L.Kizzle]

So women are just allowed to hit men relentlessly with no punishment to themselves in the eyes of the law?:confusedshrug
If you as a man feels threatened by a woman that says more about you then the female. Especially in that situation. Now if a woman has a height and weight advantage that's a different scenario.

[Nick Young]

OMG the logic in this thread is priceless. God bless you ISH

"What was Ray Rice supposed to do? He was being brutally attacked by someone twice his size. He did what he had to do. Ray was fighting for his life. You saw the way she came at him, what's he supposed to do? Walk away? Dodge her? Move? No, he has the right to punch her in the face and knock her out cold, then drag her out an elevator. It's self defense"

God damn1t I love ISH!
Does the law account for physical size difference like this? So if you are smaller you are allowed to fight back in self defense, if you are larger you are expected to take the hits with no response?

If Ray's wife was physically larger then him, would Ray's response have been considered self defense in the eyes of the law?

If genders were reversed, would (female) Ray Rice's response have been justified in the eyes of the law?

[Nick Young]

If you as a man feels threatened by a woman that says more about you then the female. Especially in that situation. Now if a woman has a height and weight advantage that's a different scenario.
Arent men and women equals? By your logic, you and the law consider women inferior to men. I thought men and women were equals.

[L.Kizzle]

Arent men and women equals? By your logic, you and the law consider women inferior to men. I thought men and women were equals.
:coleman:

I shouldn't even have to explain this one.

[TheMan]

A few things...she went at him first, dude is standing his ground and she get's up on his grill so he took a swing at her. If she didn't get all jumpy on him, I doubt he would've hit her. I'm not condoning hitting women but sometimes they do get aggresive and in your face and they do actually hit guys, anyone who's ever been in a relationship with an aggressive female knows this. The proper thing is to grab them and let them cool off, it was wrong of him to punch her out, no doubt about that but to act like she dosen't deserve any blame for her actions is pure white knight shit of the highest order. The fact that she still married this guy also shows that she is either not afraid of him and she probably knows she provoked him or is in it for the money, doesn't speak well for her in either case.

Stop being white knights, women should carry some responsibility if they get smacked around if they provoke and or physically assault a man. And like I said, it was wrong for him to hit her but she did take a swing at him. Losing a career over this is too extreme when you consider all the particulars and I bet she's going to defend him publicly which is going to make feminists go crazy:oldlol:

[32jazz]

Lol all he has to do is grab her.

doesn't matter that she hit him pretty sure it has no effect on him. i know for NFL terms he's small but he's bigger than his wife. Unless she has an object that threatens his well being or if the woman is much larger than the guy should you defend yourself.

One must be careful about just 'grabbing' a woman as well because you leave scratches on her arms that's 'her proof' that you attacked her & dragged her around/manhandling her .


I actually left my own house after threatening to call the police on an angry ex who would not leave. I hate calling the police & I simply left her AT MY House.

My sisters laughed & called me a p**sy because I didn't physically throw her out & threatened to call the cops.

Had I grabbed & her & perhaps given her incidental bruises/ scratches she could have claimed that as evidence of abuse on my part. It happens.

She left after an hour or so, but I came home to see my door left wide open.

[2LeTTeRS]

To be honest hes lucky she's alive -- this looks eerily similar to the scene in He Got Game where Jesus' mother died.

[KNOW1EDGE]

If genders were reversed, would (female) Ray Rice's response have been justified in the eyes of the law?

It's not about being male or female, it's about justifying your actions. He was not justified and had no reason to knock her out.

Just like if the roles were reversed, she would have no reason to knock him out.

If a f*cking toddler slaps you is it acceptable to knock them out? Or would you find a more appropriate response?

If your wife is angry at you and rushes you are you gonna knock her out? Or do you care about her?

Edit: I haven't seen anyone defending the woman. She is an idiot, no doubt. The topic of conversation is Ray Rice's actions not his wife's stupidity. She is a gold digger with low self esteem. Happy now ish?

[Nick Young]

A few things...she went at him first, dude is standing his ground and she get's up on his grill so he took a swing at her. If she didn't get all jumpy on him, I doubt he would've hit her. I'm not condoning hitting women but sometimes they do get aggresive and in your face and they do actually hit guys, anyone who's ever been in a relationship with an aggressive female knows this. The proper thing is to grab them and let them cool off, it was wrong of him to punch her out, no doubt about that but to act like she dosen't deserve any blame for her actions is pure white knight shit of the highest order. The fact that she still married this guy also shows that she is either not afraid of him and she probably knows she provoked him or is in it for the money, doesn't speak well for her in either case.

Stop being white knights, women should carry some responsibility if they get smaked around if they provoke and or physically assault a man. And like I said, it was wrong for him to hit her but she did take a swing at him. Losing a career over this is too extreme when you consider all the particulars and I bet she's going to defend him publicly which is going to make feminists go crazy:oldlol:
Thats what Im saying, both are in the wrong but she started this shit. She initiated the domestic violence, and charged him and got in his face after he initially tried to push her away.

[Nick Young]

It's not about being male or female, it's about justifying your actions. He was not justified and had no reason to knock her out.

Just like if the roles were reversed, she would have no reason to knock him out.

If a f*cking toddler slaps you is it acceptable to knock them out? Or would you find a more appropriate response?

If your wife is angry at you and rushes you are you gonna knock her out? Or do you care about her?
She wasn't just 'angry' at him tho was she-she was smacking him around.

Are smaller partners allowed to initiate violence in your eyes?

If I ever do get married, and Im not planning on it, I would not marry someone who smacks me around and initiates violence against me.

[KNOW1EDGE]

So Ray Rice is the victim here?

He was being "smacked around" and responded appropriately?

[9erempiree]

She initiated the incident. You guys are going to tell me that someone can invade my space and attack me after I have pushed them away? I don't condone people to beat up on women for no reasons but there was a reason here and hopefully this incident will raise awareness with women on not what to do.

[~primetime~]

She initiated the incident. You guys are going to tell me that someone can invade my space and attack me after I have pushed them away? I don't condone people to beat up on women for no reasons but there was a reason here and hopefully this incident will raise awareness with women on not what to do.
how are you not banned?

[32jazz]

So Ray Rice is the victim here?

He was being "smacked around" and responded appropriately?

I agree. That's absurd. She basically swats him away as if saying 'don't touch me' after Ray lunges or disgustingly spits at her.

This was no Solange Knowles type attack & its obvious Rice is the instigator /agressor.

Absolutely no reason for the closed fist check hook on your fiancee even if she were going Solange on him.


Janay Rice has nice creamy thighs by the way.

[Nick Young]

So Ray Rice is the victim here?

He was being "smacked around" and responded appropriately?
No, but he did not just aggressively smack her out of nowhere and the woman is not an innocent victim like this situation is made out to be. BOTH ARE EQUALLY IN THE WRONG. If she did not initiate violence, and continue to initiate violence after being pushed away, he would not have KO punched her.

Stop being a white knight. She got herself into this situation and initiated it. She is in the wrong too.
You don't know what happened to Ray Rice growing up. He might have had abusive parents who smacked him around his whole life, and he might have never dealt with these issues. This woman is not a victim. She initiated the violence, and initiated the first physical blows. Victims don't do that.

[L.Kizzle]

She wasn't just 'angry' at him tho was she-she was smacking him around.

Are smaller partners allowed to initiate violence in your eyes?

If I ever do get married, and Im not planning on it, I would not marry someone who smacks me around and initiates violence against me.
I've never felt threatened by a woman in my life. I've had arguments with them 2 have gotten I n my face and put that finger on my face forhead lol. I didn't go Tyson in 88 on them. Why cause I was threatened or felt scared for my life. Both chicks were different sizes. The smaller one I did nothing and the larger one I grab her.

Rice is a football player. He practices getting hit dailey by guys twice his size and 3 times his wifes. I guess he feared for his life so he decked her.

[KNOW1EDGE]

This woman is not a victim

This is why no one takes you seriously. FYI

[Godzuki]

it sux but men always get the short end of the stick in society. they can get accused of rape and be treated like they're guilty before trial by all of the women's groups. its the way society is, the women's groups are men haters and so are a lot of feminists. men don't have stuff like that.

just recently there was a guy in some band who got accused of rape by a fan, lost his $1mill record deal, turns out she made it up but she didn't get charged since it was part of the plea deal not to charge her for confessing she made it up to the public.

Duke lacrosse players accuser never got charged, despite ruining their lives with racist death threats and humiliation, not being able to go out in public for at least a year~ i'm sure she got off as part of the plea deal for her to come clean and clear their names.

females are overly protected while men are generally condemned before court of trial. but again a lot of it is based on the women's groups and PC mentality of society. females can be evil as fukk too, and really vindictive/mentally unstable especially in their younger years, so its pretty messed up how that all works.

[9erempiree]

I've never felt threatened by a woman in my life. I've had arguments with them 2 have gotten I n my face and put that finger on my face forhead lol. I didn't go Tyson in 88 on them. Why cause I was threatened or felt scared for my life. Both chicks were different sizes. The smaller one I did nothing and the larger one I grab her.

Rice is a football player. He practices getting hit dailey by guys twice his size and 3 times his wifes. I guess he feared for his life so he decked her.
:facepalm

"Feared for life" argument is used when arguing about people carrying guns and when the deadly force should be used to defend yourself.

We don't need the leftists to tell us that we can't use our fists now because our life wasn't threatened.

What's next? We can't stare at them -or- undress them with our eyes.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I agree with all that Godzuki.

But it has no relevance to the Ray Rice case. He DID knock her out, this isn't a false accusation.

[TheMan]

I myself have never hit a woman, I'm totally against that. My father was a decent man but he had a problem with alcohol and he hit my mother only once but I can still remember that incident vividly. It marked me for life therefore I know I'll never hit a female although women just know how to push your buttons:oldlol: The few times I've gotten into really heated arguments with my wife, I'll basically just huff and puff and leave the house. Just let the situation cool off.

My brother on the other hand, he's also adamant about not hitting women but his ex-fianc

[9erempiree]

[QUOTE=TheMan]

My brother on the other hand, he's also adamant about not hitting women but his ex-fianc

[L.Kizzle]

This is the biggest reason why men should defend themselves. I am glad this video surfaced and is prime example of what women should not do. Your brother's experience should open many people's eyes.

A woman may not overpower us but once they hit us and see that it does nothing. They will start using objects and gradually upgrade their weapon to baseball bat. After baseball bat, it will probably be a sword or gun.

Do you see what happens if we just stand there and let them hit us? It is allowing them to behave violently.
Well you shouldn't stay with anyone that hits you.

[oh the horror]

This is the biggest reason why men should defend themselves. I am glad this video surfaced and is prime example of what women should not do. Your brother's experience should open many people's eyes.

A woman may not overpower us but once they hit us and see that it does nothing. They will start using objects and gradually upgrade their weapon to baseball bat. After baseball bat, it will probably be a sword or gun.

Do you see what happens if we just stand there and let them hit us? It is allowing them to behave violently.



Then what do you suggest from men in these cases?



Because I've noticed more and more women are getting verrrrrrry bold in regards to how they step to men since we "aren't supposed to hit them". Meanwhile they're crackin dudes in the face, jumping on them etc.



I'm sorry fellas but there IS a f*cking limit.

[9erempiree]

Then what do you suggest from men in these cases?



Because I've noticed more and more women are getting verrrrrrry bold in regards to how they step to men since we "aren't supposed to hit them". Meanwhile they're crackin dudes in the face, jumping on them etc.



I'm sorry fellas but there IS a f*cking limit.

I am glad you see the big picture.

[Nick Young]

Then what do you suggest from men in these cases?



Because I've noticed more and more women are getting verrrrrrry bold in regards to how they step to men since we "aren't supposed to hit them". Meanwhile they're crackin dudes in the face, jumping on them etc.



I'm sorry fellas but there IS a f*cking limit.
Forreal. If women want to be treated as equals, the law has to treat them as equals as well. This woman initiated violence, and started the violence, and kept going with the violence. But in the eyes of the white knight PC media, she is an innocent little rose petal victim.

Basically the message is that domestic violence from a woman is just a cute little blurp, and should be accepted by men until the woman calms down, and women are allowed to do what they want because they're smaller and 'pose no threat'. If a man defends himself, or responds, he is an irredeemable monster.

That is what the media and national law are saying to all men and women.

JUST WATCH THIS VIDEO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks

This attitude disgusts me.

[~primetime~]

Then what do you suggest from men in these cases?



Because I've noticed more and more women are getting verrrrrrry bold in regards to how they step to men since we "aren't supposed to hit them". Meanwhile they're crackin dudes in the face, jumping on them etc.



I'm sorry fellas but there IS a f*cking limit.
If a woman fcks with you then walk away....

If you can't walk away then hold her down...I've done that before

no reason to ever hit a woman, even if they hit you...

if your GF is an annoying **** then leave her...

[~primetime~]

Jay-Z did what you're supposed to do...RR should have taken notes from him

[Nick Young]

Jay-Z did what you're supposed to do...RR should have taken notes from him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks

Look at this, people walking by and laughing, and cheering it on:facepalm

Because they all assume the man 'deserved it'.

Bullshit.

[Meticode]

I'd bet she married for the bread.
That's the only thing that makes sense to me. They have no kids. She probably knew if she left him she'd be not as well off anymore and would have to work. Why else stay with an abuser that cold cocks you like that?

[9erempiree]

Women know they can't hurt us so by hitting us, is to provoke a reaction, not to the violence, but a reaction to what the argument was about. By giving them no reaction when being attacked, it will make them think about using objects.

Kind of like letting the little brother punch me and when he sees that it doesn't hurt me, he will then use a stick or start throwing objects.

First and foremost, it needs to start at an early age. Females should be given proper education on not what to do to someone bigger and stronger than you.
Basic common sense.

We are not going to pick a fight with a guy that is bigger than us, so women should not do it either.

[DonDadda59]

:oldlol: @ dudes in here defending a 200 lb professional athlete who gets hit by 300-lbs professional athletes daily, throwing a Pacquiao left hook at a 100 lb woman.

You mean to tell me that was his only available recourse in that situation? Really? He benches and squats 4-5X what she weighs, literally. But knocking her out cold and possibly paralyzing, killing her was the right way to handle that?

Seriously?

[Nick Young]

Women know they can't hurt us so by hitting us, is to provoke a reaction, not to the violence, but a reaction to what the argument was about. By giving them no reaction when being attacked, it will make them think about using objects.

Kind of like letting the little brother punch me and when he sees that it doesn't hurt me, he will then use a stick or start throwing objects.

First and foremost, it needs to start at an early age. Females should be given proper education on not what to do to someone bigger and stronger than you.
Basic common sense.

We are not going to pick a fight with a guy that is bigger than us, so women should not do it either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks
"good for her. You go girl"
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[christian1923]

:oldlol: @ dudes in here defending a 200 lb professional athlete who gets hit by 300-lbs professional athletes daily, throwing a Pacquiao left hook at a 100 lb woman.

You mean to tell me that was his only available recourse in that situation? Really? He benches and squats 4-5X what she weighs, literally. But knocking her out cold and possibly paralyzing, killing her was the right way to handle that?

Seriously?
We all do dumb shit when we're fvxked up. People gotta stop judging and acting like they're perfect.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Is EVERY Kobe fan around here a trolling dipshit? I'm ashamed to be one right now. :facepalm

[KNOW1EDGE]

There was nothing he could have done.

She forced him to follow her into the elevator after he was brutally attacked by her.

And then she brutally attacked him in the elevator. He was outmatched, she was too powerful for him, he was fighting for his life. He's just supposed to let her kill him? Just cuz she's a woman? He did the right thing, he had only 1 option, punch her in the face and drag her out the elevator

[KingBeasley08]

I agree with Nick when a dude is in danger. If a chick is trying to kill me, I'm gonna knock her the fck out. But in this video, Rice was isn't in any danger at all and threw a punch out of anger. That's fcked up

[Akrazotile]

If a woman fcks with you then walk away....

If you can't walk away then hold her down...I've done that before

no reason to ever hit a woman, even if they hit you...

if your GF is an annoying **** then leave her...


I disagree with the first and agree with the second. You should never get to the point in a relationship where you're regularly being provoked to strike a woman. You should have already left. However if a woman hits you? There is absolutely no obligation for a man to sit there and be a punching bag.


What if you're a 6'4 beefy dude and some 5'8 scrawny dude comes up pushing you and swinging? You're supposed to just "take" abuse from someone because theirs isn't as dangerous as yours? It's ok to hit a smaller guy but it's not okay to hit a woman?

That bullshit in my book. Do unto others as you would have done to you. If a woman calls you a name, you can call her a name. If she slaps you open hand, you can return an open hand. If she's flat out trying to sock you hard with a fist, that is a flat out initiation of a fight. No man is obligated to sit and take it. Why?? Says who??? Do what you feel is necessary to defend yourself. Don't be a fukcing sucker just because a bunch of white knights out there preach the "never hit a woman!!!!" soapbox mumbo jumbo.

[KingBeasley08]

I disagree with the first and agree with the second. You should never get to the point in a relationship where you're regularly being provoked to strike a woman. You should have already left. However if a woman hits you? There is absolutely no obligation for a man to sit there and be a punching bag.


What if you're a 6'4 beefy dude and some 5'8 scrawny dude comes up pushing you and swinging? You're supposed to just "take" abuse from someone because theirs isn't as dangerous as yours? It's ok to hit a smaller guy but it's not okay to hit a woman?

That bullshit in my book. Do unto others as you would have done to you. If a woman calls you a name, you can call her a name. If she slaps you open hand, you can return an open hand. If she's flat out trying to sock you hard with a fist, that is a flat out initiation of a fight. No man is obligated to sit and take it. Why?? Says who??? Do what you feel is necessary to defend yourself. Don't be a fukcing sucker just because a bunch of white knights out there preach the "never hit a woman!!!!" soapbox mumbo jumbo.
word. my pop told me to never hit a lady but if a girl isn't gonna act like a lady, don't treat em like one

[Akrazotile]

:oldlol: @ dudes in here defending a 200 lb professional athlete who gets hit by 300-lbs professional athletes daily, throwing a Pacquiao left hook at a 100 lb woman.

You mean to tell me that was his only available recourse in that situation? Really? He benches and squats 4-5X what she weighs, literally. But knocking her out cold and possibly paralyzing, killing her was the right way to handle that?

Seriously?


For me, it's all about who starts it.


In that video, you could see him spit right in her face the moment she walks by in the lobby. It's like wtf??? She responds with a very light backhanded slap after being blatantly spit on. They get in the elevator and again he hocks a loogie right in her face. wtf??? So of course she goes after him and then he just wails on her. In that instance, he was clearly the instigator the whole time and was way out of line for swinging a fist at a woman he provoked into a reaction.


But in other scenarios, like if a man and a woman are arguing and the woman is like "where you been at huh?? its 11:30, where you been at???" at the man is just like "leave me alone, shut up, just get away from me" and the woman strikes him? Go ahead and strike back. Dudes do not have to be punching bags just because they're bigger. But again if you're spitting aggressively in a chicks face and then you throw a haymaker at her when she reacts, that's clearly the guy's fault.


At the end of the day, they're both behaving like animals. I don't really give much of a fukc about either of them personally. Let them be miserable ever after together in holy matrimony for all I care. The NFL won't miss him/them.

[KNOW1EDGE]

word. my pop told me to never hit a lady but if a girl isn't gonna act like a lady, don't treat em like one

Yup. I'm gonna do everything I can to avoid putting my hands on a woman. And i dont let my emotions get the best of me. If a girl can get under my skin you can bet I'm not gonna be hanging around her.

But if a girl comes at me and is swinging I'm gonna restrain her with the least amount of force possible.

[Sarcastic]

:oldlol: @ dudes in here defending a 200 lb professional athlete who gets hit by 300-lbs professional athletes daily, throwing a Pacquiao left hook at a 100 lb woman.

You mean to tell me that was his only available recourse in that situation? Really? He benches and squats 4-5X what she weighs, literally. But knocking her out cold and possibly paralyzing, killing her was the right way to handle that?

Seriously?

No, but he doesn't deserve to lose his career over it.

[KNOW1EDGE]

No, but he doesn't deserve to lose his career over it.

I agree with this. His personal life has nothing to do with his career and I find it absurd that his employer has the right to punish him for something non work related

[Charlie Sheen]

Plax and Vick were brought back into the NFL What makes you so sure Rice lost his career?

[Sarcastic]

Plax and Vick were brought back into the NFL What makes you so sure Rice lost his career?

Were they both suspended indefinitely? I don't remember. Also the shelf life of a running back is the amongst the shortest in the NFL. A comeback will be nearly impossible.

[Godzuki]

Plax and Vick were brought back into the NFL What makes you so sure Rice lost his career?


plax and vick were more uniquely special at their positions than Rice. not to say Rice isn't good but RB's with talent come out of the woodwork every year.

[2LeTTeRS]

Jay-Z did what you're supposed to do...RR should have taken notes from himhttp://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/2815133/jay-z-slap-girl-o.gif

[Charlie Sheen]

Were they both suspended indefinitely? I don't remember. Also the shelf life of a running back is the amongst the shortest in the NFL. A comeback will be nearly impossible.

Ricky Williams did it tho.

Indefinitely is kinda curious. Goodell is scrambling. He should've just came out and said 1 year and he can apply for reinstatement.

[oarabbus]

I agree with this. His personal life has nothing to do with his career and I find it absurd that his employer has the right to punish him for something non work related

Come on man that's a joke. Every employer can decide not to employ you if you are abusive to your home life, a drug user, etc.

[Sarcastic]

Come on man that's a joke. Every employer can decide not to employ you if you are abusive to your home life, a drug user, etc.

The NFL is not like any other employer due to the anti trust laws, and there being no other legitimate option to play football in the US. It's the reason they allow murderers, and other criminals to play.

Ray Rice will likely be able to sue, and likely win if he isn't reinstated.

[MMM]

The same people that always bring up self defense in these situations have no clue what self defense means.

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhH08vfFKdPi49bAHO

Apparently that is considered self defense to these posters

[chosen_one6]

The NFL is not like any other employer due to the anti trust laws, and there being no other legitimate option to play football in the US. It's the reason they allow murderers, and other criminals to play.

Ray Rice will likely be able to sue, and likely win if he isn't reinstated.

They just put in a new policy against domestic violence. So it's not out of the realm of a lifetime suspension considering dude lied to everyone about what happened. I think that's a pretty big offense, especially when you're a public figure

[Godzuki]

The same people that always bring up self defense in these situations have no clue what self defense means.

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhH08vfFKdPi49bAHO

Apparently that is considered self defense to these posters


i give them credit for at least bucking the wave of politically correct white knights, and finally sticking up for men for once....since nobody else is.

even if this incident shows a lot of guilt, some people are at least willing to play the bad guy to stand up against the hypocrisies of the feminism movement. laying hands on people should be equally guilty.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I haven't heard a single person claim that the victim bares no responsibility for what took place that night. The victim herself has already come out and apologized and took ownership for what she did. This thread is not about her, it's about Ray Rice and his punishment.

He committed a crime. Being in tune with reality doesn't make someone a white knight.

[G-train]

I don't follow NFL, but this guy should go to jail and be suspended from NFL for at least a couple of years.

[G-train]

and there being no other legitimate option to play football in the US.

He should have thought about that in the elevator.

[Nick Young]

NO ONE deserves to be hit or struck.

But was she not the one who threw the first blows, and who was charging at him violently before he threw the punch?

:confusedshrug:

[christian1923]

I don't follow NFL, but this guy should go to jail and be suspended from NFL for at least a couple of years.
So if you hurt a girl should you be suspended from your job for years too??

Get your head outta your ass

[L.Kizzle]

NO ONE deserves to be hit or struck.

But was she not the one who threw the first blows, and who was charging at him violently before he threw the punch?

:confusedshrug:
Was she going to hurt him?

He should have dodged like he does when huge linemen come his way.

[tpols]

How is this any kind of response to what I said haha

Its pathetic that they only released him when there was a public outcry. They should have released him right away for being a violent criminal garbage human being...

It's the same as the sterling thing.. nobody really cares if this type of stuff goes on so long as it's not released to the public. Ray Lewis and his buddies cut a couple guys to pieces and he's a hero still

[Godzuki]

No they don't dum dum!

Christ this thread is offensively stupid


damn something smells liike fish

must be that poohsee between your legs.

[Godzuki]

Good one dum dum


do u douche? just curious :confusedshrug:

[KNOW1EDGE]

I think he should be punished accordingly by the law.

His personal life has nothing to do with his career. I can understand why people would want him out of the NFL. But I think if he were to serve his time in jail he should be allowed to return like Mike Vick.

[G-train]

So if you hurt a girl should you be suspended from your job for years too??

Get your head outta your ass

Depends on my job. Get in the real world.

[DonDadda59]

Ike Turner approves of this thread. :applause:

http://www.djcre8.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/iketurnermeme7-300x300.jpg

[dude77]

the ideal response would've been to grab her and put her in a bear hug until the rage subsides ..

unfortunate incident but they did end up getting married and the charges were dropped .. what if he never touches her again after this ? ..

bit extreme to take away his livelihood and ban him indefnitely .. should've been suspended for the rest of the year and that's that

[oh the horror]

Their response again was for business purposes.



Let's face it, the nfl didn't give a shit before this last video was released.




The uproar will die down and dude will be back

[ThePhantomCreep]

NO ONE deserves to be hit or struck.

But was she not the one who threw the first blows, and who was charging at him violently before he threw the punch?

:confusedshrug:

Yeah, she charged at him violently dude. Good description. I think she was going for a two-leg takedown, ground and pound :rolleyes: .

[Batz]

Just came in to post this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsIs-6Fq7GY



Carry on.

[Akrazotile]

Ricky Williams did it tho.

Indefinitely is kinda curious. Goodell is scrambling. He should've just came out and said 1 year and he can apply for reinstatement.


Well, Ricky was a phenom. Rice was a decent back behind a good line. He and Flacco both got way overpaid thanks to the five guys up front who do the dirty work. Such is the NFL today.

[bdreason]

I find it interesting that the Casino doesn't share any liability in this case. The Casino obviously had footage of a violent assault taking place, and even when charges were filed against Rice, they didn't feel compelled to provide the police with evidence of the assault?


I guarantee you if they had tape of someone stealing from their Casino they would have provided the police with that evidence.

[oarabbus]

NO ONE deserves to be hit or struck.

But was she not the one who threw the first blows, and who was charging at him violently before he threw the punch?

:confusedshrug:


Damn, that fear when a 120lb woman comes charging at a 215lb running back. He must have been terrified.

[32jazz]

I agree with Nick when a dude is in danger. If a chick is trying to kill me, I'm gonna knock her the fck out. But in this video, Rice was isn't in any danger at all and threw a punch out of anger. That's fcked up


Not only that Rice was the instigator & according to the AP there is a :

"Longer Ray Rice video with audio which shows spitting & obscenities"

It seems like I'm the only person who saw or pointed out that it seems Ray Rice disgustingly spat at Janay on 2 occasions in that video. The 1st time he spat at her outside the elevator when she meekly swats at him in the hall(because she was spat on).

The 2nd time inside the elevator Rice stands in her space menacing her & spat at her again then strikes her the 1st time when she reacts. When she lunges he hits her the 2nd time & knocks her out.

I agree that this is nonsense with the never ever hitting a woman stuff , but this was not one of the cases & the force was disgustingly disproportionate.

[~primetime~]

It's not really about "never hit a woman" it's about never hit another human where you have significant dominance physically speaking.

if a 12 year old boy attacks you? don't punch him, you don't need to

if a 100lb male dwarf attacks you? don't punch him, you don't need to

if Brittney Griner attacks you? maybe you need to punch back in that situation, idk...that elevator video would look a lot different lol

[32jazz]

If a woman fcks with you then walk away....

If you can't walk away then hold her down...I've done that before

no reason to ever hit a woman, even if they hit you...

..

"No reason to ever hit a woman"? That's extreme so I must use an extreme example.


Travis Alexander was probably of this same mindset when Jodie Arias murdered him as he was stabbed 30 times , but she did not obtain once scratch when he should have been fighting tooth /nail for his life.

He unsuccessfully tried holding her as the defensive wounds prove & then ran & hid in the bathroom as you suggested & that's were his corpse was found cowering in the toilet.

Instead of going Hollywood action hero & trying to 'disarm her' or believing he was some Krav Maga expert Alexander should have knocked her the F out. By any means necessary.


He should have found the nearest object(chair, Lamp,etc...) & caved Arias' damn skull in , but he was probably steadfast in his beliefs & taught this nonsense: "Travis you never ever hit a woman". Bull.


This type of thinking & women getting away with this stuff in some circles emboldens them as they come from a backgrounds where 'men never hit women'. So she is 99.999999% sure that guy in the street she doesn't know may not hit her if she spits on him, kicks or punches him.

That's fine if you believe men should never hit women ,but warn women in your life that all men don't live by this code & will knock her or ANYONE(man or woman) the freak out if they are attacked.

[tpols]

It's not really about "never hit a woman" it's about never hit another human where you have significant dominance physically speaking.

if a 12 year old boy attacks you? don't punch him, you don't need to

if a 100lb male dwarf attacks you? don't punch him, you don't need to

if Brittney Griner attacks you? maybe you need to punch back in that situation, idk...that elevator video would look a lot different lol

If a normal 160 lb guy attacked ray rice in the elkevator he wouldve met the same fate.. prolly worse actually because rice mightve hit him more than once.. and nobody wouldve cared lol.. same disadvantage.. any normal sized person would be at a huge disadvantage so they probably should think twice.

[~primetime~]

"No reason to ever hit a woman"? That's extreme so I must use an extreme example.


Travis Alexander was probably of this same mindset when Jodie Arias murdered him as he was stabbed 30 times , but she did not obtain once scratch when he should have been fighting tooth /nail for his life.

He unsuccessfully tried holding her as the defensive wounds prove & then ran & hid in the bathroom as you suggested & that's were his corpse was found cowering in the toilet.

Instead of going Hollywood action hero & trying to 'disarm her' or believing he was some Krav Maga expert Alexander should have knocked her the F out. By any means necessary.


He should have found the nearest object(chair, Lamp,etc...) & caved Arias' damn skull in , but he was probably steadfast in his beliefs & taught this nonsense: "Travis you never ever hit a woman". Bull.


This type of thinking & women getting away with this stuff in some circles emboldens them as they come from a backgrounds where 'men never hit women'. So she is 99.999999% sure that guy in the street she doesn't know may not hit her if she spits on him, kicks or punches him.

That's fine if you believe men should never hit women ,but warn women in your life that all men don't live by this code & will knock her or ANYONE(man or woman) the freak out if they are attacked.
obviously there are examples where "hitting a woman" was necessary

[32jazz]

It's not really about "never hit a woman" it's about never hit another human where you have significant dominance physically speaking.

if a 12 year old boy attacks you? don't punch him, you don't need to

if a 100lb male dwarf attacks you? don't punch him, you don't need to

if Brittney Griner attacks you? maybe you need to punch back in that situation, idk...that elevator video would look a lot different lol

My bad I misunderstood your 'never hit a woman' quote. Disregard my extreme Jodie Arias example:facepalm

Ray Rice was the instigator as it seems he spat on her twice & what he did was absolutely appalling & disproportionate.. No Excuse.No explaining away what he did.


We are gonna have this same conversation again on November 1st when Oklahoma running back Joe Mixon video (breaking that coeds face in 4 places) becomes public..

I believe at worst he had a right to shove her after she allegedly spit at him , shoved & slapped him in the face , but a close fist round house is inexcusable.. She wasn't charged for the initial assault ,but Mixon was.


I just can't subscribe to this notion that women should be able to approach a man spit, hit & or kick (assault ) him & the guy should just "take it like a man":no:


Punching with closed fist stuff & pummeling a woman is uncalled for outside extreme cases(Arias ) with weapons or something.

[~primetime~]

If a normal 160 lb guy attacked ray rice in the elkevator he wouldve met the same fate.. prolly worse actually because rice mightve hit him more than once.. and nobody wouldve cared lol.. same disadvantage.. any normal sized person would be at a huge disadvantage so they probably should think twice.
That is true, but 160lbs really isn't small...but lets say a 120lb 14 year old boy the same weight as Janay attacked RR and RR knocked him out against the railing the same way...RR would probably be seeing jail time

[Godzuki]

its really messed up to me how media outrage over the video can wreck someones whole life so much. there will be domestic violence incidents much worse than this and much morre horrible people doing it with nowhere near this outrage, bet on that.

his wife is completely right. nobody is in her shoes. they don't know them at all. she's past it and they've moved on but the public is making her whole family and especially her pay a 100x's over for it. they have kids too. the public these days are out of control with the social media justice its so fukked up, and its so pick and choose, based on such political correctness.

so many people on soap boxes right now, can't stand reading these 'domestic abuse experts' yap like she doesn't know what she's saying :facepalm ....just typical world of stupid people to me.

[KNOW1EDGE]

He needs to serve time in jail and then be free to return to the NFL.

He spit in someone's face twice and then knocked that person out.

If I did that to a cop I'd go to prison and be a convicted felon.

But in our corrupt society Ray Rice is above the law because he is good at football and makes a lot of people money. And the well-being of Police is more important than the well-being of women. :bowdown:

[~primetime~]

It's not about what some dumb cvnt wants. Make an example of that scum
http://socialfresh.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/snoop-nod-yes.gif

[32jazz]

He needs to serve time in jail and then be free to return to the NFL.

He spit in someone's face twice and then knocked that person out.

If I did that to a cop I'd go to prison and be a convicted felon.

But in our corrupt society Ray Rice is above the law because he is good at football and makes a lot of people money. And the well-being of Police is more important than the well-being of women. :bowdown:

Agree. I'm actually just as disturbed by that vile disgusting Ray Rice spititting twice in the face of someone he claims to love as I am his striking her. Janay did nothing wrong other than reacting to being spat on/slapped.

In order for you to spit in another humans face(outside of some kinky sex) there must be a deep seated hatred for that person. If you despise /hate someone or they disgust you enough to spit in their face you should not be with them. If that were my sister of daughter I would be upset that she thinks a man who spits in her face loves her. A shove or slap can be reactionary/reflexive ,but spitting is something deep & visceral .


1) She emerges from stairs & Ray spits in her face. She meekly swats in defense.

2) She tries to ignore him in the elevator , but he gets in her space menacingly then spits in her face Again & then slaps her.

3) She finally lunges after being spit in her face twice & slapped & Ray check hooks her (knocks her unconscious). Then he callously drags her around
& kicks her around like a sack of potatoes.

Anyone trying to explain that away or defend Ray Rice should be ashamed.

I can forgive someone for striking me ,but spitting in my face several times is too visceral for me to ever forget.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

She started the physical violence. He responded to an elbow by pushing her away and backing away. Then she charges him.

What is he allowed to do in this situation to protect himself without it being considered assault on his part? If genders were reversed, and she had KOed Ray Rice after he rushed her, would the response have been considered self defense?
She wasn't doing no harm. You stand there like a man and take it. If you don't like the situation, you leave her. Simple as that.

[dude77]

there really is no getting around this one .. lets face it .. she wasn't any threat to him at all and he knew it .. he wasn't hitting her in self defense .. he was hitting her out of anger over something .. I mean, the guy preluded it by spitting on her face .. he was pissed about something ..

and I like how no one is concerned with the fact that he's spitting on his gf and punching her in the face with a closed fist .. then dragging her like a sack of garbage and not checking to see if she's ok after he's just knocked her out .. no lets focus on how he was 'defending himself' lol .. defending himself from what ? .. this wasn't some thug robbing him .. it's his fkn gf/mother of his child ..

hopefully for his sake, he doesn't do this on a regular basis given that they're married now and he has a family

[christian1923]

Pac man jones hit a chick on camera last year. How come he never got in trouble for that?

[dude77]

Pac man jones hit a chick on camera last year. How come he never got in trouble for that?

ah you're right .. good question .. and why wasn't a big deal made out of that one

http://deadspin.com/here-is-video-of-the-latest-pacman-jones-incident-512380169

[~primetime~]

ah you're right .. good question .. and why wasn't a big deal made out of that one

http://deadspin.com/here-is-video-of-the-latest-pacman-jones-incident-512380169

This incident is pretty confusing and no one got KOed while the RR video isn't the least bit confusing and honestly he is lucky his wife didn't suffer a much more serious injury.

[hateraid]

its really messed up to me how media outrage over the video can wreck someones whole life so much. there will be domestic violence incidents much worse than this and much morre horrible people doing it with nowhere near this outrage, bet on that.

his wife is completely right. nobody is in her shoes. they don't know them at all. she's past it and they've moved on but the public is making her whole family and especially her pay a 100x's over for it. they have kids too. the public these days are out of control with the social media justice its so fukked up, and its so pick and choose, based on such political correctness.

so many people on soap boxes right now, can't stand reading these 'domestic abuse experts' yap like she doesn't know what she's saying :facepalm ....just typical world of stupid people to me.

Absolutely. I just into it with friends how I thought it was incredibly admirable to forgive him. They were all like "naw, she is doing it out of fear."
That just seems so suspect

[christian1923]

This incident is pretty confusing and no one got KOed while the RR video isn't the least bit confusing and honestly he is lucky his wife didn't suffer a much more serious injury.
True but it's still a video or him swinging at a women. And with his past history it's weird nothing was made of that

[MavsSuperFan]

ray rice is done, by the time this situation is no longer a hot topic and he is touchable by NFL teams, he will be too old to play RB. RBs after 30 suck. His 2013 season already sucked.

[L.Kizzle]

So apparently Rihanna was supposed to perform tonight at the opening before the game begin. What genius put that together.