for those who value mvps over rings

[kennethgriffin]

lets look at the last 16 years and who represented the finals from the west ( I.E. the NBA champs already crowned cause the East SUCKS D*CK )


1999 - Duncan
2000 - Kobe
2001 - Kobe
2002 - Kobe
2003 - Duncan
2004 - Kobe
2005 - Duncan
2006 - Dirk
2007 - Duncan
2008 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2010 - Kobe
2011 - Dirk
2012 - Durant
2013 - Duncan
2014 - Duncan


now obviously there were some of the worst screw jobs that gave the east a BULLSH*T title. like in 2007 and 2013

so overall the west has a legit 13 of the last 16 titles




now... how many names are there?


4


now lets look at who's won league MVP since 1999

and i'l highlight the guys who won a title that season

1999 - Malone
2000 - Shaq
2001 - Iverson
2002 - Duncan
2003 - Duncan
2004 - Garnett
2005 - Nash
2006 - Nash
2007 - Dirk
2008 - Kobe
2009 - Lebron
2010 - Lebron
2011 - Rose
2012 - Lebron
2013 - Lebron
2014 - Durant

notice anything wrong?



but forget the point that mvp's are almost never correct

whats clear is that its much much muuuuuuuuuuuuuch more rare to be the best..... than be the MVP

anyone can win mvp


but theres only 2 guys who have respresented the finals nearly every year since 1999

the mvps of the last 15 years are kobe and duncan. but together they only have 3 mvps

figure that one out


all i know is... being the best of the best is allot more rare than being MVP

[dubeta]

Meltdown :roll: :lol


first answer the tony parker/kobe debate before talking about MVPs

[Cocaine80s]

wtf are you even trying to prove?


eat a dick *****

[dubeta]

wtf are you even trying to prove?


eat a dick *****

LOL GOAT avi

[kennethgriffin]

fact is its harder to make the finals/win a title than be named mvp of the league


kobe and duncan have 10 of the last 16 titles

theyve been in 13 of the last 16 finals


but theres been like 11 or 12 different mvps the last 16 years

[dubeta]

fact is its harder to make the finals/win a title than be named mvp of the league


kobe and duncan have 10 of the last 16 titles

theyve been in 13 of the last 16 finals


but theres been like 11 or 12 different mvps the last 16 years

Theres a difference between being the Most Valuable Player in the league, and being on the best team in the league

[uber]

Everybody knows that the MVP Award is first and foremost an media award and after that it's an regular season award which has absolutely nothing to do with the playoffs.

What's the news here?

[hahaitme]

http://i.imgur.com/tmSJ7Fa.jpg

[Smoke117]

Didn't this idiot already make this thread about a week ago? :biggums:

[kennethgriffin]

kobe/shaq/duncan should all have 4-5 mvps each


its pathetic that all 3 guys combined have as many mvps as lebron


kobe 5 rings, 7 finals, 1 mvp
duncan 5 rings, 6 finals 2 mvps
shaq 4 rings, 6 finals 1 mvp

combined - 14 rings, 19 finals, 4 mvps


lebron 1.5 rings, 4.5 finals, 4 mvps

:facepalm

[Cocaine80s]

kobe/shaq/duncan should all have 4-5 mvps each


its pathetic that all 3 guys combined have as many mvps as lebron


kobe 5 rings, 7 finals, 1 mvp
duncan 5 rings, 6 finals 2 mvps
shaq 4 rings, 6 finals 1 mvp

combined - 14 rings, 19 finals, 4 mvps


lebron 1.5 rings, 4.5 finals, 4 mvps

:facepalm
DAMN kobe only has 1 mvp?


:wtf: Seriously reconsidering his spot on my rankings right now

[kennethgriffin]

DAMN kobe only has 1 mvp?


:wtf: Seriously reconsidering his spot on my rankings right now


where does shaq rank

[Cocaine80s]

where does shaq rank
I would have him # 10 but the 3 fmvp bump him up to #8

[BigTicket]

Fisher, Kerr, Harper, Cooper and Horry all have 5+ rings, does that mean they are as good as Duncan and Kobe ?

[sportjames23]

Good thing about being an MJ fan--we don't have to worry about MVPs or rings. We let ya'll young bitches argue over scraps. :oldlol:

[Cocaine80s]

Good thing about being an MJ fan--we don't have to worry about MVPs or rings. We let ya'll young bitches argue over scraps. :oldlol:
good thing about not being a MJ fan

we can actually see our favorite players play :lol

[kennethgriffin]

3 fmvp bump him up to #8

how is that possible. based on your criteria shaq would be 10th

since you don't value rings. but only mvps/finals mvps combined ( and season mvps being worth more



jordan = 6 and 5
kareem = 6 and 2
magic = 3 and 3
lebron 4 and 2
bird = 3 and 2
wilt = 4 and 1
russell = 5 and 0
duncan = 2 and 3
moses = 3 and 1



shaq = 1 and 3


notice anything wrong with your formula?


there isnt a single educated mind on planet earth that has moses over shaq/kobe/oscar/hakeem etc...

just your criteria

[Cocaine80s]

how is that possible. based on your criteria shaq would be 10th

since you don't value rings. but only mvps/finals mvps combined ( and season mvps being worth more



jordan = 6 and 5
kareem = 6 and 2
magic = 3 and 3
lebron 4 and 2
bird = 3 and 2
wilt = 4 and 1
russell = 5 and 0
duncan = 2 and 3
moses = 3 and 1



shaq = 1 and 3


notice anything wrong with your formula?


there isnt a single educated mind on planet earth that has moses over shaq/kobe/oscar/hakeem etc...

just your criteria
I also factor in peak play and career stats. Therefore Kobe is left in the dust

[kennethgriffin]

I also factor in peak play and career stats. Therefore Kobe is left in the dust


no you don't. you already set your criteria. sorry bud

if you factor in other things. then surely you must factor in

total rings
all nba 1st teams
all defensive 1st teams
scoring records
career totals
nba records


or do you only consider what fits your agenda

:lol f*ckin bum.. you don't stand a chance

[dubeta]

Peak play, stats, FMVP + MVP = all time great


MJ, LeBron, Kareem are top 3


Shaq is top 5

[dubeta]

no you don't. you already set your criteria. sorry bud

if you factor in other things. then surely you must factor in

total rings
all nba 1st teams
all defensive 1st teams
scoring records
career totals
nba records


or do you only consider what fits your agenda

:lol f*ckin bum.. you don't stand a chance


Dude, his formula is miles better than yours where basically Tony Parker is considered as good if not better than Kobe

[Cocaine80s]

no you don't. you already set your criteria. sorry bud

if you factor in other things. then surely you must factor in

total rings
all nba 1st teams
all defensive 1st teams
scoring records
career totals
nba records


or do you only consider what fits your agenda

:lol f*ckin bum.. you don't stand a chance
Wtf this isn't ****ing rocket science bro. Nothing is set in stone with the goat formula, I can add whatever I want b.

Stay mad 9er

[Angel Face]

Good thing about being an MJ fan--we don't have to worry about MVPs or rings. We let ya'll young bitches argue over scraps. :oldlol:

:pimp:

[sportjames23]

good thing about not being a MJ fan

we can actually see our favorite players play :lol


I got games recorded, so I can still see my favorite player play. There's also this thing called YouTube. Oh, and NBATV.

This nikka love collecting L's. :oldlol:

[dubeta]

I got games recorded, so I can still see my favorite player play. There's also this thing called YouTube. Oh, and NBATV.

This nikka love collecting L's. :oldlol:


Loool this nikka watches grainy MJ games in his basement and cries himself to sleep cause M '1-9' J don't play anymore :roll: :roll:

[AnaheimLakers24]

I got games recorded, so I can still see my favorite player play. There's also this thing called YouTube. Oh, and NBATV.

This nikka love collecting L's. :oldlol:
literally living in the past. mj is old an no one cares about him. When people buy jordans they dont buy them cause some pedophile gambling maniac played ball.

[Cocaine80s]

I got games recorded, so I can still see my favorite player play. There's also this thing called YouTube. Oh, and NBATV.

This nikka love collecting L's. :oldlol:
nothing compares to seeing your favorite player live :pimp:

[K Xerxes]

Please respond to my post on the other thread explaining how your reasoning allows Kobe to be above 9th on an all time list. Thank you

[kennethgriffin]

Please respond to my post on the other thread explaining how your reasoning allows Kobe to be above 9th on an all time list. Thank you


i did


all i ever said was that everyone in the top 10 has atleast 1 mvp and 2 fmvps ( asside from russell and wilt ofcourse cause they didnt have the fmvps for most of their careers )

so it cant just be a coincidence. i think thats the bar

but it seems everyone ranks guys differently INSIDE the top 10... and dont really look at just mvps or just rings or just fmvps


like kareem has 6 rings but only 2 fmvps.. yet hes ranked as GOAT by some


so naturally i'd assume 2 fmvps is enough. and after that its just about ring count


jesus... stop stalking me weirdo... stick to one thread. quit spamming

i just used ring count as an example... my top 10 changes all the time depending on how i feel that day honestly

[Encre92]

kennethgriffin please go see a doctor.

[Bigsmoke]

kobe/shaq/duncan should all have 4-5 mvps each


its pathetic that all 3 guys combined have as many mvps as lebron


kobe 5 rings, 7 finals, 1 mvp
duncan 5 rings, 6 finals 2 mvps
shaq 4 rings, 6 finals 1 mvp

combined - 14 rings, 19 finals, 4 mvps


lebron 1.5 rings, 4.5 finals, 4 mvps

:facepalm




How Duncan have 5 rings and while LeBron only has 1.5?

1999 = 50 games
2012= 66 games

[riseagainst]

I would have him # 10 but the 3 fmvp bump him up to #8

:biggums:
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[ImKobe]

OP is a ****ing idiot

West won in 2007 you nincompoop