Top 11 Players In NBA History - Ranked

[Nowitness]

Rings (+) Finals MVP (+) MVP

1) Michael Jordan (17)
2) Bill Russell (16)
3) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (14)
4) Magic Johnson (11)
5) Tim Duncan (10)
6) Larry Bird (8)
6) Shaquille O'Neal (8)
6) Kobe Bryant (8)
6) LeBron James (8)
10) Wilt Chamberlain (7)
11) Hakeem Olajuwon (5)

The list people

[riseagainst]

Rings (+) Finals MVP (+) MVP

1) Michael Jordan (17)
2) Bill Russell (16
3) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (14)
4) Magic Johnson (11)
5) Tim Duncan (10)
6) Larry Bird (8)
6) Shaquille O'Neal (8)
6) Kobe Bryant (8)
6) LeBron James (8)
10) Wilt Chamberlain (7)
11) Hakeem Olajuwon (5)

The list people

imagine if they handed out FMVP in the Russell era. 20+ points.

:bowdown:

[Encre92]

imagine if Lebron played with peak Shaq. 20+ points.

:bowdown:

[Nowitness]

imagine if Lebron played with peak Shaq. 20+ points.

:bowdown:

LeBron has been in the league for 11 years, so he'd have 8 rings (mentally incapable of three peating) and 0 MVPs/Finals MVP.

Position would not change.

[riseagainst]

imagine if Lebron played with peak Shaq. 20+ points.

:bowdown:

he would be at 11. Not 20+.

[Nowitness]

he would be at 11. Not 20+.

Refer to the post above you good sir.

[Encre92]

LeBron has been in the league for 11 years, so he'd have 8 rings (mentally incapable of three peating) and 0 MVPs/Finals MVP.

Position would not change.
He'll have the same number of MVPs. 8 rings, 6 FMVPs.

That is 18 points.

[Nowitness]

He'll have the same number of MVPs. 8 rings, 6 FMVPs.

That is 18 points.

With prime Shaq? He didn't even win Finals MVP over prime Wade.

Silly boy. Your imagination really runs wild.

[Encre92]

With prime Shaq? He didn't even win Finals MVP over prime Wade.

Silly boy. Your imagination really runs wild.
WHEN DID HE NOT WIN FMVP OVER PRIME WADE?????

Please. Explain.

[riseagainst]

He'll have the same number of MVPs. 8 rings, 6 FMVPs.

That is 18 points.

no he would not.

Shaq wins FMVPs because he's more dominant, lebron playing 2nd fiddle like he should. He would not win any MVPs because Shaq is more dominant.

But when finals come, Lebron does not want to give up the FMVP so he sabotages the finals like in 2011. 0 rings for Shaq and Lebron.

final score:
Shaq: 2
Lebron: 6 to 8, assuming he eventually still runs to Miami. Prior to Miami: 0 rings, 0 fmvps, half a dozen sabotages.

[Nowitness]

WHEN DID HE NOT WIN FMVP OVER PRIME WADE?????

Please. Explain.

2011, last year of Wade's prime. You don't remember san?

[Encre92]

2011, last year of Wade's prime. You don't remember san?
They didn't win the chip. So Wade didn't win FMVP either.

Don't say Lebron can't win FMVP over Wade.

[Nowitness]

They didn't win the chip. So Wade didn't win FMVP either.

Don't say Lebron can't win FMVP over Wade.

LeBron played with prime D. Wade and couldnt win Finals MVP.

For comparison...Magic won over prime Kareem. Kareem won over prime Magic. Shaq won over prime Kobe. Duncan won over prime Robinson. Bird won over prime McHale. Hakeem won over prime Drexler

Kobe and LeBron...forever 9 and 10. :applause:

[JT123]

LeBron played with prime D. Wade and couldnt win Finals MVP.

For comparison...Magic won over prime Kareem. Kareem won over prime Magic. Shaq won over prime Kobe. Duncan won over prime Robinson. Bird won over prime McHale. Hakeem won over prime Drexler

Kobe and LeBron...forever 9 and 10. :applause:
:facepalm

[Nowitness]

:facepalm

What do you mean san?

[kennethgriffin]

imagine if they handed out MVP's to kobe without having a top 7 record like jordan in 1988. 4+ mvps

:bowdown:




btw


a ring by a guy averaging 20+ points, 10+ assists or as defensive leader is worth more than a season mvp award

ask iverson, ask nash, ask rose if theyed all trade in their mvps that season to get a title averaging those same numbers

iverson with a title averaging 30+ppg = worthy of a top 25-30 spot all time

as it stands hes somewhere around top 40-45

nash with a title averaging 10+ apg = top 30-35 all time

as it stands hes somewhere around top 40-45

rose is NOT a hall of famer right now with just a media award

but if rose had a title averaging 25ppg. he'd be much closer to making it



sure an mvp is worth more than a role player ring

sure an mvp is worth more than a 2nd rate star ring

but an mvp is NOT worth more than a corner stone 25-30ppg ring... regardless of whether or not a team mate was also averaging 25-30


this is why kobes 5 rings and 1 mvp are worth more than if kobe had 6 mvps and no rings




6 mvps and NO RINGS does NOT crack the top 10 all time


5 mvps and 1 ring does NOT crack the top 10 all time

but guess what? if a guy has 4 mvps and 2 rings. suddenly he looks better than hakeem


know why? winning means more than being told youre good by bill simmons and whoever else votes for these meaningless popularity contests

[riseagainst]

imagine if they handed out MVP's to kobe without having a top 7 record like jordan in 1988. 4+ mvps

:bowdown:




btw


a ring by a guy averaging 20+ points, 10+ assists or as defensive leader is worth more than a season mvp award

ask iverson, ask nash, ask rose if theyed all trade in their mvps that season to get a title averaging those same numbers

iverson with a title averaging 30+ppg = worthy of a top 25-30 spot all time

as it stands hes somewhere around top 40-45

nash with a title averaging 10+ apg = top 30-35 all time

as it stands hes somewhere around top 40-45

rose is NOT a hall of famer right now with just a media award

but if rose had a title averaging 25ppg. he'd be much closer to making it



sure an mvp is worth more than a role player ring

sure an mvp is worth more than a 2nd rate star ring

but an mvp is NOT worth more than a corner stone 25-30ppg ring... regardless of whether or not a team mate was also averaging 25-30


this is why kobes 5 rings and 1 mvp are worth more than if kobe had 6 mvps and no rings




6 mvps and NO RINGS does NOT crack the top 10 all time


5 mvps and 1 ring does NOT crack the top 10 all time

but guess what? if a guy has 4 mvps and 2 rings. suddenly he looks better than hakeem


know why? winning means more than being told youre good by bill simmons and whoever else votes for these meaningless popularity contests

dam dude... you are putting way too much thought into this. And most of your measurements are arbitrary. Like why 20 and 10? so does that mean 22 and 9 does not meet the requirement?

[SouBeachTalents]

If they had handed out Finals MVP's in Russell's day, he'd be the clear goat with something like 23 points, blowing away Jordan

[kennethgriffin]

dam dude... you are putting way too much thought into this. And most of your measurements are arbitrary. Like why 20 and 10? so does that mean 22 and 9 does not meet the requirement?

you know exactly what i mean

basically a ring with great stats that puts your name in the history books is better than winning a season mvp and retiring ringless

i'm sure barkley would trade in his 1993 mvp for an nba finals win against jordan and finals mvp over the goat while barkley puts up legendary stats

that would be way more impressive IMO

[dubeta]

you know exactly what i mean

basically a ring with great stats that puts your name in the history books is better than winning a season mvp and retiring ringless

i'm sure barkley would trade in his 1993 mvp for an nba finals win against jordan and finals mvp over the goat while barkley puts up legendary stats

that would be way more impressive IMO


Winning the ring as the clear cut best player is much more important

LeBron did that twice (2012, 2013)


Kobe did that once (2009)

[riseagainst]

Winning the ring as the clear cut best player is much more important

LeBron did that twice (2012, 2013)


Kobe did that once (2009)

why isn't Kobe the clear cut best player in 2010?

[ballinhun8]

why isn't Kobe the clear cut best player in 2010?


Think about who you're asking that.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Shitty thread, but pretty good list by OP. It's very close to my top 10

[kennethgriffin]

i think winning a ring as a corner stone even without fmvp is still more valuable than a league mvp

kobe has 5 rings in which he had

21/5/5 playoffs - 2000 ( saving the WCF game 7, nba finals game 4 )
29/7/6 playoffs - 2001 ( mvp vs leagues next best team )
27/6/5 playoffs - 2002 ( mvp vs leagues next best team )
29/6/5 playoffs - 2009 ( averaging 10 more ppg than gasol )
29/6/5 playoffs - 2010 ( averaging 10 more ppg thangasol )


take away all this stuff and none of those teams come close to winning a title



i'm positive steve nash would rather have any 1 of these 5 situations on his resume than either one of those bogus espn nominations


trust me. retiring ringless sucks.. but going down as a hall of famer and a champion that played a huge hand in a ring... thats worth saying something about

[dubeta]

why isn't Kobe the clear cut best player in 2010?

http://i2.wp.com/www.sheridanhoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Pau-Gasol.jpg


Leader in win shares, and player efficiency rating.

21/11 on 51% fg

[kennethgriffin]

http://i2.wp.com/www.sheridanhoops.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Pau-Gasol.jpg


Leader in win shares, and player efficiency rating.

21/11 on 51% fg

1st of all

you're an idiot

2nd of all


you're such an idiot


but most importantly


kobe averaged 29ppg/8rpg/4apg/2spg in the 2010 finals

and kobe got to the line 9 times a game and shot nearly 90% ft's... so his output was efficient regardless

he held ray allen, paul pierce to a combine 8 for 29 in game 7

kobe had 15 rebounds

and all series gasol played off kobes double teams



its like saying byron scott was better than magic if he had a more efficient shooting night


well where do you think byron scotts points came from??????????


:facepalm

[dubeta]

1st of all

you're an idiot

2nd of all


you're such an idiot


but most importantly


kobe averaged 29ppg/8rpg/4apg/2spg in the 2010 finals

and kobe got to the line 9 times a game and shot nearly 90% ft's... so his output was efficient regardless

he held ray allen, paul pierce to a combine 8 for 29 in game 7

kobe had 15 rebounds

and all series gasol played off kobes double teams



its like saying byron scott was better than magic if he had a more efficient shooting night


well where do you think byron scotts points came from??????????




:facepalm


How did Gasol lead in win shares then?

21/11 on 51% shooting > 8 more ppg on 40% shooting

Most people would agree with this

[BoutPractice]

I have no problem with this list. I do have a problem with its justification...

[Encre92]

1st of all

you're an idiot

2nd of all


you're such an idiot


but most importantly


kobe averaged 29ppg/8rpg/4apg/2spg in the 2010 finals

and kobe got to the line 9 times a game and shot nearly 90% ft's... so his output was efficient regardless

he held ray allen, paul pierce to a combine 8 for 29 in game 7

kobe had 15 rebounds

and all series gasol played off kobes double teams



its like saying byron scott was better than magic if he had a more efficient shooting night


well where do you think byron scotts points came from??????????


:facepalm
Props to JT123 for this:

http://i.imgur.com/4e9Jgjq.png

[ballinhun8]

Advanced stats are the end all be all to every argument...... Said no one ever

[Beastmode88]

Props to JT123 for this:

http://i.imgur.com/4e9Jgjq.png

Kobe got beat by Dirk. Lebron got beat my Jason Terry.

[BoutPractice]

By the way, I take it Tony Parker is tied with Hakeem Olajuwon?

4 titles, 1 FMVP = 5 points. Had he played a bit better in this year's Finals, he would've only had one point less than Wilt Chamberlain.

Oh, and I forgot. John Havlicek is the sixth best player of all time (and that's missing another FMVP he would have had.)

Both players were top 5 in MVP voting multiple times, so the Fisher or Horry counterargument doesn't work.

[ImKobe]

Rings (+) Finals MVP (+) MVP

1) Michael Jordan (17)
2) Bill Russell (16)
3) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (14)
4) Magic Johnson (11)
5) Tim Duncan (10)
6) Larry Bird (8)
6) Shaquille O'Neal (8)
6) Kobe Bryant (8)
6) LeBron James (8)
10) Wilt Chamberlain (7)
11) Hakeem Olajuwon (5)

The list people

Where Robert Horry at bro :no:

[SouBeachTalents]

By the way, I take it Tony Parker is tied with Hakeem Olajuwon?

4 titles, 1 FMVP = 5 points. Had he played a bit better in this year's Finals, he would've only had one point less than Wilt Chamberlain.

Oh, and I forgot. John Havlicek is the sixth best player of all time (and that's missing another FMVP he would have had.)

Both players were top 5 in MVP voting multiple times, so the Fisher or Horry counterargument doesn't work.

Plus Willis Reed would be a top 12 GOAT

[Nowitness]

By the way, I take it Tony Parker is tied with Hakeem Olajuwon?

4 titles, 1 FMVP = 5 points. Had he played a bit better in this year's Finals, he would've only had one point less than Wilt Chamberlain.

Oh, and I forgot. John Havlicek is the sixth best player of all time (and that's missing another FMVP he would have had.)

Both players were top 5 in MVP voting multiple times, so the Fisher or Horry counterargument doesn't work.

As if a player who never won an MVP would be considered.

Get the fck out with that weak shit.

Top 5 in voting. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Nowitness]

This is the ranking of the established top 11 players.

Willis Reed and Tony Parker aren't considered top 11, so are not eligible.